American Energy Security and Innovation: An Assessment of Private-Sector Successes and Opportunities in Energy Efficient Technologies
American Energy Security and Innovation: An Assessment of Private-Sector Successes and Opportunities in Energy Efficient Technologies
AN
ASSESSMENT
OF
PRIVATE-SECTOR
SUCCESSES AND OPPORTUNITIES IN ENERGY
EFFICIENT TECHNOLOGIES
HEARING
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SUBCOMMITTEE
ON
ENERGY
AND
POWER
ED WHITFIELD, Kentucky
Chairman
STEVE SCALISE, Louisiana
BOBBY L. RUSH, Illinois
Vice Chairman
Ranking Member
JOHN SHIMKUS, Illinois
JERRY MCNERNEY, California
PAUL TONKO, New York
JOSEPH R. PITTS, Pennsylvania
EDWARD J. MARKEY, Massachusetts
LEE TERRY, Nebraska
ELIOT L. ENGEL, New York
MICHAEL C. BURGESS, Texas
GENE GREEN, Texas
ROBERT E. LATTA, Ohio
CATHY MCMORRIS RODGERS, Washington LOIS CAPPS, California
BILL CASSIDY, Louisiana
MICHAEL F. DOYLE, Pennsylvania
PETE OLSON, Texas
JOHN BARROW, Georgia
DAVID B. MCKINLEY, West Virginia
DORIS O. MATSUI, California
CORY GARDNER, Colorado
DONNA M. CHRISTENSEN, Virgin Islands
MIKE POMPEO, Kansas
KATHY CASTOR, Florida
ADAM KINZINGER, Illinois
JOHN D. DINGELL, Michigan
H. MORGAN GRIFFITH, Virginia
HENRY A. WAXMAN, California (ex officio)
JOE BARTON, Texas
FRED UPTON, Michigan (ex officio)
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WITNESSES
Hon. Lisa Murkowski, A United States Senator from the State of Alaska,
Ranking Member, Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee ............
Prepared statement ..........................................................................................
Hon. Jeanne Shaheen, A United States Senator from the State of New Hampshire .......................................................................................................................
Prepared statement ..........................................................................................
Kathleen Hogan, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Energy Efficiency, Office
of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy, U.S. Department of Energy .....
Prepared statement ..........................................................................................
Answers to submitted questions ......................................................................
Kevin C. Kosisko, Vice President Service, North America, ABB, Inc., on
Behalf of National Electrical Manufacturers Association and Industrial Energy Efficiency Coalition ......................................................................................
Prepared statement ..........................................................................................
Britta MacIntosh, Vice President, Business Development, NORESCO, on Behalf of Federal Performance Contracting Coalition ..........................................
Prepared statement ..........................................................................................
James Crouse, Executive Vice President of Sales and Marketing, Capstone
Turbine Corporation, on Behalf of U.S. Combined Heat and Power Association ........................................................................................................................
Prepared statement ..........................................................................................
Helen A. Burt, Senior Vice President and Chief Customer Officer, Pacific
Gas and Electric Company ..................................................................................
Prepared statement ..........................................................................................
R. Neal Elliott, Associate Director of Research, American Council for an
Energy-Efficient Economy ...................................................................................
Prepared statement ..........................................................................................
Ted Gayer, Co-Director, Economic Studies and Joseph A. Pechman Senior
Fellow, The Brookings Institute .........................................................................
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Press release from cable companies, submitted by Mr. Shimkus ........................
Report entitled, Doubling U.S. Energy Productivity by 2030, by the Alliance
Commission on National Energy Efficiency Policy, submitted by Mr.
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Statement of Arkema, Inc., submitted by Mr. Whitfield ......................................
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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
SUBCOMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND POWER,
COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND COMMERCE,
Washington, DC.
The subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 10:08 a.m., in room
2123 of the Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Ed Whitfield
(chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.
Members present: Representatives Whitfield, Scalise, Shimkus,
Pitts, Terry, Burgess, Cassidy, Olson, McKinley, Gardner, Pompeo,
Kinzinger, Griffith, Upton (ex officio), Rush, McNerney, Tonko,
Capps, Barrow, Matsui, Castor, Welch, and Waxman (ex officio).
Staff present: Nick Abraham, Legislative Clerk; Gary Andres,
Staff Director; Charlotte Baker, Press Secretary; Mike Bloomquist,
General Counsel; Matt Bravo, Professional Staff Member; Allison
Busbee, Policy Coordinator, Energy and Power; Patrick Currier,
Counsel, Energy and Power; Carolyn Ferguson, Staff Assistant;
Tom Hassenboehler, Chief Counsel, Energy and Power; Heidi King,
Chief Economist; Ben Lieberman, Counsel, Energy and Power; Gib
Mullan, Chief Counsel, Commerce, Manufacturing, and Trade;
Mary Neumayr, Senior Energy Counsel; Andrew Powaleny, Deputy
Press Secretary; Chris Sarley, Policy Coordinator, Environment
and Economy; Lyn Walker, Coordinator, Admin/Human Resources;
Jeff Baran, Democratic Senior Counsel; Phil Barnett, Democratic
Staff Director; Greg Dotson, Democratic Staff Director, Energy and
Environment; Caitlin Haberman, Democratic Policy Analyst; and
Alexandra Teitz, Democratic Senior Counsel, Environment and
Economy.
OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. ED WHITFIELD, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF KENTUCKY
Mr. WHITFIELD. Good morning, and I would like to call this hearing to order this morning. I will recognize myself for an opening
statement.
Anyone who focuses on energy issues, I believe, has been amazed
at recent discoveries of resources that make it possible for America
to be energy independent, both generating electricity and producing
fuel for transportation purposes. Certainly, supply and demand affects price and if we can control price, we can be more competitive
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in the global marketplace, strengthen our economy, and create jobs.
That is certainly a goal to which we all aspire.
Now, we have had several hearings about supply in this subcommittee, and today, we are going to focus on demand, and specifically, energy efficiency. In fact, todays hearing is entitled
American Energy Security and Innovation: An Assessment of Private-Sector Successes and Opportunities in Energy Efficient Technologies. Just as we have been successful in finding additional resources for energy production, we have also made great strides in
energy efficiency, and we can do even more.
History teaches us that nothing is more efficient than the free
market. The only thing you need to spur than improve energy efficiency is profit-seeking companies responding rationally to high energy bills. Any company that doesnt use energy as wisely as possible will lose ground to a competitor that does. This is why free
economies are the most efficient and have the lowest energy inputs
per units of gross domestic product when you contrast that particularly with centrally-planned economies, which are certainly not as
efficient.
We all understand that government has a very important role to
play and has contributed much in this area, such as utilizing the
latest advances to improve efficiency in federal buildings, and in
conducting energy efficiency research. And all of us are fans of the
energy savings performance contract program over at DOE, and it
continues to do a great job, and we look forward to making sure
that it continues to make that kind of contribution.
We have a great panel of witnesses today. We have three panels,
and on the first panel, we are very fortunate to have two United
States senators. We have Senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, who
has been a leader in the energy sector. Senator, we really appreciate your taking time to be with us today. And Senator Shaheen
of New Hampshire was given a speaking engagement this morning,
and she is on her way, and it is not seldom that we have two senators over here, so we are always going to pay particular attention
to what they say, because as they say, the House and the Senate
need to work closely together on all these issues. So we are excited
about the witnesses this morning, and I will introduce the three
panels as we come to them.
[The prepared statement of Mr. Whitfield follows:]
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HON. ED WHITFIELD
Energy prices are a function of supply and demand, and high prices are a clear
sign that supply is struggling to keep up with demand. That is why expanding domestic energy supplies is a big part of the solution to the nations energy challenges
and one that this subcommittee will continue to address. But this mornings hearing
will focus on the demand side of the energy equation, and specifically private sector
efforts to develop and utilize innovative technologies and processes to reduce waste
and cut costs.
History teaches us that nothing is more efficient than the free market. The only
thing you need to spur innovations that improve energy efficiency is profit-seeking
companies responding rationally to high energy bills. Any company that doesnt use
energy as wisely as possible will lose ground to a competitor that does. This is why
free economies are the most efficient and have the lowest energy inputs per unit
of gross domestic product. Contrast that with centrally planned economies which are
among the least efficient.
These private sector innovations can take the form of energy efficient technologies
like combined heat and power systems. They can also take the form of novel instru-
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ments like energy savings performance contracts. We will discuss both kinds of innovations today.
The benefits of energy efficiency are something that both Republicans and Democrats can agree upon. They are also something that both the House and the Senate
can agree upon, which is why I am pleased that Senators Lisa Murkowski and
Jeanne Shaheen are joining us to discuss energy efficiency efforts underway in the
Senate. Those of us in the House are always ready to learn from the worlds greatest
deliberative body.
Some make the mistake of thinking that efficiency only happens as a result of
federal regulations or other mandates. But the stories we will hear from our private
sector witnesses demonstrate otherwise. Utilities, manufacturers, commercial property owners and others are continually developing clever new ways to save on their
energy costs, and are not waiting for orders from Washington DC.
In fact, government policy can sometimes get in the way of energy efficiency. For
example, a provision included in the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007
mandates the elimination of all fossil fuel-generated energy use in new and modified
federal buildings by the year 2030. This federal mandate potentially restricts the
adoption of high-efficiency technologies such as natural gas combined heat and
power and waste heat recovery systems in federal facilities. We need to reconsider
any and all federal impediments to energy efficiency.
On the other hand, there is a constructive role for the government to play, such
as utilizing the latest advances to improve efficiency in federal buildings, and in
conducting energy efficiency research. We need to steer government efforts in a positive direction.
Necessity is the mother of invention, and the necessity brought on by expensive
energy, tight budgets, and the pressures of global competition has fostered some
great private sector advances in efficiency. I look forward to learning more about
these exciting developments and yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. WHITFIELD. And with that, Mr. Rush, I would recognize you
for an opening statement.
OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. BOBBY L. RUSH, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF ILLINOIS
Mr. RUSH. I want to thank you, Mr. Chairman, for holding todays hearing on the successes and opportunities in energy efficiency technology. It is my sincere hope that after hearing from todays panel of witnesses, members on both sides of the aisle will
be able to come together and move their countrys energy policy forward by working to enact common sense energy efficiency legislation.
Mr. Chairman, I remain optimistic that this subcommittee may
return to the days of enacting bipartisan and comprehensive energy policy like we did most recently in 05 and 07. I believe that
the area of energy efficiency may, in fact, be the opportunity for us
to do so.
The story of energy efficiency is one that is filled with success
stories that I really hope propel our Nation forward by making us
more independent and more secure, while also reducing the cost of
energy, both in our pocketbooks and its impact on the environment.
According to a recent ACCC study, U.S. energy consumption in
2010 was less than half of what it would have been without the energy efficiency improvements made since 1970.
Mr. Chairman, while todays hearing focuses on the progress
made in the private sector, let us not forget that it was the leadership of State and Federal Government activities that paved the
way for many of these energy efficiency successes. DOE rulemaking
spurred dozens of national efficiency standards for appliances and
equipment since 1987. ACCCEEE, rather, found that these existing standards will provide net savings of $1.1 trillion through 2035,
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while also reducing carbon pollution by the equivalent amount of
taking approximately 118 coal-fired power plants offline by that
same year. In fact, in 2010, overall U.S. energy use was 7 percent
less than it would have been without these extendingexisting,
rather, standards.
However, Mr. Chairman, it is important to note that the ACEEE
also found, and I quote, The prospect for future improvements is
large. In fact, the report estimates that additional energy efficiency efforts could reduce U.S. energy use by 42 to 59 percent over
current projections, which will create over one million jobs and increase U.S. GDP by $100 to $200 million by the year 2050.
So, Mr. Chairman, it is important that the Federal Government
does not abdicate its responsibility, its leadership role, of promoting, of encouraging, of enticing interested stakeholders to continue with the progress that has already been made in energy efficiency technologies so that we may keep moving forward, moving
our Nation forward. We have a rich and strong legacy to stand on,
Mr. Chairman, and let us not abandon the work that has already
been done. Energy efficiency has been the low-hanging fruit that
may, indeed, as I said earlier, bring both sides together in a legislative manner while also making our Nation safer, more secure, and
more attentive to the impacts of climate change.
Mr. Chairman, I look forward to hearing from these outstanding
members of the other body, our Nations leaders, and I look forward to this hearing. And with that, I yield back the balance of my
time.
[The prepared statement of Mr. Rush follows:]
PREPARED
STATEMENT OF
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for holding todays hearing on the successes and opportunities in energy efficient technologies.
Mr. Chairman, it is my sincere hope that after hearing from todays panel of witnesses, members from both sides of the aisle will be able to come together and move
the countrys energy policy forward by working to enact commonsense energy efficiency legislation.
I remain optimistic that this subcommittee may return to the days of enacting bipartisan and comprehensive energy policy, like we did most recently in 2005 and
2007, and I believe the area of energy efficiency may, in fact, provide us with an
opportunity to do so.
Mr. Chairman, the story of energy efficiency is one that is filled with success stories that have really helped propel our country forward by making us more independent and secure, while also reducing the cost of energy, both in our pocketbooks
and its impact to our environment.
According to a recent American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy
(ACEEE) study, U.S. energy consumption in 2010 was less than half of what it
would have been without the energy efficiency improvements made since 1970.
Mr. Chairman, while todays hearing focuses on the progress made in the private
sector let us not forget that it was the leadership of state and federal government
that paved the way for many of these energy efficiency successes.
Department of Energy (DOE) rulemakings spurred dozens of national energy efficiency standards for appliances and equipment since 1987.
ACEEE found that these existing standards will provide net savings of $1.1 trillion through 2035, while also reducing carbon pollution by the equivalent amount
of taking approximately 118 coal-fired power plants offline by that same year.
In fact, in 2010, overall U.S. electricity use was 7% lower than it would have been
without these existing standards.
However, Mr. Chairman, it is important to note that the ACEEE study also found
that the prospect for future improvements is large.
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In fact, the report estimates that additional energy efficiency efforts could reduce
U.S. energy use by 4259% over current projections, which would create over a million jobs and increase U.S. GDP by $100200 billion by the year 2050.
So, Mr. Chairman, it is important that the federal government does not abdicate
its leadership role or responsibility of promoting, encouraging, and enticing interested stakeholders to continue with the progress that has already been made in energy efficiency technologies so that we keep moving the nation forward.
Energy efficiency has proven to be the low-hanging fruit that may indeed bring
both sides together, legislatively, while also making our country safer, more secure,
and more attentive to the impacts of climate change.
So I look forward to hearing from todays panel of expert witnesses on the successes and opportunities in energy efficiency technologies, and with that I yield back
the balance of my time.
Mr. UPTON. Well thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank both
of our senators for being here. Thanks for crossing the Capitol this
morning to provide your perspective on energy efficiency innovation. Energy efficiency is not only a bipartisan issue, but as your
presence here today demonstrates, there is bicameral interest as
well.
You know, for an economy to thrive, it does need energy. In fact,
increased energy consumption is often a harbinger of economic
growth, a very good thing by any measure. When we talk about energy efficiency, I believe our goal is to maintain and enhance our
economic growth by finding ways to maximize the ways that we
use energy, to get the most bang for the buck. Energy efficiency
measures are some of the simplest and most affordable ways to address U.S. energy demand. The U.S. has steadily improved its energy productivity as a result of advances in technology driven by
private sector innovation. Reducing waste and consuming less energy are common sense strategies to cut costs, which is why the industrial and manufacturing sectors have undertaken significant efforts to improve efficiency and reap the resulting economic benefits.
But significant energy efficiency opportunities remain, and we will
hear about some of those opportunities, as well as the challenges,
from our distinguished panelists today.
We have got to remember that as the sequester takes center
stage this week, that the Federal Government is the Nations largest user of energy, and sensibly utilizing energy-saving techniques
can significantly reduce the amount of taxpayer dollars spent on
federal energy costs.
So on behalf of all of our colleagues, I welcome both of you here,
and yield the balance of my time to Mr. Gardner.
[The prepared statement of Mr. Upton follows:]
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For an economy to thrive, it needs energy. In fact, increased energy consumption
is often a harbinger of economic growtha very good thing by any measure. When
we talk about energy efficiency, I believe our goal is to maintain and enhance our
economic growth by finding ways to maximize the ways we use energyto get the
most bang for the buck. Energy efficiency measures are some of the simplest and
most affordable ways to address U.S. energy demand. The U.S. has steadily improved its energy productivity as a result of advances in technology driven by private sector innovation. Reducing waste and consuming less energy are commonsense
strategies to cut costs, which is why the industrial and manufacturing sectors have
undertaken significant efforts to improve efficiency and reap the resulting economic
benefits.
But significant energy efficiency opportunities remain, and we will hear about
some of those opportunitiesas well as the challengesfrom our distinguished panelists today. We must also remember, as the sequester takes center stage this week,
that the federal government is the nations largest user of energy, and sensibly utilizing energy savings techniques can significantly reduce the amount of taxpayer
dollars spent on federal energy costs.
On behalf of all my colleagues on the Energy and Commerce Committee, I want
to again thank Senators Murkowski and Shaheenand all of our panelistsfor taking the time to be with us today, and we look forward to working together on these
issues in the 113th Congress.
Mr. GARDNER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you, Chairman Whitfield and Ranking Member Rush, thank you for holding
this hearing today. Over the past 2 years, I have become increasingly more interested in this topic of energy efficiency, and look forward to hearing our witnesss testimony this morning.
There is a lot more that the Federal Government in particular
could be doing to become more energy efficient, since we truly are
the largest energy consumer in the Nation. That is why I have
partnered with Mr. Welch of Vermont, who also serves on this committee, to form a caucus solely focused on advancing energy efficiency in a way that helps the environment and the taxpayer. Our
caucus focuses on performance contracting, whether they be energy
savings performance contracts, or utility energy service contracts.
ESPCs and UESCs allow private companies to perform energy upgrades by taking on all the risks associated with those improvements. The company only gets paid when the monetary savings
materialize. They are a win-win for government and the taxpayer,
creating private sector jobs along the way.
I truly believe that energy efficiency is an issue that Republicans
and Democrats can come together on, as we have done in Colorado.
And during times when this city can seem so partisan to the rest
of the country, I think we should jump at this opportunity to do
so. I will point out, however, that there is one minor impediment
to moving forward with ESPCs, and in the way that many of us
in this room would like to do so. While OMB does not score ESPCs,
CBO does. Even though it saves money, it has no appropriated dollars with it. It is unfortunately restricting our ability to utilize a
tool that makes complete sense during an economic downturn, and
during a time when the Federal Government is trying to find a way
to save money.
I look forward to working with everyone on this issue, and the
others in this room as we discuss what we can do to encourage energy efficiency here in Congress.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield the remainder of my time.
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Mr. WHITFIELD. Well thank you, Mr. Gardner, and at this time,
I recognize the ranking member of the full committee, the gentleman from California, Mr. Waxman, for 5 minutes.
OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. HENRY A. WAXMAN, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
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something that I think is in the best interest of the American people. Yield back the balance of my time.
[The prepared statement of Mr. Waxman follows:]
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At its heart, energy efficiency is about reducing waste. Doing more with less. This
frees up energy supplies, saves money, and reduces dangerous carbon pollution.
