Thread: Re: [Dev-C++] WxWINDOW

Oh, sorry, I thought you got the package from dev home page, which is a devpak.

What I did was this: (having gcc[C:\Dev-Cpp\Bin] in the path)
1- I unpacked it to C:\wxMSW
2 - open command.exe
3 - cd to C:\wxMSW\src
4 - type make -f makefile.g95 and wait, then I ran over some of the other
folders seeing that in all of them the result was "make nothing to be done for
all", so I gave it as built. Well, there were a couple of utilities about
dialog editor or something like that, I cd to there and make etc.

The bad news are that I never could make it work, except for the examples that
were with it, which compiled fine, I tried some examples for Dev-C++ and I
couldn't compile any one.

The first you must do when making a project is define __GNUWIN32__ and define
UNICODE, and define __WXMSW__

And a lot of compiler options, linker parameters... search in the dev mailing
list, I don't remember when they answered me with all those options you must
provide, more or less six or seven months ago or before.

Hi *,

If you don't use Dev-C++ package and you want to use wxWindows sources 'b=
y
yourself', there are only a few things you must do in order to use
wxWindows...

Download wxWindows sources (from http://wxwindows.sourceforge.net/),
download also 'extra.zip' file (from http://wxwindows.sourceforge.net/ al=
so,
but only if you don't use MSYS from http://mingw.sourceforge.net/) and th=
en,
FIRST OF ALL, please read the file: %WXWIN%/docs/msw/install.txt=20

You'll find everything you'll need in order to install it!!!

Anyway here you have a 'Quick How To'...

Set a few environment variables:
=09WXWIN to the path where you decompressed wxWindows sources,
=09if needed, BISON_SIMPLE & BISON_HAIRY to the complete path to files
(complete/path/to/folder/plus/filename.extension)

Edit %WXWIN%\src\makeg95.env, search through the options and set them to =
the
appropriate values to fit your system needs; I just changed the following=

ones (keep in mind that these are MY values for WinAPI & MinGW installati=
on
;o):
=09MINGW32=3D1
=09MINGW32VERSION=3D3.2
=09YACC=3Dbison
=09CPU=3Dpentium4
=09COMPPATHS =3D -I"D:/WinAPI/include" -I"D:/MinGW/include"
=09Perhaps you may want to include these two also:
-I"D:/MinGW/include/sys" -I"D:/MinGW/include/c++/3.2"

...And add the appropriate dirs to this one (keeping the original stuff, =
of
course):
=09LDFLAGS =3D (...original stuff...) -L"D:/MinGW/lib"  -L"D:/WinAPI/lib"=


Then cd to %WXWIN%\src\msw and use make -f makefile.g95 clean / make -f
makefile.g95 and wait... That's all!!!=20
You'll have wxWindows ready to use (there are a few more options to use t=
he
wxWindows DLL, so read the docs, please...)

You'll only need to use a makefile like the following one, you only have =
to
modify 'OBJECTS' to fit your needs:
=09# Makefile for wxWindows (Mingw32).
=09# WXDIR =3D D:/wxWindows/v2.3.3

=09TARGET=3DMyApp
=09OBJECTS =3D $(TARGET).o MyFrame.o MyOtherStuff.o

=09include $(WXDIR)/src/makeprog.g95

Hope this helps
Santy

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Garc=EDa del Monte [mailto:cg...@wo...]=20
Sent: jueves, 17 de octubre de 2002 22:24
To: ma...@al...; dev-cpp-users-list
Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] WxWINDOW


Oh, sorry, I thought you got the package from dev home page, which is a
devpak.

What I did was this: (having gcc[C:\Dev-Cpp\Bin] in the path)
1- I unpacked it to C:\wxMSW
2 - open command.exe
3 - cd to C:\wxMSW\src
4 - type make -f makefile.g95 and wait, then I ran over some of the other=

folders seeing that in all of them the result was "make nothing to be don=
e
for all", so I gave it as built. Well, there were a couple of utilities
about dialog editor or something like that, I cd to there and make etc.

The bad news are that I never could make it work, except for the examples=

that were with it, which compiled fine, I tried some examples for Dev-C++=

and I couldn't compile any one.

The first you must do when making a project is define __GNUWIN32__ and
define UNICODE, and define __WXMSW__

And a lot of compiler options, linker parameters... search in the dev
mailing list, I don't remember when they answered me with all those optio=
ns
you must provide, more or less six or seven months ago or before.



