ee x INVESTIGATION OF NAZI PROPAGANDA. ACTIVITIES AND INVESTIGATION OF CER- | TAIN OTHER PROPAGANDA ACTIVITIES ————— Bee. PUBLIC STATEMENT SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON UN-AMERICAN ACTIVITIES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES SRVENTY-THIED CONGRESS ‘THE Press REFRESENTATIVES BY on. SOHN W. MCCORMACK AND HON. SAMUEL DICKSTEIN HO WERE SITTING A’ A SUBCOMMITTEE [RELEASUD IN NBW YORK CITY, N.Y. [NOVEMBER 24, 194‘conanues oF nH UNITAD #x4m INVESTIGATION OF UN-AMERIOAN ACTIVITIES STATEMENT OF CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE OM UK AMERIGAN “AGHIVEniES, MADE BY JOMM W, CORMACK (MASSACHUSETTS, CHAMIMAN, AND SAMUEL DIOKSTEDY (NEW YORK), VICE ‘SHATROAN, StrtIwG-4S 4 SUBCOMDEITEEE New Youn, Saturday, November #4, 1934. ‘his sormitn has tat tg ees brs nt ohn he caDisomalis hee el elie Pie ee eden sana Ged ner Tamas W. ase

an! Aint ted tat on Speeder "(ele wag Jetpcaetisese) ctoatin cane te bak fat! Doug to letters of erect ane in the sum of $40 and. the te ts $3, oon bred Se pepe 18 Litas daha "uc ed ft the moner was hapa to im a th dk of than oon of he ny oat Oto at ‘Siehoon dat both, of tho laters of elt oaling "ate ct Repro “Hen Kis al Ut Mar cnne tothe bak on Se cit tas etn ha reson siete warn Cheng fet rita crll ha he Sn of EDIE whic was lt ee of ro for $500 an he fo of $0 tkfenon sar an peed ask ers fo iow in the tar oar fr hs eid deck of Mrs-A Ge Ciena onthe [sep County ‘vu Co "FRC ct sho tht Mer pacha thelr ot lode Satember 2h ma to Chg aot cae ot Sper ay te he ft eed are "Genie Hanover Ban alan proiveaduplcat depost lips lieing at acts na dpa gyi enc gsng iso Soh er sen Bape 1 05 rambord bi an hae questioned MacGhre a'he meney Leak lt rae Atasonesforsna stm the Tre ert yn i i sain Acek "toning his tetimony on Friday, November 88, MacChuire failed opr Uo’ wit but oon rere Whi be reyEsrTaAntOX OP DARL AND OTHER FROPAGAYDA10 prvmemaamox oF sagt axp oftim rnorAouxDA TyESOIGATION G7 AE AND OFWHE TaoPAOLDL LL stated ho had entared the moneys which he handled in connetiopacGuire had told him, and agnin MacCure denied dete ha tld ‘Tithe cougrenonal emit 9c a th sinus pasts of the correspondence what MasGuire wrote to ie congroonal Sommitce at this point surveyed the recor] In edher parts of the correspondance what MasGuir of the Cosmtce fore Sood Dollar Bn Sound Gavreney. tne farkc and Christmas about fore veteran groupe tlie wth what Goat Coat begun ice ip Desonbar 108 with to se of Giypfutlor lamas MacGune tld ham, bot whic MacOuie desis he tn thatthe wroney Iw been expended for sali tareine cab 5 eave heating propaganda: eal fw faces nada] 1 eter dated Apei 4,190, addremed to “Gentenen”, Me. nce tin has bulge of about 8 ire wrote iter the names OF Hebert Sering Chak, A. G. Chriszas, of | wc rtrd fom sty to um, Roda, Ansan, Mestre, Walter E, Frew are shown anywherein the'econda of ta comptoezmy st Pgzns tat Won, Mente die Bed Gee, ase at i tg ut ty argo aa ae ites "The congreaional committee abo reviewed the adit of (he son ic alive cence tat eee ii cngettee commie Gen wen ity bn cmcbors ot ita pee ‘presented by MacGuire which he had written while he was in ming cotton eenenee, Signe Oop See Scenes aes Bone vere addgo meray Gtamen other (o MEE, Aaa ag at nh hes en ae Gunvand'one Woke Cheam oe teen fal reo pease Serhan Sat ia to sae ty Si Sek Ts ty ea a. Fea ect Tate of April 194, which ie ned My dear i eee Duelitire writes a Zllowe: etme ssa tis ers i tint In in Ite Me as each Jou g ou men ToSuiy Sed ot espe hy hx gave 6 check fo we ei Gs Ohtauts on Repesnbee nl ectvel lk Deck fens Crbenat aps for ig mee cnet Suche etic cna chet i apecal acount for ia pte 16 wih ha dnp ets be sa Beer tov Slate ln that MncGr ha rsted Hore: Goes Cae: nfeelons, wi hems posed ierateiaeet tae act 62 ho Malleton of having come bck to New York ri lena een apenerSeber sit ae an ty slits of tring tani osingtan afar te pel eae pafraed wi tol nee inf Sti at be rovs goo too Sep al 35, ee ste th queticns MaUulveanwerl, “It for bak” so cafe in a ne oe ern nt Sef ees ate ac Se nf ta anaes Pt to Wecingon or whee hl ivan We Conta Hanaer a errno ore ae er ren Ten A ae ne gm at ara ea cea ttt it ae HEU sera ec nen hn aes of Mf Seiiocait tae aes nas feces min Nene nap. Tn itor om March 6, 2694, adrenal worly to Gentlemen ‘MacQuire writes: a) meee remember what the puro of hi tip Tithe course of the questioning Mu nied ousand-llar bil, nnd ertinly be more ames, tat a utter he. et i tet eC ‘Macinre dened iat he ha spent «rent del of tne going 47s showed hi geen 