Energy efficiency is good for consumers, good for businesses, good for our economy
and job creation, and good for fighting dangerous climate change.
A recent report from the International Energy Agency (IEA) highlights the critical
role of energy efficiency in slowing dangerous climate change. IEA concluded that
if the world does not take action to reduce carbon pollution by 2017, then the energy
infrastructure existing at that time will make it impossible to limit warming to 2
degrees Celsius. In other words, we have just four years to take serious actions to
reduce carbon pollution, or we will be locked into a path forward that will lead to
devastating climate change. But if we invest now in energy efficiency, we can give
ourselves more time.
According to the IEA, the rapid deployment of energy efficiency measures would
give the world at least five additional years to develop long-term solutions. IEA also
found that there are huge efficiency opportunities available. Cost effective energy
efficiency measures using technology available today could reduce expected future
energy use by over 40%. These measures, of course, would save consumers and businesses over $11 trillion through 2050. Two-thirds of the potential energy efficiency
savings remain untapped.
Existing efficiency standards will provide net savings of over $1 trillion through
2035 while reducing annual carbon emissions by 470 million metric tons. Thats
equivalent to the annual emissions from over 100 coal-fired power plants. Without
these existing standards, the typical households electricity use would be about 35%
higher.
Buildings account for about 40% of our total energy consumption, and there is a
lot we could do to make them more efficient. Tools for improving energy efficiency
include building efficiency codes, performance goals, information disclosure, technical support, innovative financing approaches, and reduction of market barriers.
We are going to hear today from two very distinguished members of the Senate.
Senator Shaheen worked together with Senator Portman on a bipartisan bill that
includes many good ideas. Senator Murkowski in the last Congress worked with
Senator Bingaman on a package of consensus energy efficiency standards. We
should build on both of these bipartisan efforts.
We need to be ambitious. Study after study has identified a myriad of ways we
could save energy, save money, and reduce dangerous carbon pollution.
I look forward to hearing the testimony from our two Senators and our other witnesses today, and working on a bipartisan basis to do something that I think is in
the best interest of the American people.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Thank you, Mr. Waxman, and that concludes the
opening statements, so it is my pleasure now to introduce our first
panel of witnesses. They have already been introduced, but I will
do it again. We have Senator Lisa Murkowski, a U.S. Senator from
Alaska, who is the ranking member of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, and we have the Honorable Jeanne
Shaheen, U.S. Senator from New Hampshire, and as has already
been stated, both of you all have worked on these issues and in a
very bipartisan way, and so we welcome you to this committee. It
is my understanding that when you finish your opening statements, that you both have some other responsibilities, so we will
not be asking you any questions, but do look forward to your testimony, and Senator Murkowski, I will start with you and recognize
you for 5 minutes.
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STATEMENTS OF HON. LISA MURKOWSKI, A UNITED STATES
SENATOR FROM THE STATE OF ALASKA, RANKING MEMBER,
SENATE ENERGY AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE;
AND HON. JEANNE SHAHEEN, A UNITED STATES SENATOR
FROM THE STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE
STATEMENT OF HON. LISA MURKOWSKI
Senator MURKOWSKI. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Ranking Member Rush, Mr. Waxman, Mr. Upton, thank you for the opportunity
to be here this morning to focus on an energy efficiency specifically.
I dont know how you do this, but the fact that you actually have
your cups this morning that talk about energy efficiencyI dont
know if you do this for every hearing over here, but kudos to the
committee here for being on subject.
You note in your introduction of me that as the ranking member
on the Energy Committee, I would obviously have an interest in
this, but coming from the State of Alaska, as I do, where in some
of our remote, rural communities, Alaskan families are spending up
to 47 percent of the familys budget on energy. There is every reason to be efficient. There is every reason to squeeze everything that
you can out of the energy that comes our way, so I have taken a
very keen interest in it, and as a consumer of energy, as we all are,
we should all be focused on energy and what we can do to make
a difference.
Before I get into the specifics of energy efficiency, I want to offer
some context for it in the position of a broader, more comprehensive look at energy policy. I brought with me today one of the Hills
best sellers, this is Energy 20/20, a brilliant piece of 115 pages focusing on all things energy. And it is not very often around here
that we actually see 200 recommendations on energy policy come
out, a focus on energy as the bigger picture in terms of what we
can do to strengthen our economy. I would commend it to you. It
is available on my Web site. But let me give you the Readers Digest condensed version. It starts with a simple premise that energy
is good. You can distill it in a bumper sticker, but itthink about
it. It provides the basis for modern society. It allows us to lead
happy and productive lives. It allows us to produce food, to manufacture, to communicate, to move. It is all good.
And to give you five easy principles when we talk about energy,
we should strive to make energy abundant, affordable, clean, diverse, and secure. And to accomplish all this, again, I outline about
200 different recommendations, but as we think about energy policy here in this Congress and how to move forward in an area that
really can help us be more efficient in our use, just think of it in
context of these five attributes as a way to evaluate legislative actions that affect energy. And I would hope that taken together, we
can agree that these are the attributes that should allow our policies to advance.
Now, as your focus on American energy security and innovation
reminds us, energyefficiency is more than just driving energy
consumption down. As I say in the blueprint here, using energy
more efficiently is akin to developing more fuel. It also encompasses the more efficient production of energy.
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Now, we must do more. We must do more to discourage the inefficiencies that I think we see oftentimes with regulation and how
that is introduced into our energy supply chain. Our aim with energy efficiency policies should be to require less energy per unit of
gross domestic product, and it is worth emphasizing that what we
want is a rising GDP here as a measure of increasing prosperity.
To underscore for the discussion of efficiency, we must never lose
sight of the fact that we want our Nationin fact, we want the
world to be more prosperous, and we know prosperity is an aid to
peace and human development, and energy is an aid to prosperity,
so the title for the hearing today reminds us that we must see efficiency within the context of energy security and innovation.
I am honored to be here with Senator Shaheen, who has been a
leader on efficiency during her tenure on the Energy Committee
with me. She continues to work with Senator Rob Portman on their
version of a comprehensive energy efficiency bill. It was, and it
thankfully remains, a bipartisan effort to make progress in an area
where you all have pointed out, agreement is imminently possible,
and I think that we saw this as the last Congress waned down. We
managed to pass an efficiency bill, the American Energy Manufacturing Technical Corrections Act. There were only two Members of
Congress that voted against that, so again, when you think about
those things that we can do together, we should be looking to efficiency.
So where do we go on efficiency this year as we look at ways to
boost the efficiency of everything that we are doing, whether it is
from the buildings here, our vehicles, our appliance, everything?
The bill that Senator Shaheen and Senator Portman will offer, I
think provides a promising path that is worthy of our consideration. You will see, complements of their work with reports from
private sector associations like the Business Roundtable, the National Association of Manufacturers, the Alliance to Save Energy,
we must continue to encourage outside stakeholders to reach these
voluntary consensus agreements so that efficiency does not become
synonymous with this top down approach of mandates that are
issued by the Federal Government. I think given the constraints on
federal finances that has been mentioned and the failure of mandates to deliver on certain promised results, those of us in the Federal Government should also put our own House in order. And as
a start, I am going to be calling upon the GAO to review current
funding and past performance of residential, commercial, and industrial energy efficiency programs within DOE, and then propose
new authorization levels based on this review.
Now finally, you have appropriately called attention with this
hearing to private sector successes and opportunities, and as privateas President Reagans Administration reminded us more
than 25 years ago, the greatest gains in energy efficiency come
from the private sector in a growing economy. So here, the governments priority should be the removal of barriers that stand in the
way of their investments and the economic growth that make them
possible.
Again, I thank you for the opportunity to come over. I think it
is important that we share our ideas between the two Houses, certainly amongst members and our parties, and I welcome the oppor-
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tunity for future dialogue on energy efficiency and all things energy.
Thank you for the opportunity to be here this morning.
[The prepared statement of Ms. Murkowski follows:]
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Mr. WHITFIELD. Well Senator Murkowski, thanks so much for
your testimony and your continued leadership, and welcome, Senator Shaheen. Weat this time, I would like to recognize you for
5 minutes for your opening statement.
STATEMENT OF HON. JEANNE SHAHEEN
Senator SHAHEEN. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, Ranking Member Rush, and the members of the committee. Thank you
for holding this very important hearing today. I am especially
pleased to be joined by Congressman Waxman, the ranking member of the full committee, and I was pleased to see Chairman
Upton here as well.
I share the views, I think, of all of you that we have just heard
from that energy efficiency is a win-win-win. We can save energy,
save pollution, we can protect our national security, and we can
also create jobs. And so it is a great place to start, and it has bipartisan support.
I am also pleased to be joining my former ranking member. I
served for 4 years on the Energy Committee with Senator Murkowski, and I know what great leadership she has provided on this
issue, as well as so many other energy issues. She pointed out that
with the assistance of this committee, last session we passed the
American Energy Manufacturing Technical Corrections Act, which
is a mouthful, but it included many energy efficiency provisions, including several from the Shaheen-Portman legislation that really
helped to lay a foundation, I think, for further discussion about energy efficiency.
I want to talk a little bit about the legislation that Senator
Portman and I have introduced, but I want to begin by putting it
in a little bit of context, as Senator Murkowski did. I think all of
us would agree that we need a comprehensive national energy policy. We remain overly dependent on foreign oil. We remain reliant
on an outdated energy infrastructure that harms American businesses and gives our overseas competitors an advantage. I think we
have to utilize a wide range of energy sources, including natural
gas, oil, nuclear, and renewables, like wind, biomass, and solar to
address our future energy needs, and that this gives us an energy
future that is more stable and gives us a stronger economy.
As you all will highlight in todays hearing, we cant just talk
about the supply side of energy; we also have to talk about how we
consume energy once we have it. Efficiency, as we all know, is the
cheapest, fastest way to deal with our energy needs and our economys energy independence.
I wanted to start with a couple of examples that I think are important as we think about the successes we can achieve through
energy efficiency. One of the most well-known is the recent
makeover of the Empire State Building, which reduced energy costs
by $4.4 million a year. It created 252 jobs, and it is estimated to
have saved 4,000 metric tons of carbon emissions. They did things
like install 6,500 new windows, a chiller plant retrofit, new building controls, and a web-based tenant energy management system.
I had the opportunity not too long ago to visit a New Hampshire
company called High Liner Foods, which is in Portsmouth, on the
seacoast of New Hampshire. It is an energy-intensive seafood proc-
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essing plant that requires a tremendous amount of energy to operate. At one point, the 180,000 square foot facility consumed roughly
2 megawatts of power at any given time during normal operations.
So next to the cost of personnel and fish, their biggest cost was energy. But by installing efficient lighting, new boilers, and various
demand response techniques, the company has made great strides
in reducing its energy consumption, which allows them to expand
their business footprint in the State, and be more cost effective in
their production.
We can also benefit from those companies that are producing energy efficiency technologies. We have a company in New Hampshire called Warner Power that has made the first breakthrough in
transformers in over 100 years. It is called the hexaformer, and if
we look at thewhere we lose power, about 5 percent of all electricity generated in the United States is lost through inefficiencies
in transformers. So with wide scale use of this transformer, the
company estimates that 1.5 percent of all transformer energy losses
could be eliminated, saving the country 60 terawatts of electricity
per year. Now, you all may know more about terawatts than I do,
but I translate that into five times New Hampshires annual electricity consumption, so significant savings.
As Senator Murkowski pointed out, energy efficiency enjoys diverse support among industry advocates. Because too much of our
debate around energy has been fossil fuels versus alternatives. It
has been about whether we benefit in the Northeast versus who
benefits in the South or the West or Alaska, and everybody benefits
from energy efficiency. It is one of the great places where we can
really come to some common agreement.
Senator Portman and I have done that over the last couple of
years. We introduced legislation last year. As I pointed out, some
of those provisions were signed into law as part of the Act. Those
provisions required federalthe DOE to utilize advanced metering
tools, the Department of Energy to study and better understand
the barriers to the deployment of industrial energy efficiency. And
we are reintroducing the legislation this year. It will include provisions around buildings that are voluntary, not mandatory, but critical because it will provide incentives, and as we all know, buildings use about 40 percent of our energy each year. It will assist the
manufacturing sector, which consumes more energy than any other
sector of the U.S. economy, and it will require the Federal Government, as you all pointed out, the single largest energy user, to
adopt more efficient building standards, smart metering technology, and Congressman Gardner, I certainly agree. We need to
do more to make sure that people can take advantage of performance contracting. The bill will have a real measurable benefit to
our economy and our environment. A study by the American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy found that last years version
of the bill would have saved consumers $4 billion by 2020, and
helped businesses add 80,000 jobs to the economy. It would also cut
carbon dioxide emissions by the equivalent of taking five million
cars off the road. And in the process, it would nothave increased
the deficit of this country at all.
We passed in the committee last session the Shaheen-Portman
legislation with broad bipartisan support. We had more than 200
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endorsements from a wide range of businesses, environmental
groups, think tanks, and trade associations, from the U.S. Chamber
of Commerce to the National Association of Manufacturers, and the
Natural Resources Defense Council, not usually a coalition that
comes together around legislation. These are the kinds of nontraditional alliances that allowed us to make progress. I think we have
the opportunity working together, both in a bipartisan way and a
bicameral way, to build on the success of the last session, and to
do something significant around energy efficiency.
I thank this committee very much for the opportunity to be here,
and for the work that you are doing, and look forward to
partnering with you.
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Mr. WHITFIELD. Well Senator Shaheen, thanks very much, and
once again, I want to thank both of you for coming over. We look
forward to continuing a dialogue and working with members of the
Senate in coming up with some solutions to these problems, and we
look forward to working with you in the future. So thank you very
much, and good luck in getting back over to the Senate.
Senator MURKOWSKI. That is the hardest part of our job.
Mr. WHITFIELD. At this time, I would like to call up the witness
on the second panel, and that is the Honorable Dr. Kathleen
Hogan, who is the Deputy Assistant Secretary for Energy Efficiency, the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy, at
the Department of Energy. So Dr. Hogan, if you would please step
forward?
Dr. Hogan, welcome. Thanks so much for taking time to join us
this morning. Before I introduce you, I just want to make one comment. You know, we have these hearings and we really value the
testimony that is provided to the committee, and we do have a rule
that we try to follow, being able to receive the testimony 2 days
prior to the hearing, and unfortunately, we received yours last
night around 7:00 p.m. I know that you have a very busy schedule,
but I hope that in the future if you all testify here, that you might
be able to get here a few days early on this testimony so we have
an opportunity to really look at it.
But thank you for being with us today. We do look forward to
your testimony and your expertise, and I will recognize you for 5
minutes for your opening statement.
STATEMENT OF HON. DR. KATHLEEN HOGAN, DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR ENERGY EFFICIENCY, OFFICE OF ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND RENEWABLE ENERGY, U.S. DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY
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them, on home upgrade programs to address the large number of
existing homes, most built before modern codes, and these programs offer savings of 15 to 30 percent. We have recently reached
the major milestone of weatherizing more than a million low income homes since 2009, helping these families save hundreds of
dollars each year. We have also partnered with over 100 commercial, industrial, and public sector organizations representing billions of building square feet, and $2 billion in financing. They have
taken the Presidents Better Buildings Challenge, with a goal of
saving 20 percent or more on their energy bills by 2020, and then
showcasing for others how to do it. Our minimum energy conservation standards that we implement now span more than 60 categories of appliances and equipment, and are currently saving consumers and businesses tens of billions of dollars each year. And as
we have heard a lot of discussion this morning, as the Nations single largest user of energy, the Federal Government does continue
to lead by example. We have reached large energy savings, water
savings, and renewable energy goals, and are on target to meet the
Presidents challenge to implement $2 billion in performance-based
contracts by December 2013, investments, as we have heard, that
will reduce our energy use at no cost to the taxpayer.
Turning to manufacturing, we are working on next generation
technologies, processes, and materials that offer substantial improvements in efficiency, and which will position U.S. competitively
for the future. In the State of the Union address, President Obama
called for a network of manufacturing institutes that would help
address cross-cutting challenges and help accelerate progress
across the country. DOE is a partner in these efforts, for example,
through a new pilot effort on additive manufacturing in Youngstown, Ohio, and we have recently announced a new energy innovation hub on critical materials at Ames Laboratory to develop solutions to domestic shortages of rare earth materials and other materials critical to U.S. energy security. We also have a strong track
record with combined heat and power, which now has new market
opportunities with lower cost natural gas, and we are supporting
the Presidents goal of 40 new gigawatts by 2020.
Finally, DOE manages a diverse transportation research portfolio
that spans many technologies and addresses light duty passenger
cars to heavy duty trucks. Building on past DOE research successes, the President has launched the EV Everywhere Grand
Challenge to spur American innovation and to make electric vehicles more affordable and convenient to own and drive than todays
gasoline-powered vehicles within the next 10 years. Electric vehicles do offer the potential for $1 a gallon gasoline equivalent, as
well as a number of consumer conveniences, and the U.S. needs to
continue to lead in this marketplace.
So we are pleased to be part of meeting these challenges and contributing to a more secure, resilient, and competitive energy economy. We look forward to see what more we can do together with
you, and thank you again for the opportunity to be here today. I
am happy to answer any questions.
[The prepared statement of Dr. Hogan follows:]
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Mr. WHITFIELD. Well, Dr. Hogan, thanks so much for your comments. We appreciate, as I said, your being here, and I will recognize myself for 5 minutes of questions.
I know you have a large portfolio of responsibilities, and certainly one of them does relate to the energy savings performance
contracts. Would I be accurate in saying that part of your responsibility is working with other agencies of the Federal Government to
encourage them to identify ways to be more efficient in their areas
of responsibility? And do you know how many existing energy savings performance contracts are active at this time?
Dr. HOGAN. So you are accurate in saying that my portfolio includes the Federal Energy Management Program that does work
with the other agencies to help them achieve a variety of energy,
water, and renewable energy targets, and to help them with energy
savings performance contracts. Currently, there are over 250perhaps 270, 280 performance contracts in place, driving investment
of more than $2.5 billion in building improvements.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Right, and my understanding, the private companies that get these contracts, they provide the financing for this
and the government simply pays it back over time with a nominal
interest charge. Is that correct?
Dr. HOGAN. Energy savings, yes. So there is a sort of shared savings mechanism.
Mr. WHITFIELD. And generally, how long do these contracts
what is the repayment terms on the contract, the length of time?
Dr. HOGAN. They can vary based on what is necessary so that
it works for the performance contracting firm. It can be 10, 15, 20
years.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Well, recently I attended a luncheon, and there
were a large number of company representatives there, and all of
them were uniformly excited about this program and very optimistic and positive about it. And I left that luncheon excited myself, because they were talking about all the great accomplishments
they had made. And then, really to my surprise, about 3 days later,
a group of employees at a federal installation came into my office,
and they were complaining about a contract that had been completed on their installation and they were talking specifically about
some sensor detectors that did not work right and some impact
that it had on boilers, and it ended up costing a lot more money.
And they had to bring people in on overtime to take care of these
problems, and they ended up even disconnecting some of the systems. And we all know that you can find something that didnt
work correctly, but generally speaking, what sort of oversight do
you have to ensure that at least those experiences are minimal?
