WikiEN-l January 2003

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sysop
by Oliver Brown 08 May '03

08 May '03

I would like to be a sysop to assist in the general maintenance and welfare of wikipedia. Sincerely, Oliver King Turtle

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RE: [WikiEN-l] 142 and voting systems pages
by Poor, Edmund W 03 Feb '03

03 Feb '03

Just revert - no need to justify. Or ban the IP. This sort of nonsense doesn't need a long debate. we're here to make an encyclopedia, not to accommodate weird views. Ed

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Challenge to Sheldon Rampton re: global warming (was: DW is still here - time for an IP ban)
by Poor, Edmund W 01 Feb '03

01 Feb '03

Hey, speaking of disingenuous answers, how about applying the NPOV to the [[global warming]] article? Are you able to step back from your advocacy and be neutral for a few minutes, and help us make a balanced article there? One of the best ways to attain neutrality in a contentious article is for a person who believes passionately in one side to focus on making the best case for the OTHER SIDE. If you could do this, it would be a big help. Ed Poor

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Clutch/Jonathan and the mystery of NPOV
by Erik Moeller 31 Jan '03

31 Jan '03

All, please take a look at http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Richard_Wagner&diff=0&oldid=634… I believe this edit speaks for itself. Notice that this edit was labeled as "restoring an URL and working toward a compromise on POV issues". A "compromise" (after his previous drastic POVification of the article) which includes the unexplained removal of plenty of significant information and obviously POV statements such as: "Labelling Wagner as an anti-Semite is misleading; he never supported violence against Jews, nor did he hold them to be at fault for the cultural divide that he perceived existed between German Jews of his time, and mainstream German culture." Once more, Clutch is trying to whitewash Wagner of any and all anti-Semitism (the "accusations" of which he believes are only made by Jews.) Frankly, I'm fed up by his edits. I can see absolutely no reason why Lir is banned and he is not. Enough is enough. Regards, Erik -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. Rund um die Uhr für 1 ct/ Min. surfen!

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142 and voting systems pages
by Dan Keshet 31 Jan '03

31 Jan '03

Hi all, 142 (whom many believe is the IP formerly known as 24) has been editing many voting systems pages in a very odd way. He takes the literal meanings of words in a phrase (instant runoff voting, disapproval voting) and writes a lot of things about topics vaguely related to the overlap of those two words. He attributes lots of random (but plausible) viewpoints to critics, countercritics, etc., as if he were summarizing a particular coffeehouse conversation. I can't keep up with him in real-time, though eventually I can edit all these pages and justify my edits in talk pages. I just thought I'd let you all know in cases there's anybody else who'd like to help me follow up on this. DanKeshet

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Re: DW is still here - time for an IP ban
by Sheldon Rampton 31 Jan '03

31 Jan '03

M Carling wrote: >If this turns out a be a serious problem, one idea would be to only allow >logged-in users to make changes (except in the Sandbox). That won't do much to keep out banned people. If someone wants to continually evade the ban, all they would have to do is subscribe a different user name every time they need to log in. Banning IP numbers isn't a very satisfactory solution either. To get around that barrier, just visit a different Internet cafe every day. In the event that this becomes more of a problem, perhaps the tech folks should start working on a more substantial system for authenticating subscribers. Here's what I think would work: (1) Establish a toggle that people with developer status can use to switch between "permission required" and "no permission required" mode for accepting new subscriptions. When "permission required" is turned ON, new subscribers would have to pass their submission request through a sysop, who would have to approve it before they can begin posting. When it is turned OFF, people can subscribe the same way they do now. Most of the time, it would be turned OFF, but in situations where a persistent vandal is active, it could be turned ON. That would make it possible to deny access to the vandal until he or she loses interest and goes elsewhere. (2) Create a special page, computer-generated and available only to sysops, which lists all of the pending submission requests. It will list the nickname of each pending subscriber alongside a check box, so a sysop can go through and quickly approve a batch of names simply by running down the list, checking the boxes, and clicking a "submit" button. A separate check box next to each user name can be used to flag individuals for further scrutiny, and clicking on the name itself will take you to a talk page for that user. Most users can be quickly approved this way simply by verifying that their IP number is not on a banned list or range. The others can be contacted via email and asked a few questions. Of course, vandals could still get through eventually by giving disingenuous answers, but there would be enough barriers to entry to slow them down and keep them from simply running amok at will. -- -------------------------------- | Sheldon Rampton | Editor, PR Watch (www.prwatch.org) | Author of books including: | Friends In Deed: The Story of US-Nicaragua Sister Cities | Toxic Sludge Is Good For You | Mad Cow USA | Trust Us, We're Experts --------------------------------

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Background info on DW -- very hush, hush!
by Poor, Edmund W 31 Jan '03

31 Jan '03

Some little known facts about "DW"... http://www.unitedmedia.com/creators/onebighappy/archive/images/onebighappy2… Uncle Ed

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DW is still here - time for an IP ban
by Tony Wilson 30 Jan '03

30 Jan '03

DW is still posting from IP 64.228.30.29. I don't know if he has others

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Request for administrator privileges
by J.T. Stanton II 30 Jan '03

30 Jan '03

Hello . . . Writing to request sysop status - my motivation is simple : * -based sex practice, Like This, queef, ulm, Tea bag sex position, teabagging, John Cheese, Erectile Bone, Cabinet of Canada . . . ad infinitum. I've no doubt that this kind of nonsense would eventually get caught with or without me, but what's the point in waiting for someone else to come along and clean it up if my fair amount of spare time and T3-and-friendly-boss-equipped day job give me the ample opprotunity to help keep the 'pedia tidy ? After all, *someone* has to finish classifying and deleting all those orphaned talk pages . . . Anyway . . . take a look at the 'votes for deletion' page, and tell me everyone's life wouldn't be easier if I could just dump garbage like ' Arise Oh Compatriots Nigerias Call Obey ' myself. :' ) ~ J.T. ( Tzaquiel ) PS : I might've cross-posted this to the Wikipedia list - if so, all apologies !

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DW's new threat
by james duffy 30 Jan '03

30 Jan '03

After quite a while of personal abuse ('moron', 'retard' etc) DW sent me the following message: Will suggest you stop vandalizing the [[Amedeo Modigliani]] page on which you have made no contribution except to vanadalize it. Keep it up and I guarantee you that a dozen people will start examining very carefully anything your retarded brain might have created as per your list....DW For the record, what I did was revert the page to the style as laid out by Zoe (she asked me a few days ago to keep an eye on the page 'invert and hurl abuse around' phases. I duly did that while carefully keeping in the one textual change he made. However DW does not appreciate anyone else touching 'his' pages. It is one thing to leave insults on people's talk pages (is there anyone he hasn't done that to by now?), but to threaten to vandalise the work of someone if they 'vandalise' (ie, touch) anything of his seems astonishing. Or maybe there is nothing astonishing in anything DW says or does anymore. Do we have to put up with nonsense from DW or could someone out there (preferably someone he hasn't already hurled abuse at, if there is anyone he hasn't hurled abuse at, that is!) have a quiet word with him. Or maybe feed him a dozen valium! JT _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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