A Comprehensive Darkest Dungeon Analysis, Guide, and Balance Writeup, Abridged.

By Chaoschampion

Warning, this post is long. If you dont want to read itdont.

To start off, let me say that I already love this game. I was hyped for a very long
time to get to play it, and have played it for over 50 hours since the steam early
access release. Im currently on week 116 and have 160k gold and about 500k gold
worth in trinkets (yes I can be a digital hoarder.) All bosses were beaten by about
week 50, and all classes leveled to 6 around week 110. Ive done 50+ full-light runs,
50+ no-torch runs, and some in between. 7 heroes have given their lives for the
cause 2 when I didnt know what I was doing in the first few weeks, and 5 since I
switched over to doing no-torch runs. The atmosphere, art style, narration, and
general game direction are all really, really awesome, and Ive already
recommended the game to my friends just based on the early access build.

Mechanically, the game plays very well, the 4 vs up to 4 enemy battles are
alternatively fun and exciting, and/or tense and desperate. That being said,
mechanics and balance are definitely the areas that could use the most polish, and
having now played the game extensively using many many different early, middle,
and late-game party compositions, I wanted to offer my feedback.

This post is in two parts the first is a strategy guide style writeup of how the
different hero classes currently perform in combat, where theyre strong/weak, and
where they could use more work. Some of the power imbalances may well be
intentional, and obviously opinions will differ from mine about the value of each
hero, but nonetheless these are my takes on the classes after extensive play-testing
and party variation.

The second part is a close look at a number of overall mechanical balance issues
and quality of life improvements designed to keep the game fun and hard, but make
the player feel like the different classes all have merit, and that getting brutalized in
the game is a function of their decisions more than just random number generation
and bad luck.

Class specific Balance and Strategy Guide as of the Current Build:

Darkest Dungeon has some heroes that would be at home in many classic RPGs, as
well as those that are remarkably unique and distinct to its own Lovecraft-inspired
medieval action-horror universe. As such I want to love and utilize the complexity of
the character classes and abilities at this games disposal, playing my favorite
classes lore/concept wise, but the mechanics of the game currently favor raw brute
power over nuance in almost every combat situation. This is partly a function of
increased monster resists in higher level dungeons (bleed/blight/stun/debuff usually
apply in lvl 1 dungeons, and usually fail in lvl 5+ dungeons), and I suspect this is
why classes that might seem balanced at level 0-1 perform so differently in the
endgame.

Ultimately every class is currently playable, no imbalance is so severe that a

character cant bring something to the table. Ive gotten every class to level 6
without overmuch carnage or gnashing of teeth (though after my 2nd lvl 4-5 hellion
was slain within a few hours of the 1st I threw away those accursed hells hairpins
so I wouldnt be tempted.) The point here isnt that classes are unplayable, so much
as some are clearly more viable than others when facing very difficult quests. Thus
Im evaluating not whether theyre fun or cool (theyre all cool, I cannot stress
enough how much I love this games style), but how competitive they are for taking
up the limited 4 slots in your party.

Bounty Hunter:

The bounty hunter is currently extremely survivable with his twin 15 evasion agile
talons, and when striking a marked target (generally best when paired with an
occultist who can mark targets for him) he does strong sustained single target
damage. Unfortunately, he often beats the occultist speed-wise, meaning he has to
waste a turn to mark his own targets or else waste a turn hitting for half damage.
Also, his base damage is nothing amazing, and its unclear what hes really bringing
to the table other than single target sustained damage against quest bosses and
tier 3 large enemies like swineotaurs and ghouls. Against everything else, its often
faster to just attack them than waste a turn setting up the mark. Unlike almost
every other mid-slot hero, he lacks any real area of effect damage skill, and is thus
much, much less useful against most 3-4 enemy fights (most fights) than a hellion,
highwayman, leper, crusader, etc would be with their respective multi-target
attacks. His best use right now seems to be to leverage his high evasion and

maintain single-target damage sitting in the front rows. There he can soak enemy
damage (though causing them to usually miss) while putting out meager hits of his
own until a sufficient target worthy of marking appears.

The bounty hunter really needs to have a good area of effect skill to be competitive
with other mid-slot damage dealers, or else some way to provide essential support
skills, as much of his current kit isnt worth using. By lvl 5+ quests, his pull hardly
ever works so dont even waste your turn on it, just kill the front rows to shift the
back-line forward. The flashbang stun is a decent starter if waiting for an occultist
mark, but is usually resisted and the shuffle either resisted or provides minimal
benefit. His hook and slice, for instance, does almost no damage and is just a
straight up worse version of finish him, most of the time. Also, finish him is really
weird the bounty hunter usually acts before whichever allied heroes get reliable
stuns off (vestal, crusader), which means he hits the enemy for regular damage,
then the ally stuns a foe, then the foe acts and gets stunned but loses the stun
icon, and then finally the bounty hunter gets his turn again, but the enemy has no
stun technically so he never gets his bonus damage. All in all, a very janky and
difficult to use mechanic, and character in general, unless you have a team verymuch dedicated to setting him up.

Rating: Low-Medium priority. Good for quest bosses, but not useful in most quests
standard fights.
Placement: 1st-3rd slot, depending on spec.