100 bill r See Oeeree cen eo nee be ea ee ee or eeues ‘vom the foregoing ican realy i men that in sition tothe ‘ntgseera matory threat be od wo een 0 whic Carpe Maciuire for Uw un money camaTi gad ep el i ti tye be raed reset 1 as a Le Sa i ea et (cla Rn rin Mee seers smi SRT tt ta a mele oe lg ee Gees Reena ioemeneettats i Tee cs enntn dow ml "enow ire coinmites is awsting the rluen to this country of both Mr. ‘uri and be, Chrintnas As the evidence “or an ‘Grlanation that the commas hasbeen unable aikGuirenN GATION OF NAZI PROPAGANDA {crivITIES AND INVESTIGATION OF CER- KAIN OTHER PROPAGANDA ACTIVITIES PUBLIC HEARINGS | SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON UN-AMERICAN ACTIVITIES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ‘SBVENTY-THTRD CONGRESS 'sR0OND sUSSION astty, —% Zi ain 62 —rast axp ovman vnopacanps 10 smvaemoumow oy mast ax ormar Paorsoinne rwvaerioanion OF Adiniration in some Woy “They had not. guna fa ecg fe cud no veel in Grd cheer Chey secede foe tg ae pearance ofthe lon naa a as ee Aci Lote a wine Fake oe a, Sania Piet ed ay gerbe pitiful ie ies or Seda mate ee ‘Socal ee dT od a opeeminty Se tee, Pitt ac itehe awe : “Wel, it does not make any difference. ‘There is to be no del tut ih nat cer psu Mec at Se eave Yee? mee ome ead," Yer; but X'will not goin the bask ous” ; ‘hey said at yl not the bck doors You must come” Tsuty., Pea at See ese ee apathy wit enbordag ti plea =F en yt ling cme ll dae inthis Lagion for poate, Tees allows hive been geting pall fant ad Sal eta eal Soper anastasia ty nis Aaa egestas nero tg ata a aa Ge aso ten, How at the money to do that!” . Pree in geen ox "Phen T bogan to smell, rat for fair. I said, “T do not believe cee eam aes Sos gr yo ia ay er on a ecu tcieieng Sho tn de on eigen fees elias ase sep lege eet oe cet secession lS es ee ra eB eo Peet go to tne bol So ere Gra ob fee | af a tga cree a a ne Ei ae ote at large and sa if 28 are nol we will have wccommodations for aout the int of August 1 sould sy pocbout it. MacGuite mado one other St as rw thingy ote tng si ct bad nt ad ine to ft tbe A anf aoked hi wre e got Seat adi tae Doyle a0 st the bigwest OO Walt tay ad, “we are going to got thom out. We will \ “we ai bom 7 soing test “STlat was all that happened the frat day as T recllet it, Thaw ia al el you ser ng at hapa ii with the specie days, ‘weal may Ys later they eae back in the same’ cay both mt of the picture He Terenas check thay ven op hi depen, and Twas co ge oo oa fet ge a dace eee cae Siisren ine cine ao earl SEED Pu Tatas GUN wheat Y wa Sate pe te oes aa ap ae Roacni erat seated at sca iio lle ta toh a SEI pede Paha maaan tana me SU ASP oe Die cthatn Lae 7 Sano hou, bt i i ea cof alll kth SS INES ORNS, Reem et ae TET «tien, Ti dso nig tn Tino sod ie cv in ad ge a se ea a pot on Ara Tew, el re Be ort he teat ny me Cand Marphy, Grane eat eats fond meat redanes hi Frnt me with ht eet ol geal ca oe Meee fe ies ean Bes aya, Se lt Eo ti gt a Dh an el ge a ym wl sey ‘Cavin Margy gotto do with it12° nvastoantow ov s421 ab onmE® PRoPsounDA ‘Well he said, “don't you know who he ist” 1 mid fat bai "oy eke dene how any gts obinetons® Ost New York, Dat , Wall,” he stid, “he is the nan who undeew formation | eisai artnet intone Sane “That ig the reason, hem : aay Tia ig he eng mane ings i tHe has ail a | for BS # 00 Gut ida, though. He wants to ote the soldare cand ‘Well, that was the end of tht conversation, T onfth taal tt gorse wt iiiceon ete ao ea ee a xs spe ir cere, te “the Oxamacan, In hie nemot "as it his name ae =e tee ee tet do not know bat-what Doyls just rode slong with Rao ‘The nest Une Tsaw him wos about the fl 9 in | ot Seen, evanricamion oF ‘art AND orm mordoawp 13 ni, I donot know, But Thom one hing. Sepaboly i feb, You ten nme ap Soar lca en wf’ give pats Sunt Sa a en oes Mere Gi "Fou ct boing used by somebody, and Lvant to know the Bitrate aetna lg goo mov "ite saids Welle wil sand one of them gver to see you.” T said, aH aly pit ark” i ie Cet ; Hal got ure et psn mone MAG ehh igms Gn ona br Have ela Meflow olds man ie hot" Ho told me. ‘Wout it peeable that he was saond ieutenant in the Ninth Intanry in Chiba during the Boxer canpaigat™ He ax, * That i eer on athe “millionaire Houtenant* and was srt of Illy, ort of queer, did all sort of extravagant chings, "He wed to orig abound Chins snd, wrote a beckon it on exploration Sen rt ae ee ae. Bt he hal tit of ‘Rev'tunt and an nels ded'and ef him $10,000,000, “That uthe ime. So he sald, "1 wil sond him over to see tele Rema tevin Tenet ot Sete