Dr. HOGAN. So I have the Federal Energy Management Program
under my purview, and we do work with all the federal agencies
around best practices to be following up with their energy service
contracts. There are best practices for how to do evaluation, measurement, and verification on what is being achieved with these contracts, and we are happy to work with any sort of issues that address and help those agencies work them through so that we are
getting the bang for the buck that ESPCs have to offer.
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Mr. WHITFIELD. So they can always come back to you all and say
hey, we have gotthis is really not working the way it is supposed
to be working.
Dr. HOGAN. Absolutely.
Mr. WHITFIELD. OK. Well, I have no further questions at this
time. Mr. Rush, I will recognize you for 5 minutes of questioning.
Mr. RUSH. I want to thank you, Mr. Chairman, and Secretary
Hogan, it is certainly a pleasure to have you before the committee
again here. I am proud of the many accomplishments that you have
made and that your agencythe Department has made.
I want to just focus on an area that centers on low income households. It has been well-established that low income households pay
a disproportionate amount of their paychecks on energy bills, and
many urban constituents, those who live in my district, the First
Congressional District of ChicagoIllinois, rather, live in older
homes and older buildings that are less energy efficient, and therefore, they are more expensive in the summer to cool and in the
winter to heat. This leads to higher energy bills, and so my question to you is of the many programs that President Obama has implemented, many of his proposals on energy efficiency, I would like
to know which ones do you think that are most important, that will
have the most impact on our urban and low income communities?
And so which one of the programs do you think that would happen?
Dr. HOGAN. Well certainly the weatherization assistance program
has had a large impact in lowering the energy bills of low income
households. That is a several-decade old program at this point that
has weatherized six million or so homes over this period of time,
a million or so since the Recovery Act was put into place, and it
is helping these households at this point save billions of dollars. We
are doing a lot with that program to try and expand its use so it
can be more effective in multi-family housing and engage with the
owners of those buildings that need different mechanisms with
which to engage with the Federal Government. So that has just
been a very powerful program that way.
Mr. RUSH. And the public housing-owned apartments, rental
units, do you have any segmentation of the energy costs and are
theyespecially in newer public housing developments, are they
meeting energy standardsour higher energy standards? Are you
monitoring those, and what is going to be effective of those rental
units and public housing?
Dr. HOGAN. Yes, so newer buildings certainly are meeting higher
efficiency levels than the vast number of the older buildings that
are out there, and we continue to work with HUD around standards for federally-owned buildings, and work to continue to engage
with building owners of tenant-occupied space.
Mr. RUSH. I haveI think that in order to have a more vibrant
and effective energy policy and energy culture more into the future,
it is important that we frameit is important that we introduce
it is important that we teach young people, even in the early
grades of grammar school or grade school, the importance of energy. Do you see that as being a part of what you have done and
what you plan to do in the future in terms of working with the
school systems across the Nation?
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Dr. HOGAN. Yes. We have done a number of educational initiatives with students in schools around energy challenges and other
means so that we can educate people about energy in the school,
energy at home, and create such a culture. I am happy to engage
with you more on those topics.
Mr. RUSH. Well, I would like to work with your office to identify
the different types of programs and incentives that exist for lower
income constituents.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Gentlemans time is expired.
Mr. RUSH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. WHITFIELD. At this time, I recognize the gentleman from Illinois, Mr. Shimkus, for 5 minutes.
Mr. SHIMKUS. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am goingI will be
real brief.
The original mission of the Department of Energy was to decrease our reliance on imported crude oil. The mission statement
that I pulled up recently has changed a little bit. There are reports
today that we have actually imported more crude oil from Saudi
Arabia over the last month than we have in the last previous
years. So put me down as a skeptic about the benefits of parts of
the Department of Energy.
Having said that, Mr. Chairman, I would like to put into the
record a press release from the Nationalfrom the Consumer Electronics Association and National Cable and Telecommunications
Associationannounced today these companies, Comcast, DirecTV,
DISH, Time Warner Cable, Cox, Verizon, Charter, AT&T, Cablevision, Bright House Networks, and CenturyLink, and Manufacturers Cisco, Motorola, and EcoStar Technologies, and Aris, they have
come to an agreement to obviously establish set boxset top boxes
that haveare energy efficient, use the same technology as some
of the electronics, you know, the sleeping modes and stuff. This is
an example of the industry doing it without government assistance
or help. I also believe in the consumers, and I am also concerned
that if we push environmental standards and rules and regs on the
individual homeowners, that folks in the poorer regions of this
country cant afford the more expensive homes that require new
technology, versus homes that they want to purchase and live in.
So with that, Mr. Chairman
Mr. WHITFIELD. Without objection.
[The information appears at the conclusion of the hearing.]
Mr. SHIMKUS. And I yield back my time.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Gentleman yields back his time.
I recognize the gentleman from California, Mr. Waxman, for 5
minutes.
Mr. WAXMAN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Dr. Hogan, I want to ask you some questions about the national
energy efficiency standards for appliances and equipment, but before I turn to that, I want to briefly discuss a DOE rulemaking
under Section 433 of the Energy Independence and Security Act.
Section 433 requires new and substantially rebuilt federal buildings to meet strong efficiency performance standards to reduce the
use of energy generated from fossil fuels. DOE issued a proposed
rule in 2010, but it lacks sufficient detail for stakeholders to evaluate how the standards would operate in practice.
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Last summer, Senator Bingaman and I wrote to Secretary Chu
requesting DOE to issue a supplemental notice of proposed rulemaking to address issues raised by stakeholders and allow for additional public comment. Your response indicated willingness to issue
such a proposal, but we have been waiting since last August.
Dr. Hogan, is DOE committed to issuing a supplemental proposal
for implementing Section 433, and if so, by when?
Dr. HOGAN. I am happy to be here to be able to relay that, indeed, we are committed to issuing a supplemental proposed rule.
We actually do have that supplemental proposed rule at this point
with the Office of Management Budget under review, which is part
of our process before it can be shared with stakeholders. So if you
rolled back the clock just a few weeks, if you looked at the OMB
system, it would have shown that there was a final rule under review and now it will show that there is a proposed rule under review.
I think also in the letter that we sent to you, we indicated that
we did understand some of the issues that were being raised, both
by federal agencies and stakeholders, and things that needed to be
reconsidered, such as using renewable energy credits potentially to
meet some of the requirements, how to define a retrofit or renovation, as well as how to deal with CHP and those are the types of
issues that we will be addressing in this supplemental notice.
Mr. WAXMAN. Will this proposal address the concerns stakeholders have raised regarding how to define major renovation that
potential use of energy credits for compliance and clarifying the
treatment of combined heat and power?
Dr. HOGAN. Yes.
Mr. WAXMAN. Section 433 was intended to reduce carbon pollution by promoting energy efficiency and renewable energy in government buildings in a common sense and reasonable manner. For
example, it directs the Secretary to consider whether there are significant opportunities for substantial improvements in energy efficiency in determining whether a renovation is major and subject to
the standards. Dr. Hogan, will you commit to work closely with the
stakeholders throughout the rulemaking process to ensure that the
rule is practical, reasonable, and effective?
Dr. HOGAN. Absolutely we will make that commitment.
Mr. WAXMAN. Thank you. Dr. Hogan, in your testimony you referenced the tremendous effectiveness of energy efficiency standards
for appliances and equipment. Could you please elaborate on that?
Dr. HOGAN. Sure. So the Department of Energy implements an
appliance standards program. We implement them under congressional authorization to do so. I think there is always an interesting
conversation around these standards. One of the ways to look at it
is we are typically given authority to implement these standards
when different states are taking different approaches, which creates a patchwork effect across the country that is very difficult for
manufacturers to deal with. That is typically when they go to the
Congress and ask for the Department to have such authorities.
Mr. WAXMAN. Dr. Hogan, as I understand, the Department implements minimum energy conservation standards for more than
60 categories of appliances and equipment. As a result of these
standards implemented since 1987, energy users are estimated to
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have saved tens of billions of dollars on their utility bills in 2010.
Is that right?
Dr. HOGAN. That is right. These standards that create a minimum level for the products that can be sold in this country are
saving tens of billions of dollars.
Mr. WAXMAN. I understand there are at least five proposed or
final efficiency standards that have been sitting at OMB for over
a year, and I understand that DOE has missed the rulemaking
deadlines for another four standards that have not yet gone to
OMB. I assume this is correct? Am I right?
Dr. HOGAN. That is in the ballpark, yes.
Mr. WAXMAN. Well, it makes no sense. These standards save
money, strengthen our economy, and reduce pollution. I urge the
Administration to move forward and get them finalized.
Thank you so much for your
Dr. HOGAN. Thank you.
Mr. WAXMAN [continuing]. Participation in the hearing. Thank
you, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Thank you, Mr. Waxman.
I might just say that in the spirit of all of the above energy policy, many of us would like to get rid of Section 433, because it certainly discriminates against area of energy supply.
At this time, I would like to recognize the gentleman from Louisiana, the vice chairman, Mr. Scalise, for 5 minutes.
Mr. SCALISE. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate you being
with us, Ms. Hogan, and you know, as the chairman referenced,
Section 433and I think the ranking member of the full committee
just was talking about that, too, and the rulemaking process. Can
you tell me what kind of concerns you all have heard about these
supplemental rules being developed?
Dr. HOGAN. What we hear is stakeholders are looking for a fair
amount of flexibility in the implementation of the standards. So
some of the questions that have been raised are around the definition of a major renovation, so what actually triggers these significant savings requirements, whether or not you can use renewable
energy credits to meet some of these savings targets, and how it
is that CHP would be counted. Those are the types of issues that
we think we can address through a notice of proposed rule and effectively engage stakeholders in getting to resolution.
Mr. SCALISE. And it is something that concerns a lot of us, you
know, just that section in general, you know, and I think we will
be looking at it some more.
The Federal Government is the largest user of electricity and
fuel in the country, so I would like to know what steps you are taking to actually go throughout federal agencies and achieve real efficiencies and savings in the Federal Government.
Dr. HOGAN. So the Federal Government currently is subject to a
number of savings targets, either through congressional action or
through executive orders.
Mr. SCALISE. Which ones are actually saving taxpayers money?
I am not talking about objectives and goals down the road years
from now. How are you saving the taxI mean, when we came in
2 years ago into the Majority, we said we need to start controlling
spending, because 40 cents of every dollar is borrowed money, and
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we started with ourselves. We actually cut our own budgets here
in the House. We cut the budgets for congressional offices, because
we felt like you have to put your money where your mouth is. So,
you know, as you all are going around telling everybody else to
change their lifestyles, what kind of things are you doing within
the Federal Government to save taxpayers money in terms of
Dr. HOGAN. Sure. So take energy, the energy intensity of the
Federal Government has been reduced by approximately 15 percent
over the last 10 years or more. Also on water savings, we are meeting significant savings targets there as well. Both of those lead to
substantial dollar savings across the federal fleet.
Mr. SCALISE. I think a lot of us would say if you just, you know,
turned out all the lights over at, you know, some of these agencies
that are putting radical regulations in place that are costing us
jobs and making families have to pay more for food and for electricity and for gasoline, you would probably not only become more
efficient, you would help families and get this economy moving
again.
I just throw one suggestion out there as we are talking about efficiency, you know, the President today and every day for the last
couple of days has sequesters going around. He has been flying
around on Air Force One all around the country, trying to scare
people about the effects, many of which are not even accurate on
this sequester. I think you could probably be a lot more efficient,
you might want to call the White House to tell him, just park Air
Force One. I mapped it out. It is only less than 2 miles for the
President just to drive right down here to the Capitol and sit down
and let us work this thing out instead of flying all around the country, tens of thousands of miles, and using who knows how much
fuel. You know, just park Air Force One and go the maybe 2 miles
down here and just sit around a table and figure this thing out.
But that might be a way to save a lot of energy. I am not sure if
you want to pass that on to the White House. It might be a good
idea.
With that, I yield back the balance of my time, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Thank you, Mr. Scalise.
At this time, I recognize the gentleman from California, Mr.
McNerney, for 5 minutes.
Mr. MCNERNEY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I appreciate
your opinion on that, Mr. Scalise.
I thank you, Dr. Hogan, for coming and testifying today, and for
your hard work in the Department. I just have a question about
rate of return. Whatdo you have sort of an average rate of return
a household might experience by investing in energy efficiency
technology? How many years would it take backto pay back a
$5,000 investment in new windows or something like that, if it is
just taking out of energy savings?
Dr. HOGAN. Yes, so every home can be a little bit different, but
I think there is a fair number of improvements somebody in their
home can make that can have a payback of 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 years.
Mr. MCNERNEY. Soand that is not including federal subsidies,
or is that including?
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Dr. HOGAN. That would be without any type of subsidies. That
would just be based on doing insulation, windows, a more efficient
furnace, et cetera.
Mr. MCNERNEY. So the homes in lower income areas are going
to be less efficient than the new homes in the more affluent areas,
so they would have quicker rate of return, perhaps, than the newer
homes, so federal help in that would be very effective in terms of
reducing energy use and saving people money?
Dr. HOGAN. Yes, I think people use incentives for any number of
reasons. One is to help buy down the cost of these improvements,
but also, as we know from utility programs around the country, you
use some incentives just to even get peoples attention, just to help
get those improvements moving.
Mr. MCNERNEY. Thank you. I was very thrilled to hear you talk
about water savings. You know, I am from California and we have
water wars out there, and water savings is a double win, because
you are not only saving water, but you are saving energy because
so much energy is needed to produce and deliver water. Are there
significant programs in place to incentivize western users, particularly in southern California, to save water?
Dr. HOGAN. We can look into that and get back. Certainly not at
the federal level, but there is certainly the issues with water in
California are being addressed by a number of the California agencies, and I know they are trying to put programs in place very similar to what the energy utilities have been doing for years.
Mr. MCNERNEY. OK, one more area of questioning. Again, I was
thrilled to hear you talk about electric vehicles, but I have heard
some concern about companies installing equipment that might
service all kinds of vehicles. Are you working with companies to address potential concerns of these businesses for installing stations
that can accommodate all vehicles? What is the plan in terms of
getting this out there in the business world?
Dr. HOGAN. Yes, so we are trying to engage with organizations
of all kinds around building out the right infrastructure around alternative vehicles. We have a Clean Cities Program that works
with cities around, you know, helping them plan for the right infrastructure and build it out based on sort of what makes sense in
their regions, and want to be doing this in as an efficient and effective a way as possible.
Mr. MCNERNEY. So we are moving forward aggressively in that?
Dr. HOGAN. Yes.
Mr. MCNERNEY. And I think the new automobile efficiency
standards are going to go a long ways in terms of getting us to use
less fuel, and I applaud your efforts on that.
Dr. HOGAN. Thank you.
Mr. MCNERNEY. Thank you. With that, I yield back, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Thank you very much.
At this time, I recognize the gentleman from Texas, Dr. Burgess,
for 5 minutes.
Mr. BURGESS. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate you having
the hearing, appreciate the opportunity to hear from the Department of Energy.
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Let me just say for the record, I am a big believer in energy efficiency. I do think that is the low-hanging fruit. I think that is the
common ground that where certainly we can meet on many of these
issues. Every July, I do an energy efficiency summit in the district
back home in Texas. We have had speakers as diversified as David
Porter for the Texas Railroad Commission to James Woolsey, the
former Director of the CIA. I have tried to construct things in my
life around energy efficiency, the home we live in, the hybrid car
that I drive. So I am a believer in energy efficiency. I made those
decisions based upon what was right for me and my family, not
based on anything that the Federal Government told me to do.
But since you are here, let me ask you a question. The number
one question everyone in my district is asking is why are gas prices
so high right now? Gasoline prices.
Dr. HOGAN. I guess it is based on the cost of production and the
cost of moving it through our systems.
Mr. BURGESS. Well, if you are in the Department of Energy, presumably you have these discussions, correct?
Dr. HOGAN. The Department of Energy does have discussions
about what we can do in the short term and in the long term to
address gas prices. I think in the short term what we can do is
really give people tips about how to use the gasoline that they are
using as efficiently as possible, and then in the longer term, we can
clearly be figuring out how to increase low-cost supply, as well as
use alternative fuel vehicles and further development in that space.
Mr. BURGESS. Well, it is of concern that here we are in February,
and back home in Texas right before I came up here, I filled up
the hybrid with gasoline that cost $3.70 a gallon in Texas in February. That means in New York, after Memorial Day, they will be
closing in on $5 a gallon gasoline. So I think this is a matter of
some importance, and since the Department of Energy is involved
in this, and this may have a direct effect on our economy generally.
No one can forget that just before the meltdown that occurred in
2008, our gasoline prices and diesel prices were sky high, and they
certainly had an effect on the economy, so I would think this would
be something that you would be discussing internally and maybe
even some interagency discussions. Do you ever pick up the phone
and call the people at the Commodities Futures Trading Commission?
Dr. HOGAN. We do engage in conversations across the Federal
Government, and we, of course, are very concerned about these
prices and are doing what we can do at this point, yes.
Mr. BURGESS. What does Mr. Ginsler at CFTC tell you that he
is doing that may dovetail with what you are doing with the energy
efficiency in the Department of Energy?
Dr. HOGAN. We can give you a more detailed explanation, if you
would like, on what the Federal Government is doing in this
Mr. BURGESS. I would appreciate that very much, and again, I
think that would be of general interest to people who are maybe
watching this on CSPAN.
Now, in answer toor actually, Mr. Waxman made a point about
that he wanted to see things that were common sense directions
and applied in a reasonable manner, and I think he was talking
about the Federal Energy Management Program. So you have the
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jurisdiction of federal buildings under your control, the energy efficiency of federal buildings? Is that correct?
Dr. HOGAN. That is correct.
Mr. BURGESS. Is this building under your control?
Dr. HOGAN. I believe this is under the Office of the Architect of
the Capitol.
Mr. BURGESS. But you know, I will just say from my observation,
having been in the congressional office buildings now for a few
years, since 2007, 2008. Someone came in and changed all my light
bulbs to CFLs. Nobody told me they were going to do it. Nobody
warned me not to break one over my head one night, but there I
was. I had CFLs in all the offices. Well, that is great. We are perhaps saving some energy by doing that, but no one has ever done,
as far as I can tell, an energy audit of the Rayburn Building and
discussed the effect of having single-pane glass on all of the windows. I have an office that faces west. In the summertime, it gets
beastly hot. Is this something that your office might be interested
in?
Dr. HOGAN. We are happy to have a conversation about how to
do an audit of the Capitol buildings
Mr. BURGESS. Well, I am just shocked that the architect of the
Capitol has not reached to you, as part of your mission is for the
energy efficiency of federal buildings, and this is a big federal
building that consumes a lot of energy. You changed all the light
bulbs, but maybe there were other things you should have been
looking at as well.
Dr. HOGAN. Well I think if we engage the Office of the Architect,
we will see that they are doing a lot more around the Capitol buildings, and probably just started with, as we were saying, the lowhanging fruit, and certainly doing those audits is a cornerstone of
what we are doing across the entire federal family.
Mr. BURGESS. So can I assume that there are conversations between your office and the Office of the Architect of the Capitol as
far as the energy efficiency ofthe energy consumption of federal
buildings, at least on the House side?
