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Spectrum Analysis Using Staad.Pro V8i

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sharathkn

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Posted:MonFeb11,201312:37pmPostsubject:SpectrumAnalysisUsingStaad.ProV8i

Hi,
Ihaveafewurgentqueries,regardingthespectrumanalysisusingStaad.Prov8i,
asfollows:

Joined:10Jun2011
Posts:17

1.firstiwouldliketoknowwhileinloadcaseforSeismicSpectrum,whetherselfweightforyisonly
enough,orforalldirectionsitshouldbeapplied.Alsothemaximumforceasappliedonthenodes
shallbeonlyapplyforonedirection,sayXtogetherwithresponsespectrum,oralsoithastobe
againapplyfordefiningresponsespectrumforzdirectionalso.
2.Alsoiwouldliketoknow,whetherdesigningcommandcanbefollowedaftertheanalysishasbeen
doneinthesamestaadfile,oraseparatefilehastobecreatedwheretheseinterpretedforcesshould
beappliedasanaxialforceforeachnodesforcarryingoutthedesignoftheframe

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nssenthilkumaran
SEFIMember

Joined:27Oct2010
Posts:2

Posted:TueFeb12,20137:53amPostsubject:SpectrumAnalysisUsingStaad.ProV8i

DearSefian,

Hereismyreplytothequeries.Ifiamincorrect,othersmaycorrectme.

1)InSTAADPro,wedonothaveanoptionofdefiningmasselementswhichareneddedforthe
Spectrumanalysis.
Sowhatwegenerallydois,firstapplytheDl+0.5LLonthestructure,Secondlyapplypinned
supportstoallthenodes,analyseandgettheverticalforceineachnodeandapplytheforceinallthe
threedirectionsforthecorrespondingnodeintheresponsespectrumloadcase.

IfyourDLcasedoesnthaveselfweightinit,Youwillhavetoapplyitalongwiththeabovementioned
forcesinallthethreedirections,i.e)selfweighty1,selfweightx1,selfweightz1.

IfyourDLcasealreadyhasselfweightinit,youdontneedtoseperatelyspecifyselfweightcommand
inthespectrumloadcase.Ihopeiamclear.Thereasonforapplyingallforcesinallthethree
directionsisbecausethemasscalculatedatthenode(doneinternallyinSTAAD)mustbeappliedinall
threedirectionsinordertoprovideinertialforces.

2)Asforyoursecondquery,itispossibletogivethedesigncommandaftertheresponsespectrum
analysisinSTAAD.Butiwouldnotrecommendit.Becauseincaseofspectrumanalysis,theforces
ofallthemodesaresummedupusingtheSRSS(sumofsquarerootofsquares)method.and
becauseofthisthesignsofthebendingmomentswouldbelosti.e)ifyouseetheBendingmoment
valuesforthespectrumcase,allthevalueswouldbepositive.

Thismayleadtooverdesignofsomesectionsandunfortunatelyunderdesignofsomesections.What
iwouldrecommendisfindtheVb(Baseshear)valuesofdominantmodes(modesinwhich
considerableamountofmassesparticipate),sumitupandthendistributeittoeachnodeusingthe
formulainequivalentstaticmethod.Thenapplytheforces(nodalforcesstatic)ineachdirectionasa

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seperateloadcaseandanalyseandobtaintheresults.

Theforcesobtainedintheabovementionedmethodcanbeusedforthedesign.

