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ALLOWING CAMERAS AND ELECTRONIC MEDIA

IN THE COURTROOM

HEARING
BEFORE THE

SUBCOMMITTEE ON ADMINISTRATIVE OVERSIGHT

AND THE COURTS
OF THE

COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY

UNITED STATES SENATE
ONE HUNDRED SIXTH CONGRESS
SECOND SESSION

SEPTEMBER 6, 2000

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 COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY
ORRIN G. HATCH, Utah, Chairman
STROM THURMOND, South Carolina PATRICK J. LEAHY, Vermont
CHARLES E. GRASSLEY, Iowa EDWARD M. KENNEDY, Massachusetts
ARLEN SPECTER, Pennsylvania JOSEPH R. BIDEN, JR., Delaware
JON KYL, Arizona HERBERT KOHL, Wisconsin
MIKE DEWINE, Ohio DIANNE FEINSTEIN, California
JOHN ASHCROFT, Missouri RUSSELL D. FEINGOLD, Wisconsin
SPENCER ABRAHAM, Michigan ROBERT G. TORRICELLI, New Jersey
JEFF SESSIONS, Alabama CHARLES E. SCHUMER, New York
BOB SMITH, New Hampshire
MANUS COONEY, Chief Counsel and Staff Director
BRUCE COHEN, Minority Chief Counsel

SUBCOMMITTEE ON ADMINISTRATIVE OVERSIGHT AND THE COURTS

CHARLES E. GRASSLEY, Iowa, Chairman
JEFF SESSIONS, Alabama ROBERT G. TORRICELLI, New Jersey
STROM THURMOND, South Carolina RUSSELL D. FEINGOLD, Wisconsin
SPENCER ABRAHAM, Michigan CHARLES E. SCHUMER, New York
KOLAN DAVIS, Chief Counsel
MATT TANIELIAN, Minority Chief Counsel

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STATEMENTS OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS

Page
Feingold, Hon. Russell D., a U.S. Senator from the State of Wisconsin ............. 2
Grassley, Hon. Charles E., a U.S. Senator from the State of Iowa ..................... 1
Hatch, Hon. Orrin G., a U.S. Senator from the State of Utah, prepared
statement .............................................................................................................. 4
Leahy, Hon. Patrick J., a U.S. Senator from the State of Vermont, prepared
statement .............................................................................................................. 5
Schumer, Hon. Charles E., a U.S. Senator from the State of New York ............ 30
Specter, Hon. Arlen, a U.S. Senator from the State of Pennsylvania ................. 31

WITNESSES
Becker, Hon. Edward R., Chief Judge, U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third
Circuit, Philadelphia, PA, on behalf of Judicial Conference of the United
States, prepared statement ................................................................................. 7
Busiek, David, News Director, KCCI Television, Des Moines, IA, on behalf
of the Radio-Television News Directors Association, prepared statement ...... 49
Goldfarb, Ronald, prepared statement ................................................................... 54
Gertner, Hon. Nancy, Judge, U.S. District Court for the District of Massachu-
setts, prepared statement .................................................................................... 19
Wardle, Lynn D., Professor of Law, J. Reuben Clark Law School, Brigham
Young University, prepared statement .............................................................. 41
Zobel, Hon. Hiller B., Associate Justice, Superior Court Department, Massa-
chusetts Trial Court, prepared statement .......................................................... 24

APPENDIX

PROPOSED LEGISLATION
Bill No. S.721 ........................................................................................................... 65

ADDITIONAL SUBMISSIONS FOR THE RECORD

Administrative Officer of the U.S. Courts ............................................................. 68
Robert D. Evans, American Bar Association, letter .............................................. 69

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 ALLOWING CAMERAS AND ELECTRONIC
MEDIA IN THE COURTROOM

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 6, 2000

U.S. SENATE,
SUBCOMMITTEE ADMINISTRATIVE OVERSIGHT
ON
AND THE COURTS,
COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY,
Washington, DC.
The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 2:03 p.m., in room
SD226, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Hon. Charles E. Grassley
(chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.
Also present: Senators Specter, Schumer, and Feingold.
OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. CHARLES E. GRASSLEY, A U.S.
SENATOR FROM THE STATE OF IOWA
Senator GRASSLEY. I would call the Subcommittee on Adminis-
trative Oversight and the Courts to order.
Before I make a few opening comments, Senator Schumer is
going to be a little bit late and so wherever we are in testimony
and if he wants to speak at that point, I would ask him to make
his opening comments at that point. Somewhere along the line, we
are going to have Senator Specter come to introduce and comment
on his constituent who is with us today, and we have Senator Fein-
gold from the State of Wisconsin here and he will make an opening
statement.
I want to say good afternoon to everyone. Today, we are con-
vening this hearing on S. 721, which we refer to as the Sunshine
in the Courtroom Act. This bill makes it easier for every American
taxpayer to see what goes on in the Federal courts, which obviously
the taxpayers fund. The bill, which I introduced with Senator Schu-
mer of New York, would allow photographing, electronic recording,
broadcasting, and televising of Federal court proceedings.
Helping the public to become well informed about the judicial
process will result in a healthier judiciary, and I believe a better
country. On the other hand, more public scrutiny will bring about
more accountability and help judges to do a better job.
As Thomas Jefferson said, The execution of the laws is more im-
portant than the making of them. Because Federal court decisions
are often far reaching and often the final statement of our law, it
is critical that judges operate in a manner that provides the great-
est accountability. We need to let the sun shine in on our Federal
courts.
In addition, allowing cameras in the Federal courtrooms is con-
sistent with the Founding Fathers intent that trials be held in
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front of as many people as choose to attend. I happen to believe

that the First Amendment requires that court proceedings be open
to the public and, by extension, the news media. The publics right
to observe judicial proceedings firsthand is hardly less important.
Put differently, the Supreme Court has said, What transpires in
the courtroom is public property.
An examination of the 47 States that allow cameras in State
courts reveals that still and video cameras can be used without any
problems, and procedural discipline has been preserved. My own
State of Iowa has operated successfully in this open manner for
now 20 years.
The arguments against cameras in the Federal courtrooms are
easily countered, and I am glad to counter them. First, we hear
that cameras brought about the disastrous O.J. Simpson case. Of
course, the Simpson case was very unique, and arguably the fact
that cameras allowed the public to see a judge lose control of the
trial gave most people a very different understanding of what went
on in that case than if they had not been able to witness the evi-
dence themselves.
Another reason for opposition is concern about witnesses safety,
and this is a very legitimate concern and is therefore addressed in
our bill. Technological advances make it possible to disguise the
face and the voice of witnesses upon request, thus not compro-
mising anybodys safety.
We have heard that allowing cameras in the courtroom is an at-
tempt by Congress to micromanage the courts. Of course, this
couldnt be further from the truth. Our legislation gives the sole
discretion of allowing cameras to the presiding judge. Now, it is
very curious to me that the Judicial Conference argues for more ju-
dicial discretion all the time, but doesnt trust its judges to make
decisions regarding cameras in the courtroom.
We also hear that the Federal appellate courts have the author-
ity to allow cameras in the courts, so what is the need for any
change in law? The problem is that the whole court has to agree
to it instead of just the presiding judge. Consequently, only the
Second and Ninth Circuits currently allow cameras.
All we are doing with this legislation is allowing a presiding
judge to make decisions on how to run his or her courtroom, and
helping the American people fulfill their right to participate more
fully in the judicial process by such judicial discretion. I look for-
ward to the testimony of todays witnesses.
I will turn now to Senator Feingold.

STATEMENT OF HON. RUSSELL D. FEINGOLD, A U.S. SENATOR

FROM THE STATE OF WISCONSIN
Senator FEINGOLD. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank
you for calling this hearing and for allowing me a few minutes to
speak at the outset. I wont be able to stay for very much of the
testimony, but I do want to thank the witnesses for coming and as-
sure them that I will review the record of this hearing.
Mr. Chairman, I strongly support allowing cameras in Federal
courtrooms for a simple reason. Trials and court hearings are pub-
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most rare and unusual circumstances, the public has a right to see
what happens in these proceedings.
We have a long tradition of press access to trials, but in this day
and age the public wants and deserves to see for itself. It may no
longer be sufficient to be able to read in the morning paper what
happened in a trial the day before.
State courts in the vast majority of States now allow trials to be
televised. This experience has shown that it is possible to permit
the public to see trials on television without compromising the
rights of a defendant to a fair trial or the safety or private interests
of witnesses or jurors. Concerns about cameras interfering with the
fair administration of justice in this country, I believe, are over-
stated.
Let me also note that I believe that the arguments against allow-
ing cameras in the courtroom are the least persuasive in the case
of appellate proceedings, including the Supreme Court. I had the
opportunity to watch the oral argument at the Supreme Court last
year in an important case concerning campaign finance reform. It
was a fascinating experience and one that I wish all Americans
could have.
There is no question in my mind that the highly-trained and
prestigious judges and lawyers who sit on and argue before our Na-
tions Federal appellate courts would continue to conduct them-
selves with dignity and professionalism if cameras were recording
their work. These proceedings are where law is made in this coun-
try. The public will benefit greatly from being able to watch Fed-
eral judges and advocates in action at oral argument.
So, Mr. Chairman, I am proud to be an original cosponsor of the
bill you have introduced with my friend from New York, Senator
Schumer. S. 721, it seems to me, is a responsible and measured
bill. It gives discretion to individual Federal judges to allow cam-
eras in the courtroom. At the same time, it assures that witnesses
will be able to request that their identities not be revealed in tele-
vised proceedings. This bill gives deference to the experience and
judgment of Federal judges who remain in charge of their own
courtrooms. That is the right approach, and I commend you, Mr.
Chairman and Senator Schumer, for taking it.
Now, my State of Wisconsin, of course, has a long and proud tra-
dition of open government, and I can tell you it has served us well.
Coming from that tradition, my approach is to look with skepticism
on any remnant of secrecy that lingers in our governmental proc-
esses at the Federal level. When the workings of Government are
transparent, the people understand it better and can more thor-
oughly and constructively participate in it. And they can more eas-
ily hold their elected leaders and other public officials accountable.
I believe this principle can and should be applied to the judicial,
as well as the legislative and executive branches of Government,
while still respecting the unique role of the unelected Federal judi-
ciary.
I hope that this hearing today will fully air the arguments for
and against S. 721 and that we can prevail upon the chairman of
the committee to report the bill and try to get it passed this year.
Cameras in the courtroom is an idea whose time came some time
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I thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Senator GRASSLEY. Thank you, Senator Feingold.
Before I introduce the first panel, I have a statement by the dis-
tinguished chairman of the full Judiciary Committee, Senator
Hatch, to put in the record on the legislation. Also, it acknowledges
the fact that we do have a constituent of his, Professor Lynn
Wardle, here as a witness as well.
We also have a statement by the ranking minority member of the
Senate Judiciary Committee, Senator Patrick Leahy, on the bill as
well, and we will put both Senator Hatch and Senator Leahys
statements in the record.
[The prepared statements of Senators Hatch and Leahy follow:]
PREPARED STATEMENT OF HON. ORRIN G. HATCH, A U.S. SENATOR FROM THE STATE
OF UTAH

Mr. Chairman, I commend my colleague and friend Senator Charles E. Grassley

for holding this hearing today. I join him in thanking the witnesses who will appear
today to give testimony on S. 271, legislation that would permit cameras and elec-
tronic media into our federal courtrooms. I also wish to acknowledge the presence
of a fellow Utahn and a fellow graduate of Brigham Young University, Professor
Lynn D. Wardle, who is one of the witnesses who will testify today.
The paramount objective of our federal courts is to administer fair and impartial
justice to individual litigants in individual cases. In criminal cases, federal courts
function properly when those guilty of violating the law are convicted and punished
and, conversely, when the innocent are declared innocent and set free. Similarly, in
civil cases, federal courts function properly when disputes between litigants are re-
solved in a just manner. No other mission of the federal courts is as important as
its mission to mete out justice.
The Judicial Conference of the United States, the policymaking arm of the federal
judiciary, strongly opposes S. 271 because it believes that allowing cameras and
electronic media in federal courtrooms could interfere with the ability of federal
courts to mete out justice. Supporters of S. 271, in contrast, argue that allowing
cameras and electronic media in the courtroom would increase civic education by
permitting citizens to witness the federal courts in action. The Judicial Conference,
however, maintains that increased public education cannot be allowed to jeopardize
the judiciarys primary mission of administering fair and impartial justice.
The Judicial Conference is well-equipped to make this determination. The federal
judiciary has examined the issue of whether cameras should be permitted in the fed-
eral courts for over 60 years, both in specific cases and through Judicial Conference
consideration. The Conference consistently has expressed its view that permitting
cameras in the courtroom is contrary to the interests of justice.
According to the Judicial Conference, cameras and electronic media in the court-
room can have an intimidating effect on litigants, witnesses and jurors that nega-
tively impacts the trial process. For example, cameras can intimidate civil defend-
ants who, regardless of the merits of their case, might prefer to settle rather than
risk damaging accusations in a televised trial. Moreover, a witness recounting facts
to a jury often will act differently when he or she knows that thousands of people
are watching and listening to the story. This change in witnesss demeanor could
have a profound impact on a jurys ability to accurately assess the truthfulness of
that witness.
The Judicial Conference also believes that S. 271 does not adequately address the
privacy concerns of litigants, witnesses, attorneys, judges and others sucked into the
maelstrom of a federal trial. Witnesses and counsel often discuss sensitive informa-
tion during the course of a trialinformation that frequently relates to individuals
who are not even parties to the case. Although such personal information about non-
parties is available to anyone attending court proceedings in person, televising and
broadcasting such information nevertheless would be problematic.
I agree that permitting cameras and electronic media in the courtroom could
interfere with the federal courts primary mission of dispensing justice. Cameras
and electronic media can change the way witnesses, litigants, attorneys and even
judges act in the context of a trial.
Furthermore, I am concerned about the widespread distribution about sensitive
personal information about non-parties that could result if S. 271 is enacted. I also
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vising of trials would raise the public profile of judges, U.S. Marshals and court per-
sonnel) to funding (S. 271 does not authorize funding needed to deal with the costs
of allowing cameras and electronic media in the courtroom).
Importantly, I believe that the federal judiciary has special expertise in this area
and is entitled to a measure of deference.
Although I have these reservations about S. 271, I am pleased that we will have
this opportunity to consider both sides of this question and hear from experts on
court procedures.

PREPARED STATEMENT OF HON. PATRICK J. LEAHY, A U.S. SENATOR FROM THE STATE
OF VERMONT

Our democracy works best when our citizens are fully informed. That is why I
have supported efforts during my time in the Senate to promote the goal of opening
the proceedings of all three branches of our government. We continue to make
progress in this area. Except for rare closed sessions, the proceedings of the Con-
gress and its Committees are open to the public, and carried live on cable networks.
In addition, more Members and Committees are using the Internet and Web sites
to make their work available to broader audiences. There remains room for improve-
ment, which is the reason I joined Senator McCain in introducing S. 393, the Con-
gressional Openness Act, which would provide public Internet access to certain Con-
gressional documents, including certain Congressional Research Service publica-
tions, Senate lobbying and gift report filings, and Senate and Joint Committee docu-
ments.
The work of Executive Branch agencies is also open for public scrutiny through
the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) and the Electronic FOIA amendments of
1996 that I was proud to sponsor. The FOIA has served the country well in main-
taining the right of Americans to know what their government is doingor in some
cases, not doing. As President Johnson said in 1966, when he signed the Freedom
of Information Act into law: This legislation springs from one of our most essential
principles: A democracy works best when the people have all the information that
the security of the Nation permits.
Information about what occurs in our nations federal courts is available through
physical attendance at proceedings which are generally open to the public and re-
stricted only by space limitations, or through review of published decisions. The
lines that frequently form outside the U.S. Supreme Court are a testament to the
fact that courtrooms are often not large enough to accommodate the publics interest
in first hand observations of the proceedings. Press coverage of trials and other
court proceedings provides filtered information through the lens of the particular re-
porter. Yet, cameras and electronic media remain forbidden from federal court pro-
ceedings. This blanket prohibition is a barrier to broader public access to view first-
hand the proceedings of the federal courts and our highest court, the U.S. Supreme
Court. The work of the Judicial Branch could benefit from additional sunshine on
its operations. The recent adverse publicity over release of federal judges financial
disclosure reports highlighted the skepticism that greets efforts to put up barriers
to public access.
I have co-sponsored S. 721, the Sunshine in the Courtroom Act, along with Sen-
ators Grassley and Schumer to bring more sunshine into our federal courts by al-
lowing the televising of federal court proceedings at the discretion of the presiding
judge.
This bill would permit presiding appellate and district court judges to allow cam-
eras in the courtroom but does not require them to do so. At the same time, it pro-
tects non-party witnesses by giving them the right to have their voices and images
obscured during their testimony. Finally, the bill authorizes the Judicial Conference
of the United States to promulgate advisory guidelines for use by presiding judges
in determining the management and administration of photographing, recording,
broadcasting or televising of the proceedings. The authority for cameras in federal
district courts would sunset in three years.
Forty-eight states, including my state of Vermont, permit cameras in the courts.
This legislation continues this tradition of openness at the federal level. Lessons can
be learned from the states as we saw in a recent ruling in New York that struck
down that states ban on televised coverage of trials. That ruling, which occurred
in connection with the highly publicized trial of police officers for the murder of
Amadou Diallo, was a response to Court TVs motion requesting that cameras be
admitted in the trial. New York Supreme Court Justice Joseph Teresi declared un-
constitutional a New York statute that had barred cameras from courtrooms for 48
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The quest for justice in any case must be accomplished under the eyes of
the public. The denial of access to the vast majority will accomplish nothing
but more divisiveness, while the broadcast of the trial will further the inter-
ests of justice, enhance public understanding of the judicial system, and
maintain a high level of public confidence in the judiciary. [People v. Barr,
701 N.Y.S. 2d 891 (Albany Cty 2000)]
In 1994, the Judicial Conference concluded that the time was not ripe to permit
cameras in the federal courts, and rejected a recommendation of the Court Adminis-
tration and Case Management Committee to authorize the photographing, record-
ing, and broadcasting of civil proceedings in federal trial and appellate courts. A ma-
jority of the Conference was concerned about the intimidating effect of cameras on
some witnesses and jurors.
The New York Times opined at that time that the court system needs to recon-
sider its total ban on cameras, and Congress should consider making its own rules
for cameras in the Federal courts.
I appreciate the concerns of the Conference, but believe this legislation grants the
presiding judge the authority to evaluate the effect of a camera on particular pro-
ceedings and witnesses, and decide accordingly on whether to permit the camera
into the courtroom. A blanket prohibition on cameras is an unnecessary limitation
on the discretion of the presiding judge.
In this time of unprecedented technology, we cannot ignore the fact that television
is a significant source of information about the American legal system. Allowing
wider public access through televised court proceedings will allow Americans to
evaluate for themselves the quality of justice in this country, and deepen their un-
derstanding of our justice system. This legislation is a step in the right direction
to make our courtrooms and the justice system accessible for public scrutiny. The
time is long overdue for federal courts to permit cameras in their proceedings.
I would like to thank Senators Grassley and Schumer for holding this hearing and
for their leadership on this important issue.
Senator GRASSLEY. I welcome our first panel. We have two Fed-
eral court judges and one State court judge. Our first witness is the
Honorable Edward Becker. With nearly 30 years of service on the
Federal bench, Judge Becker is currently the Chief Judge of the
U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, Philadelphia.
Prior to this, he was Judge of the U.S. District Court, Eastern Dis-
trict of Pennsylvania, for 11 years. Judge Becker is also a member
of the Executive Committee of the Judicial Conference and will be
representing them here today.
Next, we have the Honorable Nancy Gertner. Judge Gertner is
a District Judge of the U.S. District Court of the District of Massa-
chusetts, in Boston. This district had a pilot program involving
cameras in the courtroom from 1991 to 1994.
Our final judicial witness is the Honorable Hiller Zobel. Judge
Zobel is an Associate Justice for the Superior Court Department of
the Massachusetts Trial Court in Boston. He has extensive experi-
ence with the issue of cameras in the courtroom, having served as
Co-Chair of the Massachusetts Bar Association Bench-Bar News
Committee, and is currently the Chair of the Superior Courts
Media Committee. Judge Zobel was appointed by the American Bar
Association to the National Committee on Bar and Members of the
Media, which addresses media-court problems. And he serves on
the Advisory Board of the Donald W. Reynolds National Center for
Courts and the Media at the National Judicial College, University
of Nevada.
We will do it as we introduced you, so Judge Becker, Judge
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PANEL CONSISTING OF HON. EDWARD R. BECKER, CHIEF
JUDGE, U.S. COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE THIRD CIRCUIT,
PHILADELPHIA, PA, ON BEHALF OF THE JUDICIAL CON-
FERENCE OF THE UNITED STATES; HON. NANCY GERTNER,
JUDGE, U.S. DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF MASSA-
CHUSETTS, BOSTON, MA; AND HON. HILLER B. ZOBEL, ASSO-
CIATE JUSTICE, SUPERIOR COURT DEPARTMENT, MASSA-
CHUSETTS TRIAL COURT, BOSTON, MA
STATEMENT OF HON. EDWARD R. BECKER
Judge BECKER. Thank you, Senator Grassley. On behalf of the
Judicial Conference, I thank you for the opportunity to present our
views on S. 721. My oral statement is somewhat longer than 5 min-
utes, but in light of the importance of the issues to the Federal ju-
diciary, I respectfully request your indulgence to complete my re-
marks which will not exceed 10 minutes.
Senator GRASSLEY. Granted.
Judge BECKER. Thank you, sir.
Although the Conference strongly opposes the bill, before I ex-
plain why it is important to state that the Conference shares the
sponsors desire for improving public education about the Federal
judiciary. But Federal courts are already fully open, and the wis-
dom of S. 721 therefore turns on whether it will advance public
knowledge without damage to court processes. The Judicial Con-
ference believes that the answer is no.
I will begin with what we perceive to be harm to the judicial
process, but must first state two baseline premises. First, if this
proposal can result in real and irreparable harm to a citizens right
to a fair and impartial trial, it is unacceptable to say that the harm
is not great or that it is outweighed by the public good of televised
court proceedings. We cannot tolerate in the Federal courts even a
little bit of unfairness because that would be inconsistent with our
sacred trust.
If one thing is clear to me after 30 years on the Federal bench,
it is that balancing the positive effects of media coverage against
the degree of damage that camera coverage would bring is not
proper. Our mission is to administer the highest possible quality of
justice to each and every litigant, not to provide entertaining back-
drop for news reporters.
A second baseline point is that there can be a level of unfairness
in a trial that does not amount to a constitutional deprivation. I
speak here not as a decisionmaker in an individual case, but on be-
half of a policymaking body which wants to ensure that no level of
unfairness creeps into Federal courtrooms.
I will begin with the question of perceived harms. The Judicial
Conference maintains that camera coverage would have a notably
adverse effect on court proceedings. First, we believe that a witness
telling facts to a jury will often act differently when he or she
knows, or even believes that thousands of people are watching and
listening to the story. This change in the witness demeanor could
have a profound effect on the jurys ability to accurately assess the
veracity of that witness. Media coverage could exacerbate any num-
ber of human emotions in a witness, including bravado and over-
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What, you may ask, is the basis for my conclusion? It is the 1994
evaluation by the Federal Judicial Center of the 3-year pilot pro-
gram of electronic media coverage of Federal civil proceedings in
six district courts and two courts of appeals. Anyone who has cited
that study in support of the bill has overlooked its most salient
findings.
For example, 64 percent of the participating trial judges and 40
percent of the participating attorneys reported that at least to some
extent cameras make witnesses more nervous than they otherwise
would be. In addition, 46 percent of the trial judges believed that
at least to some extent cameras make witnesses less willing to ap-
pear in court. And 41 percent of the trial judges and 32 percent of
the attorneys found that at least to some extent cameras distract
witnesses. Just imagine what the findings would be if criminal
cases or truly high-profile cases had been piloted. These are dis-
quieting figures indeed.
But other findings of the FJC study bear on the ability of the
courts to administer a fair trial in a televised case. Sixty-four per-
cent of the trial judges found that at least to some extent the cam-
eras caused attorneys to be more theatrical in their presentations.
Forty-three percent of the appellate judges found the same syn-
drome at work.
Seventeen percent of the trial judges responded that at least to
some extent cameras prompt people who see the coverage to try to
influence their juror friends. These statistics are based on exit
interviews with jurors. Seventeen percent of the trial judges and 21
percent of the attorneys found that at least to some extent cameras
disrupt courtroom proceedings. The report by appellate judges was
even higher26 percent. Twenty-seven percent of the attorneys re-
ported that the cameras distracted them, and 19 percent of the at-
torneys believed that at least to some extent the cameras dis-
tracted jurors.
There are also disturbing reports about the effect of the cameras
on judges. Nine percent of the trial judges reported that at least
to some extent the cameras caused judges to avoid unpopular deci-
sions or positions. Fifty-six percent if the appellate judges found
that, to some extent or greater, cameras cause attorneys to change
the emphasis or content of their oral arguments. And 34 percent
reported that at least to some extent cameras cause judges to
change the emphasis or content of their questions at oral argu-
ment.
One more finding bears particular mention. Fifty-six percent of
the trial judges reported their belief that media coverage violates
witness privacy. Now, we appreciate S. 721s sensitivity to this
issue, but we are concerned about the provision that would require
courts to disguise the face and voice of a witness upon his or her
request.
Anyone who has been in court knows how defensive witnesses
can be. Frequently, they have a right to be. They are summoned
into court to be examined in public. Sometimes, they are embar-
rassed or even humiliated. Providing them with the choice whether
to testify in the open or blur their image and voice would be cold
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Sections 1(a) and (b) of the bill would allow the presiding judge
of an appellate or district court to decide whether to allow cameras
in a particular proceeding. If this legislation were to be enacted, I
am sure that all Federal judges would use extreme care and judg-
ment in making this determination.
Nonetheless, Federal judges are not clairvoyants. You never
know what is going to happen in a trial. I sat on the trial bench
for 11 years and I know that. Even the most straightforward or
run-of-the-mill cases have unforeseen developments. Obviously, a
judge never knows how a lawyer will proceed or how a witness or
party will testify. The notion of conferring discretion upon the trial
judge to decide on cameras in advance does not eliminate our con-
cerns.
Now, there are a number of other harms that are detailed in my
statement that I do not have the time to discuss here, but I men-
tion them briefly and refer the committee to my prepared state-
ment for supporting arguments in detail.
First, cameras can create security concerns. I note in this regard
that there is a greater risk in Federal courts in this respect than
in State courts. The number of threats against Federal judges and
Federal facilities has escalated tremendously in recent years, and
widespread media exposure could exacerbate this problem.
Second, S. 721 seems to assume that camera coverage will be
without cost to the Federal judiciary. But that, I respectfully sub-
mit, is not so. To the contrary, considerable costs will likely be re-
quired not only for equipment and retrofitting facilities, but also in
hiring and training of media coordinators in each of the Federal
courts. The media representatives surveyed by the FJC represented
that a media coordinator was essential to the program.
Now, finally, let me turn to the other part of the putative equa-
tion, the supposed educational benefit of cameras in the courtroom.
The proponents of cameras rely, of course, on the supposed benefits
of public education and understanding court processes, but it has
yet to be proven that cameras in the courtroom will significantly
further them.
The FJC study sought to analyze the results achieved during the
pilot project. The main approach to the issue lay in a content anal-
ysis of evening news broadcasts using footage obtained during the
pilot program. The 90 stories analyzed presented an average of 56
seconds of courtroom footage per story. There is, I respectfully sub-
mit, precious little educational content in 56 seconds.
Moreover, 63 percent even of that courtroom footage was voiced
over by a reporters narration. Thus, the witnesses, parties and at-
torneys spoke on camera for just over one-third of the air time. The
information about the nature of the case was provided by the re-
porters or anchors.
The FJC report concluded on this point that the vast majority of
the stories did not even identify the proceeding as a civil matter.
Seventy-seven percent of the stories failed even to identify the type
of proceeding involved. The point is that the stories did not provide
a high level of detail about the legal process in the cases covered.
The analysis revealed that increasing the proportion of courtroom
footage used in a story did not significantly increase the informa-
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In view of the foregoing, I suggest that the benefits of televised