Dr. HOGAN. We have been engaged with the Office of the Architect in their plans, yes.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Gentlemans time is expired.
Mr. BURGESS. Well, Mr. Chairman, maybe if you could share
some of that information with our office as well. We would appreciate that.
Mr. WHITFIELD. OK.
Mr. BURGESS. Thank you, and I will yield back.
Mr. WHITFIELD. At this time, I recognize the gentleman from
New York, Mr. Tonko, for 5 minutes.
Mr. TONKO. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Dr. Hogan, welcome, and I have a couple of questions about combined heat and power, and the Presidents 2012 Executive Order on
industrial energy efficiency.
What role do you see for theis the federal procurement going
to play in achieving the Presidents goals of deploying more combined heat and power systems?
Dr. HOGAN. So certainly as the largest energy user and as a big
procurer of equipment, the Federal Government has a big role to
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play, and we are currently trying to put together a broader strategy on what that role could look like. Though what we are doing
in the immediate term is exploring extending a pilot program that
we have underway in the ESPC space. We have been standing up
a pilot program called ENABLE to allow the ESCOs to engage in
the smaller buildings that are within the federal family that typically get overlooked, and we are looking to expand that ENABLE
pilot to encourage combined heat and power or allow investments
in a performance contracting way.
Mr. TONKO. Thank you, and as part of the effort to identify policy
or regulatory barriers to investing in CHP, the Executive Order
states that federal agencies will convene stakeholders to solicit
their ideas and input. Is DOE involved in that list of agencies?
Dr. HOGAN. Yes, if I am thinking about the same. So the Executive Order encouraged us to go out and engage any number of
stakeholders around how to advance CHP. We are having a set of
regional dialogues on this topic, the next one in a couple of weeks
in Baltimore, around the things that we can do, and then we are
also engaging in a report to Congress that was part of the energy
bill passed this past December to do a much more detailed analysis
around the barriers in the way of CHP and the things we can do
to remove them.
Mr. TONKO. I know that back inI think it was 98, a roadmap
was developed to take theto double CHP from, what was it, 46
gigawatts to 92, in that neighborhood
Dr. HOGAN. Yes.
Mr. TONKO [continuing]. And they somewhat met that goal, that
target deadline. Where do you believe the best opportunities exist
today for deployment of CHP?
Dr. HOGAN. I think we are at a very interesting point right now
for CHP in that there are many, many, many opportunities, from
large heat process type industries to smaller industries and into
the residential and commercial sectors. I think you will hear from
another panel member today on this topic, but I think also as we
look at the post-Sandy period of time, there is a lot more interest
in things that offer enhanced energy security linked to stave off the
aftermath of these storms.
Mr. TONKO. And in the midst of all of that, do you see a particular industrial sector that might be targeted for best retrofitting
to CHP?
Dr. HOGAN. So the industrial sectors that make the greatest
sense are ones that have some amount of heat load, so again, that
can be pretty broad.
Mr. TONKO. In the efforts of the State of the Union for the race
to the top for energy efficiency, how is that going to be developed?
I am asking that from my perspective in the State of New York,
which has been rather aggressive about doing energy efficiency. Do
we get impacted for being a progressive State in regard to a baseline that might be well in advance of other States? How would we
fare in that whole race to the top?
Dr. HOGAN. So we will be happy to engage stakeholders in a conversation about how this program will be designed. At this point,
the next point when there will be more information about this pro-
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gram will be in the rollout of the Presidents budget, and then after
that we will be happy to engage with you more directly.
Mr. TONKO. I would just indicate a concern there that if you have
done great work, you ought to be rewarded for that and continue
to do more, and the consumers should not be held back or impactednegatively impacted because of it.
I am just about out of time. I was going to go into weatherization, but then let me just make a pitch for weatherization activities. Even though the stimulus did a great deal of investment to
the good, I believe there is a lot of unfinished business and would
strongly encourage that opportunity. Thank you very much.
Mr. WHITFIELD. At this time, I recognize the gentleman from Nebraska, Mr. Terry, for 5 minutes.
Mr. TERRY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you for being
here today.
What is the biggest barrier to an increased use of the energy savings performance contracts by the Federal Government? The barriers that are of concern?
Dr. HOGAN. I think one of the barriers is really just getting over
the hurdle of having many different agencies go down this path. It
takes a fair amount of knowledge to go and do that, and that is
what the Federal Energy Management Program is set up to do. But
just because we offer those services doesnt mean people necessarily
want them. And again, it is just because everybody is doing so
much in their day-to-day jobs. And I think that is one of the barriers that the Presidents Performance Contracting Challenge is
really helping overcome. Challenging the agencies to commit to $2
billion with energy savings performance contracting means each
agency has its own goal and each agency is working through a set
of projects to meet those goals. So I think we will have largely addressed that particular barrier by December 2013.
Mr. TERRY. All right. On weatherization, you may have read
some stories from my district where there were several million dollars issued for weatherization in the city, and it was something like
14 or 15 homes that were actually provided the services. But yet,
the money is gone. And so weatherization, at least in our area, is
not a program that is held in high esteem. It is an example of the
waste and fraud.
So could you point out the internal DOE structure to oversee the
weatherization program and to ensure that 80 percent of it, the
dollars that are provided, arent being used for administrative purposes?
Dr. HOGAN. Sure. First let me say that issues with weatherization really were the exception and not the rule, and there is a very
comprehensive set of quality assurance procedures in place, on top
of the fact that only a certain portion of the dollars can be used
for administrative purposes.
Mr. TERRY. And what percentage is that?
Dr. HOGAN. I think it is about 20 percent.
Mr. TERRY. Twenty percent is allowed for administrative purposes
Dr. HOGAN. In all.
Mr. TERRY [continuing]. And then the rest has to
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Dr. HOGAN. Be put to work to improve low-income family homes.
So yes.
Mr. TERRY. And so whenhow wouldthere were several stories
in our local paper outing this scam. Do those rise up toin DOE,
do people catch those so you can begin an investigation, and how
is an investigation into that type of waste and fraudwell, what
triggers an investigation? Can you investigate that?
Dr. HOGAN. Absolutely we can investigate that. Any time we
hear of an issue, it is investigated and we do everything in our
power to correct it and recoup any dollars that may have been misused.
Mr. TERRY. Will you check for me and get back to me with what
you have done on the Omaha situation with the waste and fraud
in that program?
Dr. HOGAN. We would be happy to do that.
Mr. TERRY. Thank you. Yield back.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Thank you, Mr. Terry.
At this time, I recognize the gentlelady from California, Ms. Matsui, for 5 minutes.
Ms. MATSUI. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Thank you,
Dr. Hogan, for being here.
Energy efficiency is a key component for shifting our Nation towards a clean energy economy. We have made great progress in
changing the way we use and conserve energy, but we need to do
much more. I believe one area where we can make a significant impact is by providing sound financing mechanisms to individuals
eager to make energy efficiency upgrades to their home. In fact,
last fall in my district of Sacramento, we launched a revamped
public-private partnership born out of the Recovery Act funds to
encourage residential energy upgrades.
The demand for residential energy retrofits is strong. Property
Assessed Clean Energy, or PACE programs, are one approach to financing home retrofits. With PACE, homeowners can finance energy efficiency improvements without an upfront cost through a
voluntary assessment on their property. Unfortunately, PACE programs have faced some major hurdles.
Dr. Hogan, does DOE support innovative financing mechanisms
that would help homeowners make these important upgrades?
Dr. HOGAN. Yes, through our work at the Department of Energy,
we are very supportive of innovative financing mechanisms and
doing everything that we can to help pull out the lessons learned
and share them with others, as well as working to help States and
local governments continue to leverage and improve the effectiveness of the revolving loan funds that they were able to stand up
with Recovery Act dollars.
Ms. MATSUI. OK, now is there a way to get PACE programs back
on track through administrative means? Are you or the White
House still engaging FHFA to restore this program?
Dr. HOGAN. I think what we have all heard from FHA is FHA
would like more data to better understand how these loans perform, and so the Department of Energy is actively engaged in
working with others to try and pull together the type of data that
the finance industry needs to understand this loan performance.
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Ms. MATSUI. So you are looking at probably similar approaches
to facilitate this growing demand?
Dr. HOGAN. Exactly.
Ms. MATSUI. OK, great.
Dr. Hogan, some have suggested that we dont need government
policies to boost energy efficiency. They say that if customers really
wanted energy efficiency, the market will supply it. But my understanding is that there are a lot of market failures in this area. The
classic example is the situation where the landlord has no incentive
to weatherize an apartment because a tenant pays the utility bills.
Dr. Hogan, could you please discuss some of the market failures
that allow energy waste to persist, even when it could be cost effective to deploy efficiency measures, and are these market failures
significant?
Dr. HOGAN. I think we can see from the opportunity that we all
talk about over and over with energy efficiency that there is a list
of market barriers that hinder people from making what might be
the economically rational choice, and that can just be that some of
the more efficient products do cost a little bit more up front, even
if they have a very attractive payback associated with them. And
some of it is just hard to get the information so that you know
what that payback would look like. So those are the types of things
around which policies can be very helpful in helping people get
these savings.
Ms. MATSUI. Could you explain further on that what the policies
might be?
Dr. HOGAN. Better information and clearly, the reason we do appliance standards as well is because we can help consumers get the
savings that are there from the more efficient products whenever
there is a cost effective opportunity to do so.
Ms. MATSUI. OK. I just also want to follow up on what my colleague from New York has talked about, about the race to the top
for efficiency. You know, California has been involved in this a long
time, since the 70s with the grandfather of energy efficiency, Art
Rosenfeld, and so we dont want to be, in a sense, starting from
baseline, which is artificial in a sense, so we would love to have
that discussion with you.
I have no further questions, so I yield the balance of my time.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Thank you very much. At this time, I recognize
the gentleman from Louisiana, Dr. Cassidy, for 5 minutes.
Mr. CASSIDY. I am going to defer to my gentlemanmy colleague
from Texas for a turn, please.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Gentleman from Texas is recognized.
Mr. OLSON. I than the chair, and good morning, Dr. Hogan. Welcome. I appreciate your time and expertise.
One of the instances where energy is lost, regardless of the initial source, is in transmission. The wires we use are largely copper.
They lose significant amounts of energy as they travel from place
to place. Many people may not realize this because Texas is the
number one producer of oil and gas, but we are the number one
producer of wind in America. The problem with our wind is it is
generated in the panhandle in western Texas. We need it in eastern Texas, Houston, Dallas, Ft. Worth, San Antonio, Austinin
some cases, 700 miles away. But University of Houston is trying
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to change that. Having recently been named a Tier I research university and being led by an innovative and hands-on chancellor, Dr.
Randy Coture, U of H has created an energy research park. One
project that they are doing at the University of Houston energy research park is working on superconducting wires that are up to 20
percent more efficient than current wires. This is not just an academic project. U of H intends to prove this works by rewiring their
main campus with these superconducting wires. In true Texas tradition, they are going all in, putting their futureand more importantly, the future of over 300,000 studentson the line. Are you
aware of this project being developed at the University of Houston
energy research park?
Dr. HOGAN. I personally am not, but it certainly does sound very
exciting.
Mr. OLSON. Well since you are not familiar with it, I would like
to offer you a chance to come down and see it. I mean, if you have
got some time, we go right here to Reagan International Airport,
have a direct shot on United Airlines to Intercontinental Airport
down in Houston. I would love to take you down there and see the
energy research park.
Dr. HOGAN. We would be very interested.
Mr. OLSON. Earlier today I had a meeting with the people from
ABS, which is the American Bureau of Shipping. One energy efficiency they are looking at is natural gas, in fact, liquid natural gas
for transports of maritime vehicles. In fact, Nasco, the shipbuilder,
is actually building their first project where one of the big ships
will be powered by LNG, going to the Caribbean area and that part
of the country. What do you think about that issue for energy efficiency, natural gas as opposed to traditional fossil fuels?
Dr. HOGAN. Certainly we can have a conversation about that as
well.
Mr. OLSON. OK. Well one further question for you, maam. I
mean, again, our biggest challenge right nowone thing we have
in west Texas as well, getting to the Defense Department, they are
being very innovative with their energy resources, their needs. Fort
Bliss in El Paso, the largest basethe largest geographic base in
America, is actually doing great things with solar because they
have the sun out there. In fact, they are hoping to be actually a
net exporter some time, getting energy off the base and helping
local communities. I mean, that is one example of what the Federal
Government can do, but again, my biggest concern, what I am
hearing from back home, is let the market decide what the technology is. Dont enforce some sort of technology fromso I ask your
assistance going forward. Listen to the market and help us get this
superconducting technology going on. Come on down and see it. I
would really appreciate it.
Dr. HOGAN. Terrific.
Mr. OLSON. Thank you. Yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. WHITFIELD. At this time, I recognize the gentlelady from
Florida, Ms. Castor, for 5 minutes.
Ms. CASTOR. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and welcome. Secretary
Hogan. Thank you for meeting with me a couple of months ago to
advise on all the great things that are going on with energy efficiency. I think there is so much more to do all across the country
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for families and businesses, so I encourage you to keep at it, and
we can unleash the powers of American ingenuity and really empower families and businesses, and save money at the same time.
I also wanted to thank you for your attention to the historic investments under weatherization. Under the Recovery Act, I think
you said we were able to weatherize one million homes. And let me
tell you what that means in my area, in the Tampa Bay area in
Florida. That means that thousands of the folks that I represent
are saving money on their energy bills, while at the same time, we
created a lot of jobs. We created a lot of jobs in a time when the
unemployment rate was really hurting families, and the legacy it
has left is very important. Now our community colleges, with that
investment, have ongoing weatherization training initiatives. They
are still creating jobs, even though the money, the investments
from the Recovery Act have tapered off. For families that struggle
to get by, if they are able to save a few hundred dollars or a thousand dollars a year on their electric bill, that is very meaningful
to them. That means they can do better at the grocery store, they
can do better with other bills that come in. So thank you for your
attention to that.
Is all of the investments under the Recovery Act for weatherization, is that all invested now, or are States across the country still
rolling out any of those monies?
Dr. HOGAN. The vast majority of the Recovery Act dollars for
weatherization is now spent, so yes, it is
Ms. CASTOR. And what is the status of ongoing weatherization efforts?
Dr. HOGAN. That is a good question. Right now, given the continuing resolution that we are now under, we are working hard to
give the States the information they need to go into their next program. It is a little bit complicated because of the continuing resolution which continues the weatherization budget at a level well
below where it had been historically
Ms. CASTOR. It is just such a huge payback for the federal dollars
that we can invest back home in our local communities that save
our constituents money, so that money comes back to them, then
we create jobs, and we are still kind of stuck at this 7.9 unemployment rate, and it is just difficult to watch the Congress self-inflict
a wound and set us back at a time when the economy is getting
better and I see great improvements and people are hiring.
So wethat is our responsibility here, and I encourage my colleagues to think about that as these indiscriminate across-theboard cutsthis is an area that we should continue to invest in,
because it has paid such great dividends across the country.
And for my colleagues that worry about gas prices, I have to say,
we are fortunate to be living through a time when we have made
such progress in fuel economy for our vehicles. You know, I have
a member of the family that boughtis leasing one of those electric
vehicles. Since October, he has not visited a gas station. He has not
purchased gas. I know my friends from Louisiana and the gas producing areas, they probably dont like that, but you know how
much money that is saving and how much that is saving families
across the country? This is remarkable progress. It is saving consumers money. If you can buy a fuel-efficient vehicle, on average,
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that means that $1,700 back in the pocket of consumers where they
can spend it on their families or their small businesses. It helps
with climate change because the carbon dioxide from burning gasoline and diesel contributes to theto global warming and changes
in the climate. It is reducing our oil dependence costs. Dependence
on oil makes us vulnerable to oil market manipulation and price
shocks. It increases energy sustainability. Oil is a non-renewable
resource, and we cannot sustain our current rate of use indefinitely. So using it wisely and conserving is, frankly, just smart.
Looking ahead, what are the challenges you see with fuel economy and lengthening the life of the batteries of these vehicles, and
what are you optimistic about?
Dr. HOGAN. I think we are very optimistic about what we can do
across a whole set of vehicle technologies. Certainly I already spoke
to the new research effort around electric vehicles and what we can
do there to make them much more cost competitive over the next
10 years, as well as convenient from the standpoint of the consumer, and then, of course, make available something along the
lines of a dollar per gallon gasoline through electricity.
I think we are also interested in what we can do with advanced
combustion. We are doing a lot more there as well, and we think
we will be very well-positioned to be working with U.S. auto manufacturers to meet the CAFE AE1 standards as they continue to
ramp up in the coming years.
Mr. WHITFIELD. The gentleladys time is expired.
At this time, I recognize the gentleman from Louisianaoh, Mr.
McKinley from West Virginia for 5 minutes.
Mr. MCKINLEY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you for
your patience, Dr. Hogan.
Let us just start by saying I am very supportive of all the initiatives on energy efficiency, and as one of just two engineers in Congress, it is a delight to be able to try to work and improve that a
little further.
But I have got two questions for you. The GAO came out 2 years
ago with a report that said there are 11 agencies handling green
buildings or 11 agencies offering 94 separate initiatives, and they
said thatby their own report, they are saying that we can benefit
with more collaboration. Can you share with us briefly what you
have accomplished over the last 2 years in either combining them,
because with budget constraints right now, wouldnt it make more
sense instead of having 11 agencies handling green buildings to
just a handful or fewer? Have you accomplished any of that?
Dr. HOGAN. Yes, we are doing a lot of coordination across the federal agencies
Mr. MCKINLEY. Different than what you were prior to 2 years
ago?
Dr. HOGAN. We are. I think we are getting more and more efficient as we go forward. I would also say, just going back to that
GAO study, when you just count things it makes it look like there
may be more duplication overlap than there may actually be, because I oversee the Federal Energy Management Program, which
has an important role in engaging with each of the agencies with
their senior sustainability officials around their work.
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Mr. MCKINLEY. Could you get back to me, please, with some of
thewhat you have done to help consolidate, so that we can use
the moneyinstead of doing it administratively, wouldnt it make
more sense if we could pass that on to the consumers in some fashion by reducing those costs at the Federal Government level?
The second issue I have is a bit of a paradox. Someone at my
former firmwe designed a lot of schools and a lot of public buildings, and we knew that often what the cost was for operation of
an older building, because they didnt meet all the new standards,
the air quality and/or air quality standards. There was a cost that
you can assume in the operation, but now under the new standards, new buildings are typicallyfor operational costs are increasing in costs primarily because of the standards that are set for
fresh air to come into a classroom where you have to have four to
twelve air changes per minuteper hour, as compared to where it
had been before where we hadmaybe sometimes where you had
an individual unit, they would close the damper and there was no
fresh air coming into Johnnys classroom. So now we are introducing that. So we have a paradox. We are trying to improve our
air quality and efficiency, but we are increasing costs to the consumer. How do youhow are you dealing with that?
Dr. HOGAN. We certainly understand that issue and we are working to make sure that we are looking holistically at the costs for
these buildings. Certainly we want to be promoting technology that
meets our national objectives, but in a way that also keeps the
costs in a good space for the people that have to pay those bills,
and really offer the savings that are there to be gotten. So we are
looking at the O&M costs.
