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<h1>– DRAFT –<br>
Web and TV IG - Media APIs TF</h1>
<h2>02 April 2014</h2>
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<dt>Present</dt><dd>Alexander, Bin, Daniel, Giri, Kaz, Wook</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt><dd>-</dd>
<dt>Chair</dt><dd>-</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt><dd>Daniel, ddavis</dd>
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<li><a href="#9436">Media APIs requirements</a></li>
<li><a href="#44b7">2nd iteration of use-cases/requirements</a></li>
<li><a href="#113b">Possible "Tuner API" CG</a></li>
<li class=app><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of action items</a></li>
<li class=app><a href="#ResolutionSummary">Summary of resolutions</a></li>
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<h2>Meeting minutes</h2>
<section><p id=9f3d class=irc><cite><aldafu></cite> aldafu=alex</p>
<p id=9404 class=irc><cite><Bin_Hu></cite> Hi, sorry I am late</p>
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<p id=9b77 class="phone s01"><cite>Kaz:</cite> There's been a problem with the tracker (access is blocked). The sysadmins are looking into it but it's not fixed yet.</p>
<p id=70fb class=irc><cite><kaz></cite> <a href="http://www.w3.org/2014/02/19-webtv-minutes.html">Feb. 19 minutes</a></p>
<p id=ffff class="phone s01"><cite>kaz:</cite> We can try to look at the action items recorded in the Feb 19 call minutes.</p>
<p id=cd98 class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> We can close issue 187</p>
<p id=d8f8 class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> Next is issue 189 - accessibility guidelines. This is also closed as I added a general requirement</p>
<p id=4792 class="phone s01"><cite>kaz:</cite> Daniel and I had actions to create wiki pages.</p>
<p id=a8c9 class="phone s01"><cite>kaz:</cite> Maybe mine was 184 and Daniel's was 185</p>
<p id=23b1 class=irc><cite><aldafu></cite> <a href="http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/open">http://<wbr>www.w3.org/<wbr>2011/<wbr>webtv/<wbr>track/<wbr>actions/<wbr>open</a></p>
<p id=0202 class="phone s03"><cite>aldafu:</cite> I can see the action items.</p>
<p id=8a27 class="phone s04"><cite>ddavis:</cite> It's visible if you log out (or open in another browser)</p>
<p id=2bf4 class=irc><cite><kaz></cite> [ interesting situation... ]</p>
<p id=f843 class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> Issue 182: Discuss with jc, bin about the details of how to create the cg</p>
<p id=64df class="phone s01"><cite>kaz:</cite> We discussed this and we can go ahead by proposing a new community group (CG)</p>
<p id=0829 class="phone s01"><cite>kaz:</cite> The question is who would be the chair and what would be the name of the group</p>
<p id=e616 class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> Can we close it?</p>
<p id=9f3a class=irc><cite><kaz></cite> close action 182</p>
<p id=817a class=irc><cite><kaz></cite> close action-182</p>
<p id=5de1 class=bot><cite><trackbot></cite> Error closing: could not connect to Tracker. Please mail <[email protected]> with details about what happened.</p>
<p id=0cf0 class=irc><cite><kaz></cite> [ we'll close action 182, 184, 185, 187, 189 later ]</p>
<p id=c9cd class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> Outstanding issues are 186 and 188 which are assigned to Giuseppe (not here) so we'll leave these open.</p>
<p id=585a class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> So the wiki page Kaz created is just a place holder? No input or use cases yet?</p>
<p id=ce78 class=irc><cite><kaz></cite> <a href="https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/New_Ideas">new idea wiki</a></p>
<p id=3ce3 class="phone s01"><cite>kaz:</cite> right. I thought we could add one topic - audio fingerprinting - which was discussed on the mailing list a while ago.</p>
<p id=e85f class="phone s01"><cite>kaz:</cite> The page itself is a placeholder and I've added a template.</p>
<p id=498a class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> Is this a standalone page?</p>
<p id=b3aa class="phone s01"><cite>kaz:</cite> It's linked from the main page.</p>
<p id=5276 class="phone s01"><cite>kaz:</cite> If you prefer, I can link to it from the Media TF page.</p>
<p id=3bbf class=summary><a href="https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs/Tuner_API">https://<wbr>www.w3.org/<wbr>2011/<wbr>webtv/<wbr>wiki/<wbr>Media_APIs/<wbr>Tuner_API</a></p>
<p id=725d class="phone s04"><cite>ddavis:</cite> This page is linked to from the Media APIs TF page.</p>
<p id=5043 class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> Let's leave it there for now.</p>
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<h3 id=9436>Media APIs requirements</h3>
<p id=c782 class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> Next is to look at and approve the gap analysis note.</p>
<p id=82bc class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> I asked Giuseppe to create a page which he has done.</p>
<p id=8a25 class=irc><cite><kaz></cite> <a href="http://webandtv.github.io/mediatf-notes/mediareq.html">Media API requirements</a></p>