Crusader:

The crusader is a powerful and versatile hero, able to put out reliable single and
two-target damage, stun-lock many targets, use weak healing to get heroes off
deaths door, and charge back to the front-lines after being pushed with his lance
charge. He has no real weaknesses and some of the best trinkets, such as the
knights crest, whose extra health and damage shaving properties make him a great
tank. Alternatively, twin paralyzing crests make him a stun-machine, and set up
your party for heals and sustain against very hard enemies. His only weakness are
his heals, which are extremely weak to the point of being a waste of a turn unless
you need to get someone off of deaths door. As a front-line fighter, its weird,
disadvantageous, and boring to spam a 1-4 health heal on someone as your entire
turn. Maybe giving him a rallying strike kind of ability, that does less damage than
smite but if successful heals the most injured party member for 1-4 would be both

thematically appropriate and power-wise actually useful. His lance lets him charge
back into the fray after getting surprised or pushed, which single-handedly makes
him much more mobile and resistant to rngesus than the leper, and is thus
awesome and mandatory if using him. His protection self-buff is, like most self-buffs,
questionable unless you need to tank the swine god or something, but with so many
great skills you dont even need to take it.

Rating: High priority. Really cant go wrong with him. Useful everywhere, mandatory
in the ruins given his anti-unholy damage.
Placement: 1st/2nd slot.

Grave Robber:

The grave robber has good out of combat utility (100% trap disarming at max level,
some nice camping skills/buff options), but is one of the weakest, if not the weakest
in-combat character. Her poison dart is just a straight-up worse version of the
plague doctors blight skills, and hardly ever even lands the blight unless you spec
her for blight trinkets, which makes no sense since the rest of her kit does no blight
damageHer lunge does good damage, but then sticks a frail character in melee
for a turn before she can back-pedal stun her way out of there, and disrupts the flow
of your entire party lineup. Her self-evasion buffs are very strong, since they
combine a strong evasion buff (evasion is arguably the best stat) with secondary
utility (bleed/blight removal, stuns, moving around), but she lacks the health to tank
even one bad crit, and the damage to justify a spot in the party. Her pick, dagger,
and twin dagger moves all do pitiful damage for a damage character (as opposed to
tanking, healing, or crowd control character), and even her lunge is worse than a
hellion just swinging away with her basic single-target attacks, which the hellion can
do every turn with more health and less own-party disruption. Her high crit chance
and accuracy dont make up for very low base weapon damage and health.
Ultimately, being really dodgy while not contributing enough to killing enemies just
adds dead weight to the team, and forces the other heroes to make up for her
inadequacy. Thats bad. The frogurt is also cursed.

Rating: Low priority. Usefulness out of combat not worth very questionable damage
and survivability in combat. Spec for stun and spam it constantly if you must use
her in combat.

1st 2nd or 3rd slot but really shell go where she pleases and disrupt your whole
team anyway.

Hellion:

Ahh the hellion. For a few glorious days after steam release she slaughtered
everything in sight with her ridiculously strong strikethrough and stacking
percentage damage buffs. I dreamed that dream but now it is gone from me. Post
strike-through nerf, the hellion is a decent single-target damage dealer than can
spec for damage and/or protection over evasion and still breakthrough/yawp swing
for the hills, but in so doing gimps her sustained damage badly. Alternatively,
building dodge on her and using only her very strong base damage in conjunction
with make them bleed, iron swan, or her basic hack makes her a strong and anyenemy-slot single-target killer who doesnt require the elaborate setup of the
bounty hunter, nor does she have the frailty of the highwayman. The incredibly
strong self-debuffs on three of her skills are so punitive that she is honestly better
off avoiding them unless they literally win the fight for her that round, as the hit to
damage alone makes two regular hits more appealing in most cases.

If the premise of the hellions self-debuff skills is risk vs reward, I dont know that the
current -damage% debuff makes sense. Why not keep the -dodge% and add a %
chance to have her refuse healing (say 30% per stack for 3 rounds each, like many
negative mental states already do) as her frenzied rage embodies death and
carnage and resists nurturing and living magics. Having her damage powers debuff
her damage makes them just bad mathematical choices for dps, not a risk-reward,
while refusing healing is a very serious risk as those who get paranoid, hopeless,
and similar effects well know. One simple fix would be to make adrenaline rush cure
any ongoing debuffs she has inflicted on herself, so that she can actually live up to
the take a turn to catch her breath, then back to murdering philosophy.

Rating: Medium priority. A good single-target killer and off-tank, but can easily get
herself killed or become worthless if you succumb to the temptation of using her
self-debuffing skills.
Slot: 1st-3rd slot.

Highwayman:

The highwayman is great. With some of the most well balanced and designed
mechanics of any of the heroes, a high evasion rating, and a low health pool, hes
the classic high-risk high reward glass cannon that weve come to know and love.
His grapeshot blast is the area of effect skill par excellence, now indisputably better
than the nerfed hellion strike-through, even more so if he has a chance to clean his
guns at camp. His mixture of ranged and melee attacks allow him to spec for
medium or close combat, though the power of his point blank shot suggests his best
tactic is to start with grapeshots, duelists advance into the most powerful foe once
the riff-raff is slain (or to finish off the riff-raff in the process), then point blank shot
him for massive damage. The forward and backwards mobility is so high on this
hero that he almost cant be out of place. His damage is excellent for both single
and multiple targets, at any range, and his high evasion allows him to soak damage
by causing many misses. Other than his incredibly weak self-buff that you can just
ignore and replace, the only problem the highwayman faces is his pitiful health pool,
made still worse by the seemingly mandatory highwaymans sheath trinkets which
give him tons of dodge but hurt his health total. To play it safe, use two camouflage
cloaks instead, sacrificing accuracy and speed for health, if you want to keep your
highwaymen from getting pasted. Highwaymen will carry your party to many
victories until a lucky enemy crit puts them into the ground permanently. The
flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long.