Soe ail ty ‘Division. “Sunday morning he walked nto my wpe ought ho more about i until the end of the week, when, lari ST warplane ns anyone rie Be hashed cick in mi oe en ake eagle whe Pty lowe Td No; am no eg HR ya ight fl met yusthe abn” Timid, eon, e Si ew ep Soa soning re, vm hop _ fou have not got any money % time, and he stey ‘train, and I recognized him. ‘not rien ena gy emt Sa 3 ah ht ae drew tha ton tx mee seen fellow, Ee ait, bat oat Eon and had ch, ee, sande i te ea and Grove out fon and had anc etry wt at teen we a thats Bek that he had serervatione He afd something about ci ef hed ve the Fenoyiania Lime; at we could vonat Proll and go sight out with him, and thal he had « suite EFvoums forme tt the Palmer Honse and he would see that I'had & safe Se GPT nave got the spect” T said, You (Than telscDtyte nace, ee me te pec” T a, “Thy rots hel of gor speach, to.” He sid Did dow fellow ay yn ymenal Ee oman Torta Spe oe eer em 7 Tee 78 te Bee Ce a emcee taa= SEMEE rpetet aa teen scl a Zui Dons you try to give me any thousand dollar bil. Be nant pos Sip cece fh a Bea eee ot us ty aT Iss beat akan.” T now you people an what Jou tee Syke te tea eens tui bain, wetingepeacbea™” Ho ugha snl oat eying tpl by th nak PT PE EG BEE fe That open cnt lo of on™, Clark ald tat had is, you would hevs mo bythe neck” 1 mid, “Yon pu at money vay belo contd ee ant that mony aroun, boca do ot wnt fe bo oy Heatall,Yeld you dine Tanned poing te fae ee Clee” Well, are you going yourself" pat De hcaee eee pain epi ast cata eamtenke e e rere athe re ng con gre re ag cn ee es inp fe ers h eaee p elia fet Oooo sets Queen 2 el ete Pee edit = ee nay EiSrarmimene aeraM_—ivesmioamow or 4st axD ors rnopsounoe cig tia at as sf ne gig His converts wen cathe eae tia aE iavk said, * You understand jus howe we SH gO0 000, TT donot want to toe ik am Willing fo deat iS fe, $20,00000 to save the other batt" yomnk coca a {his speed in Chiengo, un eartatn Gat dey So Saag eat fe a tht wil b one stp toward the retaen to sogh tos fre fined, Bar pt feller an op for" We can gute aos teas oa Hea Carica : sie en agg etry EP Si Wey aah cnat pad ediaee ge Why Fuld not want tbe mized up in this hing ae a ete you very frankly: Me ihvnltine of denoerney” That eon ast aes ie {eat the democracy, and tnt in what C amegeine ek Seen nang eke. Tam not going to get thse soldi arity Sota inl sired up over the gold standard. ‘What the tall ary nar shevt the gold ctindardt You are just workin hon ae chat star they Inve bee one righ lang, and fn ay a oe Se that Thay do not uss then tay eee Amina A temocracy. "And en Twill go out wih dn th eS stay ae ym ret igen pei ati ete gt etek UGE karen a MUTE cia trl a Dong oes Finally f aid, “Do you know what you are trying to dol You Prine tbat toy rte te alent Pale ca peed Why do yor making that ind ts propgtin You eons ah mf "Worwent sd the Te a he ‘and ba 1d mole door and things ofthat kind, Tels ny own place, “Teme arene the ine ant ihe Meagan th eho I Pocbotle fantom "eon ny Sead What ou "oto wl you then yu son ea ‘tr mi ies he ect fhe be aS td al, «Ca Palen lent oat le a Gnae par. 2f MacGuire at the Palmer Hous ua he hace aE Sal Botler is not conta mon ab ge wh ‘it "Tam not coming ether, Stace ht ot io. YE Sy stng Heath ig HiThave rd eee (coming ‘The genaral ie not coing’ Tot srt Lam going to Catia to rat "Hf you wane, Ee Hae" ct ad ta” Yeu ave got enough money age a at "Yow can pat thie tse 6 — ee er Remar taieladieynaror he convati dard was endorsed by wom tre cl a ecard taal [naar areas nian Es aoe Sg ptt oy etait ora eee it to the house and told me that Se ec oe ae Berea Ra eet ae aad armen bn cage al ea eer se as ee sn pa > et coe ee ee pabaee am eee canis eee ee ho fe going’ to fay forthe dinner and this vido up in the pe = ee myeetntster tee, Prieta ome meme fea tiene Ze ™s ia a, we will think of something else." SEE Te Eerie at secant ca oc Rims nag om atte aes eon Ta Paar nee a Sees ir Se PASE a no ae ge pcos Toy marae A Seti eeecea a eerie | See TEL SRE ee piesa nee r esi Aiton feta cates aac Peat St Tihs Kin hke's dete Gnes* You Kooy, Ubaive that Tee ee Tarek epee16 tmvusricastow oy wast asp onute reoPAcanDA ‘sieve that can appeal to diem by the million to stand up 4 4 dnocray, because fey here me dake in danersey ta aig St Go sms We tn hve gg 2a "VR going out to the Veteran of Woreign’ Wars, ‘They are my {verse people ld regulars, anos Teanat goth hal sea tt ete sat preach to tay tink ne ae eo ‘bject in doing itt Eaies that hor downy bucase here ln ae aera creer TEL AISIE mice oy 2 