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Based on the Santiago's note, it seems like wxWindows is a lot of effort
to
set up correctly. Could someone experienced with wxWindows tell us if it
is worth all this effort ?



--- Santiago Palmier Campos <San...@yd...> wrote:
> Hi *,
> 
> If you don't use Dev-C++ package and you want to use wxWindows sources
> 'by
> yourself', there are only a few things you must do in order to use
> wxWindows...
> 
> Download wxWindows sources (from http://wxwindows.sourceforge.net/),
> download also 'extra.zip' file (from http://wxwindows.sourceforge.net/
> also,
> but only if you don't use MSYS from http://mingw.sourceforge.net/) and
> then,
> FIRST OF ALL, please read the file: %WXWIN%/docs/msw/install.txt 
> 
> You'll find everything you'll need in order to install it!!!
> 
> Anyway here you have a 'Quick How To'...
> 
> Set a few environment variables:
> 	WXWIN to the path where you decompressed wxWindows sources,
> 	if needed, BISON_SIMPLE & BISON_HAIRY to the complete path to files
> (complete/path/to/folder/plus/filename.extension)
> 
> Edit %WXWIN%\src\makeg95.env, search through the options and set them to
> the
> appropriate values to fit your system needs; I just changed the
> following
> ones (keep in mind that these are MY values for WinAPI & MinGW
> installation
> ;o):
> 	MINGW32=1
> 	MINGW32VERSION=3.2
> 	YACC=bison
> 	CPU=pentium4
> 	COMPPATHS = -I"D:/WinAPI/include" -I"D:/MinGW/include"
> 	Perhaps you may want to include these two also:
> -I"D:/MinGW/include/sys" -I"D:/MinGW/include/c++/3.2"
> 
> ...And add the appropriate dirs to this one (keeping the original stuff,
> of
> course):
> 	LDFLAGS = (...original stuff...) -L"D:/MinGW/lib"  -L"D:/WinAPI/lib"
> 
> Then cd to %WXWIN%\src\msw and use make -f makefile.g95 clean / make -f
> makefile.g95 and wait... That's all!!! 
> You'll have wxWindows ready to use (there are a few more options to use
> the
> wxWindows DLL, so read the docs, please...)
> 
> You'll only need to use a makefile like the following one, you only have
> to
> modify 'OBJECTS' to fit your needs:
> 	# Makefile for wxWindows (Mingw32).
> 	# WXDIR = D:/wxWindows/v2.3.3
> 
> 	TARGET=MyApp
> 	OBJECTS = $(TARGET).o MyFrame.o MyOtherStuff.o
> 
> 	include $(WXDIR)/src/makeprog.g95
> 
> Hope this helps
> Santy
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carlos García del Monte [mailto:cg...@wo...] 
> Sent: jueves, 17 de octubre de 2002 22:24
> To: ma...@al...; dev-cpp-users-list
> Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] WxWINDOW
> 
> 
> Oh, sorry, I thought you got the package from dev home page, which is a
> devpak.
> 
> What I did was this: (having gcc[C:\Dev-Cpp\Bin] in the path)
> 1- I unpacked it to C:\wxMSW
> 2 - open command.exe
> 3 - cd to C:\wxMSW\src
> 4 - type make -f makefile.g95 and wait, then I ran over some of the
> other
> folders seeing that in all of them the result was "make nothing to be
> done
> for all", so I gave it as built. Well, there were a couple of utilities
> about dialog editor or something like that, I cd to there and make etc.
> 
> The bad news are that I never could make it work, except for the
> examples
> that were with it, which compiled fine, I tried some examples for
> Dev-C++
> and I couldn't compile any one.
> 
> The first you must do when making a project is define __GNUWIN32__ and
> define UNICODE, and define __WXMSW__
> 
> And a lot of compiler options, linker parameters... search in the dev
> mailing list, I don't remember when they answered me with all those
> options
> you must provide, more or less six or seven months ago or before.
> 
> 
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You have to edit fonts.h (perhaps other, I'm not sure, see the file which=
 produces that
message).
As I said there seems to be people who achieved to work with wxwindows, b=
ut I never. I
gave up and I deleted all wxwindows from my computer.