Rating : High priority. Probably the best character right now, both in terms of raw
value they bring to a team and how well they are designed. Everything works
almost exactly as it should and you would expect. Be aware they could die at any
time though and make sure to train up spares.
Slot: Rotates between 2nd and 1st slot, though you can use 3rd if you dont mind
losing your point blank shot damage. (Hint: Point blank shot is crazy good. Put them
in 2nd slot and duelists advance to use it when needed.)

Jester:

The Jester islike 3 different characters thrown into one. He wants to sing and
dance and buff and stress relieve and slice enemies and get himself killed but he
isnt really good at any of it. His most powerful ability could nominally be considered
solo, whose entire enemy team accuracy debuff in conjunction with high-dodge
characters should make your team immortal (it can also do serious full-team
damage with some % damage buffs). However, enemies resist the debuff with such

staggering frequency that using it in lvl5+ dungeons is laughable. Similarly, unless

specced for bleed trinkets, his two bleeds wont do much either. However like most
low-health characters, if you dont stack dodge trinkets on him, hes a corpse
waiting to happen.

His ability to leap forward and then massively debuff himself to try for a kill with
heroic demise while lacking a leap backward mechanic to get out of Dodge is
possibly the only time a class makes the grave robber seem comparatively good in
combat. I dont know if dirk stab into heroic end is supposed to be a humorously bad
pair of skills and hes really supposed to just be killing himself with this combo as
the text suggests, but the damage on heroic end just isnt worth the increased
likelihood of him getting horribly murdered right afterward, and it generally just
tanks his dps. His morale heal and party song are functionalwhen they work, but
so minor a benefit compared to having a meaningful healer or damage dealer in
that 4th slot that he feels like dead weight.

Also, what is the point of putting a dedicated morale healer in the game? Isnt half
the fun when your heroes get a few too many wine splashes and pig feces on them
and start quoting existentialist philosophy? I recommend splitting some of his
abilities off into a separate character or scrapping them entirely, and focusing on
giving him other skills with a more focused role. As it stands, he isnt really good
anywhere in the party, and struggles to find something relevant to do.

Rating: Low priority. Probably the least intuitive and useful character right now, at
least in lvl5+ quests, though he can evasion tank very well with the right trinkets.
Slot: Who knows? It is a mystery.

How I Would Rework the Jester A Brief Digression:

Below is a significant Jester rework idea that keeps the current flavor and
mechanical intent but makes him good at what he does: Give him a song
progression mechanic that pays out with an epic finale based on mechanical
progression. Two starter songs, two intermediate songs, and two finale songs, with
one left over skill for mobility. Can play a beginner song at any time. Can play an
intermediate song whenever an ongoing buff/bleed from a starter song is active.

Can play a finale only immediately following an intermediate tune. All abilities other
than kicking somersault require 3rd or 4th slot (rear).

Jaunty tune: beginner song. Buff. + 6/7/8/9/10 dodge + 1/2/3/4/5 speed for entire
party for 3 rounds.
Discordant tune: beginner song. Ranged. 90-110 accuracy, 0% damage, 0-4% crit,
targets entire enemy team for 1/1/2/2/3 bleed damage for 3 rounds.
Hope through the darkness. Heal/Morale heal. Intermediate song. Heals 2/3/4/5/6
party morale and 0-1 (rank 1) to 0-3 (rank 5) health.
The turn of the tide. Intermediate song. Ranged. 90-110 accuracy, 85% damage,
10-14% crit, 120% base stun chance, targets one of the front two spots.
Stunning performance: Finale. Ranged. 90-110% accuracy, 0% damage, 0-4% crit
140% chance to stun entire enemy team, as well as himself. Forward 3. Leaves
jester in the front row slot.
Epic conclusion. Finale. Melee. 80-100% accuracy, 200% damage, 16-20% crit,
targets any one enemy. Forward 3. Leaves jester in the front row slot with -30 dodge
and -30% damage for 3 rounds like current dirk stab + heroic end debuff.
Kicking Somersault Melee. 80-100% accuracy, 33% damage, 0-4% crit, front two
slots use only, 120% base knockback one of the front two enemy slots by two, jester
moves back two spaces.

With this setup he could spec for party support, offensive stuns/debuffs, damage, or
something in between. He provides a good deal of large battle support, buffing all
allies and targeting all enemies with many attacks, and allows players to switch out
his role between fights by swapping songs at each tier. As far as weaknesses, he
would be very vulnerable to stuns, pulls, and anything else that takes him out of the
back row before he can get his finale off, and his single target damage and stuns
are limited to getting off his higher tier skills.

Leper:

I love the leper. His lore and appearance alone evoke Baldwin of Jerusalem in a
really awesome way, and his grim festering determination helps set the tone for this
game spectacularly. It helps that he is mechanically very strong as well. His low

base accuracy is offset by proper preparation always bring a vestal and buff his
accuracy with bless at camp, while self-buffing accuracy from his reflection. That
taken care of, his single and two-target damage is excellent, his vengeance self-buff
is one of the only actually turn-worthy buffs in the game, and to top it off, he has
the single largest reliable heal in the gamewhile also being the highest health
character in the game. That said, the leper has a few serious weaknesses. His low
dodge means hes less of a tank than a damage sponge, eventually hell need to be
wrung dry by a serious pile of heals, which fortunately he can contribute to himself.
His high health means he scales well with food, so buy more of it to feed him than
any other character as a viable healing mechanism. His most serious problem is his
low disease/bleed resists, which means he is vulnerable both to enemy
dots/disease, as well as the occultists heal/bleed, which would otherwise be an
awesome pairing with him his high max health a good receptacle for high random
healing. Finally, he has absolutely no mobility/repositioning skills at all. Unlike the
similar crusader who can just charge back into combat while smiting a back-row foe,
the leper needs to resist/dodge eldritch push/pull at all costs, and you should try
very hard to avoid getting surprised while relying on him in the party. Berserk
masks are great and should be used with him when available.