Regars,

N.S.SenthilKumaran.
StructuralEngineer,
Tamilnadu,
India

OnMon,Feb11,2013at6:07PM,sharathkn<[email protected]([email protected])>wrote:
Quote:
Hi,
Ihaveafewurgentqueries,regardingthespectrumanalysisusingStaad.Prov8i,
asfollows:
1.firstiwouldliketoknowwhileinloadcaseforSeismicSpectrum,whetherselfweightfory
isonlyenough,orforalldirectionsitshouldbeapplied.Alsothemaximumforceasapplied
onthenodesshallbeonlyapplyforonedirection,sayXtogetherwithresponsespectrum,
oralsoithastobeagainapplyfordefiningresponsespectrumforzdirectionalso.
2.Alsoiwouldliketoknow,whetherdesigningcommandcanbefollowedaftertheanalysis
hasbeendoneinthesamestaadfile,oraseparatefilehastobecreatedwherethese
interpretedforcesshouldbeappliedasanaxialforceforeachnodesforcarryingoutthe
designoftheframe

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nrupenyadahalli
SEFIMember

Posted:WedFeb13,20135:57amPostsubject:SpectrumAnalysisUsingStaad.ProV8i

Hi,
Joined:09Sep2009
Posts:17

IfyouareusingSRSSmethodforthisinSTAADthenSW&othermasshastobedefinedinall3
orthogonaldirections.Sinceonecantunderstandcompletebehavourofmodeshapeswithmass
participatinginall3directions...

MaybeIS1893part1&4mayhelpuonmassparticipationinXY&Znmodeshape.

Nrupen
OnMon,Feb11,2013at6:07PM,sharathkn<[email protected]([email protected])>wrote:
Quote:
Hi,
Ihaveafewurgentqueries,regardingthespectrumanalysisusingStaad.Prov8i,
asfollows:
1.firstiwouldliketoknowwhileinloadcaseforSeismicSpectrum,whetherselfweightfory
isonlyenough,orforalldirectionsitshouldbeapplied.Alsothemaximumforceasapplied
onthenodesshallbeonlyapplyforonedirection,sayXtogetherwithresponsespectrum,
oralsoithastobeagainapplyfordefiningresponsespectrumforzdirectionalso.
2.Alsoiwouldliketoknow,whetherdesigningcommandcanbefollowedaftertheanalysis
hasbeendoneinthesamestaadfile,oraseparatefilehastobecreatedwherethese
interpretedforcesshouldbeappliedasanaxialforceforeachnodesforcarryingoutthe
designoftheframe

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va
...

Posted:WedFeb13,201310:30amPostsubject:SpectrumAnalysisUsingStaad.ProV8i

DearAll,
<![if!supportLists]>1)<![endif]>InthelatestversionofSTAADproV8iselectseries4thereisa
provisiontoprovideareferencemassloadcase.Thismasswillbeusedduringdynamicanalysis.
<![if!supportLists]>2)<![endif]>Secondly,thereisafacilitytoattachasignofdominantmodeto
theresultsofresponsespectrumanalysiswhichareotherwiseabsolutevalues.
Regards.
Joined:26Jan2003
Posts:59

HemantVadalkar,ConsultingEngineer
STADDEngineersMumbai

From:nssenthilkumaran[mailto:[email protected]]
Sent:Wednesday,February13,20133:40PM
To:[email protected]
Subject:[SEFI]Re:SpectrumAnalysisUsingStaad.ProV8i