Louis Godio escribi=F3:

> Based on the Santiago's note, it seems like wxWindows is a lot of effor=
t
> to
> set up correctly. Could someone experienced with wxWindows tell us if i=
t
> is worth all this effort ?
>
> --- Santiago Palmier Campos <San...@yd...> wrote:
> > Hi *,
> >
> > If you don't use Dev-C++ package and you want to use wxWindows source=
s
> > 'by
> > yourself', there are only a few things you must do in order to use
> > wxWindows...
> >
> > Download wxWindows sources (from http://wxwindows.sourceforge.net/),
> > download also 'extra.zip' file (from http://wxwindows.sourceforge.net=
/
> > also,
> > but only if you don't use MSYS from http://mingw.sourceforge.net/) an=
d
> > then,
> > FIRST OF ALL, please read the file: %WXWIN%/docs/msw/install.txt
> >
> > You'll find everything you'll need in order to install it!!!
> >
> > Anyway here you have a 'Quick How To'...
> >
> > Set a few environment variables:
> >       WXWIN to the path where you decompressed wxWindows sources,
> >       if needed, BISON_SIMPLE & BISON_HAIRY to the complete path to f=
iles
> > (complete/path/to/folder/plus/filename.extension)
> >
> > Edit %WXWIN%\src\makeg95.env, search through the options and set them=
 to
> > the
> > appropriate values to fit your system needs; I just changed the
> > following
> > ones (keep in mind that these are MY values for WinAPI & MinGW
> > installation
> > ;o):
> >       MINGW32=3D1
> >       MINGW32VERSION=3D3.2
> >       YACC=3Dbison
> >       CPU=3Dpentium4
> >       COMPPATHS =3D -I"D:/WinAPI/include" -I"D:/MinGW/include"
> >       Perhaps you may want to include these two also:
> > -I"D:/MinGW/include/sys" -I"D:/MinGW/include/c++/3.2"
> >
> > ...And add the appropriate dirs to this one (keeping the original stu=
ff,
> > of
> > course):
> >       LDFLAGS =3D (...original stuff...) -L"D:/MinGW/lib"  -L"D:/WinA=
PI/lib"
> >
> > Then cd to %WXWIN%\src\msw and use make -f makefile.g95 clean / make =
-f
> > makefile.g95 and wait... That's all!!!
> > You'll have wxWindows ready to use (there are a few more options to u=
se
> > the
> > wxWindows DLL, so read the docs, please...)
> >
> > You'll only need to use a makefile like the following one, you only h=
ave
> > to
> > modify 'OBJECTS' to fit your needs:
> >       # Makefile for wxWindows (Mingw32).
> >       # WXDIR =3D D:/wxWindows/v2.3.3
> >
> >       TARGET=3DMyApp
> >       OBJECTS =3D $(TARGET).o MyFrame.o MyOtherStuff.o
> >
> >       include $(WXDIR)/src/makeprog.g95
> >
> > Hope this helps
> > Santy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Carlos Garc=EDa del Monte [mailto:cg...@wo...]
> > Sent: jueves, 17 de octubre de 2002 22:24
> > To: ma...@al...; dev-cpp-users-list
> > Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] WxWINDOW
> >
> >
> > Oh, sorry, I thought you got the package from dev home page, which is=
 a
> > devpak.
> >
> > What I did was this: (having gcc[C:\Dev-Cpp\Bin] in the path)
> > 1- I unpacked it to C:\wxMSW
> > 2 - open command.exe
> > 3 - cd to C:\wxMSW\src
> > 4 - type make -f makefile.g95 and wait, then I ran over some of the
> > other
> > folders seeing that in all of them the result was "make nothing to be
> > done
> > for all", so I gave it as built. Well, there were a couple of utiliti=
es
> > about dialog editor or something like that, I cd to there and make et=
c.
> >
> > The bad news are that I never could make it work, except for the
> > examples
> > that were with it, which compiled fine, I tried some examples for
> > Dev-C++
> > and I couldn't compile any one.
> >
> > The first you must do when making a project is define __GNUWIN32__ an=
d
> > define UNICODE, and define __WXMSW__
> >
> > And a lot of compiler options, linker parameters... search in the dev
> > mailing list, I don't remember when they answered me with all those
> > options
> > you must provide, more or less six or seven months ago or before.
> >
> >
> >
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Hi Luis,

From my personal experience (I've been programming with MFC from some tim=
e
ago [4-5 years]), what I can tell you is that programming wxWindows IS mu=
ch
EASIER than programming M$ MFC and/or win32 API.=20

I've been using wxWindows for 6 months now, but I really think that it ma=
kes
sense to use this library.

wxWindows classes are well structured, you are able to modify / extend th=
em
and you can contribute to improve the library by submitting your code to
wxWindows development team. You are NOT forced to use doc/view apps even
when there's no need for that programming structure, etc...