wei oblate te, Bein a Says at ne Paar ieee fae ge cet AE i Tat bias eee we onl sakes af te SE Se Sanghi ead Bethe en ag ier i fi te ciphers ae ba 1 sai, * Te fting with this orm of government ie busine sy oat ts dat fs you Bains a regis be Sakd “I wanld not dota this fora of goveramett Juait* You hav got sme reson fr gating a tne So Sa ‘ut was th en ofthat vit, He did not get onthe texin when Tet: che latter part of November to mae this tour sf 3 none, never heard of him again until about Webreaey whe Penge ped curd from Nice, down on he Rivers. He ail Ne ee he swe in ce Gren tn Tp he a it {ex tag Clare to pall money out of Clans By digitonin het eat hi sedano pon and thes fe eae ang aa Seip bck ond Ce, ar fen oe ie a ill go nlong Hf you will got me $500 muse”. Hn other onal couse i wanking bolt ends agin the me net ee 1 anker out of Canis Howovr, if Clark wnntal to gerd of mye pv om st thr Sl a de Washing a "hendrerit a he Jot mein November, “He nent over tha Ive of Decetbers Tht eon The eli pth nr of tn “Viet slong in the attr pact ot August ot the yous happened ths year ntl Angvrt—he cll mc on thee peg a dept at dat he wma fo kaw Trak ae ae alpha dat afternoons tnt he ony haa Yor shot ihe ea mae ee ey a |= Noi T do not want to moot You at the railrond statior sh outs siebaint tape eke ay aera, ie vee apreng eetng nae, Sen SS” Re ah i at feline Gat fetin Shane he tong Rely Tileeimctisrete ceria Maa, : ie ht ey olin pte? 2 Bes es Sta Phat leo pe i rr ee eee Te a eepeberers ican Berton ed sponte Parad a a te eared Mee al an an ee en ol Oe Reset eetintal Tikarec stony om at Paes ea a eek temo tc Cee an etre oe ihre won ete Seer Eland are he ta de aly q ization wwe are going to have. it is an organiza on it T do not cli” Hia gave me th Hench nave for. it but T do pot Bra ici Saver toll have ponomend i anybor., Bat sie oetmnmemenar a le epi aa Sacer ied pees cage agea ce oat Sova bar ved ition of that kind.” Meet pn orpeton fh kink 1 is ni yu wa tod wih when You go fe scecmenees ears L,“ ‘The President does not need the support pee ai eee arr catt Racist Sea ea aay Marne eae Fe tae gine agit Men en Sage ees ui years Me ho si, “they wll bo the support of the Present.” Ne aAge Betchus go te whole Ametian poopie. Why ‘vant them ‘ oe You understand the atop has got tobe changed ve gor tho President He fas HEN"How, we hte ea ye have gute Hrd fas erase ee ies nt stg Be Loar ae Pay hone Bin Govan Bos nd Be49 emasmiaatiow op sagt any oramn rnorsausa 5 long as toro was a lot of money stirring aroun eden some of eit cna tS what ag a ‘Stitod and talking sbout having dictators 1 peices menatar a aen * e there is one point chat T have forgotten which T think ie he t oporant of a." said, “What ave yor going fo sll ‘Boas Taf hi fice 1 | everything that be tala me eS uote orarnment in hi country, he ised, to mae fii Festi mms who want to tnt ie down ap week Pete ieee ale in Ameria, “To only men, who have the hate ert Pane te ilies and Smedley Bars the ideal ett could organing tllion men over Sight nes, die cotnorStion eld te he bad bn 1, Taly and Ger: a te eee summer of 1004 and the spring of 1984 snd ad Tan ny of te bacon fh Sond Fo Precast ifonnadton’on dhe Push and Not Se ao tea paged by Un reer 1 Dre Reap one in tis come A oe eel Ghroughont bie conversation with me that the ses tig wc tomenoualypetsotic that was saving the Nas OTe US omit, ad athe men they deal with have that tia as tha thy Communit ae ging 1 fa ans Seid th onl Gould be the afiors A fet be ag aati oneal ongue hi ott himself and ack « dll ‘il eg ella in fo apse wil some outwith ich "He did fate eth nam 2 3h et he ald hat it would all’ made plc; «soca | TERE ns about mating th Cotati pant ream amtaing Conan pave vox tt thing He ad ie en for i and he sald ha cod ge os > fo eral Bore. Noh cy sr tne Tan Han wi wanted Paul to snes hin Tie aed tsa he telephoned Pan sxying he 4 felphoned Po tying ha wanted to ce hs Heels a etl ts from everybody. We digouseed that and then fo came edasiod iD fase reputable person, and auld ho wa. That | MET en toe pent of geting utd Amani funds a he sid ae HaTR Moat ee bs any trouble to tein o million dollars. Guat. ‘Tho lat tale You had wit i uu, Tt al ou had wd McGinn ‘Bowian, “Anguet 85; yes. ‘The date can be identi see RE. ron tat ‘Wo'will Mar Me, French eri role oP or Sty Hc de caves crairomntee cea ctrat self cine ee att eae et, eg ead ee th Seton ot oyster tah tet of cent toe oe italistic system. i ry fe eet unde ry an ‘eye Tae’ es Heowevelé en then do wih him wal SA PTE Rn ai ries Soften, tne ral tare