Naming roads/streets in Queensland, Australia

[BrackoNe]

Thanks to Land & Spatial Information, Dept of Natural Resources Mines and Energy, Queensland, we are able to properly name the road/street network in Queensland, Australia.

Land & Spatial Information recognized the power of OpenStreetMap and after all real-life issues they had (bushfires, COVID-19), they agreed that their current license is sufficient for naming the roads/streets in that territory.

The process itself does not include any import.
We will use their vector map as a base map, and editors will name the roads according to the base map. If there is a coverage of Mapillary or OpenStreetCam, or any change made by local mapper differs gov data, we will double check it and contact the user if it is necessary.

Letter is attached to this post:

[FrakGart]

You have misunderstood what they have said. They are saying that they will not sign the required waiver. As a result you are not allowed to use it in OpenStreetMap. This has been discussed multiple times on the talk-au list, the last time was in September 2019:

https://www.mail-archive.com/talk-au@openstreetmap.org/msg12284.html

[tastrax]

Alas, not able to be used in OSM

https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/03/17/use-of-cc-by-data/

[govindhh]

Thanks for the comments. The letter above from the government officials has been reviewed by our legal team at Microsoft, deeming this acceptable use.

[FrakGart]

@govindhh that's great to hear. The next step is for you to pass that advice onto the LWG and see if you can get them to agree. After that, an email to the talk-au mail list explaining that you are planning this import would be nice (as required by the import guidelines)

[tastrax]

You might also consider halting this map roulette challenge until the legal working group for OSM has indicated that the data is in fact OK to use in OSM

https://maproulette.org/browse/challenges/13837

[andrewharvey]

Thanks @BrackoNe for posting the letter here, since you posted I also reached out to the LWG to confirm their advice, and the feedback I've received from LWG was along the lines of

This letter is the equivalent of a waiver and it demonstrates that:

[Queensland Goverenment] do not believe there is incompatibility between CC-BY 4.0 and ODbL, and thus their data can be used for OSM.

CC-BY is a contract between the licensor (Queensland) and the licensee (everyone else) so if the licensor interprets certain ambiguous clauses in it a certain way and states so in writing, then I think we can rely on that.

So based on this feedback from the LWG I think this sufficiently covers DNRM's use of CC BY 4.0 data in OSM.

[simonpoole]

Could we all hold the horses? The LWG has not voiced a formal opinion on this yet.

[andrewharvey]

Could we all hold the horses? The LWG has not voiced a formal opinion on this yet.

Sorry @simonpoole!

[govindhh]

All good inputs. Thanks everyone for the guidance. Putting a pause on this work.

[simonpoole]

The LWG is trying to clear this all up by spelling out exactly what we believe compatibility with the ODbL entails and that our understanding of their statement allows us to do, just so that we don't end up with a bad case of sour grapes if they didn't actually grasp the situation completely, that wouldn't help anybody. @BrackoNe would it be possible to forward me (simon@osmfoundation.org) your contact?

[BrackoNe]

@simonpoole I have sent you an email.

[simonpoole]

@BrackoNe received, thanks.

[Fizzie41]

Do we have any updates on this, thanks?

[simonpoole]

Do we have any updates on this, thanks?

The LWG (that I'm not longer a member of since end of October last year) should have contacted MS about the result of the discussion. After some delay we received what I believe was a very clear "No" from the relevant department. The LWG may have other thoughts on this, and my answer should not be taken as the LWGs position on the matter.

[kathleenlu09]

I have confirmed with MS that the map roulette challenge was archived last year.