Mr. MCKINLEY. You do recognize, then, that the new standards
and I subscribe to them. I am in agreement with them because
they are improving our indoor air quality, but they are raising the
cost of operation.
Dr. HOGAN. When you need mechanical ventilation there is a cost
there, but I think when you look across everything that is going on
in these buildings, you see that that can be done in a very low cost
way. So you are delivering a much more lowe-cost building for people to be living in.
Mr. MCKINLEY. Do you seewith these standards, do you acceptI guess I am building back off that same premise, because I
am glad we are providing fresher air into that, but do you acknowledge that perhaps the old buildingsin some of these buildings,
the indoor air quality wasnt as good as it is today by what we are
doing, by bringing in fresh air?
Dr. HOGAN. I think that is a complicated question that requires
a longer conversation.
Mr. MCKINLEY. Stop by. I am over in Cannon. Let us see if we
cant follow up with that, because I think we have a dilemma here
in Congress about indoor air quality versus outdoor air quality, and
I would like to make sure we have a good discussion about that so
when those asthma attacks that people refer to often perhaps are
being caused by our indoor air quality and the fact that we are not
adhering to the various codes and standards that have been set
forth. So if you could please stop, I would like to do that very
much.
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Thank you very much. I yield back my time.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Gentlemans time is expired.
Mr. Griffith, do you have any questions? Mr. Gardner? Dr.
Cassidy? Dr. Cassidy is recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. CASSIDY. Good afternoon.
Young families want the most square footage they can get in the
place with the best school district. For them to invest in energy
saving things which have only a payoff over 10 years really defeats
that purpose, and so the way they are trying to scrape money together, how can I get the best square footage in the best school district if I invest $3,000 in which the payoff is only over 10 years,
that is that many fewer square feet I can purchase. Does that
make sense? You look quizzical, so I am not sure I am being clear.
Dr. HOGAN. I understand what you are saying.
Mr. CASSIDY. So really if we are talking about market mechanisms, it seems like much of what we discuss almost is by fiat, almost by definition, because really under the current way we finance mortgages, that family, again, has to make that tradeoff, less
square footage or not as good a school district in order to have
some of these things which we all agree would be wise for energy
efficiency. Again, does that make sense?
Dr. HOGAN. Yes, I think the way we have been looking at some
of these home purchases is through the total cost of ownership, so
if you look at the cost of a mortgage plus the cost of the energy
bill
Mr. CASSIDY. Now that, though, right nowwe have investigated
this. The cost of energy bill is not currently used by mortgage underwriters in terms of discerning someones ability to get a mortgage. So when you look at it, is that really impacting that young
family with three kids trying to get the better home sort of thing?
Dr. HOGAN. Yes, there is an issue as to where that young family
is and how large a mortgage they can get and whether they are at
that maximum level of a mortgage. But I think what we have seen
in recent years is that hasnt been the biggest barrier.
Mr. CASSIDY. Now, I will tell you, when I sawthis came to
mind last year because of Senators Isaacson and Bennet put forward their SAVE Act, we have been thinking the same concept, but
when I spoke to bankers, they really do not include the energy cost
in a mortgage, or somebodys suitability. Frankly, we cant talk
about market mechanisms until we address this if we are thinking
of that young family. Would you concede that, and if so, how do we
proceed?
Dr. HOGAN. Well I think we can proceed in a number of ways.
One is let us continue to have the conversation on the role of energy bills, because certainly a lower energy bill does give a household more money to spend
Mr. CASSIDY. But again, if the payoff is 10 years for that energy
saving intervention, really, that family doesnt look at that 10-year
savings. Does that make sense?
Dr. HOGAN. You mean because it is
Mr. CASSIDY. They are on a cash flow basis. It is not as if they
have got a lot of money in the bank that they can invest and see
the payoff over 10 years. They are just now meeting their bills, and
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anything that pays off over 10 years is probably not uppermost in
their mind.
Dr. HOGAN. There is the standpoint from the family. There is the
standpoint from the banker, right, but from the standpoint of the
family, if you have a more efficient home and you had to pay a little bit extra and it is rolled into your mortgage, as an example
Mr. CASSIDY. Yes, but that doesnt occur right now.
Dr. HOGAN. But it can. Those mortgages are available. Energy efficient mortgages are available. Part of it is an access and awareness issue as opposed to
Mr. CASSIDY. I would love to see that, because when I spoke to
the bankerswe had some people come in because we were pursuing thisand the bankers said listen, we have a proprietary
mechanism by which we determine if somebody is eligibleit is
proprietary to our bank, not industry-wide, and we do not include
this and we are not quite sure how.
Dr. HOGAN. OK.
Mr. CASSIDY. So if you have those, we would love it if you could
see that.
Do you have awareness of Isaacson and Bennets SAVE Act?
Dr. HOGAN. I do.
Mr. CASSIDY. What are your thoughts about that?
Dr. HOGAN. I think in general we are very supportive of the goals
of the proposals that can help motivate home improvements.
Mr. CASSIDY. So let me just switch subjects. When I speak to
home builders, they look at the regulations put out by DOE and
they feel that sometimes something that is proscribed for one place
wouldnt apply in another. And little things, for example, in my
State, in Louisiana, if you plant an oak tree on the west or south
side, frankly, you will get a heck of a lot of benefit, but there is
no kind of calculation in terms of that, in terms of the overall cost
efficiency of a home. Their suggestion was that you bring in stakeholders coming up with metrics so that someone could pick and
choose, saying listen, insulation really works well here. It is worth
bang for the buck, and this other intervention cost me a heck of
a lot of money, but I am not going to get a payoff for 20 years.
Probably I will have sold the home by then. Any possibility of that
sort of thing?
Dr. HOGAN. I think there is a robust conversation ongoing
through the codes organizations about a more performance-based
path to get to an outcome in the least costly way. I think people
are always interested
Mr. CASSIDY. So they feel as if your DOE regulations, though, are
not outcomes based but rather they are sort of you put in this
amount of foam and this amount of this, and their criticismand
I have learned to say what I have been told, not what I know, so
Dr. Hogan, you may say oh my gosh, you are totally wrong on this,
but their criticism is that your standards are less performancebased and more you shall put in 6 inches of foam sort of thing.
Dr. HOGAN. And both pathways are there. There are performance-based provisions in the codes. I wouldnt quite call them our
codes. These are codes that are created by model code authorities
and the Department of Energys role has been to do an energy savings determination relative to those codes to show that they do
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offer meaningful savings over the prior code, so they are a stakeholder-driven process to which the Department of Energy will also
bring technical information to the table for consideration, which is
why there is an ongoing venue through which we can have all of
these conversations.
Mr. CASSIDY. Thank you. Thank you, and I yield back.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Gentlemans time is expired.
At this time, I am going to recognize the gentleman from New
Hampshire as a valuable member of the Energy and Commerce
Committee. He doesnt happen to serve on the Energy and Power
Subcommittee, and so he has waited patiently until the end, and
now he is recognized for 5 minutes for questions.
Mr. WELCH. Mr. Chairman, I thank you very much, Mr. Ranking
Member. By the way, having this hearing on efficiency this early
in our congressional term is tremendous, so I want to thank you
and I think all of do.
In listening to this and talking to my colleagues, a couple of
things. Number one, there does seem to be strong bipartisan cooperation and leadership on efficiency, and then second, there is
really three questions that this committee has got to sort through,
I think. Number one, what can the government do on its own. Congressman Gardner and I are really focused on these energy saving
performance contracts, and I want to come back to this, but that
is completely within the ability of government on its own to do useful things to save the taxpayer money, and also make a contribution to cleaning up our environment.
Second, there is a question of what can private citizens and companies do on their own? And I know Congressman Burgess has
been very muchon his own personal situation, very much focused
on energy efficiency and has some skepticism about steps that government takes that are either unnecessary or get in the way. Those
are fair questions, and I hope our committee will ask those so that
it ends up that we do is helpful and doesnt get in the way of what
private sector folks can do on their own.
But then third, there are areas where it is possible for the private sector and the public sector to cooperate and then leverage the
partnership to be successful. Congressman McKinley and I are
working on efforts to try to provide incentives to homeowners to be
able to do things that otherwise they would not be able to do.
So this is really just a plea to some extent to our committee that
even though there will be a lot of legitimate questions raised on a
practical level about what is the government role, what is the private role, what is the partnership role, I hope we will sort through
those questions to have as the outcome, Mr. Chairman, productive
steps that will allow the taxpayer and a company and the individual to save money. And this initial hearing is really helping us
on our way.
I do want to talk to you about the energy saving performance
contracts that I mentioned Mr. Gardner and I are really quite focused on. The President had a goal of $2 billion. I mean, what is
better than being able to get a company to sign up and be paid essentially by sharing in the savings? How is that coming along, and
is it possible, if this is successful, that reports I hear, that there
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could be up to $20 billion in savings that we could expand this effort?
Dr. HOGAN. Yes, so this was announced a little over a year ago,
$2 billion, and then each agency took on a goal that adds up to that
$2 billion, and the agencies are moving forward to put those
projects in place and sitting here today, we are on track to meet
that $2 billion savings goal by December 2013, which indeed is
very exciting, and I think that will allow the agencies to step back
and work with the White House to hopefully come up with a phase
two to this effort, but it is probably a little premature to say what
that would look like.
Mr. WELCH. And how about the utility performance contracts,
the private sector efforts by our utility companies?
Dr. HOGAN. So this challenge by the President included both
ESCOs as well as the utility energy savings contracts, and those
are in this mix as well.
Mr. WELCH. OK. Dr. Cassidy has left, but I was listening very
carefully to his concern about performance-based approach.
Vermont does haveI think we are the only State that has an energy savings utility, and it is because there has been a sense in
Vermont that the bestthe cheapest electricity and theis the
unit of electricity that we dont utilize. But the performance-based
approach does seem to make an awful lot of sense to the Vermont
electricity efficiency utility. How about to you?
Dr. HOGAN. So I think performance-based approaches really do
make sense for all the reasons that people were raising earlier. You
are not trying to pick a technology, you are trying to get to an outcome. So I think conceptually it really does make sense.
I think the flip side of it is when builders are building a home,
a lot of them say we just want to know what to do in this region
that is going to meet that performance-based approach. They dont
want to be doing detailed
Mr. WELCH. So you would be glad to work with the committee
or folks like Dr. Cassidy to focus on that performance-based outcome?
Dr. HOGAN. Yes.
Mr. WELCH. OK, thank you.
Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I yield back.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Peter, I knew you were from Vermont. I am
sorry, I said New Hampshire.
Mr. WELCH. Well, that is OK, but
Mr. WHITFIELD. We are glad you are here.
Mr. WELCH. Thank you. It is good to be here.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Well, that concludes the testimony of Mrs.
Hogan and questions for her, so Dr. Hogan, thank you so much for
being with us today. We look forward to working with you as we
continue forward.
At this time, I would like to call up the third and final panel.
On the third panel, we have Mr. Kevin Kosisko, who is Vice President Service, North America ABB, and he is testifying on behalf of
the National Electrical Manufacturers Association and the Industry
Energy Efficiency Coalition. We have Ms. Britta MacIntosh, who is
Vice President of Business Development, NORESCO, who is testifying on behalf of the Federal Performance Contracting Coalition.
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We have Mr. James Crouse, Executive Vice President of Sales and
Marketing, Capstone Turbine Corporation, who is testifying on behalf of the U.S. Combined Heat and Power Association. We have
Ms. Ellen Burt, Senior VP and Chief Customer Officer, Pacific Gas
and Electric Company. We have Mr. Neal Elliott, Associate Director for Research, American Council for Energy Efficient Economy,
and we have Mr. Ted Gayer, Co-Director, Economic Studies and Joseph Pechman Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution.
So I would like to welcome all of the members of this panel.
Thank you for your patience, and thanks for agreeing to join us
today to give us your views, thoughts, and expertise on this important subject. As you know, each one of you will be given 5 minutes
for your opening statement, and I would remind you to just be sure
that your microphone is on. You will notice a couple of boxes on
the table in whichwhen it is green, it means talk. When it is red,
it means stop, but we frequently go over, sobut anyway, welcome
and we will begin with you, Mr. Kosisko.
Mr. KOSISKO. Kosisko.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Kosisko. We will begin with you, and you are
recognized for 5 minutes.
STATEMENTS OF KEVIN C. KOSISKO, VICE PRESIDENT SERVICE, NORTH AMERICA, ABB, INC., ON BEHALF OF NATIONAL
ELECTRICAL MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATION AND INDUSTRIAL ENERGY EFFICIENCY COALITION; BRITTA MACINTOSH, VICE PRESIDENT, BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT,
NORESCO, ON BEHALF OF FEDERAL PERFORMANCE CONTRACTING COALITION; JAMES CROUSE, EXECUTIVE VICE
PRESIDENT OF SALES AND MARKETING, CAPSTONE TURBINE CORPORATION, ON BEHALF OF U.S. COMBINED HEAT
AND POWER ASSOCIATION; HELEN A. BURT, SENIOR VICE
PRESIDENT AND CHIEF CUSTOMER OFFICER, PACIFIC GAS
AND ELECTRIC COMPANY; R. NEAL ELLIOTT, ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR OF RESEARCH, AMERICAN COUNCIL FOR AN ENERGY-EFFICIENT ECONOMY; AND TED GAYER, CODIRECTOR, ECONOMIC STUDIES AND JOSEPH A. PECHMAN SENIOR
FELLOW, THE BROOKINGS INSTITUTE
STATEMENT OF KEVIN C. KOSISKO
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NEMA is the trade association of electrical equipment and medical imaging manufacturers. Its member companies produce everything from power transmission and distribution equipment to lighting systems, factory automation and controls and medical diagnostic imaging systems.
The IEEC is a coalition of six of the largest global industrial automation and control system companies. Those companies are
Eaton Corporation, GE, Rockwell Automation, Schneider Electric,
and Siemens, in addition to ABB. We are technology providers that
industry uses to make their processes more energy efficient, reduce
costs and increase competitiveness.
ABB and IEEC believe that energy efficiency is the cheapest,
cleanest alternative fuel. It drives competition and industrial success, and the good news is that there are proven, available technologies that are already having an impact. My written statement
offers examples of energy efficiency successes and case studies from
each member of the IEEC. Yet together, our examples barely touch
the breadth of current deployments and future possibilities.
A recent survey of manufacturing executives demonstrates their
understanding of the importance of energy efficiency and the impediments to its use. Executives report basing their energy efficiency investment decisions on cost benefit analyses and the price
of energy far more than other considerations. Regulatory compliance was a distant third. Yet fewer than 40 percent of those surveyed had invested in efficiency in the past 3 years. In the U.S.,
the situation is even starker with only 21 percent having invested
in equipment to improve energy use in the last 3 years. The majority of those were in highly energy-intensive manufacturing industries such as mining, metals, chemical production, and petroleum
refining. This gap between awareness and action was attributed to
three key factors. Nearly half of the respondents cited the lack of
clear business case as a reason for inaction. Twenty-eight percent
identified inadequate funding or financing as a critical barrier, and
a lack of adequate information on efficiency options was reported
as the third greatest obstacle by 27 percent of those executives surveyed.
These responses point to the need for further education,
benchmarking, and identification of available technologies and/or
application, and to the importance of access to funding or financing
to enable investments.
Encouraging the efficiency enhancements needed to ensure our
competitiveness will require both industrys and governments involvement. We must supply the missing information and provide
the necessary funding. At ABB and the IEEC, we are striving to
do just that. We work continually to educate manufacturers on
available technologies and industrial best practices. We train engineers, assessors, and finance teams to provide accurate, reliable energy audits, and estimates on return on investment. We provide directly or assist in securing necessary financing, and we invest in
ongoing research and development to continue innovation.
In the areas of industrial energy efficiency, government has historically focused on reducing consumption in energy-intensive industries. While these industries represent a major portion of potential energy savings, the public sector has the ability to expand the
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visibility of conservation opportunities to industrial players both
large and small. Hearings like this, well-informed Department of
Energy and Environmental Protection Agency activities, and federal support for research, audit, and deployment programs all raise
awareness of the availability and value of energy saving technologies. This is particularly true for the small and mid-sized companies with less knowledge of or expertise in newer efficiency tools.
Tax policies and other incentives can encourage investment. Advanced systems that deploy networks of sensors, controls, and automation to achieve significant energy savings can benefit from incentives to provide a faster rate of return.
Government is unique in its ability to support basic science and
energy research, and State governments have the principle role in
setting the grid investment policies and utility rate structures that
enable deployment of critical line loss reduction, power quality
management, and grid reliability technologies like Volt/VAr optimization.
There is no doubt of the ability of the U.S. industry to compete
and succeed. Americas competitive edge is the high level of productivity of our workers and the technologies and processes we deploy
to secure greater output from fewer resources, including energy. At
ABB, at NEMA, and at the IEEC, we work daily to support that
effort.
Mr. Chairman, thank you for the opportunity to testify. I would
ask that a copy of our latest energy efficiency white paper be included in the record, and I am happy to answer any questions the
committee might have.
[The prepared statement of Mr. Kosisko follows:]
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Mr. WHITFIELD. Thank you. It will be included in the record.
Ms. MacIntosh, you are recognized for 5 minutes.
STATEMENT OF BRITTA MACINTOSH
Ms. MACINTOSH. Good afternoon, Chairman Whitfield and members of the subcommittee.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Is your microphone on?
Ms. MACINTOSH. Yes, sir. Can you hear me now?
I am Britta MacIntosh, Vice President of Business Development
for NORESCO, one of the largest energy service companies in the
United States. NORESCO is part of UTC Climate, Controls and Security Systems, a unit of United Technologies Corporation, a leading provider to the aerospace and building systems industry worldwide. Thank you for the opportunity to appear to youbefore you
today on behalf of the Federal Performance Contracting Coalition.
The FPCC is a coalition of energy services companies that, like
NORESCO, implement projects that reduce federal spending on energy and maintenance using private sector funding. Our work is
conducted using energy savings performance contracts, or
ESPCs
Mr. RUSH. Would you please speak into the mike?
Ms. MACINTOSH. Our work is conducted using energy savings
performance contracts, or ESPCs. Since the 1990s, ESPC projects
have reduced waste in federal utility bills. Across the industry,
more than 570 comprehensive energy projects have been implemented by 25 federal agencies, creating $13 billion in guaranteed
energy cost savings, and eliminating over 32 trillion BTUs of annual energy demand. By using performance-based contracting to
upgrade facility infrastructure, we deliver energy and maintenance
savings to government and private sector entities. Performancebased contracting means our companys compensation is tied to the
realization of savings for the projects we install. In other words, if
we dont perform, we dont get paid. At NORESCO, our projects
have delivered more than $3 billion in facility improvements at
more than 2,000 sites.
An ESPC redirects inefficient spending on energy into needed infrastructure improvements that conserve energy and dollars. Under
an ESPC, energy services companies engineer and install upgrades
for outdated and inefficient equipment financed by the energy services company and at no upfront cost to the government. An agency
will repay the government over timethe company over time with
funds saved on utility costs. The projected energy savings are guaranteed upfront by the company and are measured and verified during the contract period. At no time does the government pay more
than it would have paid for utilities, had it not entered into an
ESPC.