Rating: High priority. Very powerful kit, just make sure you set him up properly with
the right camp buffs and allies so that he can do his noble work.
Slot: 1st or 2nd slot. Dont let him get pushed around or hes useless.

Occultist:

The occultist is a strange fellow. He says healing isnt his specialty, yet wyrd
reconstruction is the skill youre likely to spam 3/4s of the time. Like most
buff/debuff characters, he has a very hard time making a meaningful contribution
with his curses/hexes compared to outright stuns/heals/kills, and his damage
abilities are laughably weak compared to other characters. Nothing feels quite as
shameful as getting a crit curse for like 5-6 damage (while having the actual debuff
resisted most of the time) on a 70+ health foe and having Wayne June offer an
unintentionally ironic a powerful blow or some such as you slink into the corner
wishing you were a hellion. The one exception to how weak his curses are is when
setting up the bounty hunter for a marked target, which is definitely a productive
use of your turn with 1 or even 2 allied bounty hunters. Occultist, 2 bounty hunters,
and a leper for front-line/crowds is a very strong boss-hunting team comp.

His pull and stun arent much better, the pull failing the vast majority of the time at
higher levels, and the stun requiring him to be in the 1st two rows and forgo
healing. (Hint, dont put your occultist in the first two rows and forgo healing.) As
one of only two serious healers in the game, the occultist is almost mandatory if you
dont go vestal, and so long as you can avoid bleeding your friends, his heal is
actually great. Unfortunately, it scales very strangely. The bleed component of the
heal continues to gain in potency with level, even though it hurts your own team!
Going from lvl 4 0-18 heal and 2over3 bleed to lvl 5 0-20 heal and 3over3 bleed is a
very clear loss for the skill. 1 average healing gained versus 3 average bleed
damage gained is nowhere near worth it, not to mention the money for the
upgrade. A mandatory trinket for him is Cleansing Crystal, which not only buffs all of
his resistances, but it lowers his bleed chance perfect for not bleeding your
friends! Take two if trying to heal the poor leper.

Rating: Medium-High priority. Good healer with the right trinkets, the rest of his kit is
of limited situational value. Combos with bounty hunter.
Slot: 3rd or 4th if you want to live.

Plague Doctor:

The plague doctor is cooler than she is effective in most scenarios. Throwing blight
on some cocky undead freak and watching the abomination melt while cackling
eldritch nothings has a certain allure. That being said, damage over time just isnt
that great in a game where focusing down dangerous targets immediately is the
primary way to avoid a horrible death, and the plague doctor ONLY does damage
over time. Technically she has a few other buff and support skills, though they are of
questionable utility. Why would I buff another characters damage by 25% when I
could put a better character in her slot and do 100% damage with them? Why would
I remove blight/bleed with her single action rather than with bandages/potions? Or
just heal right through it with a real dedicated healer? Her stun the back two power
is good, but then its damage is trivial and she doesnt have much for stun-chance
trinkets to support it.

The plague doctor is thus almost good, she has some good ideas, but practically her
numbers just arent high enough in most cases to be worth using over alternatives.
Like the bounty hunter, her high damage over time makes her good against bosses,
but even then she can have a hard time applying blight, and her lack of crit synergy
means she falls off in the late game or in no-torch runs vs raw power heroes.

Ultimately, fixing DoTs as mentioned in the mechanical fix section would completely
turn around this character and make it more desirable.

Rating: Low-Medium priority. She can do okay and isnt a waste of a slot, but you
can also do better. She is best utilized with stun-focused teams that let her slowly
shred multiple enemies while keeping as many targets locked down as possible.
Slot: 2nd 3rd or 4th. She is actually pretty slot-versatile, though 3rd and 4th and the
most promising given her low survivability and broadest range of abilities.

Vestal:

A darkest dungeon adventuring party. Fragile. Like a robins egg. Where would we
be without the vestal? She is the primary healer in the game, and clearly the most
designed around it mechanically. Her 7-8 point final rank single target heal is the
most reliable any-target heal in the game, while her final rank 3 health heal party
heal is a god-send when death is knocking at multiple heroes doors. I would say
that the vestal is so important that pretty much every party needs one, unless they
want to press an occultist awkwardly into service as a primary healer. She also has
some very interesting offensive abilities. Judgment lets her combine long-ranged
blasts with self-heals, and gives her some nice combat options while still retaining
the role of healer. Dazzling light lets her stun targets who could potentially do more
in a single hit than she could heal, effectively mitigating damage yet another way.

She has 3 other skills more designed for front row fighting and debuffing, which are
cool on paper, but the problem is that she cannot fill her primary function while up
there, since her single-target heal and self-heal attack are both greyed out up front.
If we are supposed to be using her as a front-line healer/warrior hybrid, then give
her mediocre front-line skills more meat. How about making mace bash offer a stun
or substantial accuracy debuff? Maybe let judgment and divine grace be used from
any slot? Some sort of melee power that also heals the vestal or others would also
be put to good use. You can run two vestals, one dedicated healer and one
debuffer/melee up front, but youll find quickly that melee vestal is no crusader or
leper, two very strong and well-balanced classes that already exist and fill that role
with more finesse and power, respectively. The front-line vestal would be made
vastly more viable by making some of the buff/debuff changes mentioned in the
mechanical section, as well as significantly upping the damage of her front-line
abilities to make them at least competitive with a leper/crusader.