<p id=2f10 class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> We haven't seen any comments on the mailing list so can we approve this or do we need more time?</p>
<p id=e4e3 class="phone s04"><cite>ddavis:</cite> We did have some feedback a while ago, I think?</p>
<p id=7f6c class="phone s01"><cite>kaz:</cite> Maybe we can record our approval in this call and the see what the remaining people think through mail.</p>
<p id=7f93 class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> Yes, if we approve it then allow another one or two weeks to see if there are further comments by mail.</p>
<p id=6fd9 class="phone s04"><cite>ddavis:</cite> +1</p>
<p id=6056 class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> So I'll write a mail to see what people on the mailing list think.</p>
<p id=1c7c class="phone s04"><cite>ddavis:</cite> Any comments about this note?</p>
<p id=10000 class=resolution><strong>RESOLUTION:</strong> "Requirements from the Media API TF" note approved by meeting attendees.</p>
<p id=da95 class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> So I think we've finished the administrative bits.</p>
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<h3 id=44b7>2nd iteration of use-cases/requirements</h3>
<p id=4a7a class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> In the coming schedule we have the end of this month (April) as the last chance to submit a use-case.</p>
<p id=e951 class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> We have no use-cases so I wonder if the schedule is too tight.</p>
<p id=d5e1 class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> Maybe we can adjust the date from end of April to end of May.<br>
<span id=ba48>… Then we'll have another two conference calls before the end of June to finalise the list.</span></p>
<p id=8cdb class="phone s04"><cite>ddavis:</cite> Maybe we can make it clearer to all people in the TV IG that we're looking for more use cases.</p>
<p id=e24d class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> Yes, the chairs told me they want to make the Media API calls open to more people in the group.</p>
<p id=4033 class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> So we can give more time and higher quality use cases.</p>
<p id=cbf1 class="phone s04"><cite>ddavis:</cite> It might be good to also clarify how to submit use cases (e.g. by email, through a web form, etc.)</p>
<p id=02d2 class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> Ideally people should use the template that Kaz has made.</p>
<p id=d92f class=summary><a href="https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/New_Ideas">https://<wbr>www.w3.org/<wbr>2011/<wbr>webtv/<wbr>wiki/<wbr>New_Ideas</a></p>
<p id=a3ba class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> But if it's just a one-liner then we can add it for consideration in the conference call.</p>
<p id=fe5f class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> We can then decide whether to write a more detailed description of the use case or if it's out of scope.</p>
<p id=060e class=action><strong>ACTION:</strong> Bin Hu to add information in the wiki about submitting use cases</p>
<p id=e3e4 class=bot><cite><trackbot></cite> Created ACTION-190 - Hu to add information in the wiki about submitting use cases [on Bin Hu - due 2014-04-09].</p>
<p id=cf29 class=action><strong>ACTION:</strong> Bin Hu to send mail about submitting a new use case</p>
<p id=94fc class=bot><cite><trackbot></cite> Error creating an ACTION: could not connect to Tracker. Please mail <[email protected]> with details about what happened.</p>
<p id=1525 class=irc><cite><aldafu></cite> i can</p>
<p id=8fea class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> So we can accept use cases in two formats</p>
<p id=d318 class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> And I'll change the deadline from end of April to end of May</p>
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<h3 id=113b>Possible "Tuner API" CG</h3>
<p id=8f33 class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> How many people do you need for a Community Group, Kaz?</p>
<p id=c0e4 class="phone s01"><cite>kaz:</cite> 5<br>
<span id=a2e1>… Theoretically you don't need a detailed charter but it's better to have a good description.</span></p>
<p id=5eb4 class="phone s03"><cite>aldafu:</cite> Can we see how many companies are interested already?</p>
<p id=e733 class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> It depends on the level of support.</p>
<p id=ad15 class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> AT&T and Opera seem to be interested. Maybe Qualcomm and ETRI as well.</p>
<p id=a7e4 class="phone s05"><cite>gmandyam:</cite> Qualcomm Innovation Center would be interested in this. One concern is that whatever comes out of this group could be too late to make it into tech such as HbbTV.</p>
<p id=dd7c class="phone s05"><cite>gmandyam:</cite> Can we get some commitment from the other SDOs to support the output of this CG?</p>
<p id=55c4 class="phone s01"><cite>kaz:</cite> So we need a WG instead at some point?</p>
<p id=7165 class="phone s05"><cite>gmandyam:</cite> Yes, but you don't have a lot of time.</p>
<p id=98a9 class="phone s05"><cite>gmandyam:</cite> HbbTV, for example, have progressed well with their own spec.</p>