In 2010, for example, NORESCO, working together with the architect for the Capitol, modernized the heating, cooling, water, temperature control, and lighting systems here in the Rayburn Building, and then also in the other House office buildings. This project
has cut Congresss energy and water bills by more than $3.2 million annually.
The Federal Government is the Nations largest energy consumer, costing taxpayers over $7 billion annually. An aggressive
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government-wide effort to eliminate energy waste in buildings
could easily cut that number by 20 percent or more.
Despite the opportunity to better steward the taxpayers investments in public facilities, several difficult obstacles stand in the
way. I would like to talk about three of those.
First, there is a lack of compliance with existing congressional
mandates. In 2010, Congress directed agencies to audit their facilities to identify energy and water projects that would pay for themselves within 10 years or less. Currently, it is not clear where agencies stand on this audit process, because those comprehensive reports requested by Congress have not yet been delivered. Even less
clear is where agencies stand on implementing the energy savings
measures these audits have also identified. This information is critical to understanding how much taxpayer money is being wasted
through inaction and inattention.
Second, there is a lack of an apples to apples comparison between the use of appropriations and private sector investment to
provide agencies and Congress with the information needed to
make good decisions. Oak Ridge National Laboratory has outlined
in multiple studies that facilities which use appropriated funds to
replace outdated equipment failed to properly budget for the ongoing maintenance of the new equipment. ESPCs require the provision of ongoing maintenance and savings verification to ensure that
long-term persistence of savings and proper operation of the equipment is achieved. In 2007, Congress also directed agencies to implement a uniform approach to maintenance and savings
verification to ensure that the government realizes the promised
savings from any efficiency upgrades, although most agencies have
appeared to ignore this direction for appropriated projects. We recommend that you ask how agenciesthat you ask agencies how
and when this simple requirement will be implemented for all efficiency projects, regardless of how they are funded.
Third, the current approval process for ESPC contracts is excessive, with multiple redundant layers of review in many agencies.
Officials with limited knowledge of the facility, project, or recommended technologies are often required to review and sign off on
projects before they can proceed. Congress should push agencies to
streamline their review process, allowing more projects to begin
generating savings more quickly.
In order to confirm that we are making true progress toward
meeting our Nations energy and efficiency goals, Congress needs
to completeneeds complete information about available energy
savings opportunities at our agencys facilities, each agencys plans
for implementation, and full transparency and accountability on all
spending related to efficiency projects. We recommend that you
take appropriate steps to ensure that prior congressional direction
on these items is acted upon.
Thank you again for your time and attention. I will be glad to
answer any questions that you have.
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Mr. WHITFIELD. Thank you, Ms. MacIntosh.
Mr. Crouse, you are recognized for 5 minutes.
STATEMENT OF JAMES CROUSE
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gigawatts of new CHP is helpful, we would be better served if the
government were to lead by example through increased procurement of CHP to meet federal energy efficiency goals. Additionally,
as the EPA implements Boiler MACT, CHP should be strongly encouraged as a compliance strategy for those currently burning coal
or oil. As part of this process, facility managers faced with compliance can seek site-specific technical and cost information from the
DOEs clean energy assistance centers. Similarly, we hope States
will look to EPAs guidance on output-based emission regulations,
which unlike input based standards, recognize both efficiency and
pollution prevention benefits of CHP. Output-based standards encourage cost effective long-term pollution prevention through efficiency. Likewise, we were glad to hear FERC proposed reforms to
small generator air connections. Interconnection continues to be a
barrier, but we continue to work with our friends in the utility industry to demonstrate the benefits that CHP provides for the grid
and for consumers as a clean, reliable, distributor resource. In addition, both States and utilities should include CHP in their energy
planning policies. The CHP industry is eager to be an active stakeholder and support a fair, interconnected standards in CHP rates.
Finally, we note that there are several technologies that currently benefit from government support through various levels of
an investment tax credit. We believe the lack of parity in support
levels for decentralized and renewable energy technologies blur the
marketplace. We support parity in the treatment of various types
of clean energy sources, and would encourage a focus on performance-based measures to best spur market competition.
To wrap up, let me highlight again the opportunity exists today
to generate clean, reliable power through CHP systems at existing
industrial commercial sites across the United States using U.S.
natural gas. We appreciate your help in overcoming these barriers
that exist to greater deployment of our innovative U.S.-made technology.
Thank you for the opportunity to testify at todays hearing, and
I look forward to answering any questions you may have.
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Mr. WHITFIELD. Thank you, Mr. Crouse.
Ms. Burt, you are recognized for 5 minutes.
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One is encouraging regulatory approaches that incent utilities to
pursue efficiency. Many utilities still face strong disincentives,
changing this one key to success. At PG&E, we now treat energy
efficiency projects as a resource, just like we do new traditional
generation facilities.
Another area is improving regulatory consistency. Programs
work best when everyone can operate from a consistent set of policies that they can count on for longer periods of time. That way,
they can make multi-year commitments to support commercialization and deployment efforts.
We also recommend encouraging consistent and clear methods
for measuring and verifying the results of energy efficiency
projects.
A third area is encouraging public-private cooperation between
utilities and government. For example, PG&E manages energy efficiency turnkey projects for federal customers through our Utility
Energy Services Contracts Program. One effort now underway at
the NASA Ames Research Center is expected to save more than
$1.5 million annually in water and energy costs. Nationally, UESC
projects are saving taxpayers roughly $400 million a year. We
should continue to encourage these efforts.
Finally, a fourth area is building codes and appliance standards.
These provide a foundation for other energy efficiency efforts, and
drive new technologies, programs, and practices.
Our hope is to work collaboratively with many members of this
committee, who are already exchanging good policy ideas around
energy productivity. New ideas and approaches will evolve just as
quickly as the technology around us. As PG&E in California has
demonstrated, energy efficiency can save money, spur innovation,
provide consumers with more choices, and make our economy more
productive and benefit the environment.
Thank you again for this opportunity. I look forward to answering your questions.
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Mr. WHITFIELD. Thank you.
Mr. Elliott, you are recognized for 5 minutes.
STATEMENT OF R. NEAL ELLIOTT
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munity and building community out there to implement the codes
so that the energy efficiency benefits are available to all customers.
Finally, the last area I wanted to speak about is manufacturing.
U.S. manufacturing sector is poised for a major expansion and reinvestment, and until recently, has not received a lot of attention at
the federal level. In particular, we would recommend three things
the Department shouldthe committee should consider.
First, we think it is important that the DOEs manufacturing
program be reenergized. There has been a lack of leadership for
over a decade there, and we think there is some opportunities for
it to move forward. Specifically, we would recommend that the Department be directed to establish an industrial steering committee
to ensure a strong working relationship exists between manufacturers, the Department, and other stakeholders, and that that partnership should work to leverage private sector funding. In the past,
this program R&D area has been among the most successful R&D
efforts in the entire Federal Government, and was able to leverage
$3 in private sector funding for every $1 that was spent by the
Federal Government.
Second, we think it is important to maintain a balance between
your term R&D, long-term R&D, and deployment, and all of these
need to be targeted in cooperation with the manufacturers so that
we receive maximum efficiency.
Finally, I wanted to mention the idea of smart manufacturing.
This isas we look, we have already mentioned intelligence in the
marketplace. We think manufacturing will benefit from that and
encourage you to direct the Department to initiate a smart manufacturing program to explore those resources.
Thank you for the opportunity to present, and I look forward to
questions. Thank you.
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Mr. WHITFIELD. Well thank you, Mr. Elliott, and Mr. Gayer of
the Brookings Institution, you are recognized for 5 minutes.
STATEMENT OF TED GAYER
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In recent work I did with Kip Viscusi of Vanderbilt University,
we examined a number of recent government regulations that mandate energy efficiency standards for vehicles and appliances. Despite the fact that these regulations frequently are touted as pollution-reducing initiatives, by the agencies own estimates, they confirm that the environmental benefits tend to be quite small and are
often outweighed by the costs that they estimate.
In order to justify these regulations, the agencies assert that consumers and firms are making incorrect purchase choices and that
they therefore benefit if product choices are restricted to those that
meet the agencies mandated standards. Dismissing consumer preferences outright in this way is a significant departure from the
well-established principles for conducting cost-benefit analyses,
both in the economics literature, and I would add, by the Administrations Office of Management and Budget.
By claiming regulatory benefits from the correction of so-called
consumer irrationality, agencies are shifting regulatory priorities
from the important goal of reducing the harm individuals impose
on others, through pollution, towards the nebulous and unsupported goal of reducing harm individuals cause to themselves by
purchasing purportedly uneconomic products. This shift from environmental protection to consumer protection results in a host of
costly regulations that are far less effective than a government policy that simply sets a price on pollution. It is important to emphasize that these costs are real and that they harm economic wellbeing. Raising the costs of consumer products and products used by
businesses through government mandates does not lead to economic growth or job creation. It also establishes a dangerous precedent: If agencies can justify regulations on the unsubstantiated
premise that consumers and businesses, but not the regulators, are
irrational, then they can justify the expansive use of regulatory
powers to control and constrain virtually all choices consumers and
businesses make.
To summarize, I believe that markets generally work well to provide incentives for energy efficiency and to satisfy consumers diverse tastes. To the extent that prices fail to incorporate the environmental cost of energy use, the most sensible government response is to price the pollution costs directly, and then allow consumers and businesses to respond to the higher prices. Regulations
and mandates are inferior policies, but still may be better than
doing nothing if the benefits exceed the costs. Unfortunately, by the
agencies own estimates, many of these mandates lead to minimal
environmental benefits that are far less than the costs that they
estimate themselves. In an effort to justify these regulations, the
agencies have deviated from well-established economic principles
by asserting that consumers and businesses benefit from government mandates that restrict choice. The evidence for this view, I
believe, is weak, and assuming that citizens are not capable of
making sensible decisions that affect their own pocketbooks is not
the right way to advance the important goal of enhancing the quality of our environment.
Thank you very much.
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Mr. WHITFIELD. Thank you, Mr. Gayer, and thank all of your for
your testimony, and once again for being here with us today.
Ms. Burt, I want to ask you a question to start off with. I notice
in your testimony you were talking about the per capita use of energy in California has been flat since 1970, so we are talking about
30 or 40 years. You are talking about the new technologies that
have been launched. You talked about the new policies of the government and working with the utilities. You talked about $20 billion in savings. You talked about the lack of necessity to build 25
new generating plants. With all of those efficiencies and everything
else, why is it that the California electricity rates are among the
highest in the country, with the exclusion of Alaska or Hawaii? You
all have been so productive in so many ways. Why is it that electricity rates are so high out there?
Ms. BURT. Well thank you, Mr. Chairman, for the question and
for the opportunity.
California electric rates are high, and matter of fact, they are
within the top 25 across the country of major utilities. The bills of
Californians, however, are among the lowest, and so I think you
have to look at both of those in collaboration.
Mr. WHITFIELD. How is that possible? How does that work?
Ms. BURT. Well, energy rates in California are higher the more
you use. It is an inclining tier structure and it is designed that way
to encourage energy efficiency. The lower rates, though, however,
are very comparable to other parts of the United States. And so
when we talk about rates, that is one slice of it, but we actually
work with our customers to lower their bills, and that is really
what they are about. You know, again, we serve about 15 million
Californians across northern and central California, and we have
a wide variety of customer groups.
Mr. WHITFIELD. What would you say the average per kilowatt
hour is for industrial use in California?
Ms. BURT. You know, Mr. Chairman, I dont have that with me
directly but I can certainly get back to you with that information.
Mr. WHITFIELD. I am assuming that itI mean, I am not complaining about it or anything, but I am assuming it must be much
higher, because if you have residential use really cutting down on
their consumption, and then that is low as the average utility bill
in America, that must mean the industrial use must be a lot more
expensive.
Ms. BURT. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, let me clarify a little bit
more. We actually have energy efficiency programs that span
across all of our customers. So within our energy users that are
high industrial customers are refineries, and we have many in
California. We have oil producers in California, we have food processors within our service territory. We have programs that work directly with each of those types of businesses to lower their energy
costs
Mr. WHITFIELD. But even though the individual bills may be low,
why is it that the production is so high, the cost?
Ms. BURT. Well again, the energy policies across California are
designed to encourage conservation, encourage energy efficiency.
On the industrial side, however, again, what the industrial customerand frankly, what our commercial customers and residen-
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tial customers care about are the size of their monthly bills. And
the size of their monthly bills are among the lowest in the Nation.
Mr. WHITFIELD. The size of your
Ms. BURT. Of their monthly bills, so their usage is
Mr. WHITFIELD. And we are talking about who and here now,
residential users?
Ms. BURT. Mr. Chairman, actually all of our customers. The size
of their monthly bills are among the lowest
Mr. WHITFIELD. Are among the lowest in the country?
Ms. BURT. Yes, among the lowest in the country. They certainly
arent the lowest, but they are among the lowest.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Mr. Crouse, let me ask you a question. The Section 433 prohibits the use of fossil fuels in new or modified federal
buildings by the year 2030 or so. Now you were testifying on behalf
of the Combined Heat and Power Association. Wouldnt a prohibition such as that make it more difficult on the adoption of high efficiency technologies, such as combined heat and power for federal
buildings?
Mr. CROUSE. Well, I think it certainly could. One of the opportunities, though, is to look at biogas or other means of destructing organic waste to use, then, the fuel or the natural gas, the methane
that comes off of the anaerobic digesters, or in some cases, gas that
would come from other processes on those bases. The other, you
know, option would be for us to look at using natural gas as a fuel,
as a transition fuel, and look down the road at possibly using those
new fuels that come online and the new products that would become available in that timeframe, to use them, including some of
the new biofuels that are looking at being generated from algae
and from other sources.
Mr. WHITFIELD. OK. Mr. Kosisko, my time is running out, but I
did pay attention to what you did with Archema down in my district. That $300,000 annual savings was quite impressive, and I
want to thank you for mentioning that.
At this time, I recognize the gentleman from Illinois, Mr. Rush,
for 5 minutes.
Mr. RUSH. Ms. Burt, you talked in your testimony about PG&Es
comprehensive approach to energy efficiency. You included different strata of individuals and demographic groups in your statement. The question that I have is do some of these outreach programs that you discussed, have you engaged young people, young
students in some of this outreach and could you speak to the educational activities and initiatives that you have with the youngest
of our citizens?
Ms. BURT. Thank you, Mr. Rush. Yes, absolutely, Congressman
Rush, weour programs do contain a very large component of education, bothprimarily in the post-high school area. In fact, we
have three education centers across our service territory, one in
Stockton, one in San Francisco, and one in the East Bay area that
are really focused on training and developing even job skills within
energy efficiency. We have got the oldest existing training facility
in Stockton that has been in place since 1978, and I believe we
have trained something in the neighborhood of over 91,000 people
to really go out and be productive in the jobs arena around really
being energy auditors, installing weatherization, all of the different
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phases of energy efficiency within those three centers. So we have
a pretty broad record on that.
Mr. RUSH. So you create some jobs with these programs? I am
trying to focus on young, even younger than high school. It seems
the earlier we include energy efficiency and an understanding of
the energy demand, energy sector, the energy issues, including
costs, but also efficiencies, the earlier we include that in the education of our younger children, the more we change the culture. I
think we will have some tremendous benefits. Do you engage, say,
even at the grade school level?
Ms. BURT. Yes, Congressman Rush, we do. We have several programs. One of them is our Solar Schools Program where we really
engage elementary age students around energy in totality. So renewable resources, the value of solarwe actually install solar
panels on schools and use them in demonstrationclassroom demonstration pieces. We have a number of other classroom demonstrations, both around energy efficiency and energy in general within
the school systems that are used throughout our service territory.
Mr. RUSH. In your opinion, how is the Federal Government
faring in these areas? Are there some things that we are doing
are we doing enough as a Federal Government to raise the level
of consciousness of our grade school-level students, high schoollevel students? Are we doing enough as a Federal Government?
Ms. BURT. Thank you. That is a wonderful point. I think all of
us can do more to engage the next generation around energy, and
not just energy production, but using energy efficiency as a source
of production. And I think learning what new technologyand
again, the combining of really this newthe new IT and smart grid
with what energy efficiency can do is going to be an amazing future
for that generation. I think the Federal Government can do more.
I think we can all do more to encourage education.
Mr. RUSH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Gentleman yields back.
At this time, I recognize the gentleman from Texas, Dr. Burgess,
for 5 minutes.
Mr. BURGESS. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the recognition.
Ms. MacIntosh, let me ask you. You heard the testimony of Dr.
Hogan and the first panel. Do you work with thewith their office,
the Department of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy?
Ms. MACINTOSH. We do. All of the member companies of the Federal Performance Contracting Coalition work hand-in-hand with
the Department of Energy. They oversee the indefinite delivery and
definite quantity contracts that we all operate under to implement
energy savings performance contracting for the Federal Government.
Mr. BURGESS. Now you referenced that there, in fact, was a congressional mandate that required some of this performance standards. Do you recall when that congressional mandate was passed?
In your written testimony, you referenced 1986 and said implementation was occurring in the 90s. Soand this is a well-established
pattern, is that correct?
Ms. MACINTOSH. Correct.
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Mr. BURGESS. This is not something that is new that should
be
Ms. MACINTOSH. Performance contracting? Oh, no.
Dr. BURGESS [continuing]. A surprise to
Ms. MACINTOSH. It should not be a surprise to anyone.
Dr. BURGESS [continuing]. Dr. Hogan? Well
Mr. WHITFIELD. Ms. MacIntosh, would you mind using Mr.
Crouses microphone, because weand
Ms. MACINTOSH. Is this a little better?
Mr. WHITFIELD. Yes, that is better.
Mr. BURGESS. Whoa, super. And you know, I was making the
pointand not just an academic onein Congress, we get criticized
for passing mandates and then not living under them ourselves. I
referenced how in my own personal life I have made energy efficiency decisions that were based upon what I would consider would
be the correct market signals. And yet, we have a great big glorious
federal building here, the Rayburn Building. I am fortunate enough
to have an office here. Yes, indeed, they did change all the lighting
around back in 2007 or 2008, but when I look at the biggest source
of energy loss, it has got to those single pane windows that are in
existence in the Rayburn Building, in the Cannon Building, in the
Longworth Building. I dont get to go over on the Senate side, but
I suspect you have got the same thing over there. So did you do
an audit for the Department of Energy on, say, the Rayburn Building, like we have mandated that other industries do on their structures?
Ms. MACINTOSH. Yes, that is correct, and that was done in the
20082009 timeframe. A comprehensive audit was performed for
all of the House office buildings. The same was also done for the
Senate office buildings.
Mr. BURGESS. Yes, we will ignore the Senate for right now, since
they are ignoring us. Would it be fair to say thatI mean, lighting,
yes, it is a significant expense. To me, it would have made more
senseI mean, had I been doing this in my private life and I wanted to change all my lighting, I would have waited until a bulb
burned out and then replaced it with an LED or a CFL, if that was
my inclination. To go in and change all the lights aroundbasically
during a congressional recess, I mean, that was a pretty expensive
undertaking. I have got no idea what happened to the old light
bulbs. I hope they gave them to another country so that they could
use them. But it almost seems like that was the obviousthe lowhanging fruit in this endeavor, but if you really want to look at
where the energy efficiency exists in an older building like Rayburn
or Cannon or Longworth, it is going to be in the window treatments, not in the lighting structures.