Rating: High priority. The best healer and basically mandatory for safer and more
effective runs. Not recommended as front-line unless her kit is beefed up to make
those parts more desirable.
Slot: 3rd or 4th.

Difficulty, Balance, and Quality of Life:

I think an overall game philosophy of keeping game hard and punishing with
meaningful risk reward tradeoffs is the way to go. However this difficulty should
come from evil creatures and creeping madness, not from mechanics that feel
cheap, lack player agency, encourage mistakes due to lack of information
accessibility for the player, counter-intuitive and unrealistic mechanics, or otherwise
generally lower the players quality of life when playing the game. The game is and
can be made hard enough without needing to rely on any of these things to create
artificial difficulty.

Major Balance Concerns:

Buffs/Debuffs:

Most player buffs are currently very weak, while debuffs are even weaker. Very rare
is the fight that lasts long enough for self-buffs to outweigh immediately dispatching
dangerous enemies. Skills like the highwaymans take aim, for instance, are
incredibly weak compared to clearing masses with grapeshot, or brutalizing tough
foes with point blank shot, or setting up either of those options with mobility attacks
like duelists advance. Take aim wouldnt even be worth the time at 100% the
current stats it gives, unless it somehow rushed the highwaymans next turn to at
least ensure he gets another turn to use it. Between his very low base health and
the numerous enemies he didnt kill during the turn he needed to activate it, he
remains in a perilous place. From a pure sustained-damage perspective, final-tier
leper vengeance is actually worth using, especially in conjunction with hew, but for
most characters their self-buffs remain very weak. Solution: Make most characters
buffs significantly stronger numerically, and as a general rule have them give the
character a brief buff to speed to increase the chance they can act again before the
enemy, and not suffer so much of a feeling of wasted turn. Maybe even give some

buffs a chance not to consume an action on use, but then if that triggers, grey out
the power so that they cant spam it.

Debuffs are unfortunately even weaker. Most enemies have incredibly high debuff
resistance in the level 5+ quests, and there are precious few trinkets that increase
debuff application chance. Even with two +10% debuff chance trinkets (the most an
occultist can currently equip), or two +15% debuff chance trinkets (the most a
vestal can currently equip), the primary debuffing classes cannot currently land
debuffs more than 50% of the time on most targets. Whats more, such a setup
neglects accuracy, which means that often the attack will miss outright, giving more
of a 30-40% chance to actually land and apply the debuff to most targets. This is
even besides the point that other than final bosses, few enemies are singularly
dangerous enough to be worth debuffing rather than just murdering. The large
enemy types are dangerous, but its far more important to stun or outright kill them
than to simply reduce their accuracy, damage or evasion they can one-hit your
party members even through a curse, as a 42 damage critical skull-tossing ghoul
informed my dead legendary highwayman. Alas poor Dismas, I knew him well.

Solution: Dont make debuffs roll accuracy, have them just roll vs. resist. Double
saves (hit vs accuracy) and (chance to apply vs resist) are excessively punitive. For
balance purposes, dont have the skill do any damage on a resist. The damage and
curse both would be linked to debuff resist, instead of a double-save mechanic. If
this is too complicated, then just give debuffs a massive accuracy bonus so they
rarely miss. Additionally, either tweak down the average debuff resist of enemies in
higher level dungeons, or increase the %chance to debuff gained from base skills
and trinkets to make them more viable. Additionally/alternatively, increase the raw
effect of curses to make them more appealing vs stun as a crowd control mechanic.
Since stuns just outright shut an enemy down, the curses have to do something
awfully good to be an equally valuable use of a turn. One option is to make curses
multi-target. I dont think the occultists damage/accuracy reducing curse, for
instance, would be too strong if it affected two targets instead of just one.
Increasing debuff efficacy would also have the side-effect of making the front-line
vestal, currently quite weak, far more viable.

Damage Over Time (DoT) Effects:

DoT effects are currently brutal when used against players because of their
repeated triggering of Deathblow chance and the high long term damage. By

contrast, the players own DoT effects (bleed, blight) are quite weak, not
contributing enough, often enough, fast enough, to justify a party slot in most
cases. The first problem can be solved by altering the interaction between
deathblow and dots. Having dots continue to keep life at zero, but not trigger
deathblow themselves would be a fair limiter. Alternatively, have them trigger
deathblow, but only on the first tick, not for the ongoing ticks, like any other source
of damage. Alternatively, as others have suggested, have them push the player into
a negative health state which needs to be healed through to get out of deathblow
status, keeping them in a vulnerable state, but not repeatedly triggering deathblow
directly.

The second problem, of the weakness of players own DoTs, is more complicated,
and has multiple components:

1. Bleed and Blight effects suffer from a double save chance. While most attacks
only have to land (accuracy vs dodge) to do their damage, bleed/blight effects have
to land and then overcome a second save (bleed/blight chance vs bleed/blight
resistance) to apply. In order to do the damage as listed by the power, these effects
need to overcome two different obstacles to landing instead of just one, putting
them at a distinct disadvantage. Whats more, many enemies have incredibly high
bleed/blight resist, making character specializing in those things useless in some
fights, lacking the trinkets/skills to rotate that give them a meaningful alternate role.