coverage of courtroom proceedings are greatly overrated and are
certainly far outweighed by the detriments I have described. Tele-
vision news coverage appears ofttimes simply to use the courtroom
for a backdrop or a visual image for the news story which, like
most stories on television, are delivered in short sound bites.
Two final points very briefly. The other vehicle for transmission
of courtroom proceedings are the cable networks, but they do not
alter the balance. First, they are not free. Moreover, cable networks
rarely provide gavel-to-gavel coverage. What they do is to package
limited trial excerpts with commentary, often interspersed with fre-
quent commercial breaks. What results is not education into court
processes, but entertainment.
In conclusion, I note, Mr. Chairman, that the Federal judiciary
acknowledges that more needs to be done to improve the general
understanding by the public of the Federal judiciary and its proc-
esses. But we believe that this goal can best be achieved by active,
judicially-sponsored community outreach programs.
Federal courts have in the past few years begun to play an active
role in this area through a variety of judicial outreach programs.
We believe that this will provide true education about the courts
and that any funds available are better spent on community out-
reach programs than a cameras in the courtroom project.
Mr. Chairman, I thank you for allowing me to testify and, of
course, at the appropriate point will be pleased to answer any ques-
tions that you may have.
[The prepared statement of Judge Becker follows:]
PREPARED STATEMENT OF HON. EDWARD R. BECKER
The Judicial Conference of the United States, which is the policy-making body for
the federal courts, strongly opposes enactment of S. 721, a bill that would allow
media coverage of court proceedings in the federal courts. The Conference has thor-
oughly studied this issue and has taken the position that permitting cameras in the
federal trial courts is not in the best interests of justice because it may threaten
a citizens right to a fair trial.
Among those reasons supporting the Conferences position are the following.
The intimidating effect of cameras on litigants, witnesses, and jurors has a pro-
foundly negative impact on the trial process.
Allowing camera coverage of court trials could interfere with a citizens right
to a fair trial, even though judges would be provided discretion in permitting cam-
eras.
Permitting camera coverage would almost certainly become a potent negotiating
tactic in pretrial settlement negotiations.
Allowing cameras in federal courts can create security concerns and heighten
the level and potential of threats to judges.
Cameras can create privacy concerns for countless numbers of persons, many
of whom are not even parties to the case, but about whom very personal information
may be revealed.
The negative responses in a 1994 Federal Judicial Center report reviewing a
pilot program on cameras in the federal courts led the Conference to conclude that
the intimidating effect of cameras on witnesses and jurors at trial was cause for
alarm.
Permitting cameras in the courtroom will not significantly further public edu-
cation and understanding of court processes.
Open proceedings have been a hallmark of the federal judiciary, and the federal
courts are leaders in the use of technology to promote access to and use of the fed-
eral courts. In addition, the judiciary has developed community outreach programs
throughout the country to promote education about the judicial process. But a
judges paramount responsibility is to ensure that all citizens enjoy a fair and im-
partial trial. It is the mission of the federal judiciary to administer the highest pos-

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sible quality of justice to each and every litigant, and not even some unfairness re-
sulting from media coverage can be tolerated. Because cameras in court proceedings
could compromise a citizens right to a fair trial, the Judicial Conference opposes
S. 721.
I. INTRODUCTION

Mr. Chairman, and Members of the Subcommittee, my name is Edward R. Becker.

I am presently Chief Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Cir-
cuit, having served on the court for over 18 years. Prior to that I was a judge of
the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania for over
11 years. I will observe my 30th anniversary on the federal bench on December 11,
2000. I am appearing before you today in my capacity as a member of the Executive
Committee of the Judicial Conference of the United States. On behalf of the Judicial
Conference, I appreciate the invitation to testify. We hope that the testimony pro-
vided here is useful to you.
As you requested, this statement will comment on S. 721, a bill that would allow
media coverage of court proceedings. The Judicial Conference strongly opposes this
measure.
The federal judiciary has examined the issue of whether cameras should be per-
mitted in the federal courts for more than six decades, both through case law and
Judicial Conference consideration. The Judicial Conference in its role as the policy-
making body for the federal judiciary has consistently expressed the view that cam-
era coverage can do irreparable harm to a citizens right to a fair and impartial
trial. We believe that the intimidating effect of cameras on litigants, witnesses, and
jurors has a profoundly negative impact on the trial process. Moreover, in civil cases
cameras can intimidate civil defendants who, regardless of the merits of their case,
might prefer to settle rather than risk damaging accusations in a televised trial.
Cameras can also create security concerns in the federal courts. Finally, cameras
can create privacy concerns for countless numbers of persons, many of whom are
not even parties to the case, but about whom very personal information may be re-
vealed at trial.
These concerns are far from hypothetical. Since the infancy of motion pictures,
cameras have had the potential to create a spectacle around court proceedings. Ob-
vious examples include the media frenzies that surrounded the 1935 Lindbergh
baby kidnapping trial, the murder trial in 1954 of Dr. Sam Sheppard, and the more
recent Menendez brothers and O.J. Simpson trials. We have avoided such incidence
in the federal courts due to the present bar of cameras in the trial courts, which
S. 721 now proposes to overturn.
The federal courts have shown strong leadership in the continuing effort to mod-
ernize the litigation process. This has been particularly true of the federal judi-
ciarys willingness to embrace new technologies, such as electronic case filing and
access, videoconferencing, and electronic evidence presentation systems. The federal
courts have also established community outreach programs in which several thou-
sand students and teachers nationwide have come to federal courthouses to learn
about court proceedings. Our opposition to this legislation, therefore, is not, as some
may suggest, borne of a desire to stem technology or access to the courts. We oppose
the broadcasting of federal court proceedings because it is contrary to the interests
of justice, which it is our most solemn duty to uphold.
Today I will discuss some of the Judicial Conferences specific concerns with this
legislation, as well as with the issues of cameras in the courtroom, generally. How-
ever, before addressing those concerns, I would like to provide you with a brief re-
view of the Conferences experience with cameras, which will demonstrate the time
and effort it has devoted to understnading this issue over the years. I must empha-
size at the threshold that today, as in the past, the federal courts are at all times
open to the public.
II. BACKGROUND ON CAMERAS IN THE FEDERAL COURTS

Whether to allow cameras in the courtroom is far from a novel question for the
federal judiciary. Electronic media coverage of criminal proceedings in federal courts
has been expressly prohibited under Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 53 since
the criminal rules were adopted in 1946. That rule states that [t]he taking of pho-
tographs in the courtroom during the progress of judicial proceedings or radio broad-
casting of judicial proceedings from the courtroom shall not be permitted by the
court.
In 1972, the Judicial Conference adopted a prohibition against broadcasting, tele-
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jacent thereto. . . . The prohibition applied to criminal and civil cases. The Con-
ference has, however, repeatedly studied and considered the issue since then.
In 1988, Chief Justice William Rehnquist appointed an Ad Hoc Committee on
Cameras in the Courtroom, which recommended that a three-year experiment be es-
tablished permitting camera coverage of certain proceedings in selected federal
courts. In 1990, the Judicial Conference adopted this recommendation, and author-
ized a three-year pilot program allowing electronic media coverage of civil pro-
ceedings in six district and two appellate courts, which commenced July 1, 1991.
The courts that volunteered to participate in the pilot project were the U.S. Courts
of Appeals for the Second and Ninth Circuits, and the U.S. District Courts for the
Southern District of Indiana, District of Massachusetts, Eastern District of Michi-
gan, Southern District of New York, Eastern District of Pennsylvania, and Western
District of New York.
The Federal Judicial Center (FJC) conducted a study of the pilot project and sub-
mitted its results to a committee of the Judicial Conference in September 1994.1 The
research project staff made a recommendation that the Conference authorize fed-
eral courts of appeals and district courts nationwide to provide camera access to
civil proceedings in their courtrooms. . . . It is important to note that the rec-
ommendations included in the report were reviewed within the FJC but not by its
Board.
The Conference disagreed with the conclusions drawn by the FJC staff and con-
cluded that the potentially intimidating effect of cameras on some witnesses and ju-
rors was cause for considerable concern. The paramount responsibility of a United
States judge is to uphold the Constitution, which guarantees citizens the right to
a fair and impartial trial. Taking into account this considerable responsibility placed
upon judges, the Conference concluded that it was not in the interest of justice to
permit cameras in federal courtrooms.
Two years later, at its March 1996 session, the Judicial Conference again consid-
ered the issue. At that session, the Conference voted to strongly urge each circuit
judicial council to adopt, pursuant to its rulemaking authority articulated in 28
U.S.C. 332(d)(1), an order reflecting the Conferences September 1994 decision not
to permit the taking of photographs or radio and television coverage of proceedings
in U.S. district courts. The Conference also voted to strongly urge circuit judicial
councils to abrogate any local rules that conflict with this decision, pursuant to 28
U.S.C. 2071(c)(1).
The Conference, however, made a distinction between camera coverage for appel-
late and district court proceedings. Because an appellate proceeding does not involve
witnesses and juries, the concerns of the Conference regarding the impact of camera
coverage on the litigation process were reduced. Therefore, the Conference adopted
a resolution stating that [e]ach court of appeals may decide for itself whether to
permit the taking of photographs and radio and television coverage of appellate ar-
guments, subject to any restrictions in statutes, national and local rules, and such
guidelines as the Conference may adopt.
The current policy, as published in the Guide to Judiciary Policies and Procedures
states:
A judge may authorize broadcasting, televising, recording, or taking photo-
graphs in the courtroom and in adjacent areas during investigative, natu-
ralization, or other ceremonial proceedings. A judge may authorize such ac-
tivities in the courtroom or adjacent areas during other proceedings, or re-
cesses between such proceedings, only: (a) for the presentation of evidence;
(b) for the perpetuation of the record of the proceedings; (c) for security pur-
poses; (d) for other purposes of judicial administration; or (e) in accordance
with pilot programs approved by the Judicial Conference of the United
States.
Presently, only two of the 13 appellate courts, the Second and Ninth Circuits,
have decided to permit camera coverage in appellate proceedings. This decision was
made by the judges of each court. As for cameras in district courts, most circuit
councils have either adopted resolutions prohibiting cameras in the district courts
or acknowledged that the district courts in that circuit already have such prohibi-
tion.
Finally, it may be helpful to describe the state rules regarding cameras in the
courtroom. While it is true that most states permit some use of cameras in their

1 In 1994, the Federal Judicial Center published a report entitled Electronic Media Coverage
of Federal Civil Proceedings: An Evaluation of the Pilot Program in Six District Courts and Two
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courts, such access by the media is not unlimited. The majority of states have im-
posed restrictions on the use of cameras in the court or have banned cameras alto-
gether in certain proceedings. Although it is somewhat difficult to obtain current in-
formation, it appears that approximately 20 states that permit cameras have restric-
tions of some kind written into their authorizing statutes, such as prohibiting cov-
erage of certain proceedings or witnesses, and/or requiring the consent of the par-
ties, victims of sex offenses, and witnesses. Eleven states do not allow coverage of
criminal trials. In eight states cameras are allowed only in appellate courts. Mis-
sissippi, South Dakota, and the District of Columbia prohibit cameras altogether.
Utah allows only still photography at civil trials, and Nebraska allows only audio
coverage in civil trials. In fact, only 16 states provide the presiding judge with the
type of broad discretion over the use of cameras contained in this legislation. It is
clear from the widely varying approaches to the use of cameras that the state courts
are far from being of one mind in the approach to, or on the propriety and extent
of, the use of cameras in the courtroom.
III. JUDICIAL CONFERENCE CONCERNS REGARDING S. 721

I would now like to discuss some of the specific concerns the Judicial Conference
has with S. 721, as well as the more general issue of media coverage in the court-
room.
A. Cameras Negatively Impact the Trial Process
Supporters of cameras in the courtroom assert that modern technology has made
cameras and microphones much less obvious, intrusive or disruptive, and that there-
fore the judiciary need not be concerned about their presence during proceedings.
That is not the issue. While covert coverage may reduce the bright lights and tangle
of wires that were made famous in the Simpson trial, it does nothing to reduce the
significant and measurable negative impact that camera coverage can have on the
trial participants themselves.
Proponents of cameras in the courtroom argue that media coverage would benefit
society because it would enable people to become more educated about the legal sys-
tem and particular trials. But even if this is true, and we take up this question later
in the testimony, increased public education cannot be allowed to interfere with the
judiciarys primary mission, which is to administer fair and impartial justice to indi-
vidual litigants in individual cases. While judges are accustomed to balancing con-
flicting interests, balancing the positive effects of media coverage against an exter-
nal factor such as the degree of impairment of the judicial process that camera cov-
erage would bring is not the kind of thing judges should balance. Rather, our mis-
sion is to administer the highest possible quality of justice to each and every liti-
gant. We cannot tolerate even a little bit of unfairness (based on media coverage),
notwithstanding that society as a whole might in some way benefit, for that would
be inconsistent with our mission.
The Conference maintains that camera coverage would indeed have a notably ad-
verse impact on court proceedings. This includes the impact the camera and its at-
tendant audience would have on the attorneys, jurors, witnesses, and judges. We be-
lieve, for example, that a witness telling facts to a jury will often act differently
when he or she knows that thousands of people are watching and listening to the
story. This change in a witness demeanor could have a profound impact on a jurys
ability to accurately assess the veracity of that witness. Media coverage could exac-
erbate any number of human emotions in a witness from bravado and over drama-
tization, to self-consciousness and under reaction. In fact, even according to the FJC
study (which is discussed in more detail later in this statement), 64 percent of the
participating judges reported that, at least to some extent, cameras make witnesses
more nervous. In addition, 46 percent of the judges believed that, at least to some
extent, cameras make witnesses less willing to appear in court, and 41 percent
found that, at least to some extent, cameras distract witnesses.
Such effects could severely compromise the ability of jurors to assess the veracity
of a witness and, in turn, could prevent the court from being able to ensure that
the trial is fair and impartial. Likewise, television cameras could have a profound
impact on the deliberations of a jury. The psychological pressures that jurors are
already under would be unnecessarily increased by the broader exposure resulting
from the broadcasting of a trial and could conceivably affect a jurors judgment to
the detriment of one of the parties.
B. S. 721 Inadequately Protects the Right to a Fair Trial
The primary goals of this legislation is to allow radio and television coverage of
federal court cases. While there are several provisions aimed at limiting coverage
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the Judicial Conference to develop advisory guidelines regarding media coverage;
and requiring courts to disguise the face and voice of a witness upon his or her re-
quest), the Conference is convinced that camera coverage could, in certain cases, so
indelibly affect dynamics of the trial process that it would impair citizens ability
to receive a fair trial.2
For example, Section 1(a) and (b) of the bill would allow the presiding judge of
an appellate or district court to decide whether to allow cameras in a particular pro-
ceeding before that court. If this legislation were to be enacted, we are confident
that all federal judges would use extreme care and judgment in making this deter-
mination. Nonetheless, federal judges are not clairvoyants. Even the most straight-
forward or run of the mill cases have unforeseen developments. Obviously a judge
never knows how a lawyer will proceed or how a witness or party will testify. And
these events can have a tremendous impact on the trial participants. Currently,
courts have recourse to instruct the jury to disregard certain testimony or, in ex-
treme situations, to declare a mistrial if the trial process is irreparably harmed. If
camera coverage is allowed, however, there is no opportunity to later rescind re-
marks heard by the larger television audience. This concern is of such importance
to the Conference that it opposes legislation that would give a judge discretion to
evaluate in advance whether television cameras should be permitted in particular
cases.
We also are concerned about the provision that would require courts to disguise
the face and voice of a witness upon his or her request. Anyone who has been in
court knows how defensive witnesses can be. Frequently they have a right to be.
Witnesses are summoned into court to be examined in public. Sometimes they are
embarrassed or even humiliated. Providing them the choice of whether to testify in
the open or blur their image and voice would be cold comfort given the fact that
their name and their testimony will be broadcast to the community. It would not
be in the interest of the administration of justice to unnecessarily increase the al-
ready existing pressures on witnesses.
These basic concerns regarding witnesses were eloquently described by Justice
Clark in Estes v. Texas, 381 U.S. 532:
The quality of the testimony in criminal trials will often be impaired. The
impact upon a witness of the knowledge that he is being reviewed by a vast
audience is simply incalculable. Some may be demoralized and frightened,
come cocky and given to overstatement; memories may falter, as with any-
one speaking publicly, and accuracy of statement may be severely under-
mined. Embarrassment may impede the search for the truth, as may a nat-
ural tendency toward over dramatization. Furthermore, inquisitive strang-
ers and cranks might approach witnesses on the street with jibes, advice
or demands for explanation of testimony. There is little wonder that the de-
fendant cannot prove the existence of such factors. Yet we all know from
experience that they exist. . . .
Estes, 381 U.S. at 547.
It is these concerns that cause the Judicial Conference of the United States to op-
pose enactment of S. 721.
C. Threat of Camera Coverage Could Be Used as a Trial Tactic
Cameras provide a very strong temptation for both attorneys and witnesses to try
their cases in the court of public opinion rather than in a court of law. Allowing
camera coverage would almost certainly become a potent negotiating tactic in pre-
trial settlement negotiations. For example, in a high-stakes case involving millions
of dollars, the sample threat that the president of a defendant corporation could be
forced to testify and be cross examined, for the edification of the general public,
might well be a real disincentive to the corporations exercising its right to a public
trial.
D. Cameras Can Create Security Concerns
Although the bill includes language allowing witnesses who testify to be dis-
guised, the bill does not address security concerns or make similar provision regard-
ing other participants in judicial proceedings. The presence of cameras in the court-
room is likely to heighten the level and the potential of threats to judges. The num-
ber of threats against judges has escalated over the years, and widespread media
exposure could exacerbate the problem. Additionally, all witnesses, furors, and