DearSefian,
Hereismyreplytothequeries.Ifiamincorrect,othersmaycorrectme.
1)InSTAADPro,wedonothaveanoptionofdefiningmasselementswhichareneddedforthe
Spectrumanalysis.
Sowhatwegenerallydois,firstapplytheDl+0.5LLonthestructure,Secondlyapplypinned
supportstoallthenodes,analyseandgettheverticalforceineachnodeandapplytheforceinallthe
threedirectionsforthecorrespondingnodeintheresponsespectrumloadcase.
IfyourDLcasedoesnthaveselfweightinit,Youwillhavetoapplyitalongwiththeabovementioned
forcesinallthethreedirections,i.e)selfweighty1,selfweightx1,selfweightz1.
IfyourDLcasealreadyhasselfweightinit,youdontneedtoseperatelyspecifyselfweightcommand
inthespectrumloadcase.Ihopeiamclear.Thereasonforapplyingallforcesinallthethree
directionsisbecausethemasscalculatedatthenode(doneinternallyinSTAAD)mustbeappliedinall
threedirectionsinordertoprovideinertialforces.
2)Asforyoursecondquery,itispossibletogivethedesigncommandaftertheresponsespectrum
analysisinSTAAD.Butiwouldnotrecommendit.Becauseincaseofspectrumanalysis,theforcesof
allthemodesaresummedupusingtheSRSS(sumofsquarerootofsquares)method.andbecause
ofthisthesignsofthebendingmomentswouldbelosti.e)ifyouseetheBendingmomentvaluesfor
thespectrumcase,allthevalueswouldbepositive.
Thismayleadtooverdesignofsomesectionsandunfortunatelyunderdesignofsomesections.What
iwouldrecommendisfindtheVb(Baseshear)valuesofdominantmodes(modesinwhich
considerableamountofmassesparticipate),sumitupandthendistributeittoeachnodeusingthe
formulainequivalentstaticmethod.Thenapplytheforces(nodalforcesstatic)ineachdirectionasa
seperateloadcaseandanalyseandobtaintheresults.
Theforcesobtainedintheabovementionedmethodcanbeusedforthedesign.
Regars,
N.S.SenthilKumaran.
StructuralEngineer,
Tamilnadu,
India

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Posted:ThuFeb14,201311:45amPostsubject:

Hi,earlierIaskedafewqueriesonresponsespectrumanalysisinstaad.pro.thankyouforresponse.
Keepinginmind,Ifollowedthebelowmentionedsteps,kindlycorrectitwhereeverIwentwrong,as
Imdoingitfirsttime.
1)TakingacombinationofDL+0.5LLinstaad.proandassigningeverybeamcolumnjunction
Joined:10Jun2011
Posts:17

nodeasFixedSupport,Ifoundoutthejointweights.
2)Inanotherstaadfileofthesamemodel,Ifirstassignedthesejointweightsunderseismic
definition.AfterthatIcreated1stloadcasesasspectrumXinwhichItookthemaximumwhichis
theFyjointloadandassigneditforX,Y&ZdirectiontogetherwiththeresponsespectrumloadUsing
IS1893andCQCmethodforXdirection.
Thenafter,Icreated2ndloadcaseasspectrumZinwhichIonlyassignedtheresponsespectrum
loadforZdirection.
AfterthisIcreatedloadcasesforDeadLoadinwhichselfweightiny(1)hasbeenassigned,Live
loadsandLoadCombinations.
3)AfterthisIneedtoknow,howtointerpretthePeakstoryshear,modalbaseactionand
participationfactorsfromtheoutputofthestaadanalysissoastocalculatethenassignthelateral
forcesoneachnodeoneachstoreyinXandZdirectionina3rdstaadfileofthesamemodel,tocarry
outtheequivalentstaticearthquakeanalysis.
_________________
KNSharath

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shivrajekadam
GeneralSponsor

Posted:ThuFeb14,20133:06pmPostsubject:SpectrumAnalysisUsingStaad.ProV8i

DearSenthil,
Ihavegonethroughurreply,iagreedwithuropinionasfarasfirst
pointisconsideredbutnotwiththesecondcase.
2)Ifurdoingdynamicanalysisofbuildinganduraddingallthe
Joined:30Dec2012
Posts:8
Location:Mumbai.

responsesusinganyoneofmodalcombinationmethodi.eCQC,SRSSor
ABS,allmemberforcessignedisgettinglostduetosquarerootand
squaringoperationbuttosatisfythisconditionweareconsidering
allloadcombinationsgivenin1893:2002(24numbers),Sourstructural
memberdesignisalwaysonaconservativeside.Butifurfoundation
israftfoundationorcombinedfoundattionthenuneedtobringback
thesignesofreactionsforaccurateanalysisotherwiseurfdndesign
maybeeitherconseravativeorunderdesign.Secondlyasfarasmy
knowledgeitisnotpossibletodistributetheloadateachandevery
nodebyusingformulegiveninequivalentstaticmethodbecauseudo
notknowthemassparticipationatthatnodeinthatmode.
Regards,
ShivrajKadam.