Solution: make attacks that apply bleed/blight only rely on a single save,
(bleed/blight chance vs bleed/blight resistance), and skip an accuracy roll
altogether. Much like classic rpgs with different saves (fortitude, reflex, and will), for
instance, Darkest Dungeon could have damage attacks use accuracy, while status
effect/dot attacks effect the appropriate resistance.

2. Bleed and Blight effects dont scale well with gear, trinkets, and critical hits, all
things essential to endgame efficacy. What few trinkets improve bleed/blight are
restricted to how likely they are to overcome enemy bleed/blight resistance (and
even then not usually enough to be sure of landing them, and often at great
expense in terms of other stats in tradeoff), rather than increasing damage or
duration or playing with the mechanics in other creative ways. The damage gained
from gear is also largely wasted on bleed/blight skills, since their reduced (often
dramatically) percentile damage does the opposite of taking advantage of bonus
raw power. This point is driven home by critical hits. Crits are incredibly powerful in

Darkest Dungeon, doing twice MAX damage, and thus are devastating on
characters/skills that do high base damage. Not only do most bleed/blight skills do
low base damage, and thus their crits are underwhelming, but more importantly,
bleed/blight effects dont get increased when critting. Logically, shouldnt a critical
hit dot cause twice as much bleed/blight?

Solution: Double the quantity of bleed/blight that applies on a critical hit (normal 2
bleed over 3 rounds becomes 4 bleed over 3 rounds, for example.) Add some
trinkets that interact with bleed/blight effects power/duration/other effects.
Examples Sanguine Pendant +10% chance to bleed, bleed effects do 1 more
damage per tick, -20% hero bleed resist. Bloodrush Stone Bleed effects do
100% more base damage per tick, but last one fewer round, for hero and enemy
targets both. Plaguebringers Mask Whenever successfully blighting a target, any
adjacent targets also acquire/suffer 1 blight damage over 3 rounds.

3. Bleed and blight require 3 rounds to apply their damage, in a game/metagame

where burning down targets as fast as humanly possible is the most important part
of combat. Unless youre fighting a tier 3 boss, Necromancer/Swine God/Hag, you
just dont need that many rounds to do comparable or better damage with other
characters, nor do you have the survivability to wait that many rounds. It is almost
never valuable to bleed/blight a target unless you plan to leave it for last, in which
case it would still be better to spend your turn focusing down a more vital target.

Solution: This could be addressed a few ways. One minor thing would be letting the
character whose bleed/blight effect kills a target to get the morale/hope boost from
killing them. Another one would be with trinkets like those mentioned above, that
would hurry the bleed/blight effect at the cost of duration. Another would be to give
bleed/blight oriented characters finisher abilities that have effects based on the
leftover bleed/blight damage that is going to waste. For instance, an occultist,
hellion, or highwayman skill might be exsanguinate 100% accuracy, 85% base
weapon damage, 1-5% crit, increases to 21-25% if target is bleeding. If this attack
kills the target, the hero gains health equal to the bleeding damage still remaining
on the target. A plague doctor skill could be Corpse burst. 100% accuracy 33%
base weapon damage, 6-10% crit. When this attack lands, remove all ongoing blight
damage and do that much damage to the target (subject would get save based on
their blight resistance against this effect). If this kills the target, any adjacent foes
gain 2/3/4/5 blight damage per round for 3 rounds.

Dodge vs Other Stats:

Dodge is currently very, very important in Darkest Dungeon, and trinkets that
provide it are invaluable. Why would I stack something like movement protection,
bleed resist, blight resist, stress resist, and so forth, when I could stack dodge and
avoid all of these status effects and the accompanying damage and risk of being crit
entirely? Stacking health, while a good defense against getting crit-oneshotted, isnt
actually a long-term survival strategy as it doesnt mitigate damage at all but
simply delays it, something dodge is largely left to do. Other than wanting to stack
+% damage on my area of effect characters and a few other situation items, dodge
is pretty much my go-to for all characters trinkets.

With this being said, it seems as though the accuracy bonus that enemies have in
the dark is very strong. My 75 dodge jester was getting hit about 35-40% of the
time in no-torch runs, suggesting an enemy accuracy of around 110-115%! I also
know that some enemies have less than 100% base accuracy, since Ive had them
miss 0-dodge characters. This suggests a very large darkness accuracy advantage
for them. As far as planning runs, it would be very useful for the player to get more
information on specifically how strong this accuracy difference is, and whether, as a
consequence, running no-torch is viable for their current setup.

Also, as much as I love evasion tanking, protection tanking is currently not

represented on armor in a way that is honestly confusing. Shouldnt a crusaders full
plate or lepers massive chest-piece provide damage reduction, not dodge? Isnt
there some distinction between heroes who leap nimbly out of danger, vs those
whose armor defeats enemy blows? While I understand that max-health is meant to
represent some of this, in the long run, as mentioned, max-health doesnt actually
mitigate damage, it just marginally delays inevitable death and over-taxes the
games limited healers, meaning that crusaders and lepers become less reliable
long-term tanks than evasion stacking highwaymen, jesters, and bounty hunters.

Solution: Giving front-line fighters armor protection and health instead of or as an

alternative to dodge and health on their armor in the blacksmith would make more
sense, and give players more agency when designing their party and its defenses.
Also, any trinket that gives a secondary resistance like move resist needs to be
much stronger than dodge as a raw number to rival the utility that dodge provides,
from a trinket balance standpoint.