Please have also in mind that:

- 	wxWindows source is portable between M$ Windows and some UNIX
flavours (Solaris, Linux,...)
=09MFC / win32 API is NOT portable in any way.

- 	wxWindows source can be compiled with MinGW / M$ VC++ / Borland /
etc...
=09MFC can ONLY be compiled with M$ VC++

- 	some MFC code does NOT follow C/C++ 'good programming techniques'
nor 'real' templates, etc...
=09	(take a look at MFC code, you'll find some goto's and much
more ;o)=20
=09wxWindows IS pure C++ without 'shortcuts' ;oD

-	It is likely to happen that MFC became obsolete since .NET have born
=09wxWindows will be 'alive' whenever people use it: we've got the
sources!

Just my 2 cents!

~Santy
PS: I do not consider myself a 'guru', that's another reason why I like s=
uch
a library like wxWindows: it makes my life easier!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Louis Godio [mailto:lg...@ya...]=20
Sent: s=E1bado, 19 de octubre de 2002 0:14
To: Santiago Palmier Campos; dev-cpp-users-list
Subject: RE: [Dev-C++] WxWINDOW


Based on the Santiago's note, it seems like wxWindows is a lot of effort =
to
set up correctly. Could someone experienced with wxWindows tell us if it =
is
worth all this effort ?



--- Santiago Palmier Campos <San...@yd...> wrote:
> Hi *,
>=20
> If you don't use Dev-C++ package and you want to use wxWindows sources =

> 'by yourself', there are only a few things you must do in order to use
> wxWindows...
>=20
> Download wxWindows sources (from http://wxwindows.sourceforge.net/),
> download also 'extra.zip' file (from http://wxwindows.sourceforge.net/ =

> also, but only if you don't use MSYS from=20
> http://mingw.sourceforge.net/) and then,
> FIRST OF ALL, please read the file: %WXWIN%/docs/msw/install.txt=20
>=20
> You'll find everything you'll need in order to install it!!!
>=20
> Anyway here you have a 'Quick How To'...
>=20
> Set a few environment variables:
> 	WXWIN to the path where you decompressed wxWindows sources,
> 	if needed, BISON_SIMPLE & BISON_HAIRY to the complete path to files
> (complete/path/to/folder/plus/filename.extension)
>=20
> Edit %WXWIN%\src\makeg95.env, search through the options and set them=20
> to the appropriate values to fit your system needs; I just changed the
> following
> ones (keep in mind that these are MY values for WinAPI & MinGW
> installation
> ;o):
> 	MINGW32=3D1
> 	MINGW32VERSION=3D3.2
> 	YACC=3Dbison
> 	CPU=3Dpentium4
> 	COMPPATHS =3D -I"D:/WinAPI/include" -I"D:/MinGW/include"
> 	Perhaps you may want to include these two also:
> -I"D:/MinGW/include/sys" -I"D:/MinGW/include/c++/3.2"
>=20
> ...And add the appropriate dirs to this one (keeping the original=20
> stuff, of
> course):
> 	LDFLAGS =3D (...original stuff...) -L"D:/MinGW/lib"  -L"D:/WinAPI/lib"=

>=20
> Then cd to %WXWIN%\src\msw and use make -f makefile.g95 clean / make=20
> -f makefile.g95 and wait... That's all!!! You'll have wxWindows ready=20
> to use (there are a few more options to use the
> wxWindows DLL, so read the docs, please...)
>=20
> You'll only need to use a makefile like the following one, you only=20
> have to modify 'OBJECTS' to fit your needs:
> 	# Makefile for wxWindows (Mingw32).
> 	# WXDIR =3D D:/wxWindows/v2.3.3
>=20
> 	TARGET=3DMyApp
> 	OBJECTS =3D $(TARGET).o MyFrame.o MyOtherStuff.o
>=20
> 	include $(WXDIR)/src/makeprog.g95
>=20
> Hope this helps
> Santy
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carlos Garc=EDa del Monte [mailto:cg...@wo...]
> Sent: jueves, 17 de octubre de 2002 22:24
> To: ma...@al...; dev-cpp-users-list
> Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] WxWINDOW
>=20
>=20
> Oh, sorry, I thought you got the package from dev home page, which is=20
> a devpak.
>=20
> What I did was this: (having gcc[C:\Dev-Cpp\Bin] in the path)
> 1- I unpacked it to C:\wxMSW
> 2 - open command.exe
> 3 - cd to C:\wxMSW\src
> 4 - type make -f makefile.g95 and wait, then I ran over some of the=20
> other folders seeing that in all of them the result was "make nothing=20
> to be done
> for all", so I gave it as built. Well, there were a couple of utilities=