2 We recognize that the legislation would sunset the authority for district court judges to per-
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United States Marshals Service personnel may be put at risk because they would
no longer have a low public profile.
Also, national and international camera coverage of trials in federal courthouses,
would place these buildings, and all in them at greater risk from terrorists, who
tend to choose targets for destruction that will give their messages the widest ex-
posure. Such threats would require increased personnel and funding to adequately
protect participants in court proceedings.
E. Cameras Can Create Serious Privacy Concerns
There is a rising tide of concern among Americans regarding privacy rights and
the Internet. Numerous bills have been introduced in both the Congress and state
legislatures to protect the rights of individual citizens from the indiscriminate dis-
semination of personal information that once was, to use a phrase coined by the Su-
preme court, hidden by practical obscurity, 3 but now is available to anyone at any
time because of the advances of technology. The judiciary is studying this issue care-
fully with respect to court records, and Congress has before it a bipartisan proposal
to create a Privacy Study Commission to look at a number of issues, including pub-
lic records.
Broadcasting of trials presents many of the same concerns about privacy as does
the indiscriminate dissemination of information on the Internet that was once only
available at the courthouse. Witnesses and counsel frequently discuss very sensitive
information during the course of a trial. Often this information relates to individuals
who are not even parties to the case, but about whom personal information may be
revealed. Also, in many criminal and civil trials, which the media would most likely
be interested in televising, much of the evidence introduced may be of an extremely
private nature, revealing family relationships and personal facts, including medical
and financial information. This type of information provided in open court, is al-
ready available to the public through the media. Televising these matters sensa-
tionalizes these details for no apparent good reason.
Involvement in a federal case can have a deep and long-lasting impact on all of
its participants, most of whom have neither asked for nor sought publicity. In this
adversarial setting, reputations can be compromised and relationships can be dam-
aged. In fact, according to the FJC study on live courtroom media coverage, 56 per-
cent of the participating judges felt that electronic media coverage violates a
witnesss privacy. This is not to say that the Conference advocates closed trials; far
from it. Nevertheless, there is a common-sense distinction between a public trial in
a public courtroomtypically filled with individuals with a real interest in the
caseand its elevation to an event that allows and encourages thousands to become
involved intimately in a case that essentially concerns a small group of private peo-
ple or entities.
The issue of privacy rights is one that has not been adequately considered or ad-
dressed by those who would advocate the broadcasting of trials. This heightened
awareness of and concern for privacy rights is a relatively new and important devel-
opment that further supports the position of the Judicial Conference to prohibit the
use of cameras in the courtroom.
F. S. 721 Does Not Address the Complexities Associated With Camera Coverage
Media coverage of a trial would have a significant impact on that trial process.
There are major policy implications as well as many technical rules issues to be con-
sidered, none of which are addressed in the proposed legislation. For example, tele-
vising a trial makes certain court orders, such as those sequestering witnesses, more
difficult to enforce. In a typical criminal trial, most witnesses are sequestered at
some point. In addition, many related technical issues would have to be addressed,
including advance notice to the media and trial participants, limitations on coverage
and camera control, coverage of the jury box, and sound and light criteria.
Finally, S. 721 includes no funding authorization for implementation of its man-
dates. Regardless of whether funding is authorized, there is no guarantee that need-
ed funds would be appropriated. The cost associated with allowing cameras, how-
ever, could be significant. For example, costs would be incurred to retrofit court-
rooms to incorporate cameras while minimizing their actual presence to the trial
participants. Also, to ensure that a judges orders regarding coverage of the trial
were followed explicitly (e.g., not filming the jury, obscuring the image and voice of
certain witnesses, or blocking certain testimony), a court may need to purchase its
own equipment, as well as hire technicians to operate it. When considering that
these expenses may have to be incurred in each of the 94 districts, the potential

3 United States Department of Justice v. Reporters Committee for the Freedom of the Press,
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cost could be significant. An additional considerable cost would be creation of the
position of media coordinator or court administrative liaison to administer and over-
see an electronic media program on a day-to-day basis. According to the FJC report,
the functions of the media liaisons included receiving applications from the media
and forwarding them to presiding judges, coordinating logistical arrangements with
the media, and maintaining administrative records of media coverage.
G. There Is No Constitutional Right To Have Cameras in the Courtroom
Some have asserted that there is a constitutional right to bring cameras into
the courtroom and that the First Amendment requires that court proceedings be
open to this manner to the news media. The Judicial Conference responds to such
assertions by stating that today, as in the past, federal court proceedings are open
to the public; however, nothing in the First Amendment requires televised trials.
The seminal case in this issue is Estes v. Texas, 381 U.S. 532 (1965). In Estes,
the Supreme Court directly faced the question whether a defendant was deprived
of his right under the Fourteenth Amendment to due process by the televising and
broadcasting of his trial. The Court held that such broadcasting in that case violated
the defendants right to due process of law. At the same time, a majority of the
Courts members addressed the medias right to telecast as relevant to determining
whether due process required excluding cameras from the courtroom. Justice Clarks
plurality opinion and Justice Harlans concurrence indicated that the First Amend-
ment did not extend the right to the news media to televise from the courtroom.
Similarly, Chief Justice Warrens concurrence, joined by Justices Douglas and Gold-
berg, stated:
[n]or does the exclusion of television cameras from the courtroom in any
way impinge upon the freedoms of speech and the press. . . . So long as
the television industry, like the other communications media, is free to send
representatives to trial and to report on those trials to its viewers, there
is no abridgement of the freedom of press.
Estes, 381 U.S. at 58485 (Warren, C.J., concurring).
In the case of Westmoreland v. Columbia Broadcasting System, Inc., 752 F.2d 16
(2d Cir. 1984), the Second Circuit was called upon to consider whether a cable news
network had a right to televise a federal civil trial and whether the public had a
right to view that trial. In that case, both parties had consented to the presence of
television cameras in the courtroom under the close supervision of a willing court,
but a facially applicable court rule prohibited the presence of such cameras. The
Second Circuit denied the attempt to televise that trial, saying that no case has held
that the public has a right to televise trials. As stated by the court, [t]here is a
long leap . . . between a public right under the First Amendment to attend trials
and a public right under the First Amendment to see a given trial televised. It is
a leap that is not supported by history. Westmoreland, 752 F.2d at 23.
Similarly, in United States v. Edwards, 785 F.2d 1293 (5th Cir. 1986), the court
discussed whether the First Amendment encompasses a right to cameras in the
courtroom, stating: No case suggests that this right of access includes a right to
televise, record, or otherwise broadcast trials. To the contrary, the Supreme Court
has indicated that the First Amendment does not guarantee a positive right to tele-
vise or broadcast criminal trials. Edwards, 785 F.2d at 1295. The court went on
to explain that while television coverage may not always be constitutionally prohib-
ited, that is a far cry from suggesting that television coverage is ever constitu-
tionally mandated.
These cases forcefully make the point that, while all trials are public, there is no
constitutional right of media to broadcast federal district court or appellate court
proceedings.
H. The Teachings of the FJC Study
Proponents of S. 721 have indicated that the legislation is justified in part by the
FJC study referred to earlier. The Judicial Conference based, in part, its opposition
to cameras in the courtroom on the same study. Given this apparent inconsistency,
it may be useful to highlight several important findings and limitations of the study.
As I noted earlier in the statement, the recommendations included in the FJC re-
port, which were proposed by the research project staff, were reviewed within the
FJC but not by its Board.
First, the study only pertained to civil cases. This legislation, if enacted, would
allow camera coverage in both civil and criminal cases. As this Subcommittee is
acutely aware, the number of criminal cases in the federal courts continues to rise.
One could expect that most of the media requests for coverage would be in sensa-
tional criminal cases, where the problems for witnesses, including victims of crimes,
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Second, the studys conclusions ignore a large amount of significant negative sta-
tistical data. For example, the study reports on attorney ratings of electronic media
effects in proceedings in which they were involved. Among these negative statistics
were the following:
32 percent of the attorneys who responded felt that, at least to some extent, the
cameras distract witnesses;
40 percent felt that, at least to some extent, the cameras make witnesses more
nervous than they otherwise would be;
19 percent believed that, at least to some extent, the cameras distract jurors;
21 percent believed that, at least to some extent, the cameras cause attorneys
to be more theatrical in their presentations;
27 percent believed that, at least to some extent, the cameras have the effect
of distracting the attorneys; and
21 percent believed that, at least to some extent, the cameras disrupt the court-
room proceedings.
When trial judges were asked these same questions, the percentages of negative
responses were even higher:
46 percent believed that, at least to some extent, the cameras make witnesses
less willing to appear in court;
41 percent found that, at least to some extent, the cameras distract witnesses;
64 percent reported that, at least to some extent, the cameras make witnesses
more nervous than they otherwise would be;
17 percent responded that, at least to some extent, cameras prompt people who
see the coverage to try to influence juror-friends;
64 percent found that, at least to some extent, the cameras cause attorneys to
be more theatrical in their presentations;
9 percent reported that, at least to some extent, the cameras cause judges to
avoid unpopular decisions or positions; and
17 percent found that, at least to some extent, cameras disrupt courtroom pro-
ceedings.
These negative statistical responses from judges and attorneys involved in the
pilot project dominated the Judicial Conference debate and were highly influential
in the Conferences conclusion that the intimidating effect of cameras on witnesses
and jurors was cause for alarm. Since a United States judges paramount responsi-
bility is too seek to ensure that all citizens enjoy a fair and impartial trial, and cam-
eras may compromise that right, allowing cameras would not be in the interest of
justice. For these reasons, the Judicial Conference rejected the conclusions made by
the FJC study with respect to cameras in district courts.
For the appellate courts, an even larger percentage of judges who participated in
the study related negative responses:
47 percent of the appellate judges who responded found that, at least to some
extent, the cameras cause attorneys to be more theatrical in their presentations;
56 percent found that, at least to some extent, the cameras cause attorneys to
change the emphasis or content of their oral arguments;
34 percent reported that, at least to some extent, cameras cause judges to
change the emphasis or content of their questions at oral arguments; and
26 percent reported that, at least to some extent, the cameras disrupt courtroom
proceedings.
While the Conference did allow each United States court of appeals to determine
whether to permit the use of cameras in that circuit, these high negative responses
give us a very real indication as to why only two out of 13 courts of appeals have
allowed their proceedings to be televised. The two courts that do allow camera cov-
erage are the Second and Ninth Circuits, which voluntarily participated in the pilot
project.
Carefully read, the FJC study does not reach the firm conclusions for which it is
repeatedly cited. The negative responses described above undermine such a reading.
When considering legislation affecting cameras in the courtroom with such perma-
nent and long-range implications for the judicial process, the negative responses
should be fully considered. Certainly that is what the Conference focused on. In re-
ality the recommendations of the study reflect a balancing exercise which may seem
proper to social scientists but which is unacceptable to judges who cannot com-
promise the interests of the litigants, jurors, and witnesses, even for some amor-
phous public good. We turn to that issue now.
IV. THE PUTATIVE EDUCATIONAL BENEFIT OF CAMERAS IN THE COURTROOM

The proponents of cameras in the courtroom rely, of course, on the putative bene-
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ference supports that goal but does not agree that cameras in courtrooms will sig-
nificantly further it. The FJC study analyzed the results achieved during the pilot
project. The main approach to the issue lay in a content analysis of evening news
broadcast using footage obtained during the pilot program.4 The content analysis is
disquieting. The ninety stories analyzed presented a total of one hour and twenty-
five minutes of courtroom footage, with an average of fifty-six seconds of courtroom
footage per story. There is not too much educational content in 56 seconds. More-
over, most of the courtroom footage was voiced over by a reporters narration. On
average, reporters narrated 63 percent of all courtroom footage. Thus, the witnesses,
parties, and attorneys spoke on camera for just over one-third of the total air time.
In at least one-half of the cases photographed, information on the nature of the case
was provided by reporters or anchors without relying on the participants.
The FJC report also sought to determine specifically the extent to which the sto-
ries provided basic educational information about the legal system, examining
whether five pieces of information were conveyed to the viewer: (1) identification of
the case as a civil matter; (2) identification of the type or proceeding, such as a
hearing or trial; (3) statements about whether a jury was present; (4) descriptions
of the proceedings on a given day; and (5) discussion of the next step in the legal
process. The report concluded as follows:
The vast majority of stories (95 percent of non-first day stories) did not
identify the proceeding covered as a civil matter. In addition, 77 percent of
the stories failed to identify the type of proceeding involved. Almost three-
quarters (74 percent) of all stories did not provide information about wheth-
er a jury was present, including half of the stories that identified the cov-
ered proceedings as a trial.
Most stories (74 percent) did explain what transpired in court on a par-
ticular day, such as who testified or what evidence was presented. In mul-
tiple-day cases, 90 percent of the stories explained the daily proceedings,
compared to 63 percent in single-day stories. Seventy-six percent of the
daily proceedings in a story were explained by a combination of reporter
narration and participant discussion. Only 29 percent of stories mentioned
the next step in the litigation process in the case.
Thus, the stories did not provide a high level of detail about the legal
process in the cases covered. In addition, the analysis revealed that increas-
ing the proportion of courtroom footage used in a story did not significantly
increase the information given about the legal process.
In view of the foregoing, we suggest that the benefits of televised coverage of
courtroom proceedings are overrated (and are certainly far outweighed by the det-
riments described above). Television news coverage oftentimes appears simply to use
the courtroom for a backdrop or a visual image for the news story which, like many
of such stories on television, are delivered in short sound bites and not in depth.
The FJC study also reported that Court TV covered 28 cases under the program
and that C-SPAN covered 7 cases. However, it does not appear from records avail-
able to us that these proceedings were broadcast either in their entirety or continu-
ously. The paucity of cases selected by C-SPANseven in two yearssuggests that
the tediousness, technicality, and sheer length of trials are obstacles to comprehen-
sive media transmission, except in the sensational kinds of cases where the harms
described previously are the greatest.
V. A BETTER VEHICLE FOR PUBLIC EDUCATION

The federal judiciary acknowledges that more needs to be done to improve the
general understanding by the public of the federal judiciary and its processes. We
believe that this goal can best be achieved by active federal judicial involvement.
Federal courts have, in the past few years, begun to play an active role in this area
through community outreach programs. Under the aegis of these programs, thou-
sands of students, teachers, and other members of the public have come into federal
courts to learn more about the federal courts and to engage in dialogue with judges,
attorneys and court personnel. National initiatives to increase public understanding

4 This analysis was conducted by the Center for Media and Public Affairs under contract with
the FJC. Content analysis is the objective and systematic description of communicative material.
The content analysis performed for this study proceeded in two phases. First, a qualitative anal-
ysis was used to identify the symbols, stylistic devices, and narrative techniques shaping the
form and substance of the news stories; this allowed the researchers to develop analytic cat-
egories based on the actual content of the stories rather than imposing priori categories. Second,
the analytic categories that were developed and pre-tested formed the basis of a quantitative
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of the federal court system are underway in pilot programs in two circuits. In addi-
tion, over the last two years, the federal judiciary has conducted Law Day programs
for high school seniors, during which mock trials were broadcast to 2,000 students
at over 30 participating courthouses nationwide.
Additionally, plans are underway for federal courts to assist school personnel in
planning curriculums designed to instruct about the federal judiciary, culminating
in court visits (or visits by judges to schools). The positive results of these kinds of
programs are self-evident. We believe that it would be preferable to expend the
monies that would be necessary to support a cameras in the courtroom project on
these community outreach programs.
VI. CONCLUSION

When almost anyone in this country thinks of cameras in the courtroom today,
they inevitably think of the Simpson case. I sincerely doubt anyone believes that
the presence of cameras in that courtroom did not have an impact on the conduct
of the attorneys, witnesses, jurors, and judgealmost universally to the detriment
of the trial process. Admittedly, few cases are Simpson-like cases, but the inherent
effects of the presence of cameras in the courtroom are, in some respects, the same,
whether or not it is a high-publicity case. Furthermore, there is a legitimate concern
that if the federal courts were to allow camera coverage of cases that are not sensa-
tional, it would become increasingly difficult to limit coverage in the high-profile and
high-publicity cases where such limitation, almost all would agree, would be war-
ranted.
This is not a debate about whether judges would be discomfited with camera cov-
erage. Nor is it a debate whether the federal courts are afraid of public scrutiny.
They are not. Open hearings are a hallmark of the federal judiciary. It is also not
about increasing the educational opportunities for the public to learn about the fed-
eral courts or the litigation process. The judiciary strongly endorses educational out-
reach, which could better be achieved through increased and targeted community
outreach programs.
Rather, this is a decision about how individual Americanswhether they are
plaintiffs, defendants, witnesses, or jurorsare treated by the federal judicial proc-
ess. It is the fundamental duty of the federal judiciary to ensure that every citizen
receives his or her constitutionally guaranteed right to a fair trial. For the reasons
discussed in this statement, the Judicial Conference believes that the use of cam-
eras in the courtroom could seriously jeopardize that right. It is this concern that
causes the Judicial Conference of the United States to oppose enactment of S. 721.
As the Supreme Court stated in Estes, [w]e have always held that the atmosphere
essential to the preservation of a fair trialthe most fundamental of all freedoms
must be maintained at all costs. 381 U.S. at 540.
Mr. Chairman, thank you again for the opportunity to testify and present these
views. I will be pleased to answer any questions you or the other members of the
Subcommittee may have.
The CHAIRMAN. We will wait until the panel is done and then we
will ask questions.
Let me announce now, because I dont know who will be able to
come and not come, sometimes whether you have a large turn-out
or not much of a turn-out, we have questions in writing, sometimes
follow-up and sometimes a sole question. So we would like to have
those responses back in two weeks, if we could, after today.
Now, Judge Gertner.
STATEMENT OF HON. NANCY GERTNER
Judge GERTNER. Thank you, Senator Grassley. I am delighted to
be here and to speak in favor of the bill. I am in a somewhat
unique position because I am a Federal judge, but I am speaking
really on my own behalf.
I have to concede that opinions on my own court are divided, but
I strongly disagree with the position taken by the Judicial Con-
ference.
I come to this issue in really three capacities. As a former liti-
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for 22 years. I come as a sometime academic. I teach at Yale Law

School now, have taught at Harvard and BC. And I come as a
judge. I have been on the bench for 6 years.
As a litigator, I, in fact, was a participant in trials that had had
gavel-to-gavel coverage. Some were high-profile cases. The last
noteworthy case I tried involved Matthew Stuart, who was the
brother of Charles Stuart, who was accused of killing his pregnant
wife. But, in addition, I participated as a litigator in lesser-known
cases that Court TV covered gavel to gavel.
I want to address two broad areas. I want to address why I
speak in favor of the bill first, and then I want to address the con-
cerns which I think are real but which I think can be dealt with
and which I think we have an obligation to deal with.
Public proceedings in the 21st century means televised pro-
ceedings. The meaning of public today is television. In a study
published over 20 years ago, it was reported that 54 percent of the
American public indicated that they got their news only from tele-
vision. I believe that that figure is probably dramatically higher
today. In addition, the public is enormously interested in and con-
cerned about criminal justice issues and how the courts are run.
At the same time, information about the courtsand I quite
agree with Judge Becker on thisis notoriously distorted. Quoting
from another judge who described what happens when you see a
reporter in your courtroom, he says, Often, I know that the re-
porter had no idea what I was doing, what the judicial system was
about, what the language being used in the court meant, what
rights were being protected and advanced through the legal sys-
tem. Rarely do reportershe is talking about print reporters
have any expertise in the law. The vast majority come from jour-
nalism or liberal arts schools, not law schools. Covering cops and
courts is usually an entry-level position. Trained court reporters
are a dying breed and turnover is high.
Now, I am not suggesting that putting sunshine through tele-
vision will necessarily obviate this problem. Obviously, television
reporters can edit the proceedings, take snippets out of context,
sprinkle it with inappropriate commentary. But certainly gavel-to-
gavel coverage, in which the people have an opportunity to see the
actual words of a participant, is extraordinarily beneficial.
We have anecdotal evidence of that. Again, citing, as you did, to
the O.J. Simpson case, it was extraordinary to me as both a liti-
gator and a judge to listen to some of the comments during the O.J.
Simpson proceedings. There were people talking about how they
believed that O.J. Simpson was probably guilty, but not beyond a
reasonable doubt. It was a level of sophistication about that con-
cept that I frankly had not heard in the voir dire that I regularly
conduct of jurors.
In other words, having seen this gavel to gavel, they were basi-
cally invited into a debate which was a very sophisticated and very
important debate. There were lots of problems with the trial, but
in terms of public education I thought it was extraordinary.
I want to draw an analogy here. I had occasion recently to visit
a courtroom in one of the countries of the former Soviet bloc. The
proceedings were open, my host told me, and showed me a court-
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It was formally open, but practically speaking public access was