On2/13/13,nssenthilkumaran<[email protected]>wrote:
Quote:
DearSefian,
Hereismyreplytothequeries.Ifiamincorrect,othersmaycorrectme.
1)InSTAADPro,wedonothaveanoptionofdefiningmasselementswhich
areneddedfortheSpectrumanalysis.
Sowhatwegenerallydois,firstapplytheDl+0.5LLonthestructure,
Secondlyapplypinnedsupportstoallthenodes,analyseandgetthe
verticalforceineachnodeandapplytheforceinallthethreedirections
forthecorrespondingnodeintheresponsespectrumloadcase.
IfyourDLcasedoesnthaveselfweightinit,Youwillhavetoapplyit
alongwiththeabovementionedforcesinallthethreedirections,i.e)
selfweighty1,selfweightx1,selfweightz1.

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IfyourDLcasealreadyhasselfweightinit,youdontneedtoseperately
specifyselfweightcommandinthespectrumloadcase.Ihopeiamclear.The
reasonforapplyingallforcesinallthethreedirectionsisbecausethe
masscalculatedatthenode(doneinternallyinSTAAD)mustbeappliedinall
threedirectionsinordertoprovideinertialforces.
2)Asforyoursecondquery,itispossibletogivethedesigncommandafter
theresponsespectrumanalysisinSTAAD.Butiwouldnotrecommendit.
Becauseincaseofspectrumanalysis,theforcesofallthemodesaresummed
upusingtheSRSS(sumofsquarerootofsquares)method.andbecauseof
thisthesignsofthebendingmomentswouldbelosti.e)ifyouseethe
Bendingmomentvaluesforthespectrumcase,allthevalueswouldbe
positive.
Thismayleadtooverdesignofsomesectionsandunfortunatelyunderdesign
ofsomesections.WhatiwouldrecommendisfindtheVb(Baseshear)values
ofdominantmodes(modesinwhichconsiderableamountofmassesparticipate),
sumitupandthendistributeittoeachnodeusingtheformulain
equivalentstaticmethod.Thenapplytheforces(nodalforcesstatic)in
eachdirectionasaseperateloadcaseandanalyseandobtaintheresults.
Theforcesobtainedintheabovementionedmethodcanbeusedforthe
design.
Regars,
N.S.SenthilKumaran.
StructuralEngineer,
Tamilnadu,
India

OnMon,Feb11,2013at6:07PM,sharathkn<[email protected]
([email protected])>wrote:
Quote:
Hi,
Ihaveafewurgentqueries,regardingthespectrumanalysisusing
Staad.Prov8i,
asfollows:
1.firstiwouldliketoknowwhileinloadcaseforSeismicSpectrum,
whetherselfweightforyisonlyenough,orforalldirectionsitshould
beapplied.Alsothemaximumforceasappliedonthenodesshallbeonly
applyforonedirection,sayXtogetherwithresponsespectrum,oralso
ithastobeagainapplyfordefiningresponsespectrumforzdirection
also.
2.Alsoiwouldliketoknow,whetherdesigningcommandcanbefollowed
aftertheanalysishasbeendoneinthesamestaadfile,oraseparate
filehastobecreatedwheretheseinterpretedforcesshouldbeappliedas
anaxialforceforeachnodesforcarryingoutthedesignoftheframe

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arvind_kumar49
SEFIMember

Joined:13Mar2011
Posts:17

Posted:FriFeb15,20136:20pmPostsubject:SpectrumAnalysisUsingStaad.ProV8i

Thereisneedtoclarifythatmassinallthethreedirectionsshouldnotbeappliedsimultaneously.
e.g.forseismicinXdirectionapplymassinXdirection..
OnWed,Feb13,2013at3:39PM,nssenthilkumaran<[email protected]([email protected])>
wrote:
[quote]DearSefian,

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Hereismyreplytothequeries.Ifiamincorrect,othersmaycorrectme.