> about dialog editor or something like that, I cd to there and make etc.=

>=20
> The bad news are that I never could make it work, except for the=20
> examples that were with it, which compiled fine, I tried some examples =

> for
> Dev-C++
> and I couldn't compile any one.
>=20
> The first you must do when making a project is define __GNUWIN32__ and =

> define UNICODE, and define __WXMSW__
>=20
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wxWindows is a bit easier to use, but that comes with a couple of gotchas
for an old MFC programmer.

MFC uses VERY aggresive broadcasts of events between the different windows
in the program. In wxWindows on the other hand, you often notices that for
an example a list control doesn't get a menu event, because one of the
parent windows have processed the event - or actually, decided not to
forward the event any deeper in the hierarchy. So either you have to
modify the parent window to specifically pick up the event and forward it
yourself, or you have to teach the list control to register an event
handler filter to make sure that it catches the event.

Other thins to notice is that depending on the defines used when compiling
the wxWindows library for Windows, a number of nice extras might not work.
If you check around in the source code, you will notice that you have to
add _WIN32_IE=3D0x???? something, to specify which minimum version of
windows "gadgets" to support, i.e. if you have tree controls, and what the
tree control may do, if you should be able to set color for individual=20
lines of a list control etc.

There are also some regions of the wxWindows library that are more than a
little bit "rough". Try to write a well-behaved print-preview, and yoy'll
quickly notice that this is kind of work in progress. If the user selects
70% scale in a preview input field, your code doesn't get to see this
value, but after a lot of evaluation - comparing the received windows
memory context with the printer context, you might have to set a scaling
factor of 1.05 in the device context to get the 70% scaling :-)

The availability of really good resource editors for wxWindows are also a
bit lacking compared to MFC.

But in the end. Why pay to M$, when wxWindows WILL manage to create
commercial-grade applications, and with the side effect of making a
carefully crafted program to work on Mac, OS/2, Linux GTK, Linux Motif,
Win 3.1... besides the Win32 version. And if you find a bug, YOU may fix
it the same day.

/Per W

On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Santiago Palmier Campos wrote:

