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Hi my name is Mark,
I´m a electronic professor in Portugal and i am trying to build a witricity circuit,so i´m
asking you for help.
Can you ppl give some usefull links or made circuits.
Please help me
Thank you
MR
bit4bit
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:13 am Post subject:
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Do you have any specifications for it, or is it just as a demonstartion/experiment kind of
thing? For example, if you have a DC source, you would need an oscillator, since
electromagnetic induction only works with changing currents. If you need the output to
be DC, you will have to have a rectifier, smoothing caps, and voltage regs.
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No i dont have any specifications,it is just as a demonstartion/experiment.
And yes, i have a Dc source and an oscillator.
Thank you.
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The MIT researchers successfully demonstrated the ability to power a 60 watt light bulb
from a power source that was 2 meters (7 ft) away at roughly 40% efficiency. They used
two capacitively loaded copper coils, 60 centimeters (24 in) in diameter, oriented along
the same axis, The coils were designed to resonate together at 10 MHz. One was
connected inductively to a power source, the other to a bulb. The setup powered the bulb
on, even when the direct line of sight was blocked using a wooden panel. Aristeidis
Karalis says that "the usual non-resonant magnetic induction would be almost 1 million
times less efficient in this particular system".
Thats all I know
I got it from wikipedia
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I would love to build this as well. Tell me what you know about it Professor, PLEASE!
Am I right in assuming you make two similar copper coils, Kind of like what you use for
electromagnets and inductors?
If they resonate at the same frequency, then the power goes to the bulb, even when
something is placed between direct line of sight?
Is this right? If it is, Im gonna buy some copper wire! I'm hoping on testing this for my
self! Please post if this really is how it works! I Just hope we can get them both to
resonate at the same frequency
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:50 am Post subject:
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The principle of the system is electromagnetic induction, which has been around for ages,
and is used in transformers and radios, for example. The difference with this system, is
that it is able to tarnsfer power over larger distances, with more efficiency, using a
particular antenna design, called a magnetic loop antenna. Apparently (don't quote me on
this), these antennas concentrate the majority of the magnetic field produced, over some
particular direction, so that the power transfer has a fairly narrow band of view.
You would be looking to create a parallel or series resonant circuit, using a capacitance,
where the antenna itself would act as an inductance. next you can calculate the resonance
frequency for the circuit. (alternatively, you can know, your frequency, and inductance,
and calculate the capacitance needed). Then make sure your recieving circuit, which will
also be a parrallel resonant circuit, has the same resonant frequency, and it should work
well. then add in a rectifying/regulating stages id you want a DC output.
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:07 am Post subject:
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A DC input into this circuit would output in AC due to the nature of the inductor-like
antennae right?
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:21 am Post subject:
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No, to get an osillating signal, you need a feedback system, wehre you feed an amplifier
into a filter, and then feed the output of that back into the amplifier. To save yourself
having to do this, if it is just for experimentation purposes, it would probably be easier to
run it off the mains and use a step down transformer to give you a sinusoidal waveform
of whatever voltage you need.
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Baterries are dc. so then how do batteries create electromagnetic induction if you claim
that requires ac power as you say above?
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What induction do you refer to?
All currents have a magnetic field associated with them, including DC. However, an emf
is only induced when when the magnetic flux, and hence the current, through a conductor
is changing. An AC waveform is necessary, to maintian a changing current, and hence
induced voltage, and hence transfer of electric power.
The main equation for an inductor/coil is V=L*dI/dt
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SuperNatendo wrote:
Baterries are dc. so then how do batteries create electromagnetic induction if
you claim that requires ac power as you say above?
The way to make a-c out of d-c is with an inverter.
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I guess what I am asking then is light bulbs use AC or DC, so if they are AC and you are
using DC inputs (which I would much rather use!) you need to use this inverter before or
after you resonate the inductor that is connected to the lightbulb?
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SuperNatendo wrote:
I guess what I am asking then is light bulbs use AC or DC, so if they are AC
and you are using DC inputs (which I would much rather use!) you need to use
this inverter before or after you resonate the inductor that is connected to the
lightbulb?
Your source of power probably starts out as a-c, but if 60 Hz (or 50 in Europe) is not the
ideal frequency for your resonant circuit, you might have to rectify it to d-c then invert it
at the transmission frequency. If that is not the right frequency for your end use, you
would have to have a rectifier or rectifier/inverter at the other end.
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:33 am Post subject:
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I agee with Harold. It's all about using basic circuit building blocks and putting them
together in whatever order to perform different 'operations' on your signal as needed. In
this case those are namely rectifying/inverting circuits.
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Hello Mark .. Sir, please help me out to build the circuit.. Pls give me the component
specification else give me a link that contains it.. awaiting your reply
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Doesn't it strike anyone as odd that an Electronics Professor needs help with a relatively
simple concept?
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02-22-2009, 12:49 PM
Hello,
Here is an article from the wiki:
[Link]
Greetings,
Bertus
_______________________________________________________________________
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Hello,
Take care with Tesla coils, THEY CAN BE DANGEROUS:
Tesla Coils are very Dangerous! You should NOT build or operate one without being
aware of the risks.
[Link] Electrocution
Mains voltages, 110V or 240V can kill you! Everyday household appliances are built
with protection, fuses and earth wires. The control systems for your coil must also be
designed and built with fuses and earthing - all exposed metal MUST be earthed and a
correctly rated fuse MUST be fitted.
High Voltages present in the NST, tank capacitor, spark gap and primary coil can kill
you! Never touch these components when mains power is ON! Even after power is
disconnected do NOT touch until you are sure the tank capacitor is fully discharged.
Streamer Strikes!
Direct strikes from a running coil can kill! Watch out for secondary strikes too - a strike
to a metal structure will flow internally and may exit the structure at a point near you!
[Link] Fire
Be aware of the possibility of Fire. Never run a coil near flamable substances. The output
streamers can travel through wood and heat it up to the point of ignition.
[Link] Health Risk
Electrical discharges in air cause chemical reactions which produce toxic gasses such as
ozone and oxides of carbon and nitrogen. Prolonged exposure to these gasses can cause
irritation to the lining of the lungs and to eyes. Never operate your coil in a confined
space without suitable ventilation.
Spark gaps produce a lot UV radiation. Never stare at a running gap.
Pacemakers can be affected by the Electromagnetic Fieldgenerated around a Tesla Coil.
Follow your manufacturer's advice and keep clear.
[Link] Noise
Tesla Coils are Very Loud! Wear suitable ear protection.
[Link] Accidents
Play safe! Don't operate your coil in cramped conditions. Give yourself and spectators
plenty or room. Don't leave cables where you could trip over them.
[Link] Caution
Tesla Coils generate an Electromagnetic Field which can induce electrical currents to
flow in nearby conductors. Do NOT run your coil in the vicinity of electronic equipment
(e.g. computers, camcorders, house wiring etc).
Spark gaps and streamer strikes can cause EMI (ElectroMagnetic Interference) on TV
and radio broadcasts. Think about your neighbours - they may complain if their favorite
TV show is interfered with!
EMI can flow back through your transformer and control circuits and into the domestic
supply. Electrical equipment can be damaged this way so use a mains filter.
Greetings,
Bertus
PS this text is made by deepfriedneon