Ms. MACINTOSH. Mr. Terry, the beauty of the energy saving performance contractsexcuse me, Mr. Burgessit was the direct line
of sight. The beauty of the energy savings performance contracting
program is that you are supposed to look at things from a holistic
standpoint. So energy savings were generated from lighting, certainly, but that was really only one of the many measures that
were implemented. The real meat of an ESPC, typically, is in the
places you dont see. It is in the chiller plant, it is in the boiler
plant, it is in the direct digital control systems of a facility that
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measure and monitor and modulate temperature, for example. All
of those systems, including water systems as well, were addressed
in all of these buildings. You know, that audit that was performed
at the time is also intended to be a very comprehensive menu of
opportunities that we could implement to generate savings.
Mr. BURGESS. Yes, we are going to run out of time. You notice
the chairman has a very quick gavel
Ms. MACINTOSH. Certainly.
Dr. BURGESS [continuing]. When it comes to me, but could you
perhaps supply my office with that audit and perhaps provide us
a little direction as to what has been implemented and what has
beenwhat is waiting? Because again, I would like to give people
some reassurance that we are living under the same rules that we
are making for other people
Ms. MACINTOSH. Agreed.
Dr. BURGESS [continuing]. And that the smart thing to do is to
respond to appropriate market signals and not the congressional
mandates.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for your indulgence. I am going to
yield back the final 2 seconds.
Mr. WHITFIELD. You are welcome, Dr. Burgess. I gave you an
extra 50 seconds the last time, soat this time, I recognize the
gentleman from California, Mr. McNerney, for 5 minutes.
Mr. MCNERNEY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to welcome
you to Washington, Ms. Burt, for your testimony here this morning.
I had the privilege of visiting a PG&E training facility in Stockton,
and with Chris Fosterit was about a year ago, and it is certainly
state-of-the-art. It is very impressive. Do you think that that facility and facilities like that are producing enough trained workers,
or is there an additional need for additional facilities to meet the
market demand right now?
Ms. BURT. Thank you. Thank you very much, and it is a delight
to be here, Congressman. We are certainly happy to be here from
California.
That facility in particularly and the other two, the sister facilities
that we have, the facility in San Ramon, which really trains and
really does a lot of research and work around the food industry and
emerging technology, and then the one in San Francisco, which is
really focused on architects and building and really design. I will
tell you, they are kept consistently busy. And as you mentioned,
the one in Stockton has actually been in existence since 1978, and
we have produced 91,000 trained workers. Our own workforce, we
have about 700 people directly working foron my team that do
energy efficiency, and then we hire in our communities another
2,000 practitioners within weatherization, and these are contractors and we train them. We also trained a number of contractors
in the most recent funding, the ARA funding that was available.
So I must say that we dont find lack of need for training. There
always seems to beI looked at the Pacific Energy Center just the
other day, and I think there were 950 separate classes that were
being offered. And I know last year in that facility alone, we
trainedand that, I think, is the smallest of our facilitieswe
trained about 8,000 workers.
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So it is certainly an area as energy efficiency becomes more a
part of the solution nationally that we should look at, you know,
and I think if we can get to the point where energy efficiency is
considered in other places as it is in California as a part of the generation mix, just as a generation plant would be, then I think we
may need to look at more training facilities.
Mr. MCNERNEY. Thank you. How do you see the EV market affecting PG&Es business plan over the next decade?
Ms. BURT. Well, thank you again. We are very excited about the
electric vehicle market. It does have challenges with it because
again, the distribution grid traditionally built across our service
territory as well as others is in need of upgrading. We are in the
midst of making our grid much smarter to really integrate electric
vehicles and other renewable resources, but we are very excited
about electric vehicles and what they offer, particularly for the environmental benefits and for our customers benefits. We know that
in our service territoryI will tell you, my customers and your constituents are very excited about using electric vehicles. So I think
you can expect to see us do more on that.
Mr. MCNERNEY. Thank you.
Mr. Gayer, would you say that big improvements in energy efficiency would have a stimulative impact on the national economy?
Mr. GAYER. I think that market-driven improvements in energy
efficiency are good for the well-being of the economy for sure. When
you get to certain programs to stimulate, I think it is a little bit
dicier as far as whether or not it is worth the cost. You would have
to really see what is the labor being employed and what would they
have been doing otherwise. In a time of great unemployment, I
think there is much more evidence that there is such a case, but
if you are talking about the long sweep of history, I think the evidence is weaker. But certainly, energy innovation and energy efficiency innovation is good for the economy.
Mr. MCNERNEY. Thank you.
Mr. Elliott, is there anything that you wouldthat would give us
a better return on investment than energy efficiency in terms of energy investments?
Mr. ELLIOTT. Congressman, at this point I think energy efficiency
represents one of the best investments that is available in the marketplace. We are in an environment right now, in spite of the current low natural gas prices, where many of the other energy
sources are increasing in cost, as has already been noted in the
case of gasoline pricing right now, and investment in energy efficiency represents an opportunity to improve the U.S. GDP by reducing outflow of funds to foreign countries. There is also the issue
that investment in energy efficiency makes other technologies
equally accessible. For example, investments in energy efficiency
can enhance the cost effectiveness of renewable energy by reducing
the amount of energy that is required.
Mr. MCNERNEY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Thank you.
At this time, I recognize the gentleman from Ohio, Mr. Latta, for
5 minutes.
Mr. LATTA. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you very much
to our panel for being with us today.
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If I could, Mr. Gayer, if I could start with you. I apologize for my
voice. It is allergy season. But I found your testimony interesting,
because you kind of hit home to my district. I represent 60,000
manufacturing jobs in northwest, west central Ohio that wesome
of our companies are very large, some are very small. We have a
great need for base load capacity out there, and I go through factories, I mean, literally all the time. And probably in the last, I am
going to say 5 months, I have been through about 150 facilities in
my district. And I find it interesting in your testimony what you
are talking about, because I hear this from my folks back home all
the time, you know. They see these mandates coming down from
Washington, and again, they are in a globalmost of these people
are on a global marketplace and they are out there very concerned
about making sure that they can produce a product that is competitive, thatnot only in this country, but around the world.
But in your testimony, I found it interesting. You were talking
about thatyou said there were a number of reasons why the market warranted an approach of setting a price of pollution as cost
effective, and then regulations such as energy efficiency mandates,
and you say that the one-size-fits-all energy efficiency mandates ignore the substantial diversity of preferences, financial resources,
and personal situations. And I tell you, that hits home to my district. If I can just ask you, then, you know, when you talk about
that, you said thatyou testified that the energy efficiency standards could actually reverse some of the energy savings resulting in
negligible environmental benefits. Could you expand on that?
Mr. GAYER. Yes, sure. First, I think it is important in all these
questions to distinguish betweena lot of people are talking about
innovation and energy efficiency, and I think that is a good thing,
and when it is driven by the market, it is accounting for their preferences and the diversity of taste and financial circumstances. The
problem comes when you have an agency that essentially uses certainimposes mandates and essentially is asserting that certain
preferences are in some sense invalid.
Mr. LATTA. Could you give me a couple of examples of
Mr. GAYER. Well, I mean, it is a very simple thing. The way you
do it is these net present value calculations. You look atthe agency will say well, we think for this appliance fuel costs are going to
be this in the future. We think the appliance will last this long. We
think you are going to use it this many times, and we kind of figure out is the higher cost today worth it for you to get the savings
later, but it is not accounting for other characteristics of convenience and feature and your particular circumstance. And this happens, I think, most egregiously when it comes to commercial products. I mean, you have companies thatas I think you are alluding
to, that are very narrow profit margins, they are in very competitive industries. Fuel costs might be a huge part of their operating
costs, and essentially they are being told you are not doing a good
job, considering the tradeoffs here, and I think my response to the
presumption is they probably are doing a pretty good job of considering the tradeoffs, because they have circumstances that cant be
measured from the regulators perspective. And so the presumption
should be that they actually know what they are talking about.
Again, there are plenty of incentives for energy efficiency for that
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firm, and I think that is good, but we dont wantI dont think we
should just mandate thatignore their other preferences, and I
think that is what the market is good at accommodating.
My bigger point is a lot of the tech supporting these rules are
written from the angle that they are helping the environment, but
what I have just described is really consumer protection. It is not
environmental protection, it is saying that you are making a mistake by buying an uneconomic product. We, the regulator, are
going to correct that. I dont think there is evidence that there is
a need for consumer protection, but my point is that is a very different thing than designing a regulation to say hey, we have got
to worry about pollution. You have your circumstances, but you are
not considering that you are emitting pollution. Let us address the
pollution, and you wind up with very different regulations.
Mr. LATTA. Let me follow up for just a second where you were
talking about consumers. You know, what is best for the consumers
out there, then, the energy efficiency improvements for market
forces, or energy efficiency from the regulators?
Mr. GAYER. Oh, well certainly the former, because the former actually considers they get to consider the other tradeoffs and the
other characteristics that either drive their consumer preferences,
or in the case of businesses, buying these products, their bottom
line. Essentially that is the premise, is I getI am better at spending money that affects my bottom line than somebody else is, and
the presumption should be that. Again, if you are trying to adjust
environmental externalities, which I alluded to, I wont consider
that in my consumption decision, and that is, I think, a strong role
for the regulator there. But there needs to be a distinction between
are we trying to protect the environment or are we really just consumer protection?
Mr. LATTA. All right. I think that, you know, again when I am
going through my facilities back home that the folks back there,
you know, they are worried about that bottom like, and you know,
they all want to make sure that there is clean air and clean water.
And at the same time, they want to make sure they are providing
the jobs out there for the people in the communities, because that
is absolutely central.
Mr. Chairman, with that, I thank you for your indulgence and
I yield back.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Thank you.
At this time, I recognize the gentleman from California, Mr.
Waxman, for 5 minutes.
Mr. WAXMAN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Energy efficiency standards set a minimum floor for the efficiency of appliances and other products. Over the last 25 years,
these standards have played a key role in improving the efficiency
of the appliances we all have in our homes. They save consumers
billions of dollars every year by lowering utility bills, but some
economists argue that energy efficiency standards are a bad idea.
They say that the costs of the standards outweigh the benefits, and
that they reduce consumer choices. They also argue that any cost
effective efficiency measures would be taken anyway, even without
the standards, and Mr. Gayer made these arguments today.
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Dr. Elliott, what do you think? Do the costs of these standards
outweigh the benefits, or do consumers come out ahead?
Mr. ELLIOTT. Congressman, I want to say that I amin our view
and based on our research, consumers do come out ahead, and I
think we can get some very good examples on this. Perhaps one of
the longest regulated products in the marketplace is the refrigerator today. My wife and I had the opportunity to replace one recently, and the number of choices that we had in buying this one
compared to the one we bought 25 years ago, the amenity values,
the cost, thewere all substantial.
Mr. WAXMAN. Let me ask you this. Do the standards reduce or
increase consumer choice?
Mr. ELLIOTT. I think our experience, at least looking at things
like lighting products, looking at things like automobiles, looking at
things like refrigerators, washing machines, they have increased
our consumer choice. We have more options, we have more amenities. Part of this is a simple fact that we have stimulated the manufacturers to redesign products which they have no motivation otherwise to redesign.
Mr. WAXMAN. You, in your testimony, talked about huge savings
for major efficiency improvements. Would we have seen benefits in
the absence of efficiency standards, or are there market barriers
that would have prevented cost effective efficiency improvements
from being made? You talked about an incentive for manufacturers.
Are there barriers to them or they just dont think about it because
they dont have to?
Mr. ELLIOTT. I mean, I think it is a complex issue, and as with
most things, you know, these are not simple decisions. A lot of this
comes down to information and we talk about in an economic environment where we have perfect information. Consumers dont have
perfect information. They have lack of information. They are not
given or dont have access or the timewe call that transaction
costto be able to make the choices that may
Mr. WAXMAN. Well how about the choices that manufacturers
make? Are there barriers to them making efficiency choices?
Mr. ELLIOTT. Absolutely. Part of it is there is no change in the
marketplace. In the case of a manufacturer, if we have a static situation in the marketplace and there is no dynamic there, they are
not going to necessarily innovate. And so the opportunity, I think,
is standards allow them to innovate and we have seen over the last
25 years in the manufacturers products that are regulated by
standards coming to understand, and in many cases, they have
been beneficial to the marketplace.
Mr. WAXMAN. All right, thank you.
Ms. Burt, PG&E has a lot of on-the-ground experience implementing programs to incentivize energy efficiency. Do consumers
take every cost effective energy efficiency measure on their own, or
are supporting policies necessary?
Ms. BURT. Thank you, Congressman. We would agree that supporting policies are necessary and, in fact, we do make many,
many, many of our programs available directly to the consumer.
We also give them a lot of information. But that simply alone
doesnt do the trick. We also have incentives to manufacturers, so
for example, the manufacturer that is manufacturing a refrig-
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erator, you know, our goal in California, as you probably know, is
to work collaboratively with manufacturers across the country
Mr. WAXMAN. And you have done that very well. I am sort of
moving forward because I only have a limited time, but I wanted
to ask you, first of all, you testified PG&E efficiency programs result in energy savings that saved your customers $20 billion and
avoided the need to build 25 large power plants. These efficiency
initiatives are cheaper than building new power plants, arent
they?
Ms. BURT. Yes, sir, they are, and
Mr. WAXMAN. And what is PG&Es experience with appliance efficiency standards and State building codes? Are these onerous government mandates or are they cost effective ways to drive energy
efficiency improvements?
Ms. BURT. Well, thank you. Our view of codes and standards is
they are part of the portfolio of energy efficiency. We work on codes
and standards. We work upstream with manufacturers. We work
with cities. We work with governments to create incentives before
the standards are set. So it is not as though the standard is set
first, you know. Our view of the world is let us incent the more energy efficient refrigerator, more energy efficient televisions, and
then let the standard evolve as the market pulls. And that has
really been very effective in California, as you know.
Mr. WAXMAN. Well, I commend you for what you have done in
California. Thank you very much.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Gentlemans time is expired.
I recognize the gentleman from Texas, Mr. Olson, for 5 minutes.
Mr. OLSON. I thank the chairman and welcome the witnesses.
You start here in the morning, now it is the afternoon. So thank
you for your time, your expertise, and most importantly, your persistence.
Mr. Kosisko, I would like to thank you for helping me to tour
ABBs facility in Houston last year. In your testimony, you mentioned barriers to investment in industrial efficiency, lack of a clear
business case, inadequate funds for financing, and a general lack
of information. Could you expand on what NEMA and IEEC are
doing? Is there a particular success story that stands out to you?
Mr. KOSISKO. Thank you, Congressman, for the question.
NEMA, IEEC, and ABB are all working within the industry to
increase awareness, which I think is one of the key impediments
to adopting energy efficiency technologies into the industrial space.
Let me give you an example. If you look at a typical industrial
motor, for instance, that industrial motor, over its life cycle, 2 percent of its total cost to operate is the initial purchase price of that
motor. Ninety-seven percent of the cost is the energy utilized over
its lifetime, but yet, there are decisions made on a daily basis by
various industrial customers on the initial procurement price of
that motor, and I think it is widely made because of the lack of understanding and general information available. NEMA and IEEC
within ABB, we do a lot to promote awareness and improve visibility of the types of products and systems and services that will
help in industrial energy efficiency.
Another example, we have a show each year, Automation and
Power World, that we sponsor at ABB where we bring in over
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2,000 industrial users into a conference. We have over 400 seminars. A good portion of those seminars are focused on energy efficiency and the types of products, systems, and services and other
methods that could be used within the industrial environment to
reduce energy consumption and make industry more competitive
here in the United States.
Mr. OLSON. Now I am questioningbeing from Texas, one thing
I worry about is our grid reliability. Our State, our margin for excess capacity is very slim now, and that is largely because of overregulation by the Obama Administration, our vast growing population, and conflicting federal agency laws that force a power provider to choose between one agency and another in direct conflict.
I used the last Congress to this Congress to adjust that factor, but
I am intrigued by the Volt/VAr grid optimization technology you
have. Can you tell me how that would work to improve the efficiency of the electric grid and improve grid reliability?
Mr. KOSISKO. We have several technologies that help actually improve the efficiency of transmission and distribution of power and
grid reliability. One of the most predominant is our high voltage
direct current technology and the transmission of energy. This allows for much lower losses in the transmission of high voltage
across longer distances, and helps us to better connect the grid,
whether it is with traditional power sources or whether it is with
alternative power sources and renewable power sources. So that is
just one example. It typically reduces losses by about 10 percent,
which certainly is a terrific improvement when you look at the
amount of energy that gets transmitted across those lines.
We also provide software that helps manufacturers and grid and
utilities to better manage the grid, improve its reliability, improve
demand response so at peak seasons or at peak times during the
day, we could better produce energy in a more effective way with
lower cost fuels and better fuels. Just a few examples. So we have
several technologies in that space.
Mr. OLSON. Thank you.
My final question is to you, Mr. Crouse. In your oral testimony,
you mentioned the Federal Government picking winners and losers
in the energy sector, largely through the RFS, renewable fuel
standards, as a challenge to combined heat and power. I am also
aware of a company back home called TAS, which faces similar
challenges. They are trying to do a waste heat to power model of
operations. Can you briefly describe the differences between combined heat to power, waste heat to power, and microturbines?
Mr. CROUSE. Certainly, I will try. Thank you for the question,
Congressman.
You know, waste heat to power is typically taking an existing
thermal energy storesource and using it in a device to generate
additional electricity or make useful, you know, products or energy
out of it. Microturbines and other CHP generation technologies are
very similar in how our products are applied. We install the generator, and then the thermal energy is used typically with inside the
facility of the host client to increase the overall efficiency of the
plant. So we are able to use the electrical energy and the thermal
energy to make hot water steam, chilled water. You know, one of
the challenges we faced is the evaluation is far more complex for
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CHP than it is for changing light bulbs or putting in high efficiency
motors or VFDs, so the challenge is customers tend to shy away
from more complex transactions and/or payback scenarios than the
simpler ones. That is one of the uphill battles that we have.
Mr. OLSON. Thanks. I am out of time. I yield back.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Gentlemans time is expired.
At this time, I recognize the gentleman from New York, Mr.
Tonko, for 5 minutes.
Mr. TONKO. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
First, an observation. I have heard so many comments here
today aboutfrom the panel about what the market rule, what the
private sectorthe agents have changed and that things will happen, and I find it interesting. There was a great call for policies,
for standards, for regulation, for incentives, for codes, for implementation of those items above, and calling for investments and
R&D appeal. So I think it is a very telling statement here today.
I would first go to Ms. MacIntosh, please. You state in your testimony that the barriers to increase usage of an ESPC are difficult
to quantify. I would ask, what role do energy prices play in a decision to use an energy savings performance contract?
