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John Azzarello
From: John Farmer
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:18 AM
To: John Azzarello; Dana Hyde; Kevin Shaeffer; Miles Kara; Geoff Brown
Subject: NEADS VISIT
All ~ My apologies for not getting to the weekend e mails until late; I have been getting caught up on
the NEADS tapes and MFRs. I offer the following late-night observations on our visit:
1) We have to use witnesses to clean up and clarify the transcripts, or we will be relying on an
extremely sloppy primary source record. This may require lengthy sessions with some witnesses (the ID
techs, for instance) simply to identify voices (in truth, to do this "right" we could probably spend two
weeks at NEADS). In any event, at some point the documentary record of the Commission will be
scrutinized closely, and we need to keep that in mind.
2) The new ground rules will be ignored; we should have with us a copy of the ground rules already
agreed to with DOJ.
3) Speaking of new ground rules: Having spent the weekend immersed in the contrast between what
actually occurred and the way it has been presented to the public, I am persuaded that Col. Marr — and
perhaps others who have been part of the public presentation (Dooley and Sanderson come to mind) —
should be interviewed under oath. I know what the reaction will be when I raise this — that our enabling
statute requires that a Commissioner be present to administer the oath ~ but I'm wondering whether that
is really true. I plan to look into it tomorrow a.m.; in any event, I am going to raise the issue, and I have
reason to believe that at least one commissioner may be willing/able to make the trip if it proves
necessary.
4) I am intrigued by the e mail Dana is sending up between FAA, CONR, and NEADS re briefing the
White House. One of the lines of questioning I plan to pursue with Col Marr will be his input to the
early explanations of what occurred, beginning with Gen. Myers's Congressional testimony the week of
9/11, in which he professed involvement in virtually every important defense decision, and then
completely botched the scramble story. Marr is critical to understanding the evolution of the
administration's defense of its actions on 9/11.
5) My flight arrives at 9:30 Tuesday. If you want to spend the early a.m. gaining an understanding of
the floor, that will be fine with me. I am flexible as to the remainder of the week, but will not be
surprised if the order in which witnesses are interviewed/available becomes an issue.
6) When you are all assembled, please give me a call; I'm thinking 4:30-5:00 should work. I should be
reachable at home or on cell.
John
1/19/2004
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John Azzarello
From: Dana Hyde Sent:Sun 1/18/2004 5:13 PM
To: John Farmer; John Azzarello; Kevin Shaeffer; Miles Kara
Cc:
Subject: Documents for NEADS trip
Attachments:
All-
I have looked through the recent NEADS deliveries relevant to Document Req. 4, and in
the process went back over some of the other materials we've received. The net of it is I'm
sending with Kevin in the classified courier bag the following docs:
(1) The first couple of pages of the following four Chat Logs:
DOO Chat Log (Bates 16070)
b. CONR Chat Log (Bates 16005)
c. CONR Consolidated Ops Chat Log (Bates 15939)
f** fc*fc*£hat Log (Bates 53160)
The latter appears to be a new delivery; the first three we've had in the LAN since the
summer. NEADS is an active participant in all 4 Chat logs. Each of them places a time on
important decisions such as ROE, shoot down, situational awareness re hijacked aircraft. I
suggest we identify the human being at NEADs that contributed to each of these logs and
question him/her about the important entries. In my mind the logs are important not just for
what they say, but for what they don't say. For example, Azz has postulated that NEADS
didn't know about 93 until close to 10 am and then by accident. Nothing in any of these
logs reveals knowledge of 93 before that time, which provides compelling support for his
theory. Anyway, now that we know so much more the chat logs make some sense and
provide very useful data points.
(2) An email from NEADS Director of Ops to CONR, etc on 9/17 (Bates 53404-05)
This is a somewhat provocative exchange in which the FAA is asking NEADS for info about
which of its centers did what in order to brief the White House. It supports the Azz theory
http://exchange.9-11 commission.gov/exchange/j azzarello/Inbox/Documents%20for%20N... 1/19/2004
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that Boston told NEADS about 77.
(3) 3 pages of notes identifying and summarizing issues relevant to NORAD's
response (Bates 53401-03)
The first question is whose notes these are; my guess would be Marr. Anyway, this is a
helpful document - a sort of handwritten after-action review ~ that gives rise to lots of
questions.
In terms of my stack, this is all that I see relevant to the trip. Good luck! Dana