Protection:

On a related note, it isnt clear how protection even works. It claims to be a

percentile damage reduction mechanic in the UI, but then it seems to be a flat
damage reduction based on repeated experimental observation. Most hits that
would do 4-9 damage against other party members, for instance, only do 1 damage
to my 10% protected crusader. Then when enemies do huge damage from crits, the
reduction appears to shave about the same raw value, in that example 10, instead
of reducing the damage to 1. Does it work where protection reduces damage from
incoming hits by that number to a minimum of 1? If so, this should be made clearer
to the player in the UI, as that is massively more useful in most cases than
percentile reduction.

Solution: Make how this mechanic works clearer and more obvious to the player via
the user interface and help-tips.

Camping and Party Skills:

Camping is currently best done at the START of a run, rather than in the middle. This
is because stress relief is expensive in town and takes time, while doing it from
camping/skills is relatively cheap at 8 food. Also, having your buffs up immediately
is stronger than waiting until youve taken a pounding. This doesnt really make
much sense to me. Why would you camp immediately after leaving town? This
breaks immersion in favor of efficacy.

Solution: have the player start with 12 points worth of buffs at the start of every
quest regardless of camping, and have the stress relief scale as a function of current
stress for instance feast when resting removes say 35% of current stress, making
it much better for when youre deep into the quest than just starting out. This also
gives the players an efficiency vs risk tradeoff to play with, waiting until the last
moment to restore their sanity, but if they wait too long, heroes snap and go nuts.
Allowing players to start with 12 rounds of buffs also allows them to make better
use of the stress resist options, which otherwise are generally weak compared to
direct stress removal. The UI for this could be the chosen party member sitting
around the classic rpg tavern table planning their quest, giving modified speech
versions of the buffs for town, or even eating/stress relieving at a cost by paying the

tavern-keeper the equivalent amount in food rations, before setting off on their
journey.

Short/Medium/Long Quest Balance:

As it stands now, there are a number of advantages and disadvantages to each kind
of quest, though medium is currently king, with short being decent and long being
highly undesirable. Why?

1. You have a limited number of backpack slots, and thus there are only so many
supplies and loot that can be carried. A long quest almost always forces you to start
throwing away loot, while a shorter quest lets you keep almost everything you get,
while also saving money by bringing fewer supplies.

2. Due to supplies getting wasted at the end of each quest, bringing too many
spares hurts your gold total. A short quest just doesnt give you enough rooms to
reliably use all your supplies, while a long quest doesnt give you the inventory
space to keep your supplies on hand for the latter dungeon rooms. Medium
definitely hits the sweet spot here for reliable use of those skeleton keys, holy
waters, and such vs having to throw them away to grab more loot.

3. Short quests dont let you camp, which is really the main reason they are worse
than medium quests. Camping offers such a strong start of quest buff that to not
have it can actually gimp certain play-styles and party compositions. Having buffs
like the occultists 20% damage on an area of effect powerhouse like the
highwayman (or old hellion), or the vestals bonus 10/10 accuracy/dodge on an
evasion tank can literally make or break a run. Having a second bundle of wood to
camp is unfortunately almost useless right now, since youre usually forced to burn
it long before you really need it just to save inventory space. Thus long usually
offers nothing more than medium on that front.

4. The longer you spend in a dungeon, the greater chance rng or stress murders
your whole party. Also, the sooner you get out of a dungeon, the sooner your quest
reward and found loot can be added to your treasury, the sooner you can get your
time/weeks to pass and stress-heal/coach/caravan reset to keep getting more
options for your team. This is the main reason that short quests are still viable

compared to medium quests, even without party buffs, and why long quests are so
agonizing.

Solution: Give a much higher chance for good loot like sapphires/rubies and the
better trinkets to drop in longer quests. The risk/reward is currently skewed because
all the extra risk of a long quest means nothing when a medium quest still fills your
backpack with loot just as well. This addresses that concern without messing with
backpack space by increasing the quality of loot, rather than the quantity. Letting all
quests start with 12 points of camp buffs equalizes that disparity. Maybe let
firewood not take up inventory space and have a small indicator for how many you
have off to the side? I dont know, I just hate that my best play is to throw away my
2nd firewood 2 out of 3 runs, especially on full-darkness runs where Im avoiding
getting another 100 light + risk of ambush.

Critical Hits:

Critical hits are crazy strong right now. For players and monsters both. Ive had
multiple legendary characters one-shotted from full health due to a powerful enemy
crit in conjunction with a bleed/blight tick or other enemy hit prior to getting a
chance to act. Zero-light swine god can and repeatedly does hit for 70+ crits, onehitting all but health-trinket stacked crusaders and lepers. As such, tremendously
valuable and desirable would be trinkets, armor variants, and abilities that lower the
players chance of being critically hit, or else cause them to take less damage from
critical hits.

Solution: Create anti-crit trinkets and/or tone down the power of crits through
balancing mob damage. A really useful rng-mitigating trinket would be Shroud of
silver linings hero with this equipped cannot take more than 30 damage from any
one attack, -15% stress resist. Since critical hits seem to do double max damage,
one solution to reduce the brutality that is enemy critical hits is to raise average
enemy minimum damage and lower their maximum damage by the same amount.
This would keep their average damage the same, but make it more consistent
instead of feeling super random, and would also reduce their critical hit damage.

Super Fast Affliction Spread Speed vs Low Baseline Stress Gains:

Somewhat tone down rate at which one crazed/despairing/abusive/etc afflicted

party member causes stress for the rest, since cascade effects are currently very
high and brutal. I understand that dungeons are stressful, and being around
stressed out people is even more stressful, but the rate of one person turning
everyone else crazy is very, very high right now, to the point that one person
snapping is party-breaking within a few rooms.