1)InSTAADPro,wedonothaveanoptionofdefiningmasselementswhichareneddedforthe
Spectrumanalysis.
Sowhatwegenerallydois,firstapplytheDl+0.5LLonthestructure,Secondlyapplypinned
supportstoallthenodes,analyseandgettheverticalforceineachnodeandapplytheforceinallthe
threedirectionsforthecorrespondingnodeintheresponsespectrumloadcase.

IfyourDLcasedoesnthaveselfweightinit,Youwillhavetoapplyitalongwiththeabovementioned
forcesinallthethreedirections,i.e)selfweighty1,selfweightx1,selfweightz1.

IfyourDLcasealreadyhasselfweightinit,youdontneedtoseperatelyspecifyselfweightcommand
inthespectrumloadcase.Ihopeiamclear.Thereasonforapplyingallforcesinallthethree
directionsisbecausethemasscalculatedatthenode(doneinternallyinSTAAD)mustbeappliedinall
threedirectionsinordertoprovideinertialforces.

2)Asforyoursecondquery,itispossibletogivethedesigncommandaftertheresponsespectrum
analysisinSTAAD.Butiwouldnotrecommendit.Becauseincaseofspectrumanalysis,theforces
ofallthemodesaresummedupusingtheSRSS(sumofsquarerootofsquares)method.and
becauseofthisthesignsofthebendingmomentswouldbelosti.e)ifyouseetheBendingmoment
valuesforthespectrumcase,allthevalueswouldbepositive.

Thismayleadtooverdesignofsomesectionsandunfortunatelyunderdesignofsomesections.What
iwouldrecommendisfindtheVb(Baseshear)valuesofdominantmodes(modesinwhich
considerableamountofmassesparticipate),sumitupandthendistributeittoeachnodeusingthe
formulainequivalentstaticmethod.Thenapplytheforces(nodalforcesstatic)ineachdirectionasa
seperateloadcaseandanalyseandobtaintheresults.

Theforcesobtainedintheabovementionedmethodcanbeusedforthedesign.

Regars,

N.S.SenthilKumaran.
StructuralEngineer,
Tamilnadu,
India

OnMon,Feb11,2013at6:07PM,[email protected]([email protected]))>wrote:
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prof.arc
...

Posted:SatFeb16,201312:46amPostsubject:SpectrumAnalysisUsingStaad.ProV8i

Iamnotcommentingontheuseofcommercialsoftwareasitisthe
practicenowadaystousethemratherthantowriteapplication
softwarebytheuseritself.
useofSRSShaspitfallsbecausethe"sign"islost
ifyourefertoBISHandbookonIS:1893,theproblemisexplainedin
Joined:26Jan2003
Posts:648

thechapteronstacklikestructurestwodifferentshapesaregiven
forshearforceandbendingmomentalongtheheight.
inmodalcombinations,NEVERUSESRSSforcombinationofmodalstresses
alsodonotuseSRSStofirstobtainLOADSandthenderiveshears&
bendingmoments
fromthatcombinedLoaddiagram
Lesserevilistocombinemodalshearsandmodalmomentsseparately
ihadalwayspreferredtodotimehistoryanalysiswherethe"SIGN"ispreserved
Protectiontotheanalystliesinfollowingthecodalprovisionseven
thoughsuchprovisionsmaybetheoreticallywrong!!
ARC

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On2/15/13,shivrajekadam<[email protected]>wrote:
Quote:
DearSenthil,
Ihavegonethroughurreply,iagreedwithuropinionasfarasfirst
pointisconsideredbutnotwiththesecondcase.
2)Ifurdoingdynamicanalysisofbuildinganduraddingallthe
responsesusinganyoneofmodalcombinationmethodi.eCQC,SRSSor
ABS,allmemberforcessignedisgettinglostduetosquarerootand
squaringoperationbuttosatisfythisconditionweareconsidering
allloadcombinationsgivenin1893:2002(24numbers),Sourstructural
memberdesignisalwaysonaconservativeside.Butifurfoundation
israftfoundationorcombinedfoundattionthenuneedtobringback
thesignesofreactionsforaccurateanalysisotherwiseurfdndesign
maybeeitherconseravativeorunderdesign.Secondlyasfarasmy
knowledgeitisnotpossibletodistributetheloadateachandevery
nodebyusingformulegiveninequivalentstaticmethodbecauseudo
notknowthemassparticipationatthatnodeinthatmode.
Regards,
ShivrajKadam.