limited. We understand in this country that making something
public requires affirmative efforts on our part, in a sense meaning-
ful public accesscourtrooms big enough to include people who will
be interested in the proceedings, handicapped access, provision for
the media.
What we are talking about here today is, in the 21st century,
meaningful access to the courts means television. The point is a
simple one. When the majority of Americans get their information
through a screen, when they are extremely interested in the pro-
ceedings in our courtrooms, our obligation to make the proceedings
public has to include allowing proceedings to be televised.
Now, I dont deny that there are important concerns that the
participants will somehow play to the audience, play to the cam-
eras. I think that it is overstated. To the extent that this happens
at all, I believe it is more a function of the fact that many of the
televised cases have been high-profile cases in which the partici-
pants already know there is a larger audience and already playing
to the larger audience. It is also not entirely clear to me that this
is in some measure a bad thing. If the judge understands that he
or she is under scrutiny and is therefore more careful, it seems to
me that that is an advantage.
In many jurisdictions, in addition, cameras in the courtrooms are
novelties, and so to some degree playing to the larger audience is
a function of the novelty of the technique. It has to be of signifi-
cance here and Federal courts, it seems to me, have to pay atten-
tion to the fact that 47 State jurisdictions have cameras in the
courtroom, and that the studies done of those jurisdictions have
uniformly produced favorable results.
And if the grandstanding and inflammatory concerns that we
have here didnt occur in those State proceedings, they shouldnt
occur in the Federal proceedings. The State courts are dealing with
rape and murder and child abuse, and they have conducted this ex-
periment over the past several years without problems.
The second concern is the impact of televised trials on the public,
that this will somehow undermine the legitimacy of the pro-
ceedings. And the data in this regard is mixed. On the one hand,
the public learns an enormous amount about trials. On the other
hand, there is a concern which actually has not been expressed be-
fore here and was shared with me by Nina Totenberg, of NPR.
She says that sometimes the people at home will believe that
they have heard all the testimony, that they have seen the pro-
ceedings, that they have, in fact, heard all the testimony from top
to bottom when, in fact, they havent. You watch the proceeding on
television, you take a bathroom break, you answer the phone, you
make popcorn, you miss critical testimony. Yet, then when the out-
come is inconsistent with what the home viewer believes, the home
viewer may then be cynical.
I think these concerns can be addressed. Attorneys and judges
have to work with the media to make it clear to the public that
their experience of the trial sitting at home in their living room is
not the same as the participants. More real-time court coverage
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ordinary cases. The more sophisticated the public is, the easier this
will be.
In any event, I think that the crisis of legitimacy is greater if we,
the Federal courts, are the only courts and one of the few public
proceedings not to be televised. The strength of this bill, as others
have stated, is that it enables a judge to dovetail the television cov-
erage to the case at hand, to tailor the rules to the case at hand,
and it seems to me that that is a good thing.
I dont want to be Judge Judy. I dont want to wear a frilly collar,
harangue witnesses, make good television. I want to be the Honor-
able Judge Gertner, to preside with dignity over a courtroom where
my words are understandable, meaningful, and most significantly
accessible to the general public.
In fact, I found a wonderful quote by Justice Harlan in 1965 from
the Supreme Court which I think sums up my testimony. Justice
Harlan, in a case, in fact, reversing conviction because of the circus
atmosphere then created by television which was very intrusive in
a way that it is not today, said, The day may come when television
will have become so commonplace an affair in the daily life of the
average person as to dissipate all reasonable likelihood that its use
in courtrooms may disparage the judicial process. That day, Sen-
ators, is here.
Thank you.
[The prepared statement of Judge Gertner follows:]
PREPARED STATEMENT OF HON. NANCY GERTNER
I want to thank you for giving me this opportunity to speak before you. I am
strongly in favor of this bill.
Let me say at the outset, that I speak only for myself, and surely not for the other
judges of my Court. Opinion is divided on the issue of cameras in the courtroom
in my Court, as it is in other federal courts around the country.
I come to this issue both as a judge and as a former litigator. I was a trial lawyer
for twenty-two years, representing clients in both civil and criminal cases, in federal
and state courts. Because Massachusetts has had cameras in the courtroom for a
considerable period of time, I have had the privilege of participating in a number
of televised trials and other proceedings: A high-profile murder case involving a bat-
tered woman accused of killing her abusing spouse in Springfield, Massachusetts;
a less well-known murder case involving a young man accused of killing a neighbor
in Natick, Massachusetts, and my last case, the infamous case of Matthew Stuart,
the brother of Charles Stuart, accused of participating in an insurance scam.
Charles Stuart, as you may remember, was alleged to have killed his pregnant wife.
I have been a judge for 6 years. During that period of time I have presided over
a number of cases which attracted media attention and would have been televised
had that option been available.
I would like to address two broad areas today. First, public proceedings in the
twenty-first century necessarily mean televised proceedings. Television is the means
by which most people get their news. Moreover, at a time when polls suggest that
the public is woefully misinformed about the justice system, more information, and
relatively unmediated information, is better than less information.
Second, the concerns raised by the opponents of this bill are, to a degree, mis-
placed. In any event, the disadvantages do not compensate for the advantages.
There is concern that the participants in televised trials somehow skew their pres-
entation because of the gaze of the cameras. I believe that if such behavior occurs
at all, it is a function of two things: The fact that most of the televised trials are
high-profile cases, where the participants are already acutely aware of the publicity
surrounding them, and the fact that televised trials, particularly in federal courts,
are a relative novelty.
There is also concern that televised proceedings will somehow undermine the le-
gitimacy of our courts with the public. The data on this is mixed. On the one hand,
the public learns an enormous amount from actually seeing trial proceedings. Given
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fidence. On the other hand, televised proceedings do give the public an opportunity
to second guess the jury, believingmistakenlythat they have seen all of the trial,
that they are in the same position as the jurors, when they are not. When the out-
come is different than they expected, they become cynical. As I describe below, I be-
lieve that these concerns can be addressed by judges, by commentators, by edu-
cators, and that, in any event, they do not outweigh the advantages.
On the first point: Public proceedings in the twenty-first century necessarily mean
televised proceedings. In a study published over twenty years ago, it was reported
that some 54 percent of the American public indicated that they get their news from
the television.1 I can only assume that that number is substantially higher today.
Information about the courtsfrom whatever the sourceis notoriously distorted.
Former Judge Thomas Hodson, for example, described the situation as follows:
When I sat on the bench I always wondered about any reporter I saw in
my courtroom. Often I knew that the reporter had no idea what I was
doing, what the judicial system was about, what the language being used
in the courtroom meant, and what rights were being protected and ad-
vanced through the legal system. Rarely do reporters have any expertise in
the law; the vast majority come from journalism or liberal arts schools, no
law schools. Covering cops and courts is usually an entry level position
at newspapers and is subject to general assignment reporting at television
stations. Trained court reporters are a dying breed. Turnover is high.2
I am not suggesting that the televising court proceedings necessarily means accu-
rate, unedited, undistorted coverage. Obviously, television reporters can edit the
proceedings, take snippets out of context, sprinkle it with inappropriate com-
mentary. But when they offer the so-called gavel to gavel coverage, when people
have an opportunity to hear the actual words of the participants, I think the result
can only be beneficial.
Let me bring up a particularly controversial example, the O.J. Simpson trial. That
trial was credited with most of the backlash to cameras in the courtroom, and with
good reason. There was much to criticize, much to be concerned about in the way
the trial was conducted and covered. But one thing was clear: More people were
talking about legal issues in more sophisticated ways than I, for one, had ever
heard. There were discussions on television, and in the print media, as well as on
the streets as to whether Mr. Simpson was probably guilty, but the government
had not proved its case beyond a reasonable doubt. That distinctionthe dif-
ference between probably guilty and proof beyond a reasonable doubtis a so-
phisticated one. It was all the more telling given the fact that most polls suggest
that the majority of Americans harbor substantial misconceptions about the crimi-
nal justice systemwhat beyond a reasonable doubt means, who has the burden
of proof, etc.
Let me draw an analogy here. I recently had the opportunity to visit courts in
a country in the former Soviet Union. Trial proceedings were open, my hosts told
me, but the courtrooms were small and had only a single bench for the public. It
was formally open to everyone, but practically speaking, public access was extremely
limited.
In this country, we understand that to make something public requires affirma-
tive efforts on our partcourtrooms big enough to include the people who will be
interested in the proceedings, handicapped access, provision for the media, etc. In-
deed, we are trying to use our technology to enhance that access. The Federal
Courts are moving rapidly towards electronic case filing, enabling lawyers and the
public to get access to the written files through their computers. And the publics
interest in court proceedings is growing, not only for the more bizarre and scan-
dalous cases.
The point is a simple one: When the majority of Americans get their information
through a screen, our obligation to make proceedings public has to include allowing
those proceedings to be televised.
Now I want to address the very important concerns that have been raised by op-
ponents of this bill. First, there are concerns that the participants will somehow
play to the audience, distorting their presentations because of the insistent cam-
eras. To the extent that this happens at all, I believe it is more a function of the
fact that many of the televised cases have been high-profile cases. In such cases,
all of the participants are already acutely aware that there is a larger audience. The

1 Thomas Hodson, The Judge: Justice in Prime Time, 87,92 (Winter 1992).
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question is whether the presence of cameras materially changes that, and in my ex-
perience, it does not.
Moreover, in many jurisdictions, cameras in courtrooms are novelties. Whatever
impact derived from their presence would surely be lessened as time passes, as ev-
eryone becomes more and more used to their presence. This is especially the case
as the technology improves, as cameras become less and less physically intrusive in
the courtroom.
That has been the experience of the Massachusetts court system and court sys-
tems across the country. There are cameras in the courtrooms of forty-seven states.
Numerous studies have been conducted by these jurisdictions to test the impact of
the cameras on the proceedings. The results have been favorablethat televised
coverage does not impeded the fair administration of justice, does not compromise
the dignity of the court, and does not impair the orderly conduct of proceedings. In-
deed, the opposite is the casethat public education about the system is greatly en-
hanced.
Second, there are concerns about the impact of televised trials on the public, that
televising the proceedings in fact undermines their legitimacy with the public. I
would be remiss if I did not admit that this problem gives me pause as well. The
public watches a televised trial and believes that it is sitting in the shoes of the
juror when it plainly is not. The citizen will answer the phone, take a bathroom
break, make popcorn, and miss critical testimony. He or she is watching the pro-
ceeding in their home, on their couch, relaxed, and without the obligation to make
any decisions about the case. The jurors sit in a formal courtroom, the American
flag at the front, and they are sworn to be attentive, to be fair. They are instructed
about their awesome responsibilities; ideally, they have no other distractions. When
the jurys decision is different from the viewing publics decision, the public may
well become cynical about the system.
There is a wonderful moment in the movie, Twelve Angry Men that illustrates
the point. A juror is recounting the testimony of a witness. The witness reported
that he heard the sound of a body hitting the ground on the floor above him. He
then ran to the door, opened it, and saw the defendant running down the stairs.
The juror remembered that the witness, an elderly man, walked with a limp to the
witness stand. The juror concluded that the witness testimony about running to
the door was less than credible. The point was that there is a difference between
experiencing a trial within the four walls of a courtroom and experiencing it through
a television screen.
I think these concerns can be addressed. Attorneys and judges must work with
the media to make it clear to the public that their experience of trials is not the
same as the participants. More real time court coverage should be encouraged, not
just of the high-profile cases but of the ordinary cases.
I believe that there will be a greater crisis of legitimacy were this means of access
to our courts through television to be denied. More and more of our governmental
proceedings are being televised. The judicial system should not be excluded.
Finally, the strength of this bill is that it does not require cameras, insist on
them, encourage them. Rather it allows judges to exercise their discretion to permit
cameras in appropriate cases, subject to fair limitations.
Senator GRASSLEY. Thank you, Judge Gertner.
Judge Zobel, please proceed.

STATEMENT OF HON. HILLER B. ZOBEL

Judge ZOBEL. Well, here I am a State court judge having to mod-
erate, as it were, between disputing Federal judges. So if Mr.
Chairman and Senator Schumer will excuse me, I will not express
an opinion on the merits of S. 721. Let me share with you some
experience that I have had, namely 20 years of being in a court
system and trying cases before television.
My basic premise is that television cameras and still cameras
dont interfere with the proceedings any more than the television
cameras and the still cameras here interfere with the proceedings.
Witnesses, in my experience, tend to focus on being witnesses and
they very soon forget about the camera, if they think about it at
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Now, some people say, well, it affects the way lawyers handle the
case; lawyers are natural showboats. Well, putting aside the slan-
der on our profession, let me say that in my experience it is the
judge who decides who is going to be a showboat. And to the extent
that showboating begins, the judge has ample tools and presum-
ably an ample temperament for dealing with the showboats.
To the extent that the television camera makes the judge a show-
boat, well, my experience has been that that doesnt happen. And
if it did happen, it seems to me it is not a bad thing for the public
to realize that here is a showboating judge. That comes under the
heading of what Judge Gertner referred to as television making a
judge better.
To the extent that a judge is conscious of the audience and tries
to perform in such a way that the audience will approve of his con-
ductI am not talking about his decisions; that is something else
but approve of his conduct, that, I think, is not a bad thing, but
a good thing.
It seems to me that when you are talking about television in the
courtroom, you have to distinguish between what happens in the
courtroom and the use that the video information that is gathered
in the courtroom is put to outside of the courtroom. I have serious
questions about judges trying to control the use of the information
that is developed in the courtroom.
Newspapers cover a trial. Sometimes the reports are accurate,
sometimes they are fatuous, sometimes they are inflammatory. Tel-
evision, even without cameras in the court, covers court pro-
ceedings. They have artists who draw wonderful pictures and then
the reporter who was sitting in the courtroom talks about it.
Well, the newspaper reporter or the television reporter can be
quite, quite inaccurate, inflammatory, fatuous, and any other de-
rogatory adjective you care to apply. But that is not our concern.
Our concern is how things go in the courtroom, and my experience
has been that whatever use gets made of the material out of the
courtroom, a judge can control the court and can ensure that the
proceedings go the way they are supposed to go.
I have difficulty, I have to say, in understanding how a television
camera makes things unfair because the one argument that I have
encounteredand I must say that I havent encountered it as a
practical matter in Massachusetts because even judges who dont
much like trials by television agree that television doesnt particu-
larly cause any problems.
But the one potential difficulty is the jury, the idea that jurors
will watch the television, or that people who watch the television
will talk to the jury. Well, unless you are going to lock up every
juryand nobody is recommending thatthe way we deal with the
problem of outside juror influence is to tell the jurors very severely,
dont watch television, dont read about the case in the newspapers,
dont listen on the radio. And nowadays we have to say dont try
looking for it on the Internet. And when the jury comes back in the
morning, we ask the jury have they obeyed the court instructions.
Now, that seems to me to be about as far as you can go, and it
seems to me to be effective. Jurors take very seriously a judges in-
structions not to talk about the case, and there is a famous story
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the husband was not, and the husband said to the wife, what kind
of a day did you have in court today? And she said, I am not sup-
posed to talk about it.
We dont have problems in Massachusetts, though the judge has
authority to keep the cameras out, but he has to give reasons. The
presumption is that cameras will come in. The one significant case
where the cameras were kept outand it was only after an appel-
late judge approved to keeping them outwas a case in which the
defendant had given clear indication that if the cameras were in
the courtroom, he would use the presence of the TV as a platform
for espousing the views that had led him to commit the homicides
for which he was ultimately convicted. There, the court was shut,
but it was shut only because of this overpowering reason.
Thank you.
[The prepared statement of Judge Zobel follows:]
PREPARED STATEMENT OF HON. HILLER B. ZOBEL
SUMMARY

Cameras, photographic and video, cause no problems in courtrooms.

Judges can control how anyone, including lawyers, behaves in court.
Use of video images out-of-court raises different issues, but they are unrelated to
the question of how (and if) cameras affect trials.
Cameras in court do not affect the conduct of trials or the fairness of the results.
Massachusetts has since 1980 allowed cameras under a tightly-drawn but camera-
favoring rule, which mandates allowing coverage, whether or not the parties agree,
unless the judge can be persuaded that coverage will create either a substantial
likelihood of harm to any person, or some other serious harmful consequence.
Mr. Chairman, and Members of the Sub-Committee: As a member of a states ju-
diciary, I must necessarily ask you to excuse me from commenting on the merits
of proposed federal legislation. I am, however, honored and pleased to respond to
your request for my views on the general subject of cameras in the courtroom. In
doing so, however, I must emphasize that I speak only as an individual, not on be-
half of the Massachusetts court system, the Superior Court, or any other judge.
Courtroom cameras have long been a subject of my professional interest. To en-
sure now full disclosure of any possible bias, here what trial lawyers call a little
background.
For several years prior to joining the Superior Court in 1979, I was libel counsel
to WCVBTV Channel 5, Boston. In my Pleistocene youth, I worked one summer
as what in those gender-insensitive days we called a copy boy for the San Fran-
cisco Chronicle and was, in both college and law school, sports correspondent for the
New York Herald-Tribune.
Since becoming a judge, I have served as co-chair of the Massachusetts Bar Asso-
ciations Bench-Bar-News Committee and on the Fire Brigade, a group of judges
and newspeople aiming to head off potential court-media conflicts. I was also a
member of the court-appointed committee which drafted Massachusetts rule gov-
erning impoundment of court papers, and on a committee which reviewed privacy
and access rules concerning information about criminal convictions. I now chair the
Superior Courts Media Committee.
For five-and-a-half years during the 1980s, the Christian Science Monitor carried
my monthly column, Judging the law.
In 1998, the American Bar Association appointed me to the National Committee
of the Bar and Members of the Media, which meets thrice annually to exchange
views and address media-court problems. I serve on the Advisory Board of the Don-
ald W. Reynolds National Center for Courts and Media at the National Judicial Col-
lege/University of Nevada.
I have spoken about cameras in the courtroom and high-visibility trials at two na-
tional symposia sponsored by the College and the Reynolds Center; at one sponsored
by the First Amendment Center of Vanderbilt University; at one sponsored by the
National Conference of State Trial Judges; at one sponsored by the American Con-
ference of Trial Judges; and at one during the 1998 annual meeting of the Associ-
ated Press Managing Editors.
I was one of the advisors to the National Center for State Courts when the NCSC
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Finally, I have conducted trials ex camera as it were, with juries and without, in
the years since 1980, when Massachusetts began permitting the practice.
Briefly put, I do not believe that the courtroom presence of a cameravideo or
stillin any way interferes with or, indeed, affects to any degree the decorum of
the proceedings or the fairness of the outcome. In my experience, participants ignore
the equipment and its operator, concentrating instead on the job at hand.
When cameras first came in, many people feared that lawyers would inevitably
play to the video audience. That has not happened in any of my trials; discussion
with Massachusetts colleagues (even those who dislike the practice) suggests that
my experience is typical. The reason is simple: the lawyers and witnesses know that
at the first sign of inappropriate behavior, the judge, possessing ample conventional
means of maintaining order, would certainly do so.
We all must, however, emphasize the vital distinction between the presence of the
camera in court and the use that society makes of the images the camera produces.
Failure to recognize the difference has, I believe, caused much of the judicial antip-
athy toward the visual media.
Admittedly, an appetite for profit inspires the desire to televise court proceedings.
That is hardly a disqualifying defect.
It is also true that televising trials provides an inexhaustible pool of commercial
diversion. This fact is irrelevant to the present issue. Historically, Americans have
always regarded trialsparticularly criminal trials and scandalous domestic litiga-
tionas prime sources of voyeuristic recreation. Television merely expands the au-
dience. Photographic cameras do not change the existing equation; the public now
views photos instead of artists renditions.
Another criticism focuses on the distorted view of the judicial process which tele-
vising a trial produces. This is a valid comment, raising a serious issue. The nature
of television news broadcasting requires compressing a whole days courtroom activ-
ity into perhaps one minute. Moreover, because television is such a visual, drama-
oriented medium, what appears during the newscast may not be the most important
even in terms of the trial and its eventual outcome. Nonetheless, the viewer begins
to feel like a true spectator and to form judgments which, though resting on partial
information at best, encourage an inappropriate certitude. Thus someone who has
seen only a fraction of the evidence, nonetheless tends unconsciously to assume
judgmental competence equal to the jurys.
Continuous gavel-to-gavel coverage does not solve the problem. First of all, very
few people actually watch the entire proceedings. Boredom, hunger, the exigencies
of daily life, telephone calls, and bodily demands all conspire to interrupt. Second,
even to someone viewing everything, the screen only shows what the camera sees;
that, as anyone who has spent time in a courtroom knows, omits a great deal, be-
sides implicating the often considerable difference between a witness on-screen
image and appearance in-the-flesh.
Third, a trial analogizes naturally to a sports event, with its shift of advantage
and disadvantage, its focus on winning, its ready susceptibility to prediction, anal-
ysis, and second-guessing. This surface similarly, combined with televisions need
never to allow silence or a blank screen, stimulates a kind of play-by-play approach,
larded with endless dollops of color commentary, the whole display thereby turn-
ing courtroom coverage into a parody of sports broadcasting.
This can lead to downright silliness. One one occasion, during a high-visibility
trial, the hostess at a party I was attending turned on the television set just in time
to hear three distinguished Massachusetts lawyers solemnly forecasting the next
days events. Heres what Judge Zobel is certainly contemplating, said one. Judge
Zobel surely is considering thus-and-so, said another. Judge Zobel has got to have
this on his mind, said the third. Meanwhile, the real Judge Zobel, I happen to
know, was sitting on the sofa, not thinking any of the above.
All this would be harmless enough, except that over time, television tends to im-
pose on the public a skewed view of a complicated subject: the administration of jus-
tice. Throw in the idiosyncratic behavior of Judge Judy and her imitators, and you
convey to the community the idea that rendering justice is nothing more than an
esoteric game umpired by zanies in black robes.
I have discussed this aspect of cameras in the court precisely to show that the
camera per se has very little to do with how the public uses the images the camera
transmits. More to the point, even though judges mayas I dodeplore and even
condemn the foolishness, vapidity, and error that television thrives on, keeping cam-
eras out of courts is not the way to bring the public to a more intelligent apprecia-
tion of what the administration of justice means and needs.
Even if by excluding the camera we could ensure enlightenment (which, of course,
raises the paradox of seeking to educate by denying information), I have serious
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provers. Even assuming their competence to do so, it seems to me that judges have
enough else to do.
Judges are public servants, performing public functions under a long-standing tra-
dition of openness and visibility. This necessarily requires us to experience public
heat. To say that we will not expose ourselves to wider viewing leads to a kind of
elitism that even a non-elected judiciary (which, I am happy to say, includes my
states judges) needs to avoid.
In Massachusetts, the authority for cameras in court is entirely judge-made, a
rule promulgated by the Supreme Judicial Court, which, acting as a body, oversees
our entire judicial system. The rule, the text of which is appended to this statement,
has been in place since 1980. It resulted from the intense work of a consultative
committee, chaired by a Superior Court judge, but including other jurists and rep-
resentatives of the media and the Bar.
The rule does not seek to regulate the use of cameras outside the courthouse, in-
deed, outside the courtroom. Public streets and public spaces are, in Massachusetts,
not subject to judicial control vis a vis photography and televising. To the extent
that these impinge on such activities as jury viewing of an out-of-court locus, the
court retains common-law authority to prevent interference. That power extends to
keeping the camera at an appropriate distance. We have developed an advisory pro-
tocol for judges guidance, a copy of which is appended to this statement.
In the courtroom, Massachusetts judges must allow cameras operated by the
news media for news gathering, absent certain narrowly-defined conditions.
The first is the substantial likelihood of (a) harm to any person; or (b) other seri-
ous harmful consequence.
Determination of the risk and assessment of both the likelihood and the harm
rests exclusively with the trial judge. Even unanimity among the parties cannot pre-
clude coverage.
Harm has been interpreted to mean not the mere possibility that the coverage
will improperly influence the jurors, but rather a serious specified risk of significant
injury (not necessarily physical injury) to an individual, or significant impairment
of defendants right to a fair trial.
The trial judge must make explicit findings justifying any abridgement of cov-
erage, and cannot limit cameras more strictly than is necessary to eliminate the an-
ticipated harm.
In the most prominent case denying coverage, the trail judge concluded that were
cameras present, the defendant, accused of murdering employees of two abortion
clinics, would use the proceedings as a forum to air his views on abortion and other
issues.
The judge can also preclude televising certain pre-trial matters where coverage
might affect the poll of potential jurors. These include motions to suppress evidence;
motions to dismiss; probable cause hearings; evidentiary voir dire; and jury selection
voir dire. As to the latter, although Massachusetts does not permit lawyer voir dire,
the judge in certain situations must question each prospective juror individually.
This issue arises quite frequently in high-visibility cases.
Whenever either a party or one of the media raises a question about coverage,
the rule establishes a mechanism for hearing, notice, and determination, using the
Associated Press Bureau in Boston as the clearing house for notice.
The rule strictly governs the mechanics of coverage: no more than one photo-
graphic camera and one video camera, both mechanically silent. The judge is not
required to arbitrate any intra-media dispute as to pool representation; if the orga-
nizations cannot agree, all cameras stay out. To my knowledge, this has not yet hap-
pened. In any event, the judge is expressly forbidden to give anyone an exclusive
right to cover the proceedings.
Although the rule does not say so, the equipment must only use available light,
without flash bulbs or floodlights. Camera operators may not move unless the court
is in recess. They may not photograph or televise closeups of bench conferences, con-
ferences between counsel, or counsel-client conferences. Frontal and close-up photog-
raphy of the jury is likewise normally forbidden.
In summary, one may safely say that during the 20 years of its existence, the
Massachusetts ruleas improved from time to timehas worked well. It has, as in-
terpreted, led to a balancing of interests and to a modus vivendi that has served
the public well, protecting the essential values of free press and fair trial.
MASSACHUSETTS SUPREME JUDICIAL COURT