> Hi Luis,
>=20
> >From my personal experience (I've been programming with MFC from some ti=
me
> ago [4-5 years]), what I can tell you is that programming wxWindows IS mu=
ch
> EASIER than programming M$ MFC and/or win32 API.=20
>=20
> I've been using wxWindows for 6 months now, but I really think that it ma=
kes
> sense to use this library.
>=20
> wxWindows classes are well structured, you are able to modify / extend th=
em
> and you can contribute to improve the library by submitting your code to
> wxWindows development team. You are NOT forced to use doc/view apps even
> when there's no need for that programming structure, etc...
>=20
> Please have also in mind that:
>=20
> - =09wxWindows source is portable between M$ Windows and some UNIX
> flavours (Solaris, Linux,...)
> =09MFC / win32 API is NOT portable in any way.
>=20
> - =09wxWindows source can be compiled with MinGW / M$ VC++ / Borland /
> etc...
> =09MFC can ONLY be compiled with M$ VC++
>=20
> - =09some MFC code does NOT follow C/C++ 'good programming techniques'
> nor 'real' templates, etc...
> =09=09(take a look at MFC code, you'll find some goto's and much
> more ;o)=20
> =09wxWindows IS pure C++ without 'shortcuts' ;oD
>=20
> -=09It is likely to happen that MFC became obsolete since .NET have born
> =09wxWindows will be 'alive' whenever people use it: we've got the
> sources!
>=20
> Just my 2 cents!
>=20
> ~Santy
> PS: I do not consider myself a 'guru', that's another reason why I like s=
uch
> a library like wxWindows: it makes my life easier!!!
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Louis Godio [mailto:lg...@ya...]=20
> Sent: s=E1bado, 19 de octubre de 2002 0:14
> To: Santiago Palmier Campos; dev-cpp-users-list
> Subject: RE: [Dev-C++] WxWINDOW
>=20
>=20
> Based on the Santiago's note, it seems like wxWindows is a lot of effort =
to
> set up correctly. Could someone experienced with wxWindows tell us if it =
is
> worth all this effort ?
>=20
>=20
>=20
> --- Santiago Palmier Campos <San...@yd...> wrote:
> > Hi *,
> >=20
> > If you don't use Dev-C++ package and you want to use wxWindows sources=
=20
> > 'by yourself', there are only a few things you must do in order to use
> > wxWindows...
> >=20
> > Download wxWindows sources (from http://wxwindows.sourceforge.net/),
> > download also 'extra.zip' file (from http://wxwindows.sourceforge.net/=
=20
> > also, but only if you don't use MSYS from=20
> > http://mingw.sourceforge.net/) and then,
> > FIRST OF ALL, please read the file: %WXWIN%/docs/msw/install.txt=20
> >=20
> > You'll find everything you'll need in order to install it!!!
> >=20
> > Anyway here you have a 'Quick How To'...
> >=20
> > Set a few environment variables:
> > =09WXWIN to the path where you decompressed wxWindows sources,
> > =09if needed, BISON_SIMPLE & BISON_HAIRY to the complete path to files
> > (complete/path/to/folder/plus/filename.extension)
> >=20
> > Edit %WXWIN%\src\makeg95.env, search through the options and set them=
=20
> > to the appropriate values to fit your system needs; I just changed the
> > following
> > ones (keep in mind that these are MY values for WinAPI & MinGW
> > installation
> > ;o):
> > =09MINGW32=3D1
> > =09MINGW32VERSION=3D3.2
> > =09YACC=3Dbison
> > =09CPU=3Dpentium4
> > =09COMPPATHS =3D -I"D:/WinAPI/include" -I"D:/MinGW/include"
> > =09Perhaps you may want to include these two also:
> > -I"D:/MinGW/include/sys" -I"D:/MinGW/include/c++/3.2"
> >=20
> > ...And add the appropriate dirs to this one (keeping the original=20
> > stuff, of
> > course):
> > =09LDFLAGS =3D (...original stuff...) -L"D:/MinGW/lib"  -L"D:/WinAPI/li=
b"
> >=20
> > Then cd to %WXWIN%\src\msw and use make -f makefile.g95 clean / make=20
> > -f makefile.g95 and wait... That's all!!! You'll have wxWindows ready=
=20
> > to use (there are a few more options to use the
> > wxWindows DLL, so read the docs, please...)
> >=20
> > You'll only need to use a makefile like the following one, you only=20
> > have to modify 'OBJECTS' to fit your needs:
> > =09# Makefile for wxWindows (Mingw32).
> > =09# WXDIR =3D D:/wxWindows/v2.3.3
> >=20
> > =09TARGET=3DMyApp
> > =09OBJECTS =3D $(TARGET).o MyFrame.o MyOtherStuff.o
> >=20
> > =09include $(WXDIR)/src/makeprog.g95
> >=20
> > Hope this helps
> > Santy
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Carlos Garc=EDa del Monte [mailto:cg...@wo...]
> > Sent: jueves, 17 de octubre de 2002 22:24
> > To: ma...@al...; dev-cpp-users-list
> > Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] WxWINDOW
> >=20
> >=20
> > Oh, sorry, I thought you got the package from dev home page, which is=
=20
> > a devpak.
> >=20
> > What I did was this: (having gcc[C:\Dev-Cpp\Bin] in the path)
> > 1- I unpacked it to C:\wxMSW
> > 2 - open command.exe
> > 3 - cd to C:\wxMSW\src
> > 4 - type make -f makefile.g95 and wait, then I ran over some of the=20
> > other folders seeing that in all of them the result was "make nothing=
=20
> > to be done
> > for all", so I gave it as built. Well, there were a couple of utilities
> > about dialog editor or something like that, I cd to there and make etc.
> >=20
> > The bad news are that I never could make it work, except for the=20
> > examples that were with it, which compiled fine, I tried some examples=
=20
> > for
> > Dev-C++
> > and I couldn't compile any one.
> >=20
> > The first you must do when making a project is define __GNUWIN32__ and=
=20
> > define UNICODE, and define __WXMSW__
> >=20
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=20
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Thank you Santiago, this information convinces me to learn wxWINDOWS
rather than than the WIN32 API.

 The biggest problem programmers have in my opinion is what new products
they should spend their time learning ? Things that reduce
program development time are priority #1 in my book.