inci eg eT ee Ee ed eT NTT at fe Ans Tain nage spat ah eae AD od he ‘ull snmounee such plan. “He thon se letter across the desc and sid dha it was from [TESTIMONY OF PAUL oOWLY FRENCH (a witness was ty sworn by the ch ‘The Citanonane Wil’ atte pour nate fa the recon Ae Prec Paal Goly Brena Sa 88 seme ve Caray. With whom are Yon connected? aie. Prnxn. Tam a reporter, alr erat Hama repre fore Pile Record ad ‘The Cnoventax. You have beard the Genera’ testimony. Wi ‘so ak yan Jou ee fo i he ArH ese ea od me at Steer EE © foes mana omen cf he Monn ‘itouch wi acGuze in New York und WME. BY Onanaeay Did he show you the tert . tanga to coma anf se him, he Ciewaca. Thee i Setember of Mr. Faseu. September 15 158i 1 came Now Ye cant ‘ler ts Trnteay The ols oo ont ayn tig and hen be ee py At et Mo es Soon The Canis, You had this tale wth MacClire Ie Fe Fano real is st pate tov pT cold smolts Int he didnot show ik fo That he Bad discus eae ih lg ti ie of av 2 ce wa Tote itt nea hat ha talked of this Feseit propost- Ing kT ok eat nen in mpeg wi Thar the contortion he nlvo mentioned Henry Stephens, of Fee Te ony Ramer atonal commander of the Amerian2A mevesmiaarion op Ast ax oFmEE YROPAaAODA EVEENLOATION oY BAT AND orutDM wROPAaAmD. 25, ‘he Cuamax. You know Bill Doyle, do you n Me Micdome Yon ree eet ‘Bho Onarmman. Do you know General Baleet ‘ho Gran. Dil yu and Bil Doyle, General Bert . Did you and Bi to so General (Me Atco daly of 1801 at - Mr. MacKeine: Why, Me. Chairman, to my reoletion i wa Myo 8 iter Abul er May. i i is fe, Maco. tld im, hat bad mot Ni atonal se pant rT as ned i Paige Sahm he Tai Std Nolo: bo gd a Sin Carbuare An fou ani. Doyle wont wp to me ht Me geome Tat ig ‘Gnamaax. You were there for about how long, Me. a a la ook ra a a ere ee aa, oe Seaton warner eed SD RaRe et RO act nian PRES SEE aa cpr Heo or mt Qn te at loge Sache a hbase Ep ot Soar asa SRT maim siaae 2 LTE rw sc he oer was that I had alwaye been a great a: at ho would bes ne man to'by commandor of the Legion ‘of thane enbjsts were ‘Chapmcan. Was there some tale ebout uneeating the royal Sion ba Bt Ste a pte tc pe aa ra ent me res ad ETE Thre was ung way posible and he wan a dlrae to the Se "en ra oey nae nee | di tine eat Mm mrs the ing we IME meat How he wend tg an ok jetliner re ee | AES Soe tact Seema it MR ton, Zk ua a we Shi Anse ee mers Seem inns Be og at Hs io cee mn ee ee meu we 3 ee phoned him from Philadelphia? - array a3. a eae ae eri mut tat Me MicGmm: Krom ‘Baedtpla heow of Se senna point fom Washing ‘inn ren of whlch geese! Sti fr. MacGrom Ie seams to me that along @ or 8 months after sir oom nt te RvB a wiht wn rot te seweuaein lg as Se a re mae i ax. When You called up, did you tall him who you: Bees rene tn fron hove think ether Dope or toy donot mow Sie oe vas; Dole probaly, becuse he knew mor abot te ogin tt Ido ot tnow scaly what hope te Geral sted tat bend Se fe Dif you or Doyle suggest his being a delegate poe een oe eee nee ere Mr Msclee Synaral, the fst posed wold be toy aoa ee ees ae MleGiomn te no tid wo ld in that way, inthe way in sel Deposit thew rar etl ofthe gion ut 6 you went out thn26 vesmoariow op wast aD orien rRorsoan: Me, MacGoimn W,sr; postivay not. ie Grane, Wee there any tal along that line At Macon. There wor Ghee Tse te, outa sci ua ao did Daya Yor commanaeroP atte, Mol {ally if you are going tu have a men for commesties a to aint acme People who rg also putting a man atin What ago hate a a oun lier sa Whe’ pi scaniadt "Was", a Mh Mentioned Bie. MacGouee. No; the gold standard was not menti the gold sturd or the sou matter of fact, 1 20 not tide, one ita very minds at that particles mn The Granacse. You sald Sat inte talk oe Mr me Te us be it lace. 16 was brought up, andthe wasn it was bel i Casticn, Never mind th ron vehi ca Ee etme pate Mike he Ley ant te cone or a eound dollars and T thought Gonetat Dae, fie co bun al going oil aking er varie noe athe Bl eng qt tc othing fori San fea ‘That was the object im bringing it oe eae Conall ‘Whe Canara, a wid ‘eG a rE Sn ag act ‘The Onanmery. Did you «ie Chama. Dii you leave « such with hin spt ‘aro mato a eventon ike wet eat ear” ms Oa DAN jou ater? Did you apltt Caiman, Did Sou latert Did you at any time lev ‘Me MacGoome. No, ir. sz car Un te suport of rena con nvention cn rotor a favoring s feast xiao tnonny tte He alec Hoa Manda Spoken hana ar ee Mr. Macon. Poltively not, 4 ESSE RE TS at side seid One at nae ie ing along thet linet ” ‘The Chaman, Weakening wine ndiioes SME OH Inoeace of the dainistenag rvesrication OP MAzi