Rule 1:19 Cameras in the courts

A judge shall permit broadcasting, televising, electronic recording, or taking pho-
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news gathering purposes and dissemination of information to the public, subject,
however, to the following limitations:
(a) A judge may limit or temporarily suspend such news media coverage, if it ap-
pears that such coverage will create a substantial likelihood of harm to any person
or other serious harmful consequence.
(b) A judge should not permit broadcasting, televising, electronic recording, or tak-
ing photographs of hearings of motions to suppress or to dismiss or of probable
cause or voir dire hearings.
(c) During the conduct of a jury trial, a judge should not permit recording or close-
up photographing or televising of bench conferences, conferences between counsel,
or conferences between counsel and client. Frontal and close-up photography of the
jury panel should not usually be permitted.
(d) A judge should require that all equipment is of a type and positioned and oper-
ated in a manner which does not detract from the dignity and decorum of the pro-
ceeding. Only one stationary, mechanically silent, video or motion picture camera,
and, in addition, one silent still camera should be permitted in the courtroom at one
time. The equipment and its operator usually should be in place and remain so as
long as the court is in session, and movement should be kept to a minimum, par-
ticularly, in jury trials.
(e) A judge should require reasonable advance notice from the news media of their
request to be present to broadcast, to televise, to record electronically, or to take
photographs at a particular session. In the absence of such notice, the judge may
refuse to admit them.
(f) A judge may permit, when authorized by rules of court, the use of electronic
or photographic means for the presentation of evidence, for the perpetuation of a
record, for other purposes of judicial administration, or for the preparation of mate-
rials for educational purposes.
(g) A judge should not make an exclusive arrangement with any person or organi-
zation for news media coverage of proceedings in the courtroom.
(h)Any party seeking to prevent any of the coverage which is the subject of this
Rule may move the court for an appropriate order, but shall first deliver written
or electronic notice of the motion to the Bureau Chief or Newspaper Editor or
Broadcast Editor of the Associated Press, Boston, as seasonably as the matter per-
mits. The judge will not hear the motion unless the movant has certified compliance
with this paragraph; but compliance shall relieve the movant and the court of any
need to postpone hearing the motion and acting on it, unless the judge, as a matter
of discretion, continues the hearing.
(i) A judge entertaining a request from any news medium pursuant to paragraph
(e) may defer acting on it until the medium making the request has seasonably noti-
fied the parties and the Bureau Chief or Newspaper Editor or Broadcast Editor of
the Associated Press, Boston.
(j) A judge hearing any motion under this rule may reasonably limit the number
of counsel arguing on behalf of the several interested media.
Proposed guidelines for media relations during a view
1. If you have a trial in which you anticipate a jury view which video cameras
or still photographers may want to cover, conduct a brief conference beforehand (in
the courtroom, if possible; at the scene, if necessary) with the media representatives
who are covering the in-court proceedings.
2. Bear in mind that a judge cannot forbid photography in a public place or a pub-
lic street.
3. Request that no reporter, camera operator, or photographer come within 20 feet
of any participant in the view, including judge, counsel, court reporter, parties, and
jurors.
4. Request that no jurors face be the subject of any picture, still or video.
5. Request that reporters, operators, and photographers communicate only with
court officers, not directly with any participant in the view.
6. Instruct court officers to relay to the judge immediately every communication
from any media person.
7. Consider informing jurors beforehand (a) that media reporters, video, and cam-
eras may be present during the view; and (b) that you have requested that they take
no recognizable pictures of the jurors.
Senator GRASSLEY. Well, thank you very much. I am going to
start with Judges Gertner and Zobel.
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STATEMENT OF HON. CHARLES E. SCHUMER, A U.S. SENATOR
FROM THE STATE OF NEW YORK
Senator SCHUMER. OK, well, thank you. I am not Judge Gertner,
but I want to thank the panel for being here and my good friend,
Chuck Grassley, for having this hearing. I told the chairman that
we had just come back from a family vacation, part of which was
to drive through rural Iowa, something I have always wanted to do.
And one end of the State to the other, they lauded Chuck Grassley,
and deservedly so.
So I thank you, Mr. Chairman, for having the hearing. The issue
of cameras in the courtroom is something that you and I both care
about. I hope this hearing will ultimately lead to imminent and ef-
fective legislative action.
The principle that has always guided me in this issue and what
led me to get involved in it is very simple. I believe that public ex-
posure of the processes of government is virtually almost always in
the publics best interest. As Judge Brandeis presciently wrote in
1933, Sunlight is said to be the best disinfectant. Electric light is
the most efficient policeman. It has always been my view that
when the people of this Nation watch their Government in action,
they come to better understand how our governing institutions
work and equip themselves to hold those institutions accountable
for their deeds. If there are flaws in our governing institutions, in-
cluding our courts, we hide them only at our own peril.
Justice Brandeis not only extolled the benefits of shining light on
Government. He also wrote that the States should be prized as lab-
oratories for policy experiments. In the case of cameras in the
courtrooms, I think it is safe to say that the States have success-
fully experimented with them and found them to work. Indeed, 48
States now have some form of audio-visual coverage in their court-
rooms, and at least 37 televise trials.
Studies and surveys conducted in many of those States have con-
firmed that electronic media coverage of trials has enhanced public
understanding of and confidence in the court system, without inter-
fering with the administration of justice. In my home State of New
York, the State courts experimented for 10 years with televising
trials, during which time four reports were issued, all recom-
mending that the televising of trials be made permanent.
The most recent report by a legislatively-appointed commission
concluded, after extensive study, research and surveys of all par-
ticipants, that, among other things, one, the presence of cameras
did not interfere with the administration of justice. Two, cameras
in the courtroom enhance public scrutiny of the judicial system.
Three, television coverage enables the public to learn more about
the workings of the justice system. Four, television coverage has
drawn the publics attention to major societal problems like domes-
tic violence and child abuse. And, five, openness and public access
to trials afforded by television works as a safeguard, not as a
threat to defendants rights. In fact, the commissions research re-
vealed not a single appellate decision overturning a judgment, ver-
dict, or conviction based on the presence of cameras at trial.
Finally, six, although television coverage at times could show the
judicial system in an unfavorable light, it is not a detriment but
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The most recent New York experience with cameras in the court-
room was at the recent trial of four police officers in the shooting
death of Amadou Diallo. The trial had been moved from the Bronx
to Albany, but the judge wisely in the case permitted live TV cov-
erage, which allowed anyone who was interested to watch the en-
tirety of the trial, whether they lived in the Bronx or anywhere
else.
The televising of that trial, which I can tell you aroused strong
passions in my city and my State, was not disruptive. The lawyers
acted professionally and the rights of the defendants were not cur-
tailed. Witnesses and jurors were not intimidated by the single
camera in the courtroom. In my opinion, the public was done a
great service by the judge who allowed them to watch the court-
room processes for themselves.
In fact, the benefits, especially the educational benefits, remain
because anyone can go on the Internet at any time and watch a
portion of the proceeding and really see for themselves what the
evidence was and how the lawyers and judges handled their respec-
tive roles.
Judge Teresis opinion in the Diallo case was a brave one. He
opened up his court for all of the public to see a proceeding that
was going to be heavily scrutinized and, regardless of the outcome,
criticized. But that is just the point. By letting the public in, he ul-
timately bolstered the integrity of the system itself.
I had hoped to bring Judge Teresi here as a witness, but the
scheduling didnt allow it. But here is what he wrote in his opinion,
The quest for justice in any case must be accomplished under the
eye of the public. The denial of access to the vast majority will ac-
complish nothing but more divisiveness, while the broadcast of the
trial will further the interests of justice, enhance public under-
standing of the judicial system, and maintain a high level of public
confidence in the judiciary.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Senator GRASSLEY. Thank you.
Senator Specter, we have had the first panel. You can have your
opening statement now.
STATEMENT OF HON. ARLEN SPECTER, A U.S. SENATOR FROM
THE STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA
Senator SPECTER. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I regret
not being able to be here sooner. We had the Ford-Firestone hear-
ings this morning and that has put everybody back quite a ways
with a session which lasted for more than 3 hours.
I wanted to come down and greet the witnesses and to make a
comment or two on this very important subject, and especially to
welcome Chief Judge Becker of the Court of Appeals for the Third
Circuit, and Judge Gertner and Judge Zobel as well. Judge Becker
and I went to college together, although he was only a freshman
when I was a senior. Then we went to law school together and we
have been friends ever since, and I have watched his very illus-
trious career. This subcommittee is fortunate to have this expert
panel.
I saw Judge Beckers statement this morning and I weighed it.
I know his position on this important subject, and I wanted to come

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down and say a few words about the panel, about Chief Judge
Becker, and also about the subject, if I may.
Senator GRASSLEY. You may right now.
Senator SPECTER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
I know the sensitivity of the Federal courts about television, and
I have some idea of the impact of television on the way lawyers
I guess perform is the right word, and perhaps even the way
judges perform, and maybe even witnesses, too.
I believe that greater public knowledge of our court system is
really very, very important, and I know from talking to Judge
Becker that the judiciary sees it differently and his testimony is to
the contrary. It is a matter of having enough television exposure
so that there is really an idea as to what goes on in a trial court-
room. That is not easy because it is a long process and it is hard
to get a sound bite and to understand what is happening.
Similarly, it is hard to get a sound bite of what happens in the
Senate. If you just tune into the Senate, it is hard to find out what
happens in a very brief period of time. But I have found that there
are a lot of people who watch CSPAN I and II, including some of
the parts which are not exactly scintillating. Judge Becker com-
ments about some of the court proceedings being on at 3:00 a.m.,
and I was surprised to hear that because I thought I had that time
reserved for myself, for the insomniacs at 3:00 a.m.
I am hopeful that your legislation will move forward, Senator
Grassley, Mr. Chairman. I have been considering for some time leg-
islation which I am in the final stages of preparing. And it may
sound a little abrupt on the surface, but I believe that U.S. Su-
preme Court proceedings ought to be televised.
I believe there ought to be public understanding, not a greater
public understanding, just a public understanding, because there is
virtually none at the present time as to what the Supreme Court
of the United States does. It has been a wonderful institution; it
has earned its spot as the number one branch of Government.
When the Framers drafted the Constitution, it came under Article
III. Congress came in under Article I. I dont even know that Con-
gress would be Article III if the framers rewrote the Constitution.
After Marbury, the Supreme Court has the final word, and with-
out going through the long line of decisions, the Supreme Court de-
cides all the important questions, all the cutting-edge questions.
They dont come to the Congress, they come to the Court. When life
begins, pro-life, pro-choice, death penalty, assisted suicide, you
name itthe Supreme Court decides these matters.
I am amazed from time to time. The Washington Post Sunday
section lauded the Court as not having an agenda. Now, that is not
the U.S. Supreme Court I know. You take what has happened on
the tax cases, on States rights cases, patents and trademarks, and
what has happened with the Court invalidating a great many con-
gressional decisions on the ground that we havent thought them
through, havent given sufficient consideration. I hadnt understood
that was a basis for declaring acts of Congress unconstitutional.
I understand when it is at variance with the Constitution or you
can pick out the Due Process Clause and construe it in a way, or
the Equal Protection Clause or some of the other flexible clauses,
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given sufficient consideration. I think it is true that we havent

given consideration much of the time, but I dont think that is up
to the Court to say. Who is there to say that the Court has given
adequate consideration?
So I have been relatively brief, Mr. Chairman. You may not be-
lieve that, Senator Schumer and my colleagues, but we are all used
to one another. Senator Grassley and I have sat together on this
committee for 20 years, and Senator Schumer is only a recent addi-
tion to the committee but was in the House for many, many years.
This business about television is very, very important, and public
education and public understanding is very important. I hope we
can find a way to persuade the circuit courts and the district courts
to open up the television line. What I am talking about on legisla-
tion is the Congress taking the bull by the horns and legislating
the opening up of the Supreme Court, and that involves some very
delicate questions as to our authority to do that.
I believe we do, under speedy trial rules or under our ability to
create and expand the courtsif the Congress chose to do so, more
than nine members or less than nine membersor setting jurisdic-
tion of the Court. McCardle says we can even deal with constitu-
tional issues. I dont think that is right, but Congress has very sub-
stantial authority. Whatever we do, the Supreme Court will have
the last word, but I think we ought to tell the American people as
best we can what goes on in our courts.
Congratulations to this very distinguished panel, and thank you,
Mr. Chairman, for your courtesy.
Senator SCHUMER. I was just going to thank Judge Specter for
his erudition. [Laughter.]
Senator GRASSLEY. Our bill does apply to the Supreme Court, but
it does not mandate that the Supreme Court be open to cameras,
as it allows it in all instances up to the judge.
Senator SPECTER. Well, I think there is a sound basis for what
you have done here, Senator Grassley, Mr. Chairman, and I think
that is a start. It may be the way to begin, but we will have some
lively discussions and some lively debates. I commend you for your
legislative activities, and Senator Schumer, and for moving ahead
here.
I will have to ask to be excused because I dont have to tell you
how complicated the schedules are, but I did want to come and say
hello.
Thank you.
Senator GRASSLEY. Thank you very much, Senator Specter.
We will ask questions now of this panel.
Judges Gertner and Zobel, last year Judge Harvey Schlesinger
testified before a House subcommittee on this matter. He said,
The Judicial Conference, after experimenting with and studying
the effects of the presence of cameras during Federal civil pro-
ceedings, determined that the potentially intimidating effect of
cameras on some witnesses and jurors was cause for considerable
concern. Because the paramount responsibility of a U.S. judge is to
guarantee citizens a right to a fair and impartial trial, the Con-
ference concluded that it was not in the interests of justice to per-
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Now, in the meantime we have changed the legislation to allow

that faces and voices of witnesses be obscured, which would ad-
dress most of Judge Schlesingers concerns. I have seen the Federal
Judicial Centers report on the pilot done in the early 1990s. The
report, while pointing out some concerns, is favorable toward cam-
eras in the courtrooms.
The Judicial Conference, according to Judge Becker, believes that
our bill would have adverse effects on court proceedings. He has
stated, We believe that a witness telling facts to a jury will often
act differently when he or she knows thousands of people are
watching.
So, Judge Gertner and Zobel, how do you respond to the argu-
ments that S. 721 wont protect a defendants right to a fair trial?
We have had 20 years of experience in State courts, which handle
over 90 percent of the criminal cases, and it appears to me that
these fears have proven to be unfounded. So I would like to have
each of you respond.
Judge GERTNER. I think that the anecdotal data that the cases
that I indicated I had participated in as a lawyerI was a criminal
defense lawyer and understood that having cameras in the court-
room could have a potential impact, but never feltand was, I
think, as zealous a guardian of my clients rights as there was
never felt that that was a basis for seeking to have them excluded.
I also think that, as I said, the meaningful data isit is extraor-
dinary that we should ignore the Federal Judicial Conference and
we would ignore the data from the State courts, where fairness has
not been a problem, where the data for the most part suggests that
the proceedings have been dignified and that the judges have per-
ceived them to be fair. And this is now the State courts across the
country.
I think that the data from the Judicial Conference pilot program
describes some discomfort of some judges in some of the findings
that you indicated. But the overall balance of the report was in
favor of the continuation of the experiment, notwithstanding that.
So the data from the State courts, anecdotal data in my own life
as well, and the bottom linenot the reservations expressed, but
the bottom line of the pilot program in the Federal courts suggests
that these concerns were not material.
You have to deal with witness intimidation as a judge, with the
cameras or without, potential threats, witnesses reservations. And
we deal with it, and I dont think that it is a material difference
between having televised proceedings versus not.
Senator GRASSLEY. Judge Zobel.
Judge ZOBEL. I cant comment on the virtues, or the reverse, of
S. 721. I will say that in the State courts, we do not tend to get
many gang-type, mafia-type, organized crime-type cases. We do,
however, get a great many rape cases, and the need for the reason-
able privacy of the witness, I think, is dealt with by the mechanical
means available for blanking out the witness face.
With respect to the identity of the witnesses, that is revealed in
court without a camera. Reporters just have to take the names
down. To the extent that we are talking about revealing witnesses
identities, I cant speak for any other court system, but in Massa-
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the jury; that is, any pictures that would identify the jurors
facially. So I dont think, based on my experience, that this is a
problem that is disqualifying.
Judge BECKER. Can I respond?
Senator GRASSLEY. Yes, you can, and then I wanted to ask you
a question.
Judge BECKER. I will try to do this quickly, both on the State
level and then on the Federal level. First of all, there have been
a lot of very broad statements made here about the State experi-
ence, the suggestion that this is enormously widespread in State
courts. The FJC study, which incidentally was not approved by the
Conferencethe recommendation was a staff recommendation that
was never approved and which is at odds with the specific findings.
They studied the State court experience.
We have heard a lot about this generally favorable State court
experience. First of all, if you study the State court pattern, it is
an extreme patchwork quilt. Many of the States dont permit it at
all. Most of the States permit it in very limited circumstances. It
may be vetoed by a witness, it may be vetoed by an attorney. It
is not nearly as widespread as has been intimated here.
Second, we have heard a lot of general approval, but we have not
encountered a study of a State court experience with the specificity
of this FJC study. Now, the FJC study was responded by a bunch
of Federal judges and lawyers, a pretty high-class group, I submit,
and they made specific findings about nervousness of witnesses in
significant numbers, 30, 40 percent; that to some extent witnesses
were nervous, were less willing to testify; that cameras distracted
the witnesses, the attorneys. The juries were disruptive; extraor-
dinary theatricality; importuning by the exit interviews of their
friends saying, hey, I saw you in this case; affecting judges, affect-
ing witness privacy.
I submit to you, Mr. Chairman and Senator Schumer, that these
are very significant factors, and that this FJC study, notwith-
standing a generally positive recommendation by staff which was
not accepted by the boardit was never submitted to the board; I
was a member of the FJC board at the timeand which was re-
jected by the Conference, belies the general representation as to
the experience.
And, of course, as I have also said, the game is not worth the
candle. We cannot compromise. We are not talking about a con-
stitutional issue, a violation that rises to a constitutional level. We
cannot countenance any degree of unfairness if we are to be faith-
ful to the mission. And the suggestion by the other panel members
that the good outweighs the bad is not an allowable balance, I sub-
mit.
Senator GRASSLEY. I am going to quote from page 7 of the 1994
FJC evaluation of these pilot projects. On page 7, summary of find-
ings: Results from State court evaluations of the effects of elec-
tronic media on jurors and witnesses indicate that most partici-
pants believe electronic media presence has minimal or no detri-
mental effects on jurors or witnesses.
I am going to go to a question now for you, Judge Becker. You
brought up the issue of security, potential harm by terrorists or
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kind of a sky is falling argument. We have had State courts han-

dling some very high-profile cases. Members of Congress have
taken high-profile positions against terrorists. Obviously, we have
to balance competing goals here, just like we do in hundreds of
other areas. We could close the courts or we could close the Con-
gress to be perfectly safe, but we are not going to do that.
So if a presiding judge really believes that cameras would be a
security risk in a particular caseand when we are talking about
this bill and the Federal courts, we can decide not to have the cam-
eras. Our bill gives total discretion to the presiding judge, so the
judge is in charge of the courtroom.
I want you to comment.
Judge BECKER. Terrorism is not something you can predict, Sen-
ator Grassley, but the fact of the fact is that in recent years ter-
rorism has been directed against Federal facilities and in some re-
spects Federal courts. The Federal courts, unlike the State courts,
are the emblem of national sovereignty that disaffected people
want to act against. It is not necessarily in a specific or individual
case. It is just the general symbol that is out there.
Now, I am not going to suggest to you that I can predict that it
will happen in any given instance, but it is a matter of very great
concern. It is a matter of concern not only to the Federal judiciary,
but the United States Marshals Service, and I just think it is a fac-
tor to weigh in the balance.
Senator GRASSLEY. I have one more question of this panel and
then I will turn to Senator Schumer.
Judge Zobel, some argue that cameras sensationalize cases and
that attorneys play to the cameras, which affects the case. You
have had experience with lawyers trying to control the courts. I
think you have indicated that it is really up to the judge.
Could you relate the experiences you have had preventing law-
yers from controlling the courts?
Judge ZOBEL. Well, one technique is to look over the tops of my
glasses and not say anything. Another is to make it clear, not ex-
plicitly but just by general approach to the business of the trial,
that we are all here to focus on the trial.
I have to say that I have only had one experience where the law-
yer kicked the traces, and after he overlooked a couple of less
strong hints, I called him the side bar and I told him in non-pro-
fane but unmistakable language that this wasnt going to go on
anymore. And for the rest of the trial, everything was peachy.
Judges are paid to keep order in courts. Sometimes they use gav-
els, sometimes they raise their voices. The late Judge Julian of the
Federal court in Boston had a wonderful technique of just standing
up and spreading his arms. And when you saw that figure with the
black robes extended, it looked like Batman come into the court-
room and it kept everybody right on the line.
Senator GRASSLEY. I now turn to Senator Schumer.
Senator SCHUMER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I appreciate
everybodys testimony and effort here.
I guess the first question I have for Judge Becker is the bill that
the House passed recently requires the consent of all parties before
cameras would be allowed. I guess this is a two-part question. Why
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wouldnt a provision that required the consent of all parties before

cameras were allowed in the courtroom deal with the concerns that
you brought up?
Judge BECKER. Well, leaving aside the very practical problem,
Senator Schumer, that I think you are rarely going to get the con-
sent of all parties, there are two further considerations. First of all,
you never know what is going to happen in a trial. Second, I think
you either have a policy or you dont have a policy, and it strikes
me that leaving it to the discretion of individual judges, you are
going to have a lot of inconsistent results and a lot of tension and
all the rest of it.
But the bottom line, the baseline point is that even if everybody
consents, if these findings that are in the FJC report, which I think
are highly credible, are true, you have an impairment of the proc-
ess. And what do you get for it? What you get for it is 56 seconds,
tops, on the nightly news, one-third of which is trial footage. The
game is not worth the candle.
What you are getting for it if you are doing a balancing, which
my statement suggests is not allowable because we cant allow any
unfairness to creep into a trialwhat you are getting for it is 56
seconds, tops, really 33 seconds on the nightly news. The courtroom
is just a backdrop, and if you have the cable operators, what you
get is little smidgens interspersed with commentary and commer-
cials.
Indeed, I spoke to one of the Ninth Circuit judges whose argu-
ments were televised and I said, tell me what kind of feedback do
you get. He said, well, I had a friend who was up at 3:00 a.m. He
said it was a wonderful education for insomniacs. But I mean
gavel-to-gavel coverage is extraordinarily rare. What you get out of
this is a lot of nothing. What you get out of it is 56 seconds on the
nightly news, and from time to time you get portions of the trial
interspersed between commercials and commentary, and the game
is not worth the candle.
Senator SCHUMER. Just a follow-up. You heard my comments
about the Diallo case in Albany. You didnt get 56 seconds on the
nightly news. You got that, but in addition you got the trial fully
available on cable for people. In addition, what you really got was
that everyone had the opportunity to see what was going on in the
courtroom. Here, you had a venue change that many people were
extremely upset with, and it punctured, or at least allayed the fear
that people had and did a great service.
So I think when you are saying 56 seconds of nightly news, that
may occur sometimes. But when it is all open to the public, when
it is all open to cameras, that is not always going to be the case.
I mean, I cant tell you the amount of good that Judge Teresi did
by allowing cameras in the court there, but it was significant. I
could paint for you a parade of horribles that might have occurred
had he not been allowed to do that, and it was again solely in his
discretion.
Judge BECKER. I did not see that and I am not familiar with it,
but the 56 seconds I talk about was the result of a study of all of
the media takes and out-takes and media use of 3 years of a pilot
project. Now, of course, it depends on the case.
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Judge BECKER. That is right. The case that you describe