Ms. MACINTOSH. That is a very good question. Energy prices obviously dictate the breadth with which we can apply an energy savings performance contract to a facility, because all of the project
implementation costs and care and feeding of an ESPC are covered
by the energy savings and the energy cost savings that are generated by those improvements. The areas where you have high energy rates are obviously going to have an easier time of doing a
performance contract than areas where energy rates are more competitive.
Mr. TONKO. And then how are the changes in energy prices in
the term of a contract addressed? How do those changes get incorporated into the contract?
Ms. MACINTOSH. What we do in the course of developing an energy savings performance contract is a lot of historical analysis of
how energy rates have changed for that particular customer over
time, and then we utilize a lot of sources through Department of
Energy, through NIS, and other areas on what forward projections
are supposed to be, and then we look to put together a conservative
value on what we believe the energy prices are going to be, a floor,
if you will, to utilize throughout the term of the contract.
Mr. TONKO. Back in my New York State days working with energy policy and implementation, we held a hearing with data centers. Do you see the application with data centers being a real
thing?
Ms. MACINTOSH. We are just starting to see that as a real possibility in energy savings performance contracting because of their
high energy draw, and there is an awful lot of technology advancement that is happening in the IT and data center arena. So it certainly is an opportunity for us to incorporate ESPC in that market.
Mr. TONKO. Thank you.
Mr. Crouse, the barriers to expanded deployment of CHP may be
many, but finding the upfront capital, I have to believe, is a big
thing, the capital investment. Have the energy savings perform-
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ance contracts been used much by the private sector to install
CHP?
Mr. CROUSE. Certainly. We have customers that use the energy
savings model in the private sector as well as in the government
sector to deploy our technology and other CHP technologies.
Mr. TONKO. And where in our industrial applications do you see
some of the best opportunities?
Mr. CROUSE. You know, I think you need a customer that is
using thermal energyhot water, steam are the easiest sort of customers. Food processing, cheese, you know, customers in the plastics business are natural targets for us. So those are on the industrial side some of the low-hanging fruit, if you will.
Mr. TONKO. And Mr. Elliott, I assume some of the resistance to
new product efficiency standards is the cost to manufacturers of altering their product design and manufacturing process. What is the
experience that you have with the product vendors, in terms of perhaps incorporating the message for efficiency ofefficiency standards?
Mr. ELLIOTT. There absolutely is a significant transaction cost for
a manufacturer when they do reengineer their products or reengineer their products to incorporate energy efficiency. That said, that
also gives them the opportunity to revise their manufacturing processes. For example, in the electric motor industry when we saw
motor standards come in, we saw a consolidation of motor designs
by the manufacturers and implementation of flexible manufacturing. So this actually allowed them to produce a higher quality
product that was accepted by the marketplace as aon the basis
of its performance. So yes, there was cost occurredincurred by
the manufacturers, but what it did was really allow them, in the
case of the motors, not only produce a product that met the customers needs better, but also allowed them to compete globally
against many of the low-cost producers who were not being able to
produce a product of similar performance.
Mr. TONKO. Thank you.
Ms. Burt, just a comment to your earlier statement. Consumers
dont pay rates, they pay bills, so I appreciated the statement that
was being given.
With that, Mr. Chair, I will yield back.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Gentlemans time is expired.
At this time, I recognize the gentleman from Virginia, Mr. Griffith, for 5 minutes.
Mr. GRIFFITH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will follow up on
some comments that were made earlier, and maybe in the previous
panel for some of it. I would like to sayI am going to ask you a
question in a minute about that Christiansburg facility, but I do
look forward to going up there and seeing it in action at some point
in time, but I am going to get you to do a little science on it for
me, Mr. Crouse.
Before that, I would like to say to you, Mr. Kosisko, thank you
so much for having a facility in the Ninth District of Virginia. It
is doing great work there, and our biggest problem is is that because it abuts a mountain, we have got to find space to expand,
and I hope that it will still be in the Ninth District of Virginia, but
we dont have that many flat places. But anything I can do to help
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you all find facilities for the current facility or anything else you
would like to move to my district, I am more than happy to do, and
I appreciate all the work that you are doing.
Ms. MacIntosh, I would like to get a copy of the inventory or survey of the buildings on at least the House side as well. I love the
windows, but I agree with Dr. Burgess, there has got to be something we can do a little more efficient than the current windows
that we have. I will confess that I like to open those windows from
time to time, particularly when the weather is nice, and I would
hate to lose that, but also, I understand that we have got to have
some energy efficiency.
That being said, going back to a previous panel, I would comment that I do worry a bit about not having buildings that breathe
a little bit, because then the indoor air pollution does go up, as Mr.
McKinley pointed out, and so that is something we do have to put
in the overall equation.
Mr. Crouse, coming back to you, I would ask so that you can explain it to me, because I am not an engineer. I was a lawyer before
I came to Congress. You have got a 65 kilowatt microturbine installation in the town Christiansburg waste water treatment plant,
and you indicated in answers to questioned earlier that a lot of
those facilities where these are located, they use it onsite. I am trying to figure outand they may not, but does Christiansburg use
that energy onsite, or does itdo they wheel it off somewhere else?
Mr. CROUSE. Thank you for the question, Congressman. They
certainly use it onsite. Waste water treatment plants are unique in
that they do a lot of water pumping. They also use the thermal energy to heat the digesters, so especially in the winter months, you
know, to keep the chemical composition, the temperature correct in
the digester, they use the thermal energy from their CHP system,
and then the electricity is justreduces the amount of purchase
power that they have from the utility, because typically they do not
generate enough digester gas to supply all of their electrical requirements at a waste water treatment plant.
Mr. GRIFFITH. All right. Thank you very much.
I should mention that ABB does a lot. When I toured their facility there in Bland, I did note that they pointed out a lot of things
that they were doing to keep their energy costs under control and
to be very efficient at that facility. I would also have to note that
I went back for, I dont know, a second or third tour to the large
Volvo facility in my district, and they are doing all kinds of things.
They have got a couple of windmills, they have got solar panels.
They have installed passive solar in a number of places where
therebecause they are skilled at doing a lot of these things, they
have actually done a lot of it themselves. But the one that I found
the most interesting that I think folks maybe want to pay attention
to is that somebody on their teamthey have suggestion boxes and
give out rewards. Somebody on their team figured out that because
they have 2,000-plus people who are captive in the factory, they all
know where the drink machines are and where the snack machines
are, and so they took the light bulbs out of them and they were
really surprised at how much electricity they saved. So when we
are talking about efficiencies, sometimes simple things work very
well in that regard.
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Mr. Gayer, I have only got a minute left, but I was wondering
if you could comment on refrigerators since that came up earlier,
because one of the things I have noticed is, well, I think we all
ought to have the most efficient equipment that we can have. If
you have got a refrigerator that is struggling on, you might stay
there if the cost is high to do something else, and a lot of the innovations I have seen have been technologically driven as opposed to
energy efficiency, because I cant imagine that water and ice in the
door as opposed to having to reach inside is a whole lot more efficient. Maybe it is. Can you expand on that and help me out?
Mr. GAYER. Yes, a few things. One is I agree with Mr. Elliott,
the choice has expanded over the last few decades in all appliances,
but I think that is market driven and certainly not due to mandates, which by their nature, restrict choice. And you are exactly
right, one of the reasons these dont work that effectively or cost
effectively to reduce energy is because people sometimes hang on
to their older products longer, especially if it is a big ticket item,
and it is going to cost more money due to a differenta new regulation.
Mr. GRIFFITH. And do you have any data that would indicate how
much the price of apercentage-wise or otherwise thathow much
the price of a refrigerator has been impacted by
Mr. GAYER. I dont have it with me. There is aprimarily in the
vehicles, when one deals with vehicles too. There is always an impact whenever you raise CAFE AE1 standards, you have to worry
about you get a slower turnover of the fleet and new vehicles tend
to be more fuel efficient. I dont have the numbers offhand, though.
Mr. GRIFFITH. All right, thank you, sir.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Gentlemans time is expired.
At this time, I recognize the gentlelady from California, Ms.
Capps, for 5 minutes.
Mrs. CAPPS. I want to thank the chairman for calling todays
hearing. Thank you to all of our witnesses for a long day of testimony.
I think it is a great topic. Increasing energy efficiency is critical
to our Nations energy future, and as is clear from todays testimony, the private sector is doing a great job of innovating and
bringing new energy efficient technologies to customers. But the
federal policy, I believe, also plays a critical role in this process.
Neither the Federal Government nor the private sector on its own
does as good a job as we want to have done when they all work
together. But working together, these public-private partnerships
can lead to great advancements that create jobs and can save consumers money, but also spur innovation and benefit the environment. I see it every day back home in my district on the Central
Coast of California. I represent two world-class research universities: Cal-Poly San Luis Obispo and the University of California
at Santa Barbara. Research conducted at these public universities
is frequently spun off into very successful local companies which I
have visited, like Soraa and Transphorm, and many others. These
companies continue to innovate and develop new technologies, and
they are creating jobs at the same time, spurring economic growth.
So my first question is to you, Mr. Crouse. Your company is similarly innovating and staying at the forefront of your industry. In
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your testimony, you mentioned federal R&D funding as an important contributor to your companys growth. Could you elaborate on
that just for a minute, because I want to ask other questions, too,
but how has Capstone benefitted from federal R&D funding?
Mr. CROUSE. Thank you. I will be as quick as I can.
Thewe have several programs currently that we are working
towards efficiency and reliability, so through the DOE, we have a
250 and a 370 kilo microturbine that we are developing that will
improve the electrical efficiency of our product and broaden the
number of applications it can go into to get higher overall efficiencies. And then we are working on other fuel types, syn gas and
other things. Some of our original technology was developed in cooperation with the public sector as well.
Mrs. CAPPS. So you are a good example for the rest of us.
My second question goes to you, Ms. Burt. Of course, these energy efficient technologies not only create jobs and support small
businesses, but they also benefit consumers. I want to focus on this
intersection between technology and energy and how it really
makes a difference in the lives of the people, and that is actually
the bottom line. Ms. Burt, we all know how these technologies can
reduce energy use in our homes and businesses, and lower cost for
consumers, but I am curious about the efficiency improvements
being made to our energy infrastructure. For example, could you
discuss what efficiency technologies PG&E is deploying on the infrastructure side and how this is going to benefit consumers in the
long run?
Ms. BURT. Thank you. That is a very good point. We areagain,
this is the intersection between technology and energy, and it is
very evident in the smart grid that is being deployed. Within California and our distribution network, we are deploying a device
called a FLISR, and that is not a very catchy name, but it stands
for fault location isolation, and service restoration, and it literally
takes any kind of interruption along the circuits that have the device from being a typical 1 to 2 hour outage to being less than 5
minutes. And as we deploy those, we have deployedabout 135 circuits are completely deployed to date. By the end of this year, we
will have 400 circuits deployed, and I am really happy to say that
in 2012, we had the highest reliability we have experienced in the
history of our company. So we are quite pleased with how intelligence and energy efficiency works within the grid as well.
Mrs. CAPPS. And when that disruption in service happens, you
know, there is a ripple effect on how it impacts your customers.
Finally, Ms. Burt, I want to touch on a key point that you made
in your testimony about energy efficiency training. PG&Eand I
am thinking about the facilities I have in my districtyour Pacific
Energy Center has been training students in energy efficiency for
many years. I am curious about the demand for this kind of training. Have you seen enrollment in your training courses increasing
in recent years? If so, why do you think that is? In other words,
is this catching on?
Ms. BURT. Thank you, Congresswoman. I do believe that we have
seen enrollment increasing, particular with the ARRA funding and
the weatherization and the cities and counties and the jobs that
were created within the State of California. Our role in thatwe
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werent a part of the funding, but our role in that was to train and
properly train
Mrs. CAPPS. Right.
Ms. BURT [continuing]. The workforce. So we have seen a consistent increasing interest in these sorts of jobs, because they are
very relevant.
Mrs. CAPPS. And I saw this firsthand during the recession. The
weatherization of older homeswhat is it, any structure that is
over 10 years old, maybe it is even less than that?
Ms. BURT. Yes.
Mr. CAPPS. Can benefit cost-wise, bottom line-wise, and then you
can train unemployed people, give them a job. It is not very sophisticated in many ways, focusing on just older homes, putting in
more efficient windows, window sills, the win-win with more people
working, and the lower energy cost for maybe a couple living on a
fixed income. It justit does reallyover the long haul really have
an impact.
Thank you very much for your time.
Mr. WHITFIELD. The gentleladys time is expired. At this time, I
recognize the gentleman from Illinois, Mr. Kinzinger, for 5 minutes.
Mr. KINZINGER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you all for
coming. I really appreciate it.
As has been discussed today by our first few panels, improving
energy efficiency in America will play a pivotal role in increasing
U.S. energy productivity and making America more energy secure.
The benefits from implementing energy saving techniques and
technologies are felt by nearly every part of society through higher
productivity, reduced energy costs, lessened environmental impacts, and a return of billions of dollars to our economy that was
previously going to waste. As we move forward to promote adoption
of energy saving technologies and improve awareness of their benefits, promoting the facts outside of the light of partisan politics will
be crucial.
Recently it was my honor to be nominated to serve as an honorary vice chair to the Alliance to Save Energy, a bipartisan group
of members of Congress, corporate CEOs, and organizational leaders focused on promoting the benefits of energy saving technologies
and encouraging their adoption. I am excited to be working with
this diverse group, and believe it can serve as a model for problem
solving across the partisan divides, which we kind of need nowadays.
At this time, I ask unanimous consent that the Alliance Commission on National Energy Efficiency Policy Energy 2030 Report be
included for the record.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Without objection.
[The information appears at the conclusion of the hearing.]
Mr. KINZINGER. The benefits of adopting energy efficient technologies are undeniable. Congress must work to educate consumers
and businesses to these benefits, allowing for the private sector to
move forward, upgrading our energy infrastructure.
I want to commend private industry for taking the steps to ensure energy efficiency. I particularly want to thank the pay TV industry, which includes cable operators, Bell companies, satellite
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providers, and consumer electronics manufacturers for their agreement announced last year to make sure that consumers set top
boxes are even more energy efficient. This is a great precedent for
the private sector, stepping up to the plate and doing the right
thing without government mandates.
Mr. Kosisko, in your testimony you mentioned a 2011 study by
the Economist Business Intelligence Unit in which businesses were
asked to identify the main barriers to investment and industrial
energy efficiency. By far, the most popular response was a lack of
clear cut financial case for the energy efficiency investments. How
can government work with organizations and companies like yours
to get out the facts and make the clear cut case for companies to
make energy efficient upgrades?
Mr. KOSISKO. Thank you, Congressman. You know, as I mentioned before, I think that education, I think that promotion and
creating visibility in the marketplace is going to be crucial to us
moving forward. Certainly, you know, there is a competition for
capital. When you look at private investment in industrial companies, they are going to make decisions based on how they can most
effectively use the capital over the next 2 to 3 to 4 years. Some of
these technologies have longer payback periods, so I think it is important that we provide the level of education so that they can
make targeted decisions in certain technologies that will have
shorter payback periods, produce results for them in a shorter
timeframe, but also, I think that we need to look at what we can
do in a smart way to promote them in using these technologies that
may have longer payback periods, but will be crucial for us in
maintaining our competitiveness from an industrial perspective in
this global economy.
Mr. KINZINGER. Well thank you, and I think even having these
hearings is a good start.
Ms. Burt, in your written testimony you commend the work and
recommendations of the Alliance to Save Energys Commission on
National Energy Efficiency Policy, which issued a report, Energy
2030, highlighting several policies concerning existing technologies
for policy makers to include to consider. Of those recommendations
to increase energy productivity is for the government to lead by example. You also mentioned that Pacific Gas and Electric Company
is currently completing a project for NASA Ames Research Center
near Mountain View, California. This project encompasses more
than 100 buildings and covers in excess of 2.5 million square feet,
and allowed NASA to save 9 gigawatt hours of electricity, 1.3 million therms of natural gas, and more than 15 million gallons of
water annually. With results this substantial, could programs with
similar amounts of savings be duplicated at other federal agencies?
If so, what are the main challenges that we face in doing that?
Ms. BURT. Yes, thank you, Congressman. They absolutely can be
duplicated. In fact, we have three currently underway and 11 that
we are hoping to move forward with within our service territory.
What are the main area of improvement is really in the contracting. What we have found is that as we work with NASA Ames,
the VA, the IRS in Fresno, the FAA in another part of our service
territory, it is a complete recontracting process. So if we could find
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some sort of simple standardization for these sorts of contracts for
the utility services contracts, I think that would benefit both sides.
Mr. KINZINGER. That sounds great, perfect time, too. I yield back.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Thank you, Mr. Kinzinger.
At this time, I recognize the gentleman from Illinois for an additional question.
Mr. RUSH. Ms. Burt, I do have one quick question. I am very impressed with what PG&E is doing in California, and are there similar programs that you are aware of in Illinois or Chicago, in terms
of your training programs?
Ms. BURT. Thank you, Congressman. I am just not that wellversed in Illinois. I am very, very well-versed in California, but not
in Illinois.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Thank you all very much, and before we conclude, I am just asking unanimous consent that the following materials and statements be entered into the record from Arkema Corporation, the American Chemistry Council, the Alliance for Industrial Efficiency, Heat is Power Association, and Pew Charitable
Trust.
Without objection, I would enter these into the record.
[The information appears at the conclusion of the hearing.]
Mr. WHITFIELD. Thank you all once again for your time and traveling to come to Washington. We appreciate your testimony and we
look forward to working with all of you, and hope the next time we
have a hearing on efficiency, which we will soon, that we will have
just as many people stay throughout the entire hearing.
So thank you all very much, and with that, the hearing is adjourned and the record will be open for 10 days.
[Whereupon, at 1:36 p.m., the subcommittee was adjourned.]
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Mr. Chairman, energy efficiency is one of the simpler ways for us to achieve energy independence and security. By making the vehicles, appliances, and buildings
we use every day more efficient, we can get more bang for our energy buck.
Recently, the cable industry announced new efficiency standards for the cable
boxes we use to watch and record our favorite shows. These improvements will result in half of the energy currently consumed and estimates are that the new efficiencies will cut consumers electricity bills by approximately $1.5 billion. To speed
up efficiency improvements for existing boxes, the industry will release a software
update that will immediately result in energy savings of 20 to 30 percent on current
devices.
The cable industry is to be commended on this forward thinking to adopt practices
that can take effect now and drastically improve efficiency moving forward. As our
country looks to new sources of energy such as fossil, nuclear, and renewable, we
must also look for the low-hanging fruit that help us address this issue.
In addition to this innovative thinking by industry, I also believe that industry
must continue to work with regulators because good energy policy and good economic policy go hand in hand. By collaborating with industry and consumer groups,
the Federal government can develop standards that can be cost-effective for both industry and consumers while maintaining our energy security.
There was a time, not too long ago, when we could work on a bipartisan basis
to develop ways for American companies to compete and innovate. The Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 was probably the most recent example of that
bipartisanship. It was signed into law by President Bush and supported by many
members of this committee on both sides of the aisle including the chairmen of this
subcommittee and of the full committee.
We cannot pretend that industry does not have good intentions or that Federal
regulations are the root of all economic problems. We must all work together if want
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to find the best solutions to invest in our future and secure our energy independence
and security.
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