By the same token, there should be more risk when things are otherwise totally fine
a rare event/interaction that can trigger an instant mental crisis at any stress, for
instance. The game currently tends to rain when it pours, sitting at too easy for a
while, before a sudden sequence of crits and other bad luck messes things up badly
in a way that feels cheap or unavoidable.

Food/Starvation Clock:

Food consumption doesnt seem to follow a logical progression. As it stands now,

food and eating is extremely unpredictable, to the point that you can starve a few
seconds after camping. Maybe a more fixed cycle represented by a hunger meter?
Maybe have camping reset timer on it?

Gear Specialization:

Variant arms/armor lines in shop that emphasize protection instead of dodge, or

status effects over damage, among other effects would greatly improve the feel
that you can customize your heroes and invest in them beyond the obvious. This is
very important for non-standard attackers if they want to remain competitive in the
endgame compared to raw power heroes. Bleed/Blight characters could really use
gear that favors increased bleed/blight chance or damage over raw item power.
Healers could use gear that scales healing over damage.

Minor/Quality of Life Changes:

Early Game Brutality vs. Game gets easier with time:

You could add some sort of low baseline income to keep the early game from being
so brutally hard.
Maybe this would taper off with week number? Maybe it tapers off as you do
building upgrades? Maybe can be upgraded to remain relevant/assist in mid game?

Adjust trinkets to be less punitive on average most are completely useless or even
harmful to characters. While late-game trinkets are vital to success, most trinkets
are really really weak and just take up space or confuse new players. Allowing sale
of trinkets for cash/heirlooms would also be an obvious and awesome addition for
those looking to clear up trinket space.

Counter-Intuitive Mechanics:

Keep or at least chance to keep torches/food/other gear for next run. Why are they
being thrown away? Food I guess I can understand from spoilage, but the others
dont make a lot of sense. If you arent going to let provisions carry over between
missions, please put a gigantic sign up in the provisions UI informing the player of
such, because this is possibly the number one complaint of new players who
(logically) assume that provisions can be carried over through runs.

Allow higher level characters to run lower level dungeons with the caveat that they
cant gain resolve XP, maybe have capped stats/gear at max level of lower level
quest. This would let 4-man teams that get out of sync level-wise to stay together
until theyre the same again, and allows for gold-grinding in otherwise hopeless
games. In fact, why not simply have the enemies stats/tier (1-3) mirror the average
of the party members and avoid the whole awkward 3-tiered division entirely?

While I respect the design decision to limit how much loot you can carry based on
your backpack, I dont see any problem with allowing the player some way to
upgrade your backpack. Either to purchase more slots or an upgrade that allows
more stuff in each slot or both. In order to make long quests worth the risk, on solid
option is increased backpack size based on cash/heirloom expenditure. Another
would be renting a mule or servant which doesnt fight but carries more loot for
you, purchased at a cost from the provisions store. This would reward players who
want to do full long-dungeon clears and carry most of the loot back, but risk being

pointless buys if the run goes badly. You could also have a beneficial quirk that
increases stuff per slot when in party like efficient/veteran traveler.

More Risk vs. Reward Options:

There should be some incentive to save torches. Currently, unless roaming at pitch
black, or about to camp, there is no reason to save them, just constantly use them
at 75 or less light to keep at radiant light. You could, for instance, make torches burn
down slower at lower light levels, balancing torch efficiency vs stress gain. As it
stands, there is little tactical consideration for when to torch, which is I think a
shame.

Some sort of dedicated healing item other than food. Foods heal is very small and
is generally important to save for camp or random events. An item which is more
slot and/or gold efficient than food at character healing but cannot be used as food
would be cool. Also, characters with low health get disproportionately little health
from eating, a minimum of 2 or 3 health recovered per food item would be nice,
especially if you arent going to add a more specialized healing item.

Trapped/locked chests should still have loot sometimes after triggering them
negatively. After all, sometimes people trap chests to protect their contents, and
once its sprung anyway, why not loot it? Having a chest both injure you and then
provide a reward fits the whole blood for money game philosophy.

UI frustration:

Create some sort of UI that allows for the sorting and organization of trinkets. I
currently have over 300 trinkets, and sorting/finding them is a tremendous pain.
Deleting duplicates isnt desirable either as a solution, since you can always lose
trinkets in a bad run, or need spares for other characters.

Potential Additions/Game Features:

After defeating Necromancer lord, upgrade option to use necromancy to revive dead
heroes from cemetery at great cost and with non-removable quirks that stress out
non-undead allies.
They could also have undead perks like bleed immunity by default. Going for
undead heroes/parties could lead to evil ending as opposed to good ending for
game.

Passive Skills having each class have one unique passive skill that can be
upgraded at the guildhall and helps the party in some combat/exploration capacity
would be cool.

Some method of gaining or attempting to gain specific positive traits. Once you
have lots of cash and a dedicated party customization would be really fun. Maybe
3rd sanitarium option where you pay a bunch of money to try to learn a positive
quirk? Cost based on value of quirk? Chance to fail?

Vestal or Occultist ability that damages one enemy and heals one ally of choice if it
hits, balancing risk of missing the heal with reward of damage stacking on target.

Option to remove more than one quirk at a time after upgrade and for greater cost.
Option to rush stress relievers or quirk removal after upgrade and for greater cost.

Thanks!:

Thanks for reading and getting to the end, I know this was super long, but I hope to
see this game be as awesome as possible and that I can contribute in some small
part to seeing that happen.

-Chaoschampio