Senator SCHUMER. That is like saying every American makes
$39,311.
Judge BECKER. No, but the case that you describe is a rarity. The
TV nightly news does not allow itselfI mean, just analyzing, it
isnt going to allow itself more than 56 seconds. So if you eliminate
that, which is maybe 90 percent of it, the question then is the cable
operators.
Now, once in a blue moon you are going to get a trial like the
Diallo trial. The Diallo trial might have been a good example. The
Simpson trial was not. The judges in the Eastern District of Penn-
sylvania who participated in this experiment tell me that in terms
of the selection of cases, they wanted the sexy cases. They didnt
want the cases where maybe there was more public policy.
An example was a products liability case where the question was
whether a major automobile manufacturer wanted to save 8 cents
on an item and somebody was killed. That was not the subject.
There is going to be a rare case like that, but I submit to you, Sen-
ator, that more often than not you may have a Simpson effect in
that kind of a case.
And even though that case seemed to go down OK, the only thing
I can tell you is these studies by a bunch of very responsible Fed-
eral judges, every one of whom was confirmed by the Senate Judici-
ary Committee so they must have been pretty goodthis study
shows these kinds of effect, and I read them before, on theatricality
and disruption. We are dealing with a policy decision, and as a pol-
icy matter we think we ought not to go that route.
Senator GRASSLEY. Judge Zobel.
Judge ZOBEL. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Senator Schumer.
Could I ask if the Federal experiment included criminal cases, or
was it just civil cases?
Judge BECKER. Just civil, not criminal.
Judge ZOBEL. Well, that probably accounts for the 56 seconds, I
would think. There are very few civil cases that draw much atten-
tion.
Judge GERTNER. But also if I might add
Senator SCHUMER. Go ahead, Judge.
Judge GERTNER. If it is the case that cameras in the courtroom
has become so ordinary that for the most part it is not covered very
much on the evening news, then the impacts that are projected
from having cameras in the courtroom are not likely to be there.
If it is not likely that every nuance of the trial is going to be cov-
ered in the evening, then I cant see that over time the concerns
about theatricality will, in fact, occur.
Now, to allow then for the discretion for the major caseand I
completely agree with you, Senator Schumer, that the Diallo case
was a perfect example because there was a concern about the legit-
imacy of the proceedings. And unless the public saw the pro-
ceedings as far and legitimate, they would not have accepted the
results. So it seems to me to allow even the exception is what this
bill is about.
Senator SCHUMER. Thank you, Judge Gertner.
I think, in all due respect, Judge Becker, you are on a little bit
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the fairness of the trial is the only value that we have to look at
here even if some good might occur. We can debate how much.
I mean, I am looking here at the summary of your statement,
and I apologize to all of the witnesses for missing the initial state-
ments, which I managed to read. Let me ask you, you could make
the same argument against public trials. Here they are. Among
those reasons supporting the Conferences position are the fol-
lowing: the intimidating effect of cameras on litigants, witnesses,
and jurors. I would argue to you that there would be less of an in-
timidating effect if the trial were in a star court chamber, if it were
totally closed in some way.
Allowing cameras could interfere with a citizens right to a fair
trial. You are certainly going to get that argument made when you
make a trial public.
Permitting camera coverage would almost certainly become a ne-
gotiating tactic. If we were to make it discretionary to keep the
trial open, that could be a negotiating tactic.
Theatrics. I would argue to you I have met, as you have, many
lawyers who are playing to the public whether there is a camera
in the courtroom or not. Close the trial, dont make it public, and
you will stop more theatrics.
I mean, my point is somewhat rhetorical, but I still think valid,
and I would like you to address this idea that you cant balance.
That seems to me to be a fundamentally flawed argument that
would lead us to close the courtrooms to any public openness.
Leave out print reporters, leave out any non-relevant witnesses,
non-testifying witnesses.
Could you address that for a minute?
Judge BECKER. Certainly. I respectfully and strongly disagree.
First of all, leaving aside that the Constitution requires a public
trial
Senator SCHUMER. I am sure the Founding Fathers balanced the
benefits of having it open to the liabilities of having it open.
Judge BECKER. But they came up with what is in our funda-
mental document. I submit, Senator, that there is a huge difference
between the effectiveness in a courtroom with 5 people, 10 people,
50 people in the courtroom, and being viewed by tens or hundreds
of thousands or perhaps even millions of people.
Judges are in the business of line-drawing. That, to me, is an
easy line to draw. We have not had problemsI presided over
trials for 11 yearswith a public trial. But it is exponentially
quantitatively, qualitatively different when you have got television
and you have got tens, hundreds of thousands, millions of
people
Senator SCHUMER. Would you make the same argument about
still photographers or even a print reporter being read the next day
by tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people seeing
your picture?
Judge BECKER. A page of history, as Holmes said, is worth a vol-
ume of logic. We have got books full of history and have had no
problems with public trials. Television we have had other problems
with.
In terms of your question about the balance, I submit to you that
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trial for all concerned. Now, if you were to say to me that the im-
pact of television was minuscule, if we are talking about something
which is a scintilla, if it is minuscule at that point there is an old
maxim, de minimis non corat lex.
But when you start to get some substantiality into it, and our
study reflects that there is considerable substantiality, then I sub-
mit that a balance is not appropriate. And we are talkingand this
was one of my baseline premises in my oral statementwe are not
talking here necessarily about the degree of unfairness that will re-
sult in a constitutional deprivation. That is easy.
But there are lower levels; there are levels of unfairness that
dont amount to a constitutional deprivation. And if they are in any
degree significant, then I submit that as a policy matterI am not
here as an individual adjudicator, but as a policy matter that ought
not to be balanced about the supposed public good. I have sug-
gested that in the overwhelming majority of the cases, it is illusory.
Senator SCHUMER. Do you generally apply this rule that there
should not be balance, or just in this particular instance? I find it
a curious notion.
Judge BECKER. Senator, judges balance all the time.
Senator SCHUMER. Of course.
Judge BECKER. That is what we do, but we know when to bal-
ance, and there are times when you dont balance. The judging
business is a line-drawing business. To me, the line is relatively
clear. But you are a lawyer and a graduate of a distinguished law
school as well, so you know how to balance, and so does the chair-
man.
Senator SCHUMER. You know what they say, judge. The best
thing about going to Harvard is when somebody else tells you they
went to Harvard, you are not impressed. Because they took you,
they could take anybody.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Senator GRASSLEY. We thank you very much for your expert tes-
timony, and the only admonition I have is that you may get some
questions in writing. Thank you very much.
Judge GERTNER. Thank you.
Judge BECKER. Thank you. It was a great pleasure to be here.
I appreciate your courtesy.
Senator GRASSLEY. It is our job to be courteous. I am not sure
we always are, but we ought to be.
Now, would everybody on the second panel come because you can
be seated, then, while I am introducing you?
Our first witness is Lynn D. Wardle, Professor of Law, J. Reuben
Clark Law School, Brigham Young University, Provo, UT. A grad-
uate of Duke Law, Professor Wardle has done extensive research
on media coverage of courtroom proceedings, beginning when he
served as a law clerk for Judge John Sirica, and that was at the
U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia here, and that was
May 1974 through May 1975. That was during the Watergate in-
vestigation. He also served part-time as judge pro tem, Eighth Cir-
cuit Court, Provo, UT, hearing civil cases.
Next to testify is a constituent of mine, Dave Busiek. Mr. Busiek
is News Director for KCCITV, a CBS affiliate, Des Moines, IA; a
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has served on the board of directors now for the past 8 years. Mr.
Busiek has also been a television reporter and anchor.
Finally, Mr. Ronald Goldfarb. He will speak before this sub-
committee because he is a lawyer and author on this subject. He
lives here in Washington, DC. He was a prosecutor and defense
counsel in the U.S. Air Force; a member of the Organized Crime
Section, U.S. Department of Justice, during the Kennedy adminis-
tration. Mr. Goldfarb is the author of 10 books, including one enti-
tled TV or Not TV: Television, Justice, and the Courts.
Now, we are going to go with Professor Wardle, my constituent,
and then counselor Goldfarb.
Would you proceed, professor?
PANEL CONSISTING OF LYNN D. WARDLE, PROFESSOR OF
LAW, J. REUBEN CLARK LAW SCHOOL, BRIGHAM YOUNG
UNIVERSITY, PROVO, UT, DAVID BUSIEK, NEWS DIRECTOR,
KCCI TELEVISION, DES MOINES, IA, ON BEHALF OF THE
RADIO-TELEVISION NEWS DIRECTORS ASSOCIATION; AND
RONALD GOLDFARB, WASHINGTON, DC

STATEMENT OF LYNN D. WARDLE

Mr. WARDLE. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and distinguished mem-
bers of this subcommittee, Senator Schumer. My name is Lynn
Wardle. I am a Professor of Law at the J. Reuben Clark Law
School, Brigham Young University, and I am very honored to ap-
pear before this subcommittee and present a statement in support
of the bill. My modest contributions are based on my own experi-
ence and some research that I have done in the area.
There are four reasons why I believe that Senate bill 721 should
be enacted. It is good for the courts. It is good for the public. It pre-
serves appropriate judicial discretion, and the experience of 48
State courts with cameras in the courtroom has shown that it is
doable and that it is worth doing.
First, it is good for the courts. A fundamental principle of the
U.S. judicial system is that our courts are open, public, and acces-
sible. Federal judges are given significant authority in our system
of Government, and it has been very important that they not be-
come isolated and remote from the people.
As Justice Harlan once wrote, It is desirable that the trial of
causes should take place under the public eye, that every citizen
should be able to satisfy himself with his own eyes as to the mode
in which a public duty is performed.
Public access to Federal courts, including access by camera, pre-
serves and protects the integrity of the Federal judicial system.
Public viewing of trials aids the fact-finding process, fosters the ap-
pearance of fairness, and heightens public respect for the judicial
process.
As the Supreme Court noted in Richmond Newspapers, public ac-
cess is, an indispensable attribute of an Anglo-American trial, be-
cause it gives, assurance that the proceedings are conducted fairly
to all concerned, and it discourages perjury, misconduct of partici-
pants, and decisions based on secret, bias, or prejudice. Cameras
make the real justice system visible to the citizens who support
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Second, it is good for the public that Federal court proceedings

are open, accessible, and generally visible. It is good because civic
education results. Most Americans, particularly young Americans,
want to see the courts in action. They want to know exactly how
does the court system work. Our citizens should be able to person-
ally observe the Federal judicial process. That kind of experience
makes citizens more informed, more realistic, gives them a more
accurate understanding of the judicial process, reduces anxieties,
and makes them less fearful about being participants in the judi-
cial process.
Some persons who have a right to be in the courtroom but cannot
be there for very good reasons, such as health or finances or other
commitments such as caring for aged parents or childrenfor ex-
ample, victims of crimes and their familiesoften desire to be
there, but cannot be physically present. Cameras allow them to be
present through the camera lens.
Public awareness of judicial behavior is one of the assumptions
on which the primary constitutional safeguardnamely, Article III
good behavior standard for retention of Federal judgesis based.
It is important that we be able to observe the behavior of Federal
judges. That is the assumption on which that safeguard is predi-
cated.
Moreover, when the public is excluded, suspicions are aroused.
As the Supreme Court noted in Richmond Newspapers, Where the
trial has been concealed from public view, an unexpected outcome
can cause a reaction that the system at best has failed or, at worst,
has been corrupted.
I think Senator Schumers example of the Diallo case is a prime
exhibit of that reality. There was an unexpected outcome, and if
that proceeding had been concealed from the public, there may
have been concerns that, well, this is unfair or a corrupt process.
But because the citizens had the opportunity to see and realized it
was a very difficult issue and difficult decision, the reaction was
much more muted, much more moderate.
Third, Senate bill 721 focuses on the fundamental policy issue by
preserving judicial discretion. It only addresses the question,
should a judge have the discretion to permit the use of cameras in
the courtroom. It doesnt try to micromanage the resolution of all
of the questions relating to the use of cameras in the courtroom,
but leaves the resolution of those issues to the persons in the best
position to answer them, namely judges.
Now, that is a very astute point, I believe, because there are sig-
nificant questions and very powerful concerns that have been ex-
pressed by people about cameras in the courtroom. Those concerns
do not go to whether cameras should be in the courtroom, but rath-
er how they should be in there, when, under what circumstances,
under what restrictions.
Now, Congress might propose some guidelines. It might say, here
is what we think. But, instead, Senate bill 721 says we dont want
to micromanage the courts; let the judges make those decisions
themselves, let the Judicial Conference propose guidelines. I think
that is much more appropriate than having the legislature make
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Two hundred years ago, a Federal court in an urban area open

to newspaper reporters and people in the market would be fully ac-
cessible to the public. But today times have changed. We depend
heavily on technology for access, and I am not sure that it can be
accurately stated that a downtown urban court is fully accessible
and fully public if we ban cameras as a blanket rule.
The third point I have already mentioned, and the fourth is the
experience of 48 courts with cameras in the courtroom cant be ig-
nored. According to the National Center for State Courts, 48 States
allow cameras in the courtrooms, with 35 allowing them in crimi-
nal cases. The point is we have experience, we know it can be done.
Yes, there are concerns, but those concerns can be addressed by ca-
pable judges exercising wise judicial discretion.
For these reasons, and for the other reasons expressed in my
statement that I ask to be included in the record, I favor the pas-
sage of S. bill 721.
Thank you.
[The prepared statement of Mr. Wardle follows:]
PREPARED STATEMENT OF LYNN D. WARDLE
Mr. Chairman, and distinguished members of this Subcommittee on Administra-
tive Oversight and the Courts of the Senate Judiciary Committee:
My name is Lynn D. Wardle. I am a professor of law at the J. Reuben Clark Law
School, Brigham Young University.1 I am honored to appear before this sub-
committee to present a statement in support of S. 721.
The issue of cameras in the courtrooms of American courts has been extensively
debated in recent years. For example, my computer search of American law review
found over 125 articles, notes, and comments published on the subject in the past
10 years alone.2 My modest contribution to this debate is based on my experience
and research, which is not unique but which may be helpful. I have worked as a

1 I graduated from Brigham Young University in 1971 (B.A.) and from Duke University School
of Law in 1974 (J.D.). I was on the duke Law Review (Director, Writing Competition) and also
on the Duke Law School Moot Court Board of Advocates. I served as a law clerk to the Hon.
John J. Sirica of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia from May 1974 through
August 1975 (during the Watergate coverup case and some related cases), practiced civil litiga-
tion with the law firm of Streich, Lang, Weeks, Cardon & French (now Quarles & Brady Streich
Lang) in Phoenix, Arizona from 19751978 (representing corporate and individual clients in a
variety of commercial cases), and also worked in the U.S. Department of Justice, Civil Division,
Federal Programs Branch in Washington, D.C. (Professor-in-Residence, 198990) (representing
federal agencies sued in federal courts). For nearly three years I served as a Judge pro-tem,
Eighth Circuit Court in Provo, Utah hearing small claims civil cases. Since joining the faculty
of the Brigham Young University School of Law in 1978 I have taken over 100 pro bono cases,
and written nearly a dozen amicus curiae briefs, and taught as a Visiting Professor or Visiting
Researcher in law schools in Scotland (1985), Japan (1988), Washington D.C. (199091), and
Australia (2000). I taught Civil Procedure for a dozen years, and teach Conflicts of Laws and
a Seminar on the Origins of the Constitution among other subjects.
2 I searched the JLR database in Westlaw for publications since 1990 containing the word
cameras within 10 words of courtroom and came up with 126 publications (Aug. 29, 2000).
With the help of my research assistant, Catherine DeGaston, I have reviewed a number of these,
and relied on several, including: Duane A. Bosworth II, Alonzo B. Wickers IV, Jeffry H. Blum
and Anke E. Steinecke, Report from the 5th Annual Conference, Communications Lawyer, Sum-
mer 2000, at 28; Michael J. Grygiel, Memorandum of Law of Regional News Network in Support
of Its Motion for Limited Intervention and Application to Provide Audio-Visual Coverage of Trial
Proceedings, 63 Albany L. Rev. 1003 (2000); Stacy R. Horth-Neubert, Note, In the Hot Box and
on the Tube: Witnesses Interests in Televised Trials, 66 Fordham L. Rev. 165 (1997); Kathleen
M. Krygier, The Thirteenth Juror: Electronic Medias Struggle to enter State and Federal Court-
rooms, 3 CommLaw Conspectus 71 (1994); Laurie L. Levenson, Cases of the Century, 33 Loyola
L.A. L. Rev. 585 (2000); James M. Linton, Camera Access to Courtrooms: Canadian, U.S., and
Australian Experiences, 8 Can. J. Communica. 1 (1993); Francis T. Murphy, Televised Criminal
Trials May Deny Defendant A Fair Trial, N.Y. State Bar J., Mar/Apr 2000, at 56; Leonard E.
Noisette, New York State Committee to Review Audiovisual Coverage of Court Proceedings: Mi-
nority Report (April 1, 1997); Jennifer L. Reichert, New York Judge Rules Ban on Cameras in
Court Unconstitutional, Trial, May 2000, at 98; Judith Resnik, Trial as Error, Jurisdiction as
Injury: Transforming the Meaning of Article III, 113 Harv. L. Rev. 924 (2000); Ralph E. Roberts,
Jr., Comment, An Empirical and Normative Analysis of the Impact of Televised Courtroom Pro-
ceedings, 51 S.M.U.L. Rev. 621 (1998).

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lawyer for the federal government, and done legal work for state governments; I
have represented large corporations in private practice and have done extensive pro
bono work representing private individuals; I served as law clerk to a federal judge
during a major criminal trial, and served as a judge pro tem in a state court hearing
minor civil disputes; I have been a law professor for more than 22 years; my interest
in the subject dates back 25 years to my days as a law clerk for Judge Sirica who
decided a seminal case about media access to evidence in federal court.3
There are four reasons why I believe that S. 721 should be enacted to permit fed-
eral judges to decide case-by-case whether, when, and under what conditions to per-
mit cameras in their courtrooms. It is good for the courts; it is good for the public;
it prudently addresses only the basic policy issue while preserving judicial discre-
tion; and the experience of 48 state courts with cameras in courtrooms has shown
that it is do-able and worth doing.
First, it is good for the courts. A fundamental principle of the United States judi-
cial system is that our courts are public, open, and accessible. Judges are given sig-
nificant authority in our system of government, and it is important that they not
become isolated and remote from the people whose legal will (legislative and con-
stitutional) they are appointed to uphold. Because federal judges are not directly ac-
countable to the people, as many state judges are, by having to stand for election
(either in contested judicial elections or for retention votes), because they usually
work in the refined atmosphere of some intimidating (even daunting) courtrooms,
surrounded by strict security, because most of their daily interaction is with a high-
ly-paid, rather elite lawyers, because much of their work consists of legal research,
analysis, and writing which is a lonely work, and because modern society provides
few opportunities for ordinary citizens who are not parties or witnesses in federal
suits to observe federal judges at work, it is not unfair to say that federal judges
work in relative isolation. Yet they exercise, at least in their own courtrooms, and
at least in the short run, awesome legal power and are asked to resolve legal dis-
putes of tremendous importance (some involving billions of dollars, the fortunes and
futures of individuals, families, companies, and industries, and fundamental issues
of government policy). It is best for that power to be exercised openly, and for as
much of the judicial process to occur in full public view whenever reasonably pos-
sible without undermining the administration of justice. As Justice Brandeis once
stated, Sunshine is the best disinfectant.4 It is good for the courts and for the coun-
try to eliminate defective information about the courts, the law and the cases they
decide.5 Public access to federal courts including access by camera preserves and
protects the integrity of the federal judicial system.
As Justice Harlan once wrote, It is desirable that the trial of causes should take
place under the public eye . . . that every citizen should be able to satisfy himself
with his own eyes as to the mode in which a public duty is performed. 6 The public
has First Amendment interests that are independent of the First Amendment in-
terests of speakers (in this instance, the parties to the trial) 7 Public viewing of
trials aids accurate fact-finding and furthers the public purposes of trials.8 Allowing
cameras in the courtroom enhances the quality and safeguards the integrity of the
fact-finding process. 9 fosters an appearance of fairness, 10 and heightens public

3 United States v. Mitchell, In Re N.B.C., 397 F. Supp. 186 (D.D.C. 1976), revd 551 F.2d 1252
(D.C. Cir. 1976), revd sub nom Nixon v. Warner Communications, Inc., 435 U.S. 589 (1978).
4 Louis Brandeis, Other Peoples Money, And How the Bankers Use It 92 (1914), cited in Ste-
ven P. Croley & William F. Funk, The Federal Advisory Committee Act and Good Government,
14 Yale J. on Reg. 451, n. 110 (1997).
5 Alexander Hamilton wrote in The Federalist Papers about all the ill consequences of defec-
tive information relating to knowledge of the courts, the law, and facts of particular cases in
criticizing proposals for legislative control or revision of the decisions of federal courts. The Fed-
eralist Papers, No. 81 (Hamilton), at 483484 (New American Library, Clinton Rossiter ed.,
1961). The same dangers might be said to arise from any uninformed body exercising influence
over the federal courts.
6 Cowley v. Pulsifer, 137 Mass. 392, 294 (1998) (Holmes, J.), quoted in Craig v. Harney, 331
U.S. 367, 374 (1947); Gannett Co. v. DePasquale, 443 U.S. 368, 429 n. 10 (1979) (Blackmun,
J., concurring & dissenting).
7 Westmoreland v. Columbia Broadcasting System, Inc., 752 F.2d 16, 1920 (2d Cir. 1984), cit-
ing First National Bank v. Bellotti, 435 U.S. 765, 777 (1978); Bates v. State Bar, 433 U.S. 350,
364 (1977); Young v. American Mini Theatres, Inc., 427 U.S. 50, 76 (1976) (Powell, J. concur-
ring); Virginia State Board of Pharmacy v. Virginia Citizens Consumer Council, Inc., 425 U.S.
748, 756 (1976) (First Amendment protection . . . is to the communication, to its source and
to its recipients both).
8 Richmond Newspapers, Inc. v. Virginia, 448 U.S. 555, 59697 (1980) (Brennan, J., concur-
ring). See also Krygier, supra at 83.
9 Globe Newspaper, 457 U.S. at 606.
10 Id.