On2/13/13,nssenthilkumaran<[email protected]>wrote:
Quote:
DearSefian,
Hereismyreplytothequeries.Ifiamincorrect,othersmaycorrect
me.
1)InSTAADPro,wedonothaveanoptionofdefiningmasselementswhich
areneddedfortheSpectrumanalysis.
Sowhatwegenerallydois,firstapplytheDl+0.5LLonthe
structure,
Secondlyapplypinnedsupportstoallthenodes,analyseandgetthe
verticalforceineachnodeandapplytheforceinallthethree
directions
forthecorrespondingnodeintheresponsespectrumloadcase.
IfyourDLcasedoesnthaveselfweightinit,Youwillhavetoapplyit
alongwiththeabovementionedforcesinallthethreedirections,i.e)
selfweighty1,selfweightx1,selfweightz1.
IfyourDLcasealreadyhasselfweightinit,youdontneedtoseperately
specifyselfweightcommandinthespectrumloadcase.Ihopeiamclear.
The
reasonforapplyingallforcesinallthethreedirectionsisbecausethe
masscalculatedatthenode(doneinternallyinSTAAD)mustbeappliedin
all
threedirectionsinordertoprovideinertialforces.
2)Asforyoursecondquery,itispossibletogivethedesigncommand
after
theresponsespectrumanalysisinSTAAD.Butiwouldnotrecommendit.
Becauseincaseofspectrumanalysis,theforcesofallthemodesare
summed
upusingtheSRSS(sumofsquarerootofsquares)method.andbecauseof
thisthesignsofthebendingmomentswouldbelosti.e)ifyouseethe
Bendingmomentvaluesforthespectrumcase,allthevalueswouldbe
positive.
Thismayleadtooverdesignofsomesectionsandunfortunatelyunder
design
ofsomesections.WhatiwouldrecommendisfindtheVb(Baseshear)
values
ofdominantmodes(modesinwhichconsiderableamountofmasses
participate),
sumitupandthendistributeittoeachnodeusingtheformulain
equivalentstaticmethod.Thenapplytheforces(nodalforcesstatic)
in
eachdirectionasaseperateloadcaseandanalyseandobtainthe
results.
Theforcesobtainedintheabovementionedmethodcanbeusedforthe
design.
Regars,
N.S.SenthilKumaran.
StructuralEngineer,
Tamilnadu,
India

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OnMon,Feb11,2013at6:07PM,sharathkn<[email protected]
([email protected])>wrote:

Quote:
Hi,
Ihaveafewurgentqueries,regardingthespectrumanalysisusing
Staad.Prov8i,
asfollows:
1.firstiwouldliketoknowwhileinloadcaseforSeismicSpectrum,
whetherselfweightforyisonlyenough,orforalldirectionsit
should
beapplied.Alsothemaximumforceasappliedonthenodesshallbe
only
applyforonedirection,sayXtogetherwithresponsespectrum,or
also
ithastobeagainapplyfordefiningresponsespectrumforzdirection
also.
2.Alsoiwouldliketoknow,whetherdesigningcommandcanbe
followed
aftertheanalysishasbeendoneinthesamestaadfile,oraseparate
filehastobecreatedwheretheseinterpretedforcesshouldbeapplied
as
anaxialforceforeachnodesforcarryingoutthedesignoftheframe

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sudippaul

SEFIMember

Posted:SatFeb16,20134:39pmPostsubject:SpectrumAnalysisUsingStaad.ProV8i

DearSefians,
Pls.gothroughthe"SIGN"and"DOMINANT"commandin"STAAD".Itwillprovidetheresponsesout

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Posts:1

ofamodalcombinationwithsignofthedominantmodeorwithsigngovernedbythesignofthe
dominantmodes.