AND OTHE AROPAGKYDA f, nuon. No, se; Xd not baler the administration ag Mg Maen NO Punt Hewswele or anybody down Sere Fis Eater, Di ol wht psn yon el co Meeker Ta To eee Sapna nt omnes we es at ta Mie Tragenam. Did you come back 9 or 8 days Ite to ote hin Ne, MacGom, Tro or thre days latrt Me accom NS in fie et aarti Sit is cnt RE eae a ity He guar ye wen Fe er ee mer dagen i wll wih Gena pe Macao £ Send Sp Sthoc'iy Puta dT Bae ght ort, eet sa vee and ae le de enw at some time or other that he could ME ec ee Eatin Pert : coc Far mame alk boo he ging ut ws a8 ue Simee, Reatard neh oe ee ei tr Senses N:P oa ab any tin all him, aftr the delegate sae ces at be nee go ot as an onary len ss it Pte nded ties inghnnaives to go to Chia = $21 A bre be ue nto fhe convention ny were domand Coat eine rapes KrtaBtin: No Xo not blir 495 ns3° Ravaemaaniow o7 sian sno orm rnordounn es Cuapoca. Wall did yo al him ct Me, MacGcom Noy she; 1300 not. Bs Gham, Da te ated a Xi eet a ; Ae Chan, Diy alk ofthat kind tak pla ‘Mr. MicGomm. No, siz.” ea ‘i i you lea amp there? ‘The Onamatux. Was there any talk about how or from when hicagot ‘thes too tres unre eter then ete fo ‘Me. BracGoms: No, se, eee that there expenses werd paidthat “We ere plenty" ‘te MacGoms No, a ae [fie Cnatgnc, Wes hs. Doyle with yon the seond time that yo y ‘The Ouammacin, At any tine aid you tale fata bank book and vigted tat ‘ME. MacGoun. No, sir. Me. Doyle was only with me onc, sage i depots ug. Said around 40 oF 8 thsi della ‘Mr, MacGumm. No, sir, a ame adie, Cxamacn ‘Where did you so him the second time, Mr, Me. MicGone. General Baer ‘he Grape, a iy Mickle: Wall, Mi. McCormack I do not know wht = hole offs Nowa fe Frey ninth Dien abe wlan = lary een aie no up ands ef Peal ot Sindag onl Pat oe” Lt the send fie was when you say I was down tare wi this specch and (7B ceaman X am mt sing saying. Wit ppd oom ty xerast tt i nt shy tt Gl ate spa es re a ih lant alan tee Ra a ‘ond tina T met him or vets hia i spect nt then here free the name of fe Tsai, CCerttey nae gee Junch with him and then wert down an hard gan afer hat he we streamed witha fot of fellows, ant he wae tne stay ther fr the diner Unt they ware gain to have thd we ing wen home, Ave Gitameay. You were inthe Navy during the we (Mr. MacGums, Yes, To ae ‘Tue Caammcay, Hot dd you happen to boat this conention of he Testa Sg Mic envied ie Gian. He wits yo and lav ‘Mr, Mactiuine. Yes, rites mene ay te you, What am T gol to talk “him F Wall wa hare vole Spats aa, Di Youn apy tn ay that you wood es to | jon op Ast ap omaun FRopacanDs 3) sauce, Have you got the etter? ji Fe Gaeeat: Be vader Een or led moon the teophones wi Raa oa nna tin bbl S esieee rene dina Fe Maite, Do you knew Golo! Morphy? He Maso Le cand with hm n anyway! He cer, ih yearn He mame to ener Bust oe Gua rane tte inert as 1a GaN at wae Gein cometon yaa. Did he at any dave ask you where you got the SRE accom, I never had any money and he ever asked me it er Bf, Tn what way did Colonel Morphy’ mame come Boe ea : me = siz. I cannot’ answer that; I do not know. I do SESS ert amare Ct at Betty eee ara Re el ee ed Macrae pe do uml! Sadie Wa ae Bete A aan gt EeeGre FR a geet! Bees Seon coe Te Sata a we ome ee i ere. fi Gate to a a ein. Esha Ich on tr nd wd i tr vy att eee d 4 jomn That was long afterward, The money that Mr. z ene Niu given to me long afar the Chicago conrention the Foxton Re Gmc. ‘That wasn Mr Bacio Yes," > Soveniber HB, asset Phoula say. around October or30 mivmsrmoariow oF wast AND ORRINE PRoPAcanas Se Gra Whe nt iiiame Pagina Rosse at oe SOMES nace Acyl se se eae a ea Ener ts ee het ae i ie cleat roeeole’ FUSE ne tm a. reou Oe Bedeg Da SP Pwo te Gn Beer ACERT verona uot reas Aba ret ies Be Pap tccel ces ae tamacax, Who has thei not” Se a a te ‘Be Chamncay. Who are the auditors? 2, Macon, j ells pacite Jotn 4° oni Go, carted pai wml (The Cuamicax: Did you rcsive any money personally rom Mt, Sit MacGune, Peronal Bho Gismmaan. Yast icin, Yes ae, Tei soe pet fore what was "he tu ams Er dewelng eas ie Par crgii rater || te Macduma, Yesy an3°T have resi ‘other time and $1,000 at another time, rie ta, wee aa sari et ‘The Cuamacan, Did you deposit that mon 4 Micka Depo te eens = ie Og nay nnd HE Rent PE os neaana es ie tdene Fee ee pkeeeenaeeey He rae il fe MetctrsTt Ot iiiee hebea hr onan call Be eee Wit J Ge, te Hog Re nd th Cte or, ‘ynsrroariom oP WAEK AND ovuR rnomaunD4 oh r MacClomm, Joint namo, yer; 0. C. ani BW. MacGuire, 7H Sacgonan. Have yon ty scr dap any oth bnkat Me AtseGomm. No, ify the feving nnd