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respect for the judicial process, 11 while permitting the public to participate in and
serve as a check upon the judicial processan essential component in our structure
of self government. 12 In Richmond Newspapers, Inc. v. Virginia, the Supreme
Court noted that court openness to public access is an indispensable attribute of
an Anglo-American trial because it gives assurance that the proceedings were con-
ducted fairly to all concerned, and it discourage[s] perjury, the misconduct of partici-
pants, and decisions based on secret bias or partiality. 13 Cameras made the real
justice system visible.14 The Supreme Court noted 53 years ago, A trial is a public
event. What transpires in the court room is public property. 15 Thus, S. 721 may
protect and preserve the integrity of the federal courts by making them more open,
more public, more visible, and more accessible to more Americans.
Second, it is also good for the public that federal court proceedings are open, ac-
cessible, and generally visible. It is good because of the civic education that results
when citizens witness the federal courts in action. I believe that most Americans,
particularly young Americans, want to see the courts in action, want to know more
about how the courts really work, how lawyers present facts, how judges apply the
law, what the role of witnesses, jurors and parties are in trials. They also want ac-
curate information about what really happens, not merely the dramatized and sen-
sationalized entertainments prepared and disseminated for media-profit. Citizens of
this great Republic should be able to personally experience as ordinary observers
the federal judicial process, to see the federal courts in action.16 That kind of experi-
ence make citizens more informed, more realistic, and gives them a more accurate
understanding of the judicial process (which also is good for the nation and for the
courts). That kind of experiential information also reduces anxieties and makes
them less anxious, less fearful about being participants in the judicial process (as
jurors, witness, or parties).
Some persons who have the right to be in the courtroom who often cannot be
there because of good reasonssuch as financial reasons (they must work and can-
not afford to take the time off), health (they are physically unable to make the trip
to the courtroom or sit there for extended periods), family commitments (they are
caring for dependent children or aged parents or others in their homes and cannot
leave for an entire day, week or longer), etc. For examples, victims and families of
crime victims may have the right and often the desire to see the justice system in
action,17 but may not be able to spend hours, days, or weeks in a federal courtroom.
Public awareness of court proceedings and judicial behavior is the assumption on
which is based the primary Constitutional safeguard intended to secure the steady,
upright and impartial administration of the laws. 18 That, of course, is the provision
of Article III that good behavior is the standard for retention in service of federal
judges. Thus, it is important that the public be able to observe the behavior of fed-
eral judges. When the public is excluded suspicions are aroused.19 Thus, when Jus-
tice Joseph Teresi set aside a New York law barring the use of broadcast cameras
in the Diallo murder trial,20 and permitted the proceedings to be televised, there
was concern that it would inflame some citizens; when the jury acquitted the de-
fendants, there was fear that it would lead to widespread rampage. In fact, the mild

11 Id.
12 Id. See Publicker Industries, Inc. v. Cohen, 733 F.2d 1059, 1071 (3d Cir. 1984).
13 448 U.S. 555, 569, 578 (1980).
14 Levenson, supra at 610.
15 Craig v. Harney, 331 U.S. 367, 374 (1947).
16 Two hundreds years ago, it could be said that federal courts were open, public and fully
accessible if the courtrooms were situated in urban centers near the major markets where farm-
ers and tradesmen came to sell their commodities, near where merchants sold their wares, close
to where financiers and professionals transacted their business, etc., and if newspaper reporters
could witness and report the proceedings. Then, fully accessible meant accessible to personal
presence or to the print media. Times have changed. Today, not only does technology expand
our accessibility, but it has expanded our activities and commitments so that we depend heavily
upon that technology for access (and not solely upon personal presence and print media). I am
not sure that it can be accurately stated that a downtown urban federal courthouse that is ac-
cessible to personal presence and the print media only is fully accessible to the public today.
17 See Victims Rights and Restitution Act of 1990, Pub. L. 101647, 104 Stat. 4820 (codified
at inter alia 42 U.S.C. 10606(b)(3), (4), (7) (1990); see also Pub. L. 101647 506 (5) & (6) (Vic-
tims of Crime Bill of Rights).
18 The Federalist Papers, No. 78 (Hamilton), supra at 465.
19 As the Supreme Court noted in Richmond Newspapers, [W]here the trial has been con-
cealed from public view an unexpected outcome can cause a reaction that the system at best
has failed and at worst has been corrupted. . . . People in an open society do not demand infal-
libility from their institutions, but it is difficult for them to accept what they are prohibited from
observing. 448 U.S. at 57172. See Lucy A. Dalgish & Gregory H. Kahn, Letter to Hon. Robert
M. Murphy, Jr., (Feb. 28, 2000).
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public discontent following that verdict has been attributed by some to the fact that
the public had been able to see both sides of the case and realized that the issues
were very complicated and difficult.21
Third, S. 721 focuses solely on the fundamental policy issue, and preserves the dis-
cretion of the judges presiding in particular cases. It addresses only one question:
should the law permit a federal judge presiding over a case to allow the use of cam-
eras in the federal courtroom when he deems it to be in the public interest and con-
sistent with considerations of constitutional rights, wise policy, and the fair admin-
istration of justice? S. 721 determines that neither the Constitution nor wise public
policy mandates a blanket prohibition on judges allowing cameras in federal court-
rooms.
Even more importantly, S. 721 does not try to micromanage the resolution of all
questions relating to cameras in the courtroom, but leaves the resolution of those
issues to the persons in the best position to best answer themthe judges presiding
in the particular caseand authorizes them to act on a case-by-case basis. Thus,
the bill preserves the discretion of the judge presiding in the particular case or pro-
ceeding to see that justice is done in each and every case. This bill in no way under-
mines the power of those judges to restrict, condition, or even ban the use of cam-
eras in any particular case, or even in all cases if they feel that is appropriate. It
does not negate the authority of judges to issue legitimate time, place or manner
restrictions on the use of cameras, nor preclude the banning of cameras when a
judge in his or her discretion believes that is warranted.22
S. 721 does not preclude the Judicial Conference from proposing guidelines for the
use of cameras in federal courts. In fact, the Bill authorizes such Guidelines and
I would encourage the Judicial Conference to prepare such guidelines. In fact, it
might even go one step further and propose a system for recording and televising
the proceedings in federal courts comparable to CSPAN, which I consider to be a
very successful, appropriate, and dignified approach to the use of cameras to convey
to the public important governmental proceedings in the public interest.
S. 721 is an extremely modest bill, containing a very generous (in my opinion,
over-generous) exception for witnesses to demand identity protection, authorizing
the Judicial Conference to issue guidelines, and containing a three-year sunset pro-
vision. In short, it is a very careful, prudent approach to moving ahead cautiously
in a complex area. I believe that S. 721 is clearly within the power of Congress. For
over two hundred years, Congress has exercised the authority to establish rules and
standards governing judicial proceedings in the federal courts (particularly district
courts and courts of appeals).23
Fourth, the experience of forty-eight states with cameras in the courtroom cannot
be ignored. Forty-eight states allow the use of cameras in state courtrooms under
a variety of rules and conditions. None of those states has been so dissatisfied with
the experience to repeal the rules allowing cameras in the courtroom; rather, the
courts and commentators report generally very positive experiences.24 Reports on
the effects of cameras in state courts consistently show that it is manageable and
that there are no significant detrimental effects on witnesses, jurors or others in-
volved. Likewise, the 1994 Federal Judicial Center report on the three-year pilot
program in sine federal courts noted small or no effects of camera presence on par-

21 Reichert, supra at 98; Lucy A. Dalgish & Gregory H. Kahn, Letter to Hon. Robert M. Mur-
phy, Jr., (Feb. 28, 2000).
22 Even when there is tremendous media coverage of a case, the court has the power to main-
tain normalcy in the courtroom. Levenson, supra, at 610.
23 See 28 U.S.C. 2, 48, 138141 (terms and times of courts); 1652 (rule of decision act),
id. 2071 (rules authorization); id. 178184 (evidence); id. 1781 Note (Convention on the
Taking of Evidence Abroad in Civil or Commercial Matters); Federal Rules of Civil Procedure;
Federal Rules of Evidence; see generally 28 U.S.C. passim.
24 According to the National Center for State Courts, forty-eight states allow cameras into the
courtrooms, with thirty-five of those states allowing cameras into the criminal courtroom. Many
states require a showing of prejudice by the defendant to warrant the removal of cameras from
the courtroom. Two states, Mississippi and South Dakota, do not allow cameras in the court-
room, and those states do not have any pending rules that would allow cameras in the court-
room. Several states are modifying the use of cameras in the courts, either by proposing legisla-
tion that will further restrict the use of cameras or by expanding the use of cameras in the
courts. The California Judicial Council, for example, recently adopted Rule 980 of the California
Rules that will allow judges to retain discretion over the use of cameras in their courts . . . .
Roberts, surpa, at 628. See also Krygier, supra at 76 (noting 47 states allow cameras in state
courtrooms in 1994); Statement of Sen. Leahy, Cong. Rec. S. 3449 (Mar. 24, 1999). In fact, the
trend toward allowing cameras in the courtroom began with a resolution adopted by the U.S.
Conference of Chief Justices in 1978 favoring cameras in the courtroom; in 1982 the ABA re-
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ticipants in the preceding, courtroom decorum, or the administration of justice.25
Most of the justices who were interviewed . . . thought that educating the public
about the workings of the federal courts was the greatest potential benefit, and
court administrative liaisons expressed satisfaction with the pilot projects.26
Thirty-five years ago, the Supreme Court crystallized a policy against cameras in
federal courts. At that time, Justice Harlan foresaw that with time and experience,
the media would mature in its methods of covering trials, and the public would be-
come more comfortable with the presence of cameras in their lives. He wrote: The
day may come when television will have become so commonplace an affair in the
daily life of the average person as to dissipate all reasonable likelihood that its use
in courtrooms may disparage the judicial process. 27 Today, with ubiquitous air-
waves television, extensive cable TV systems, 500-channel satellite television net-
works, tens of thousands of internet broadcasters, when cameras in peoples homes
are used in television broadcasting of real life programs, and when security cam-
eras for recording evidence are common in courtrooms, the day foreseen by Justice
Harlan has come. The presence of discreet cameras in courtrooms is generally not
disruptive unlike thirty-five years ago.28 It is time for the federal courts to change
their policy to provide a valuable service to the public and to the judicial process
that now can be provided without hampering the administration of justice.
I am aware that there are serious reservations about allowing cameras in federal
courts and potentially serious problems that might result from mismanagement.
Some experienced judges and judicial administrators have expressed thoughtful ob-
jections to cameras in the courtrooms. Some of these concerns are worth noting
here.
(1) Allowing cameras in the courtroom will add to the administrative work of the
judges who will need to spend some time overseeing the use of cameras in the court-
room.29
(2) It could make empaneling and protecting juries from exposure to improper in-
formation more difficult and more expensive, especially in retrials.30
(3) The presence of cameras in the courtroom may have a distorting psychological
effect on witnesses, parties, jurors, lawyers and even judges; in some cases, wit-
nesses, parties, or jurors or others may be intimidated by knowing that their faces,
voices and testimony will broadcast widely.31
(4) The presence of cameras and media have sometimes historically been associ-
ated with creating a circus atmosphere in courtrooms, impairing a defendants
right to a fair trial.32
(5) The media may distort the presentation of the trial,33 by selective editing re-
porters and editors may have a very biased, prejudiced, unfair and inaccurate view

25 Krygier, supra, at 80, citing Molly Johnson & Carol Krafka, Electronic Media Coverage of
Federal Civil Proceedings: An Evaluation of the Pilot Program in Six District Courts and Two
Courts of Appeals 7 (1994).
26 Id. at 24, 3132, cited in Krygier, supra at 80.
27 Estes v. Texas, 381 U.S. 532, 59597 (1965) (Harlan, J., concurring).
28 Krygier supra at 71.
29 Westmoreland, 752 F.2d at 25, citing Chandler v. Florida, 449 U.S. at 574.
30 Id.
31 Id. See also Noisette, supra, at 4 (noting especial concerns in cases involving sex crimes and
domestic violence; also noting that a survey reported that most voters would not want trials in
which they were parties, witnesses or victims to be televised); Statement of Judge Harvey
Schlesinger, Chairman, Committee on Magistrate Judges, Statement on Behalf of the Judicial
Conference of the United States on the Federal Courts Improvement Act (H.R. 1752) http://
www.house.gov/judiciary/sch10616.ht (the potentially intimidating effect of cameras on some
witnesses and jurors).
32 Westmoreland, id. The O.J. Simpson trial is one recent bad example of inept management
of the use of cameras in the courtroom; the 1950s trial of Sam Sheppard is another one.
The ban on cameras in the courtroom can be traced back to the sensational Lindbergh
baby kidnaping case of 1935. . . . The medias constant and disruptive presence in the
courtroom threatened the defendants constitutional right to receive a fair trial. [T]he
media frenzy surrounding this case sparked the debate on the constitutional right of
the press to have access to trials.
. . . In 1937, the [American Bar Associations] House of Delegates adopted Canon 35
of the Judicial Canon of Ethics, barring all still photography and cameras from the
courtroom. . . .
Krygier, supra at 72.
33 Noisette, supra at 3 (the overwhelming majority of footage of court proceedings actually
consists of short featuressnippets, which shed little light on the complexity of court pro-
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of the parties, personnel, and proceedings, and (in the words of Alexander Hamilton)
by the pestilential breath of faction may poison the fountain of justice. 34
(6) Because the media wield the power to make a person look foolish, narrow-
minded, and biased, judges may be intimidated and unwilling to restrict the use of
cameras even when necessary for justice.35
(7) The Supreme Court has repeatedly rejected the claim that the media have a
constitutional right to use cameras in, make photographs in, or broadcast from fed-
eral courtrooms. [T]here is no constitutional requirement that television be allowed
in the courtroom. 36 As Chief Justice Warren declared in Estes, On entering [the
courtroom], where the lives, liberty and property of people are in jeopardy, television
representatives have only the rights of the general public, namely, to be present to
observe the proceedings, and thereafter, if they choose, to report them. 37
(8) The primary concern of the judge and court must be with matters of law,
rights, due process and the fair administration of justice, whereas the primary con-
cern of the media is with probing and displaying the social interests or entertain-
ment value involved in the dispute; these judicial and media interests may be in-
compatible.38
Of course, other thoughtful judges and commentators have responded to these
concerns.39 The issue is certainly not one-sided.
I do not discount or minimize those concerns. However, those concerns go to the
question of how to manage the use of cameras in the courtroom, how to exercise
the discretion to allow cameras in the courtroom, and where and when to draw the
boundaries on allowing cameras in the courtroom, not whether cameras should be
permitted in the courtroom. The concerns of the judges who will have to deal with
the issues surrounding use of cameras in the courtroom, particularly, should be lis-
tened to carefully, and I believe that S. 721 has taken seriously and respected those
concerns. The bill only provides that judges presiding in particular cases have the
discretion to allow or disallow the use of cameras in the courtroom, and leaves un-
hampered the discretion of the judge presiding in the case, who bears the responsi-
bility for the quality of justice in the case.
S. 721 is very similar to Section 210 of H.R. 1752 (Federal Courts Improvement
Act of 2000), which has passed the House of Representatives. It appears that there
are two main differences between the two bills. First, subsection (b)(1) of the H.R.
1752 requires the consent of all named parties before a presiding federal judge can
in his or her discretion permit the use of cameras, while S. 721 does not (instead,
leaves it entirely to the presiding judges discretion). I think that S. 721 is superior
because mandatory deference to party wishes hamstrings the court and may inter-
fere with the administration of justice; there is no need to defer to the wishes of

34 The Federalist Papers, No. 81 (Hamilton), supra at 484.

35 Westmoreland, 752 F.2d at 3334 (Winter, J., concurring). But federal judges are not spine-
less creatures!
36 Estes, 381 U.S. at 587 (Harlan, J., concurring); see also Chandler v. Florida, 449 U.S. 560,
569 (1981); Nixon v. Warner Communications, Inc., 435 U.S. 589 (1978) (the guarantee of a
public trial . . . confers no special benefit on the press); see further Globe Newspaper v. Supe-
rior Court, 457 U.S. 596 (1982); Press-Enterprise Co. v. Superior Court, 478 U.S. 1 (1986).
37 Estes v. Texas, 381 U.S. 532, 58586 (1965) (concurring opinion).
38 See generally Estes v. Texas, 381 U.S. 58791 (Harlan, J., concurring); Noisette, supra at
78 (Most of the interest of the media and public in watching trials on television is for enter-
tainment, not education, and the more outrageous the trial the better entertainment it is.); Mur-
phy, supra at 5657 (the press is governed by different rules); Statement of Judge Harvey
Schlesinger, Chairman, Committee on Magistrate Judges, Statement on Behalf of the Judicial
Conference of the United States on the Federal Courts Improvement Act (H.R. 1752) <http://
www.house.gov/judiciary/sch10616.htm> (the paramount responsibility of a United States
judges is to guarantee citizens a right to a fair and impartial trial); Levenson, supra at 611
(there must be a clear distinction made between the social practice as issue and the legal and
factual issues that must be decided. Blurring the issues disserves the trial process and the im-
portance of social debate.
39 For example, the Second Circuit noted Judge Levals perceptive explanation why cameras
should be permitted in the federal courtroom in the Westmoreland case:
1. The experience of many states that live telecasting need not interfere with the fair
and orderly administration of justice; 2. Other cases where exclusion of television might
be necessary may be faced as they arise; 3. Telecasting does not offend the Constitution
but perhaps infringes on the litigants or publics rights to a public trial; 4. The public
should see how the courts function, especially where the public interest is involved as
it is here, where it could even be reasonably argued that the filming of this trial is
more important than its decision; 5. It is in the interest of the federal judiciary to let
the public see how hard it works and how fair it is; 6. It is a safe prediction that the
eventual entry of the camera into the federal courtroom is inevitable.
Westmoreland, 752 F.2d at 17, n.3. See also Krygier, supra at 7383,; Horth-Neubert, supra at
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a party when there is no good cause for the partys wishes.40 Second, subsection (c)
of S. 721 leaves to the presiding judges discretion whether to refer to advisory
guidelines that the Judicial Conference may promulgate concerning the use of cam-
eras, while the House Bill requires the judge to refer to such guidelines with re-
spect to consistent criteria to be applied in the exercise of the discretion of the pre-
siding judge . . . . While both approaches are reasonable, requiring reference to
such guidelines may insure that the judge will consider then, while it does not bind
him to follow them, and may facilitate some consistency in the federal courts deal-
ing with cameras-in-the-courtroom issues.
Finally, it appears to me that S. 721 does not infringe upon the separate authority
of the Supreme Court. It does not seem intended to bind or restrict the Court in
a way that would violate the Separation of Powers. It includes the Supreme Court
in the precatory provisions, but those are permissive and discretionary, and it seems
recognizes the independence of the Supreme Court. (The authority of Congress over
the District Courts and Courts of Appeals is, of course, greater.)
Conclusion. I am a believer in and supporter of our federal judicial system. I be-
lieve that S. 721 will protect the federal courts and improve the administration of
justice while serving the public interest in open judicial proceedings. It will benefit
the courts, benefit the public, respect and enhance the discretion of the presiding
judges to act in the best interests of justice, and will bring the federal courts into
parity with the state courts in terms of accessibility to the public through cameras
in the courtroom. I encourage this subcommittee to approve and recommend passage
of S. 721.
Senator GRASSLEY. Thank you, Professor Wardle.
Now, Mr. Busiek.
STATEMENT OF DAVID BUSIEK
Mr. BUSIEK. Senator Grassley, Senator Schumer, distinguished
members of the subcommittee, and guests, my name is Dave
Busiek. I have served as News Director of KCCITV, the CBS affil-
iate in Des Moines, IA, for the past 12 years. Prior to that, I spent
12 years as a radio and television reporter and an anchor in Des
Moines.
I am pleased today to testify regarding proposed legislation to
allow media coverage of Federal court proceedings, not only on be-
half of KCCI and the broadcast journalists of Iowa, but also on be-
half of the Radio-Television News Directors Association, RTNDA,
where I have served on the board of directors for 8 years. RTNDA
is the worlds largest professional organization devoted exclusively
to representing electronic journalists.
First, I would like to thank the distinguished Chair of this sub-
committee, Senator Grassley, for the invitation to be here today.
For many of you, it probably seems that Senator Grassley has been
around these halls for a long time. In fact, it has been 20 years
since his election to the Senate. I know; I covered that campaign,
and many before and since.
Coincidentally, that is precisely when Iowa began allowing cam-
eras into its courtrooms. For us, it seems like forever. It has been
20 years. In fact, we have stopped counting how many cases have
been covered by cameras, but I can tell you that not one judicial
action has been overturned as a result of electronic coverage of
Iowas courts.
The presence of cameras in Iowa courtrooms is routine and well
accepted. In his introductory note to our revised, expanded media
coverage handbook in 1997, our then Chief Justice Arthur
40 Perhaps a compromise would be to give judges discretion to disregard party wihses when
there is in the courts opinion no good cause for disallowing the use of cameras, or when it
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McGivern wrote, By and large, the experience has been positive.