--- Santiago Palmier Campos <San...@yd...> wrote:
> Hi Luis,
> 
> From my personal experience (I've been programming with MFC from some
> time
> ago [4-5 years]), what I can tell you is that programming wxWindows IS
> much
> EASIER than programming M$ MFC and/or win32 API. 
> 
> I've been using wxWindows for 6 months now, but I really think that it
> makes
> sense to use this library.
> 
> wxWindows classes are well structured, you are able to modify / extend
> them
> and you can contribute to improve the library by submitting your code to
> wxWindows development team. You are NOT forced to use doc/view apps even
> when there's no need for that programming structure, etc...
> 
> Please have also in mind that:
> 
> - 	wxWindows source is portable between M$ Windows and some UNIX
> flavours (Solaris, Linux,...)
> 	MFC / win32 API is NOT portable in any way.
> 
> - 	wxWindows source can be compiled with MinGW / M$ VC++ / Borland /
> etc...
> 	MFC can ONLY be compiled with M$ VC++
> 
> - 	some MFC code does NOT follow C/C++ 'good programming techniques'
> nor 'real' templates, etc...
> 		(take a look at MFC code, you'll find some goto's and much
> more ;o) 
> 	wxWindows IS pure C++ without 'shortcuts' ;oD
> 
> -	It is likely to happen that MFC became obsolete since .NET have born
> 	wxWindows will be 'alive' whenever people use it: we've got the
> sources!
> 
> Just my 2 cents!
> 
> ~Santy
> PS: I do not consider myself a 'guru', that's another reason why I like
> such
> a library like wxWindows: it makes my life easier!!!
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Louis Godio [mailto:lg...@ya...] 
> Sent: sábado, 19 de octubre de 2002 0:14
> To: Santiago Palmier Campos; dev-cpp-users-list
> Subject: RE: [Dev-C++] WxWINDOW
> 
> 
> Based on the Santiago's note, it seems like wxWindows is a lot of effort
> to
> set up correctly. Could someone experienced with wxWindows tell us if it
> is
> worth all this effort ?
> 
> 
> 
> --- Santiago Palmier Campos <San...@yd...> wrote:
> > Hi *,
> > 
> > If you don't use Dev-C++ package and you want to use wxWindows sources
> 
> > 'by yourself', there are only a few things you must do in order to use
> > wxWindows...
> > 
> > Download wxWindows sources (from http://wxwindows.sourceforge.net/),
> > download also 'extra.zip' file (from http://wxwindows.sourceforge.net/
> 
> > also, but only if you don't use MSYS from 
> > http://mingw.sourceforge.net/) and then,
> > FIRST OF ALL, please read the file: %WXWIN%/docs/msw/install.txt 
> > 
> > You'll find everything you'll need in order to install it!!!
> > 
> > Anyway here you have a 'Quick How To'...
> > 
> > Set a few environment variables:
> > 	WXWIN to the path where you decompressed wxWindows sources,
> > 	if needed, BISON_SIMPLE & BISON_HAIRY to the complete path to files
> > (complete/path/to/folder/plus/filename.extension)
> > 
> > Edit %WXWIN%\src\makeg95.env, search through the options and set them 
> > to the appropriate values to fit your system needs; I just changed the
> > following
> > ones (keep in mind that these are MY values for WinAPI & MinGW
> > installation
> > ;o):
> > 	MINGW32=1
> > 	MINGW32VERSION=3.2
> > 	YACC=bison
> > 	CPU=pentium4
> > 	COMPPATHS = -I"D:/WinAPI/include" -I"D:/MinGW/include"
> > 	Perhaps you may want to include these two also:
> > -I"D:/MinGW/include/sys" -I"D:/MinGW/include/c++/3.2"
> > 
> > ...And add the appropriate dirs to this one (keeping the original 
> > stuff, of
> > course):
> > 	LDFLAGS = (...original stuff...) -L"D:/MinGW/lib"  -L"D:/WinAPI/lib"
> > 
> > Then cd to %WXWIN%\src\msw and use make -f makefile.g95 clean / make 
> > -f makefile.g95 and wait... That's all!!! You'll have wxWindows ready 
> > to use (there are a few more options to use the
> > wxWindows DLL, so read the docs, please...)
> > 
> > You'll only need to use a makefile like the following one, you only 
> > have to modify 'OBJECTS' to fit your needs:
> > 	# Makefile for wxWindows (Mingw32).
> > 	# WXDIR = D:/wxWindows/v2.3.3
> > 
> > 	TARGET=MyApp
> > 	OBJECTS = $(TARGET).o MyFrame.o MyOtherStuff.o
> > 
> > 	include $(WXDIR)/src/makeprog.g95
> > 
> > Hope this helps
> > Santy
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Carlos García del Monte [mailto:cg...@wo...]
> > Sent: jueves, 17 de octubre de 2002 22:24
> > To: ma...@al...; dev-cpp-users-list
> > Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] WxWINDOW
> > 
> > 
> > Oh, sorry, I thought you got the package from dev home page, which is 
> > a devpak.
> > 
> > What I did was this: (having gcc[C:\Dev-Cpp\Bin] in the path)
> > 1- I unpacked it to C:\wxMSW
> > 2 - open command.exe
> > 3 - cd to C:\wxMSW\src
> > 4 - type make -f makefile.g95 and wait, then I ran over some of the 
> > other folders seeing that in all of them the result was "make nothing 
> > to be done
> > for all", so I gave it as built. Well, there were a couple of
> utilities
> > about dialog editor or something like that, I cd to there and make
> etc.
> > 
> > The bad news are that I never could make it work, except for the 
> > examples that were with it, which compiled fine, I tried some examples
> 
> > for
> > Dev-C++
> > and I couldn't compile any one.
> > 
> > The first you must do when making a project is define __GNUWIN32__ and
> 
> > define UNICODE, and define __WXMSW__
> > 
> > And a lot of compiler options, linker parameters... search in the dev 
> > mailing list, I don't remember when they answered me with all those 
> > options you must provide, more or less six or seven months ago or 
> > before.
> > 
> > 
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Ok, since it SEEMED to be easier I downloaded the DevPak from the dev hom=
e
page and tried the package install....