te Central Hanover and ta bane faturee, | The'Cittomcan. Have you axy deposits under any other name in ther banat Mie McGee. No, ie ‘The Crump the way, whats your lary wit thi concent |) MeeatscGccns My drain acsnunt 643 « month eight now, J ates WYachct Ws daving eco when Sou saad 7 Sir MacGhonm No, se, Te was $7,800. ‘Tha Cuaman. A yeart Paccmecs |The Onammcae, 1p hus beon roused? Me McGemm, Yea ‘The Cuumacist. Ami you are on commission, are yout Mer MicGenm Yee 2 ‘The Cun. And you car commissions in addition to thatt Be Noor have? yey a ‘The Cnamacan, Wat vere there amounts of $7,200 and $2500 snl $0 pron by Me Chak fr ‘ i AtseGowm. expenses ‘The $2500 and the 1,000 were in con- wh he exes ot ern the cite fy nd eer ip Barone Ba ta oecton ith ey of “is Gatmacar, Didl'yon know tat Me. Clark bad pereonal ak sith Geveral Butiert Tic hfsclcims Te woms to me that he mantiond tto me, but Z "The Camas. Who mentioned itt 4 ple ticle et Shik it mention, tut he meson In conection wil SB tha Cmamacaxe Did you know that Mr. Clark talked with him theat going to tho convantion! it action: Noy irs To not, ‘The Cirsamcan. Alb that he Clark, sid that he would se that af hence fo ge dest ‘is MlicGomn. Noy si ‘ho Grantan- Thiet he would arrange it through yout Mr. MacGh No, sie. eee Mo Chany. Bo yea not remember giving him ha spon that pee eece eat peer eee e aeetora Ie AfacCome: es Clack No, st ee ara Eee EL coma ize on .Crratmcan. Did ho ever eail you up in Chicago from General net MELE. rm out Dt he22 emsssieariow op a1s1 snp onman rnopdousn ‘The Cramer. Yee. Mr. Maou. Noy ir; to my rcallestion he did not ‘Bes Carnac, At the comveion, whet id you cay, what ll Mr Mtforn e Plnr Hows. ee The Guamacae, But atmo time ad you receive » call from Me (Ctr vile you ware in Cheapo. = Me. Mackin my sealed, no ‘Ble Goanatan. Petialriy from General Butlers own home! Me Mice i my roan, na he Guan, And was not the nan subjct of tlle that haul with General Baller on several seasons te sdopio of idee Tution by the convention urging the Government lose o ta ie, standart ot ia ued Mr. BoGoma se 3s Grattan. Wich a resolution adopted ot there ‘Mr, MacGume. Yes; it was. sonar? 4% you reanbert Je Gunman Wis pope j Me alae Well Fane fad enn ote ih propo ips anyones and Bil Baye nie Jae i iG ye el yo a Da wea nck 00 li env ego to Cau “ME Adsethom No, sie re: D ‘The Cranmcax. Aid Yor you to let loose the telegrams; lt the eat ES i eg ten i ee AY ca a | oe a, Wega a te gae | serail er cesta ate te ey tera hy vt a His Chars ora, eel pili Ai Tepe 8 aS Ung aie Pearcy TEM ae Facet A ayn ttn enna oh Sra rn once ‘Bho Cotas, Do you know $f an a gente embrace i Siete A alg han a tea Batic Htc tm co Patt ofthe exjense monty waa ea | The Cuanncax. Prior to the adoption of the resolution? 3 ‘he Guana Sonar ates da em weosiatetar $2 8 Ae Meeat Nat oggaty fo Watt ‘he Custunan, You deity no that nothing wasps on of ‘this fund for telegrams’ i . oe eae ysari0A710% OP BAEK AND OTHE PROPAOA Hae, MacGome. Exoopting thos tlagrams that wore sent after. nm Bing te nt you hae sft Me, Meco “Gr hraind « hundred The Baa ‘in any other Mb Eur ay moe in ny cave. N Ne immes to con- Se UE on i dy yn _ Me, Mace Anon nt che General a postear from Niet Beer ei noan ES EL eae Sr er ag Teles Fo rEet sat mae a E : relat hire Eas aac Sera ine in August cal him, when You wore Ce ae i he cold sant you thd id you =e "i on basins hea hk in August T ves guing down on bins spa hl ie Gin Diba eee ET anal edanes fleets ante sit fe ep ria et aw not Bhat (Eons ro yvonne dom ih rican ae TS Yt ow wr in ot Ea eae He Ayes ie . ee 8 qa him at ha ime hat on et aro mes es lta pled abroad ite me of Sapte fi onsen sd ee sh yo you went abroad and looked eg a Te Fovcnmant har and toe ase at he Te ‘tans played in aly is nna, de ho Fait Government Ws Guam Dia you say that they were the real backbons or cera i SA a eat pacasant aio onmem monuounoa 35 84 nevngriautox op wast AMD ormm reoPAdaxDs neverraurioN OF I ‘Mz MacCloum No, sir. ‘The veteran were nevee mentioned wha T inet General Butler, ‘Bie Guagacan. Did yon tll him about going to Germany! ‘The Cuunacixe And that Hillr's strength in his orguniatin was Be, veterans, but that that setup would hot go walla dhe Unde af, MicGoma, I woud ik o tll you what Idi tll him about jermany. ‘The Crane. Pleas tellus, | Mz. Micon. I old him Ghat in my opinion Hiller would mit | ust another year in Germany, that he was trendy onthe Bode sa eat eaue nhs overt etre eh ius were against hiay and to'my wy of guise he weed eh Inet an han anyother distatar