Further,somewhereinSTAAD,Ireadthatbydefaultthemodalcombinationruleautomatically
changesinternallyfromSRSStoCSMandfromCSMtoCQC,dependingontheclosenessofthe
modes,somaybeknowinglyorunknowingly,thebestcombinationrulewillbefollowed..butthe
sameshallbechecked...

Timehistoryanalysisisnotalwaysrequiredfornormalcivilengineeringstructures.....afrequency
domainapproachwitheitherfewmodesorafullfledgedresponsespectrumanalysisismorethan
enough....

Regards

Dr.S.Paul,Manager,Struc.Engg.Dept.,
EngineersIndiaLtd.,
1BCP,ND66

Ihadalwayspreferredtodotimehistoryanalysiswherethe"SIGN"ispreservedFurther,
On16February201312:11,prof.arc<[email protected]([email protected])>wrote:
[quote]Iamnotcommentingontheuseofcommercialsoftwareasitisthe
practicenowadaystousethemratherthantowriteapplication
softwarebytheuseritself.

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useofSRSShaspitfallsbecausethe"sign"islost
ifyourefertoBISHandbookonIS:1893,theproblemisexplainedin
thechapteronstacklikestructurestwodifferentshapesaregiven
forshearforceandbendingmomentalongtheheight.
inmodalcombinations,NEVERUSESRSSforcombinationofmodalstresses
alsodonotuseSRSStofirstobtainLOADSandthenderiveshears&
bendingmoments
fromthatcombinedLoaddiagram
Lesserevilistocombinemodalshearsandmodalmomentsseparately
ihadalwayspreferredtodotimehistoryanalysiswherethe"SIGN"ispreserved
Protectiontotheanalystliesinfollowingthecodalprovisionseven
thoughsuchprovisionsmaybetheoreticallywrong!!
ARC

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nssenthilkumaran
SEFIMember

Posted:MonFeb18,20136:42amPostsubject:SpectrumAnalysisUsingStaad.ProV8i

Dearshivraj,
Joined:27Oct2010
Posts:2

Iconcurwithprof.arc'sreply.Whatimeantby'signswouldbelost'isthatthebendingmoment
variation,shearforcevariationetcacrossthespanofthememberwouldbelost.I.e,therewouldnot
benegativemomentsatsupportsorpositivemomentsatthespan.Allthemomentvalueswouldbe
positiveforthemember.Sotherealvariationwillnotbecapturedifweusesrss.
Andthereisaformulafordistributingthebasesheartodifferentfloorsineq.Staticmethodin1893
code.Wehavetosubstitutetheahwiththeresponsespectrumsaccelerationcoeffecient
correspondingtothefrequencyofthemodeconsideredandtheweightateachfloorlevelcanbe
replacedbyweightateachnode.OnFeb16,201312:39PM,"prof.arc"<[email protected]
([email protected])>wrote:[quote]Iamnotcommentingontheuseofcommercial
softwareasitisthe
practicenowadaystousethemratherthantowriteapplication
softwarebytheuseritself.
useofSRSShaspitfallsbecausethe"sign"islost
ifyourefertoBISHandbookonIS:1893,theproblemisexplainedin
thechapteronstacklikestructurestwodifferentshapesaregiven
forshearforceandbendingmomentalongtheheight.
inmodalcombinations,NEVERUSESRSSforcombinationofmodalstresses
alsodonotuseSRSStofirstobtainLOADSandthenderiveshears&
bendingmoments
fromthatcombinedLoaddiagram
Lesserevilistocombinemodalshearsandmodalmomentsseparately
ihadalwayspreferredtodotimehistoryanalysiswherethe"SIGN"ispreserved
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