I got the message that WxWindows is dependent on "imagelib" to be present.
What is imagelib and how do I get it?

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: dev...@li...
[mailto:dev...@li...]On Behalf Of Carlos
Garc=EDa del Monte
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 1:24 PM
To: ma...@al...; dev-cpp-users-list
Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] WxWINDOW


Oh, sorry, I thought you got the package from dev home page, which is a
devpak.

What I did was this: (having gcc[C:\Dev-Cpp\Bin] in the path)
1- I unpacked it to C:\wxMSW
2 - open command.exe
3 - cd to C:\wxMSW\src
4 - type make -f makefile.g95 and wait, then I ran over some of the other
folders seeing that in all of them the result was "make nothing to be don=
e
for
all", so I gave it as built. Well, there were a couple of utilities about
dialog editor or something like that, I cd to there and make etc.

The bad news are that I never could make it work, except for the examples
that
were with it, which compiled fine, I tried some examples for Dev-C++ and =
I
couldn't compile any one.

The first you must do when making a project is define __GNUWIN32__ and
define
UNICODE, and define __WXMSW__

And a lot of compiler options, linker parameters... search in the dev
mailing
list, I don't remember when they answered me with all those options you m=
ust
provide, more or less six or seven months ago or before.



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Forget my last message.... I found the imagelib.DevPak on the dev resourc=
es
page.  Everything is installed now.

Mark

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From: dev...@li...
[mailto:dev...@li...]On Behalf Of Mark L.
Wise
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 9:20 AM
To: 'dev-cpp-users-list'
Subject: RE: [Dev-C++] WxWINDOW


Ok, since it SEEMED to be easier I downloaded the DevPak from the dev hom=
e
page and tried the package install....

I got the message that WxWindows is dependent on "imagelib" to be present.
What is imagelib and how do I get it?

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: dev...@li...
[mailto:dev...@li...]On Behalf Of Carlos
Garc=EDa del Monte
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 1:24 PM
To: ma...@al...; dev-cpp-users-list
Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] WxWINDOW


Oh, sorry, I thought you got the package from dev home page, which is a
devpak.

What I did was this: (having gcc[C:\Dev-Cpp\Bin] in the path)
1- I unpacked it to C:\wxMSW
2 - open command.exe
3 - cd to C:\wxMSW\src
4 - type make -f makefile.g95 and wait, then I ran over some of the other
folders seeing that in all of them the result was "make nothing to be don=
e
for
all", so I gave it as built. Well, there were a couple of utilities about
dialog editor or something like that, I cd to there and make etc.

The bad news are that I never could make it work, except for the examples
that
were with it, which compiled fine, I tried some examples for Dev-C++ and =
I
couldn't compile any one.

The first you must do when making a project is define __GNUWIN32__ and
define
UNICODE, and define __WXMSW__

And a lot of compiler options, linker parameters... search in the dev
mailing
list, I don't remember when they answered me with all those options you m=
ust
provide, more or less six or seven months ago or before.



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