Wikitech-l June 2008

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93 discussions

Database dumps
by Byrial Jensen 17 Apr '25

17 Apr '25

Until some weeks ago http://dumps.wikimedia.org/backup-index.html used to show 4 dumps in progress at the same time. That meant that new database dumps normally was available within about 3 weeks for all databases except for enwiki and maybe dewiki where the dump process due to size took longer time. However the 4 dumps processes at one time become 3 some weeks ago. And after massive failures at June 4, only one dump has been in progress at the same time. So at the current speed it will take several months to come thru all dumps. Is it possible to speed up the process again using several dump processes at the same time? Thank you, Byrial

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EBNF grammar project status?
by Steve Bennett 01 Apr '25

01 Apr '25

What's the status of the project to create a grammar for Wikitext in EBNF? There are two pages: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikitext_Metasyntax http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Markup_spec Nothing seems to have happened since January this year. Also the comments on the latter page seem to indicate a lack of clear goal: is this just a fun project, is it to improve the existing parser, or is it to facilititate a new parser? It's obviously a lot of work, so it needs to be of clear benefit. Brion requested the grammar IIRC (and there's a comment to that effect at http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7 ), so I'm wondering what became of it. Is there still a goal of replacing the parser? Or is there some alternative plan? Steve

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MediaWiki to Latex Converter
by Hugo Vincent 18 Jun '12

18 Jun '12

Hi everyone, I recently set up a MediaWiki (http://server.bluewatersys.com/w90n740/) and I need to extra the content from it and convert it into LaTeX syntax for printed documentation. I have googled for a suitable OSS solution but nothing was apparent. I would prefer a script written in Python, but any recommendations would be very welcome. Do you know of anything suitable? Kind Regards, Hugo Vincent, Bluewater Systems.

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Replacement stats for placeholder images?
by David Gerard 14 Oct '09

14 Oct '09

I've been putting placeholder images on a lot of articles on en:wp. e.g. [[Image:Replace this image male.svg]], which goes to [[Wikipedia:Fromowner]], which asks people to upload an image if they own one. I know it's inspired people to add free content images to articles in several cases. What I'm interested in is numbers. So what I'd need is a list of edits where one of the SVGs that redirects to [[Wikipedia:Fromowner]] is replaced with an image. (Checking which of those are actually free images can come next.) Is there a tolerably easy way to get this info from a dump? Any Wikipedia statistics fans who think this'd be easy? (If the placeholders do work, then it'd also be useful convincing some wikiprojects to encourage the things. Not that there's ownership of articles on en:wp, of *course* ...) - d.

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s all over the place
by Sergey Chernyshev 04 Jul '08

04 Jul '08

Hi, I'm getting complaints from users using my Widgets and HeaderTabs extensions' parser functions that their output is mangled with tags. Looking into the issues I identified two separate problems and I'll be very happy if you can confirm that I'm correct and help me resolve them. First issue: Output of all parser functions is preceded with "\n\n" in Parser.php line 2975 (on current stable 1.12 branch) which purposefully forces closing combination which contradicts with users expectations that it will actually be inline if they put parser function inline. Here's the code: # Replace raw HTML by a placeholder # Add a blank line preceding, to prevent it from mucking up # immediately preceding headings if ( $isHTML ) { $text = "\n\n" . $this->insertStripItem( $text ); } This is quite distracting since there is no way to work around this in extensions or page text. Second issue: If output of the function has line breaks in it, it gets populated by lots of tags which might not be desirable if extension is supposed to preserve HTML structure (e.g. Widgets extension). I found a piece of instruction on how to avoid it by using unique markers and 'ParserAfterTidy' hook: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Tag_extensions#How_can_I_avoid_modific… please let me know if this is still going to work correctly with new parser implementation. I'll greatly appreciate your help with the matter. Thank you, Sergey -- Sergey Chernyshev http://www.sergeychernyshev.com/

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Deprecate $wgSysopUserBans?
by Max Semenik 03 Jul '08

03 Jul '08

This option was making sense when blocking registered users was an experimental feature, but currently it's set to true everywhere and hardly there's any third-party wiki that actually use it. So, does it make sense to remove this option completely? -- Max Semenik ([[User:MaxSem]])

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Re: [Wikitech-l] [MediaWiki-CVS] SVN: [36751] trunk/phase3/includes/db
by Simetrical 30 Jun '08

30 Jun '08

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:06 AM, <demon(a)svn.wikimedia.org> wrote: > Log Message: > ----------- > Add no-ops for the (un)lock functions. > > Modified Paths: > -------------- > trunk/phase3/includes/db/DatabaseMssql.php > trunk/phase3/includes/db/DatabaseOracle.php > trunk/phase3/includes/db/DatabaseSqlite.php You know, maybe it would be an interesting idea to actually use real polymorphism in the Database class rather than making Database == DatabaseMySQL and have everything else override that? How about the no-op lock() and unlock() go in Database, and get overridden in DatabaseMySQL (which is the only one where they're different)?