<p id=3c49 class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> We need to move quickly if we want it to be adopted.</p>
<p id=b649 class="phone s03"><cite>aldafu:</cite> As I understand it, the HbbTV spec is based on the OIPF spec, right?</p>
<p id=b375 class="phone s05"><cite>gmandyam:</cite> Yes, but it also leverages some tech from W3C.</p>
<p id=ab3f class="phone s05"><cite>gmandyam:</cite> But the Tuner API is more specific so they may not be expecting much from W3C.</p>
<p id=78cc class="phone s03"><cite>aldafu:</cite> Mozilla also has an interest to bring Firefox OS to TV so they would need something like this.</p>
<p id=3b55 class=irc><cite><Zakim></cite> kaz, you wanted to suggest we ask HbbTV guys to join the CG</p>
<p id=66b6 class="phone s01"><cite>kaz:</cite> I think we should invite HbbTV guys and other SDOs to the community group. It doesn't require W3C membership, by the way.</p>
<p id=e38c class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> That's a good idea.</p>
<p id=35c9 class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> Who would be able to contact the HbbTV participants?</p>
<p id=c1de class="phone s03"><cite>aldafu:</cite> I can ask a colleague who's involved with this.</p>
<p id=e562 class="phone s01"><cite>kaz:</cite> So you could start with Louay and Stephan. We could also ask Jon Piesing.</p>
<p id=10001 class="phone s04"><cite>ddavis:</cite> For the record, they're already aware of our interest in this as it was discussed in the TV workshop.</p>
<p id=bbc6 class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> From our perspective, which company is willing to drive this?</p>
<p id=54a1 class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> Or should we wait until the next call when we have a wider group of people involved?</p>
<p id=6eb0 class="phone s04"><cite>ddavis:</cite> We could send a mail quickly asking for people who are willing to drive it and then see if there are others in the next call when we can decide.</p>
<p id=67d0 class=action><strong>ACTION:</strong> Bin Hu to send mail to TV IG asking for volunteers to drive the "Tuner API" initiative.</p>
<p id=feaf class=bot><cite><trackbot></cite> Created ACTION-191 - Hu to send mail to tv ig asking for volunteers to drive the "tuner api" initiative. [on Bin Hu - due 2014-04-09].</p>
<p id=85c9 class="phone s04"><cite>ddavis:</cite> We should make it clear that "Tuner API" is just a placeholder name - not decided yet.</p>
<p id=1ab7 class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> I think there are three issues: Name, Scope, Chair</p>
<p id=e79e class="phone s03"><cite>aldafu:</cite> Let me add some name ideas: TV Control API, TV Channel API, Channel Control API</p>
<p id=045e class="phone s03"><cite>aldafu:</cite> I agree, Tuner API doesn't really make sense</p>
<p id=4bd9 class="phone s04"><cite>ddavis:</cite> Some people may not like having "TV" in the name, so that it's for the wider web and not TV specifically.</p>
<p id=bf2c class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> Maybe "Channel Control API" is a more logical concept.</p>
<p id=11ad class="phone s01"><cite>kaz:</cite> Also "Media Selection" is possible</p>
<p id=8ef0 class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> Anything else to add?</p>
<p id=4b92 class=summary>(silence)</p>
<p id=b6ee class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> OK, we're done for today, ahead of schedule.</p>
<p id=3ad5 class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> The next meeting could be at a wider level for more participation hopefully.</p>
<p id=55bd class="phone s02"><cite>Bin_Hu:</cite> Thank you for your help and support. See you next time.</p>
<p id=e79b class=irc><cite><kaz></cite> [ adjourned ]</p>
<p id=645b class=action><strong>ACTION:</strong> Bin Hu to send mail about submitting a new use case</p>
<p id=55ed class=bot><cite><trackbot></cite> Error creating an ACTION: could not connect to Tracker. Please mail <[email protected]> with details about what happened.</p>
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<li><a href="#060e">Bin Hu to add information in the wiki about submitting use cases</a></li>
<li><a href="#cf29">Bin Hu to send mail about submitting a new use case</a></li>
<li><a href="#67d0">Bin Hu to send mail to TV IG asking for volunteers to drive the "Tuner API" initiative.</a></li>
<li><a href="#645b">Bin Hu to send mail about submitting a new use case</a></li>
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<h2>Summary of resolutions</h2>
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<li><a href="#10000">"Requirements from the Media API TF" note approved by meeting attendees.</a></li>
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<p class=warning>Succeeded: i/Next is/topic: Media APIs requirements/</p>
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<p class=warning>Succeeded: s/we should create the CG?/we need a WG instead at some point?/</p>
<p class=warning>Succeeded: s/light/late/</p>
<p class=warning>Maybe present: aldafu, Bin_Hu, ddavis, gmandyam</p>
<p class=warning>All speakers: aldafu, Bin_Hu, ddavis, gmandyam, Kaz</p>
<p class=warning>Active on IRC: aldafu, Bin_Hu, ddavis, gmandyam, kaz</p>
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