would lag est i th by tht hat Yap eae NI, a ‘Tue Cuatmacsx. Did you at any time tall him about the ar-up af {he Hider governinent dnd the pare that the veternse play emp ne eee fresh titaa iia RS ile Se tomy end a eee nt at la on Sree cnday aa ew wet fig nme Sect nimi aan ar VE wee out wend itt TL ml af f'n ‘him go bnck on the farm and haves, od i is has heen to i shea ue ae tea dat iat Scien pine eee ot ead it en PY Su ltr ee. BS rcoitnamran soarmirmn vat ia net sandy, hd gi flon Wiliams cm Ate ee Ebro eee i 1 Me. MacGlom. No, sir. ‘The yoterane weie not mentianed, = F, OH was an engineer on (| RRS Sa Meee MMe tone ES i gre me pe Seri ma "ne wore locking for fa athe Seeite Goes carter Bieta teat anton secur ountt Beart fortaria st Sout Whe Ate nb il rw ohn” Cee tore Seen ee garg set mie sl icrieehcu ninth Maat rane mis ty arei oot er el tions f ma who were nonsommseaned ers ned aos Als. MacGumm. Twi tll you how that might have come op. He auld ne, “What did you find in Sranost >and Taal Welk Brads i having alt of tole They ae tying hand ty faye ss i oT ad Sad See and T think dhey will snoeea® T mid thot Thad several talks with diferent people over dere and bed bean ety | Iudh interested in the economie piceure of France and that Silt (hganizations and burinesses wero very hard hit becoe of Ge fee i {88 thoy wore staying on the old standard. I tld him that tie i ‘had been an organizttion formed over there, and orgeniation af elarans men who were in the front-line trenches unde fee sed ‘aid thal they are a very fine group, dat they are-with the Gavarne f JPost and the people ova thee, and as ar a¢T coud sce T hough Se CT argn 1a mt ton ets tering sree ues Bik Gehan Bos Kage when inet for Buried Be Gece: Deore age ei lyon whan be hes, aut nudlte dns 2: Reena rete eaten Be ities waeseccncca HE Eis mers Reread So rb aout thi neti pia hgh ew wf a ei cme ata eee ening Pic boat sree een eae eee ees eee ee] ah | shou h'nematy of shang the ebay of Gerace ah Mr. MacGomm No, si. "Au a mater of face'Uhe nant eel, ho arte thar nin Btwn cam ct eens PJ hanes fay anything ble tis oommtasee ‘Th Gnas, Lat me sy tat fh als came ot befor tha commnides heard the stoty Hythe petit eto Aa fe st ce, km rien ty le Brendel bce fo mo tame ‘he outtined a whole lot of Things that Gensral Butler had! oy Ms Chairmen, always thought thatthe fallow Deletes Ce of in." Hen anode ‘any smb of Cine shoot ait Suis in he comery that want hn to at ta an fount Yates tgs ¢ fea Bre organiaon “ie Ganon: feet Bole 2 oebliont6 nevesnigarion or sagt AnD orm PRoPAaAaoA [RIVESTIGATION OF BAT AND OWNER PROPAGANDA sea FT ia statements to me. ‘ea get in vor ofthe sient, aad we a a aoe eae ae oa Fe eT rn om od ‘wos only this talk that You had with the general 82" 7" Siete Ber bpeie ainda a pr er tte i tu ‘He had just writton that book at that time, and Clark said that he Beha feircing auras aioe ee mo ite Onamacax. Did not General Baler at tome tine ask edt “| ae if Jibs ‘in what connection; on the sound-dollar come HS oumun Zu TESA Fete uct ms tema ot tetas Te dante Fa eae en ee ae eae see cas mgm ‘out, “He stid he would like fo tall to Me. Clave ner ee mee wal Mi. MlacGorat Mes Dro, ee my, conteibuted money. Maca a Coe Rome iia Bee nk arent cp ae ed ‘of North Carolina; and a number of other prowinent legionnairen ecm isae ee Getting ioe Mt eae Senay cree Mints eacera eee ae. % Tore, of Witnington, and sci man in the Waele shake minting yee the sound-dollar committee, os oe SS pennant eae ieee pr eet ‘ai masay this te Chairman in connection with We sound-dllar committe "T brougit some of th literature here. We got Io, Principally co educate Uh pablis. We had diferent cheptets fore {itor th country and pmccaly ited tn ou remion at ‘we wore in favor ofthe Presidant and his postion on sound mony 4nd at we wanted fo back him up ao mil a posible nde wey inst the Inflationets ‘and the poople who vere trying 0 be Eatonton nth county. woah ie ove tat ial the Cugsmocan, You want to leave this with us {refering to i Ele te Aare it oe cra ae Peco Wt eet aan mtg isi Den iene ae a si et aa err on Fae aa em fie) Hie Beye mpl A Estero Tom Bcd of Nah Caroline; Chane Risin, fT think he isin Washington or Qre- ‘fon; Jobin Quinn 5 uk Belgrano, the presnt nati ‘commander. (acer heen eres ip ter pier. Is erat evga cata sail eran ent emer a ea tairamncatt Manjaveatecr ts eee Se geate Wilt rnc the . epee Meyer at bith ening op. 1 ses Cel of dna cents He Showghte hete yin ATA in er et ‘Mbeconpon tha commiiee adjourned wt 10:80 a. m, Wednes aay, Now 2, 1804)