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Feed Icon in Browsers Adress Bar
by Alexander Kluge 30 Jun '08

30 Jun '08

Hi List, how is it possible to get the (rss/atom) feed icon in the address bar of the browser. At the moment I use the WikiFeeds extension which creates an own feed being shown in the address bar. But I want the mediawiki's internal feed (which displays the changes much better) used when you click the Recent Changes page - so how do i show this feed in the address bar of the browser so that the feed can be subscribed to on every page of the wiki? PS: Is there an implementation planned with which you can configure the feed? Thx in advance, Regards, Alex -- *Game based eVideo* Ein ESF-gefördertes Projekt der FHTW Berlin. eLearning | eVideo | Web 2.0 | Serious Games büro: +49 (0)30 50 19 26 47 http://evideo.fhtw-berlin.de Alexander Kluge http://www.alexkluge.de Studentischer Mitarbeiter mobil: +49 (0)163 60 51 036 alexander.kluge(a)fhtw-berlin.de FHTW - Fachhochschule für Technik und Wirtschaft Treskowallee 8, 10318 Berlin

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GSoC Project: Category Moving
by Tim Johansson 29 Jun '08

29 Jun '08

Hello, wikitech. I have applied to Google Summer of Code with the project to enable category moving without using bots. After some correspondance with Catrope, the following text is my project idea. Any feedback would be welcome. Synopsis I will provide capability of moving categories to achieve an effect for the end-user similar to that of moving other pages. Currently, contributors must apply to use a bot that recreates the category page and changes the category link on all relevant articles. Project The object can be divided into three parts. First, the category page is moved, along with its history, just as renaming of articles works. A redirect is optionally placed on the old category page, and the category discussion is moved as well. Second, all articles in the relevant category must have their category links changed. There are several obstacles involved in this task: 1. Finding all alternative ways of categorizing articles. It is simple to match the simple category links and category lists, but more difficult to find e.g. categories included from a template. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) suggested category redirects for this, such that all articles categorised as [[Category:A]] would also be listed at [[Category:B]] if the prior has been redirected to the latter. 2. Articles might be in the process of being edited as the movement is done. This, however, can be solved in the same manner as edit collisions are currently solved. 3. The algorithm would likely have high complexity and would thus not scale well with very large categories. This is likely to constitute a significant and challenging part of the project. As the last step, the relevant entries in the categorylinks table would need to be changed. This is accomplished by a simple SQL query. This could be avoided if bug #13579 [1] ("Category table should use category ID rather than category name") is fixed, which it could be as part of this project. The project would preferably be written as a patch to the core. Catrope suggested setting up a separate SVN branch for the project, such that everyone can see my progress. Profits for MediaWiki Developing a means of moving categories would decrease dependency on bots, gaining in administrative time. Additionally, the solution would be faster than any bot-relying solution could be due to, among other things, the removed need of loading pages. Category moving would also increase the consistency in layout on the different article types. The only real reason for a "move" tab not to reside on category pages is that the feature is not yet implemented. Roadmap Publishing this document to the MediaWiki development community (wikitech-l) and awaiting comments on the planned procedure would be the first step. After the community bonding period specified by the time line, a week should be enough to get comfortable with the relevant MediaWiki code and implement the first section, moving the category page along with its discussion and history. Much old code should be reusable here, such as the Title::moveTo() method for moving pages. Until mid of July, most of the second part of the project should be finished. In a week from there, the last part would be completed, too. A month is then reserved for bug-testing, tweaking and as a buffer for unexpected obstacles. The MediaWiki community is very important in this step for testing and feedback. Regards -- Tim Johansson http://timjoh.com/

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more 1.12 performance problems for our upgrade
by Travis (wikiHow) 29 Jun '08

29 Jun '08

Hi, I'm still working on upgrading us to 1.12 and after upgrading the extensions, I'm noticing that the 1.12 upgrade still takes a lot longer to render a page. For ( $elapsed = $now - $wgRequestTime;) for 1.9, I usually see on average about 0.15 seconds to serve a page, while 1.12 I'm seeing more like 0.50 seconds, with both installations running on the same server and connected to the same DB server, etc. Here are some of the functions I'm seeing take awhile in the profiler. 462.884 MediaWiki::initialize 395.097 MediaWiki::performAction 328.284 Article::view 233.001 Parser::parse 232.899 Parser::parse-Article::outputWikiText 134.212 Parser::internalParse 103.388 Parser::replaceVariables 252.385 MediaWiki::finalCleanup 251.857 OutputPage::output 251.402 Output-skin 251.332 SkinTemplate::outputPage 209.752 SkinTemplate::outputPage-execute 855.008 -total The full profile is here: http://69.20.102.10/x/profile_deep.txt Any ideas? I've tried drilling down into finding out why some of these are taking a long time. replaceInternalLinks seems to take a long time sometimes because the LocalFile::loadFromDB DB select statement sometimes takes over 50ms, but it looks like our indices in the image table are fine. mysql> check table image; +------------------+-------+----------+----------+ | Table | Op | Msg_type | Msg_text | +------------------+-------+----------+----------+ | wikidb_112.image | check | status | OK | +------------------+-------+----------+----------+ 1 row in set (1.73 sec) Thanks, Travis

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