I attribute this to the high caliber of Iowas media and to carefully
crafted rules. The goal of expanded media coverage is to increase
public understanding of the court system.
I strongly believe that permitting television coverage of trials is
simply the right thing to do, and I would like to point to two con-
trasting examples from Iowa that illustrate precisely why I hold
this conviction.
The year 2000 opened in Iowa with news of a 2-year-old girl
being found dead in her own bed, despite numerous warnings over
the preceding months that there were signs of child abuse. Despite
the warnings, nothing was done to remove that child from her abu-
sive home. Ultimately, the girls mother and her live-in boyfriend
were charged with first-degree murder.
There were news crews from five different television markets
covering the individual trials. Both defendants were acquitted of
murder, although the mother was convicted of child endangerment.
In short, we had a situation with lots of warning of abuse, but a
dead child, two trials, and yet no convictions for murder.
Understandably, Iowans are upset, but they were also informed
about precisely what transpired in the courtroom during those
trials. They could see the difficult job prosecutors had trying to
prove their case without any witnesses to the crime, and Iowans
were able to form their own opinions about whether Human Serv-
ices officials had done enough to protect this child.
I am convinced that better public policy will be made ultimately
about how to prevent future cases of severe child abuse because
Iowans were allowed to see for themselves and not through the fil-
ter of the few eyewitnesses in the crowded courtroom how difficult
were the issues involved and how justice was dispensed. I would
point to Senator Schumers comments about the Diallo trial and
fully support them as well.
The situation with coverage of Federal proceedings is quite dif-
ferent, however. I would like to cite another example from Iowa. In
a 1997 crime spree, two local boys held up a bank in the town of
Oskaloosa and killed two women in separate locations merely for
the purpose of stealing their vehicles for getaway cars. These were
senseless murders. The women did not offer any resistance.
People in the rural areas where these crimes occurred were
stunned by the senseless violence. Many locked their doors for the
first time. Others armed themselves with shotguns and went out
looking for the suspects. For days, the entire area was on edge.
After a massive manhunt, the suspects eventually were captured in
Florida and returned to Iowa to stand trial on Federal bank rob-
bery and murder charges. They decided to plead guilty.
The legal proceedings in this case were held in Federal court, in
Des Moines, outside the view of television cameras. It occurred to
me then, as it has in similar contexts, that the citizens were de-
prived of a chance to begin the healing process because they were
unable to view these perpetrators making their confession state-
ments to the court. Friends, relatives, fellow church members, and
neighbors were not able to look into these suspects eyes and judge
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crime. It was an opportunity lost because of a needless ban on cam-

eras in Federal courts.
The legislation proposed by Senators Grassley and Schumer rep-
resents an important step removing the cloak of secrecy sur-
rounding our Federal judicial system, and there is no compelling
reason not to support its passage. The First Amendment right of
the public to attend trials has been upheld by the U.S. Supreme
Court, and as the electronic media have become an increasingly im-
portant surrogate for the public in recent decades, that right logi-
cally must extend to audio-visual coverage of Federal judicial pro-
ceedings.
I should mention here that RTNDA believes that any law gov-
erning television coverage of the judicial branch should be ground
in a presumption that such coverage will be allowed unless it can
be demonstrated that it would have a unique adverse effect on the
pursuit of justice or prejudice the rights of the parties in any par-
ticular case. Placing decisions as to whether or not to pull the plug
on electronic coverage in the hands of the parties would violate the
publics First Amendment right of court access.
In conclusion, I would like to say that in the same way that the
publics right to know has been significantly enhanced by the pres-
ence of cameras in the House and then the Senate over the past
two decades, the legislation proposed by Senators Grassley and
Schumer has the potential to illuminate our Federal courtrooms,
demystify an often intimidating legal system, and subject the Fed-
eral judicial process to an appropriate level of public scrutiny. It is
time to provide unlimited seating to the workings of justice every-
where in the United States by permitting audio-visual coverage of
judicial proceedings.
Thank you.
[The prepared statement of Mr. Busiek follows:]
PREPARED STATEMENT OF DAVID BUSIEK
Senator Grassley, Senator Schumer, distinguished members of the Subcommittee
and guests: My name is Dave Busiek. I have served as news director of KCCITV,
the CBS affiliate in Des Moines, Iowa, for the past 12 years. Prior to that, I spent
12 years as a radio and television reporter and anchor in Des Moines. I am pleased
to testify today regarding proposed legislation to allow media coverage of federal
court proceedings not only on behalf of KCCI and the broadcast journalists of Iowa,
but also on behalf of the Radio-Television News Directors Association, where I have
served on the Board of Directors for eight years. RTNDA is the worlds largest pro-
fessional organization devoted exclusively to electronic journalism. RTNDA rep-
resents local and network news executives, educators, students and others in the
radio, television, cable and online news business in more than 30 countries, and has
long advocated opening our nations courtrooms to the sunshine of audiovisual cov-
erage. Our members are the people who have demonstrated that television and
radio coverage works at the state and local levels, and they can make it work on
the federal level.
First, I would like to thank the distinguished Chair of this subcommittee, Senator
Grassley, for the invitation to be here today. For many of you, it probably seems
that Senator Grassley has been around these halls forever. In fact, its been 20
years since his election to the Senate. Coincidentally, that is precisely when Iowa
began allowing cameras into its state courts. Its been 20 years! By now, weve
stopped keeping count of how many proceedings have been covered because Iowas
laws allow electronic journalists to use the tools of their trade to inform the public
about trials and other judicial proceedings. Certainly, several thousand cases have
been covered and not one judicial action has been overturned as the result of elec-
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The presence of cameras in Iowa courtrooms is routine and well-accepted. In his
introductory note to our revised Expanded Media Coverage (or EMC) handbook in
1997, then-Chief Justice Arthur McGivern wrote, by and large, the experience has
been positive. I attribute this to the high caliber of Iowas media and to carefully
crafted rules. . . . The goal of Expanded Media Coverage is to increase public un-
derstanding of the court system.
I strongly believe that permitting television coverage of trials is simply the right
thing to do. I would like to offer today two contrasting examples from Iowa that il-
lustrate precisely why I hold this conviction.
The year 2000 opened in Iowa with the news of a 2-year-old girl being found dead
in her own bed, despite numerous warnings over the preceding months that there
were signs of child abuse. Despite the warnings, nothing was done to remove the
child from her abusive home. Ultimately, the girls mother and her live-in boyfriend
were charged with first-degree murder. In July, the boyfriend was tried in a small
county seat town. There were news crews from 5 different TV markets covering the
trial. The coverage went off without a hitch, despite this county having no prior ex-
perience with expanded media coverage. The boyfriend was acquitted of all charges.
Earlier this month, the toddlers mother was also tried. She, too, was acquitted of
murder, but convicted of child endangerment.
In short, we have a situation with lots of warning of abuse, a dead child, two
trials, and yet no convictions for murder. Understandably, Iowans are upset. But,
they are also informed about precisely what transpired in the courtroom during
these trials. They watched as both suspects testified. They were able to form opin-
ions about whether Human Services officials had done enough to protect the child.
They could see the difficult job prosecutors had trying to prove their case without
any witnesses. Im convinced that better public policy will be made about how to
prevent future cases of severe child abuse because Iowans were allowed to see for
themselves, and not through the filters of the few eyewitnesses in the crowded
courtroom, how difficult were the issues involved and how justice was dispensed.
Senator Schumers home state offers a similar example. The recent trial con-
cerning the death of Amadou Diallo in Albany, New York is illustrative of the im-
portant role television coverage can play. Justice Joseph Teresis watershed ruling
declaring a constitutional right to televise criminal trials opened the door to the
type of pool coverage we often use in Iowa. The Diallo trial coverage also exemplifies
how television can provide the public with a unique window on an important and
controversial trial without compromising the integrity of the proceedings. By all ac-
counts, there was no sign of the courtroom grandstanding that opponents of cameras
in courts often cite. Any attempts by the prosecution and defense to speak to the
public at large occurred outside the courtroom, as they would have with or without
a camera inside. Most importantly, the public was allowed to witness first-hand the
proceedings in this highly-charged trial and arrive at their own conclusions. Indeed,
the decision to allow camera coverage of this trial probably averted more violent
protests from those unhappy with the acquittal of the four police officers charged
with killing Mr. Diallo, because, as a New York Times editorial pointed out, it al-
lowed the public to understand the legal complexities of the officers claims of self-
defense.
The situation with coverage of federal proceedings is quite different, however. Id
like to cite another example from my home state of Iowa. In a 1996 crime spree
in Southern Iowa, two local boys held up a bank in Oskaloosa and killed two women
in separate locations merely to steal their vehicles for get-away cars. These were
senseless murders. The women did not resist. People in the rural areas where these
crimes occured were stunned by the senseless violence. Many locked their doors for
the first time. Others armed themselves with shotguns and went looking for the sus-
pects. For days, the entire area was on edge. After a massive manhunt, the suspects
were eventually captured in Florida and returned to Iowa to stand trial on federal
bank robbery and murder charges. They decided to plead guilty.
The legal proceedings in this case were held in federal court in Des Moines, out-
side the view of television cameras. It occurred to me then, as it has in similar con-
texts, that the citizens were deprived of a chance to begin the healing process be-
cause they were unable to view these perpetrators making their confession state-
ments to the court. Friends, relatives, fellow church-members, and neighbors were
not able to look into the suspects eyes and judge for themselves what kind of person
would commit such a heinous crime. It was an opportunity lost because of a need-
less ban on cameras in federal courts.
As you know, under present law, television coverage of federal criminal and civil
proceedings at both the trial and appellate level is effectively banned. Since the O.J.
Simpson murder trial, many have been quick to point the finger at the camera as
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evidence to the contrary is overwhelmingthe camera shows what happens; it does
not create it. The legislation proposed by Senators Grassley and Schumer represents
an important step toward removing the cloak of secrecy surrounding our judicial
system by giving federal judges at both the trial and appellate levels the discretion
to allow cameras in their courts under a three-year pilot program. At its conclusion,
Congress and federal judges would be given an opportunity to review the program.
I believe that passage of this legislation will send a message to judges that giving
the public access to courts through televised proceedings is a right and an oppor-
tunity, not an inconvenience.
There is no compelling reason not to support the passage of such legislation. The
First Amendment right of the public to attend trials has been upheld by the U.S.
Supreme Court and, as the electronic media have become an increasingly important
surrogate for the public in recent decades, that right logically must extend to audio-
visual coverage of federal judicial proceedings. I should mention here that TRNDA
believes that state and federal law governing television coverage of the judicial
branch should be grounded in a presumption that such coverage will be allowed un-
less it can be demonstrated that it would have a unique, adverse effect on the pur-
suit of justice or prejudice the rights of the parties in any particular case. Placing
decisions as to whether or not to pull the plug on electronic coverage in the hands
of the parties would violate the publics First Amendment right of court access.
Jurors, prosecutors, lawyers, witnesses and judges on both the state and federal
levels have overwhelmingly reported for the last decade that the unobtrusive cam-
era has not had an adverse impact on trials. The pilot cameras program conducted
by six federal districts and the Second and Ninth Circuit Courts of Appeals between
1991 and 1993 was a resounding success, resulting in a recommendation that cam-
eras be allowed in all federal courts. 48 of the 50 states allow some manner of audio-
visual coverage of court proceedings, 43 allow such coverage at the trial level, and
studies in 28 states show that television coverage of court proceedings has signifi-
cant social and educational benefits.
Technological advances in recent decades have been extraordinary, and the poten-
tial for disruption to judicial proceedings has been minimized. The cameras avail-
able today are small, unobtrusive, and designed to operate without additional light.
Moreover, the electronic media can be required to pool their coverage in order to
limit the equipment and personnel present in the courtroom, further minimizing dis-
ruption.
There is no principled basis for admitting the print media into federal courtrooms
and not the electronic media. While both print and electronic media fulfill the im-
portant role of acting as a surrogate for the public, only television has the ability
to provide the public with a close visual and aural approximation of actually wit-
nessing a trial without physical attendance. As Justice Stewart once observed, the
Constitution requires sensitivity to the critical role played by the press in America
society . . . and to the special needs of the press in performing it effectively.
Indeed, video is our societys common language. Eliminating television coverage
of federal judicial proceedings significantly impacts upon the content of the informa-
tion conveyed about important trials, effectively resulting in content-based discrimi-
nation.
Because of the federal ban, the public has been deprived of the benefits of first-
hand coverage not only at the district court level, but also at the appellate level.
Consider only a few of the significant issues that have come before the federal
Courts of Appeals in recent yearsissues of great interest to the American public,
yet ones that the public had no opportunity to see and hear:
Whether a civil suit can be brought against the President of the United States
while he is in office based on his private conduct.
Whether there is a constitutional right to physician-suicide.
Whether a state may under the First Amendment decree English to be its only
official language.
Whether a class action may proceed against the tobacco industry on behalf of
tens of millions of smokers claiming to be addicted to cigarettes.
Whether professional baseball owners may unilaterally rescind the free agency
and salary arbitration rules governing their relations with players.
The public has a right to see how justice is carried out in our nation. Public scru-
tiny will help reform our legal system, dispel myth and rumors that spread as a
result of ignorance, and strengthen the ties between citizens and their government.
The courtroom camera not only gets the story right, it allows victims to have a
record of the proceedings, and to reach a much broader audience. Experience shows
that cameras in the courtroom work and that they do not interfere with courtroom
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In the same way the publics right to know has been significantly enhanced by
the presence of cameras in the House and then the Senate over the past two dec-
ades, the legislation proposed by Senators Grassley and Schumer has the potential
to illuminate our federal courtrooms, demystify an often intimidating legal system,
and subject the federal judicial process to an appropriate level of public scrutiny.
It is time to provide unlimited seating to the workings of justice everywhere in the
United States by permitting audio-visual coverage of judicial proceedings.
Thank you, Senator Grassley, for the opportunity to testify on behalf of RTNDA
before your committee today.
Senator GRASSLEY. Thank you very much for your experience in
that, and particularly the good record we have had in Iowa on its
use.
Now, Mr. Goldfarb.

STATEMENT OF RONALD GOLDFARB

Mr. GOLDFARB. Thank you, Senator Grassley, Senator Schumer.
One of the benefits of speaking last is I can speak a little more
briefly and I have the benefit of picking up on some of the com-
ments of the members of the subcommittee and the earlier speak-
ers.
In 200 years of Anglo-American law, we have debated the pro-
found issues, first, of the problems of in camera proceedings, and
now several years later the problems or benefits of on-camera pro-
ceedings. It is a particular subject that raises profound constitu-
tional and social implications, and it happens to be one that I have
studied for a long time.
My doctorate degree when I went to Yale Law School was on the
doctrine of constructive contempt, and I read all of the cases at
that point, ages ago, which dealt with the power of courts to find
the print press guilty of contempt for their coverage of court pro-
ceedings on the grounds that it interfered with the administration
of justice. The subject was one that continued to interest me both
as a trial lawyer in the Government and later after I left the Gov-
ernment.
In the early 1960s, the members of the subcommittee will re-
member the then so-called free press/fair trial became a major
issue. The Supreme Court had handled the Shepard case and the
Bill Sol Estes case, which for the first time dealt with television in
courts. The Riordan committee studied the role of the press and the
bar. Committees were set up all over the country to worry about
this problem.
The 20th Century Fund in New York, now the Century Fund, re-
tained Alfred Friendly, who was the Managing Editor of the Wash-
ington Post, and me to write a book about the free press/fair trial
problem. That was in the mid-1960s, and television was so new
even then that we had only the barest mention in a chapter called
The Pen and the Lens raising the question of whether or not the
rules should be different for the broadcast media than it is for the
print medium.
In that interim from then until the present time, as you know,
the Supreme Court in 1981, in the Chandler case, ruled that tele-
vision per se did not interfere with the constitutionality of a fair
trial, and left it to the States to fashion their own rules. It was,
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to experiment with rules like this to see what does and does not
work.
Several years ago, the 20th Century Fund came back to me and
said now, with the experience that we have now had with the cru-
cible of Court TV, which then had had about 600 to 700 cases tele-
vised, with the experience of then 48 States and all of the different
studies, lets look at the problem again, and that resulted in this
book TV or Not TV, which was published by the 20th Century
Fund and NYU Press.
In the process of my research, I read every State study that led
to every State rule that resulted in permission for one form or an-
other of televised trial. Every State before they adopted their rule
had a press-bar-media-wiseman/wise woman committee that ran
for from a year to 3 years to study all of the perceived problems
of the impact or potential impact of television on witnesses, on ju-
rors, on lawyers, and all the participants to the administration of
justice.
And in every one of those studies, the result was once skeptical
lawyers and judges found that the presence of the television cam-
era, generally unseen, had no impact, and that the real disturb-
ances in the justice system were what went on outside the court-
room as opposed to what went on in the courtroom.
I brought two pictures which graphically make this study which
I canthey are blow-ups of photographs that I have used in my
book. Two of them are pictures outside of the O.J. Simpson case,
one the criminal case, and one the civil case, where the kind of gro-
tesque paparazzi coverage of people coming out of the courtroom
creates the image that people are so concerned about with regard
to press coverage of trials.
But one of them shows an actual proceeding of the Supreme
Court of Washington, which is now the only State which televises
all of its supreme court arguments. And there you will see a totally
dignified atmosphere which, according to the Justices of the Wash-
ington Supreme Court, typifies the way those proceedings in that
court have been run.
It comes to the question of whether or not there is a valid dis-
tinction between the print medium and the broadcast medium. In
the early days of the Sol Estes case, the concern was that there
would be wires snaking across courtrooms and cumbersome tele-
vision cameras getting in the way and inhibiting witnesses. Of
course, we now know that the new technology is such that those
kinds of concerns are well beyond us. The State Trial Association
down in Williamsburg has put out a study that shows all of the
high-tech conveniences that are now built into all new courtrooms
that are being designed.
So then the question remains, well, if we dont have physical ob-
structions, what about the impact? What about the concerns that
Judge Becker raised before? All I can say is I read that Federal
study that he referred to. I read the report of its own in-house com-
mittee which recommended that the State rules be emulated. The
Judicial Conference didnt like the results of the first study. They
sent them back to do some more studies and to answer some more
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if you will, came back recommending that the State rules be fol-
lowed in the Federal system as well.
So what basis do we have for presuming in this one situation
that people who are being perceived widely are going to misbehave
in a worse fashion than when they are acting privately? It goes
against everything that we operate under in every other aspect of
life. We presume that people behave better when they are being ob-
served than when they are not being observed.
But in this one context, somehow or other some judges have
drawn the conclusion to be able to stop televising Federal trials on
the notion that somehow or other the mere knowledge that a cam-
era is there is going to have everybody acting out in a way that
just belies all of the studies that have been done.
In addition to the studies by the States and the Federal Judicial
Center, I went to the Lexis-Nexis machinery and found every study
that had ever been made by sociologists, pollsters, and other social
scientists to try and determine scientifically, such as you can under
these circumstances, whether there really is something to be said
for the fact that the presence of an unseen eye would somehow or
other disrupt the participants.
Every one of those studies, as well, indicated that what might
have seemed to be rationale conclusions really had no basis. The
general consensus even by skeptics was after a while the camera
was like a piece of furniture in the room, and after 30 or 40 sec-
onds one failed to even notice it.
I would like to come to just one last point that was raised by
Senator Specter because it is a particular passion of mine. Because
I am an attorney who is a member of the Supreme Court bar and
happen to live in Washington, DC, for the 35 years that I have
practiced in this city I have had the extraordinary good fortune of
being able to go to our Supreme Court whenever there was a case
that interested me.
And it has been a highlight of my education to say that I heard
the Bakke case argued, I heard the right to die case argued. I
watched Justice Harlan deliver his Griswold opinion. And it seems
to me absurd that that is limited to those few of us who by chance
happen to be here. All of the arguments that anybody has made
about televised proceedings go out the window with regard to the
Supreme Court. Yet, it has been the Supreme Court which has
been the most adamant opponents to the process.
Interestingly, when Justice Burger was the Chief Justice on the
Court, he was vehemently against cameras in the Court. When he
left the Supreme Court, in a speech at the ASNE he said he had
changed his mind and now saw that there was an edifying possi-
bility.
When Justice Rehnquist came up for confirmation as Chief Jus-
tice, he was asked specifically what his position would be if he were
Chief Justice and he said he had an open mind to broadcasting pro-
ceedings of the Supreme Court. Yet, when he took that role as
Chief Justice, he not only forbade radio broadcasting of arguments
before the Supreme Court, but threatened a lawsuit to somebody
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So I heartily endorse that part of your bill which reaches out to

the Supreme Court. I mean, one can envision a kind of quintessen-
tial separation of powers conflict if the Supreme Court were to say
we will decide. But in view of its own opinions to date and in the
last decade about questions of First Amendment in the Court, it is
going to be very hard for them to do that.
[The prepared statement of Mr. Goldfarb follows:]
PREPARED STATEMENT OF RONALD GOLDFARB
Thank you for the opportunity to address the Sub-committee on S. 721, a proposed
bill to permit televising trials and appeals in the federal courts in the discretion of
the presiding judge during a three-year experimental period. It is similar to the bill
passed by the House recently, except that that bill requires the consent of the par-
ties. In my opinion, however salutary, neither bill goes far enough, for reasons I will
explain.
As this committee knows, since the Supreme Courts opinion in Chandler in 1981,
the states, all but one now, have studied the subject of televised trials and con-
cluded that the positive and educational aspects of public information outweigh any
potential negative impact on the fairness of the judicial process. In state after state,
initial concerns about lawyers and judges misbehaving, witnesses and juries being
negatively affected were assuaged, even by once skeptical observers and experts.
The federal system conducted its own three-year study in 1991, concluding that
fears about television in courts were misplaced. The Judicial Conference Committee
researchers recommended following the state rule. Despite almost a quarter century
of study and experience with this one medium, with very few exceptions (see pages
8894 of my book) the federal court system remained reluctant to move into the
20th century, much less the 21st.
S. 721 would move the federal court system a modest step into the mainstream.
I believe it is time to make the full plunge. I would not allow witnesses to control
the judges discretion, except in extraordinary cases where the youth or personal na-
ture of the testimony requires special controlsand in those cases I would leave it
to the judge to make that decision. I believe that recent federal law, spelled out in
a list of Supreme Court Cases (see pp. 4754 of my book), makes it clear that the
First Amendment requires opening trials to television unless without closure there
would be a substantial probability that irreparable damage to the defendants fair
trial right will result. The one seeking closure must show that less drastic alter-
natives to closure will not adequately protect the fairness of the trial, and that clo-
sure will effectively protect the defendant from the perceived harm. In other words,
the presumption in all cases should be that trial and appellate procedures are open,
and those wishing to curtail television coverage of any proceedings have the burden
of demonstrating clear reasons why that should be the case.
Finally, I commend the Committee for focusing on the most interesting aspect of
this issuetelevising the open proceedings of the Supreme Court, which is explicitly
allowed by S. 721. Here, more than any other situation, the profound educational
aspect of public information about the Judicial process and about fundamental social
issues eclipses the insignificant potential problems. There are no witnesses and no
juries to be concerned about. The judicial members and legal advocates are the most
renowned, as a rule, and thus least likely to be affected by the presence of an un-
seen camera and audience. And the need for the public to know about the treatment
of the countrys most significant issues considered in the one crucible of government
which is least understood is manifest. The late appellate judge Skelly Wright called
the operations of the Supreme Court a continuing constitutional convention, and
I agree with him that the American public and the legal system would profit from
observation of those proceedings.
Senator GRASSLEY. I will defer to Senator Schumer because he
has to go.
Senator SCHUMER. Well, I thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to
thank all three witnesses for their statements. I just had one ques-
Ronald Goldfarb is a Washington, DC attorney and author. He was a prosecutor and defense
counsel in the United States Air Force, and a member of the organized crime section of the De-
partment of Justice during the Kennedy Administration. He has written ten books, including
his most recent, TV or not TV: Television, Justice, and the Courts, a Twentieth Century Fund
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tion not quite on this subject, because I agree with the witnesses
and I think they have done excellent testimony. My question is
somewhat related. I will beg the indulgence of the Chair.
I wanted to ask Mr. Busiek your opinion. There is something else
that has been going on here that may hurt us a little bit, and that
is Court TV is supposedly going to offer a new program called
Confessions, where each episode will present the highlight of con-
fessions of convicted murderers and rapists and other violent crimi-
nals. The network will split the screen and show reenactments of
the crime along with each confessor.
As a well-experienced and judicious person from the television
side, what do you think of this? Do you think that it undermines
the sorts of programs and arguments of Court TV and other net-
works who claim to want to show trials for public interest as op-
posed to finding the most sensationalistic coverage and shooting for
the highest ratings? Also, is such a show fair to the victims of
crime and their privacy?
My view is that Court TV is harming its own reputation for seri-
ous, full coverage for the sake of ratings on a show that seems
more like Jerry Springer. Do you have an opinion on that?
Mr. BUSIEK. Well, I only heard of this program earlier today, so
I dont know that much about it, but that has never stopped me
before. Would this be before a trial or, for instance, after a guilty
plea that these tapes would be shown? I dont know. I think it
would make a big difference.
Senator SCHUMER. People who have been convicted.
Mr. BUSIEK. People who have been convicted. I dont see any
harm in it. I mean, I think the case is done. I think it is a com-
pletely separate thing than what we are talking about today. I am
sure that Court TV has done and will continue to do things that
you or I may agree with or may not agree with.
I think the overriding good in terms of what they have been able
to do in terms of shining that light into our court system is good.
They are a business like a lot of media companies are a business,
so it is not necessarily a bad thing just to do a popular program
that might be getting ratings. So, that is part of it.
But I think if a case has already been adjudicated and these
tapes are played, I personallyagain, speaking from not a lot of
knowledge on it, I would not have a problem with that.
Senator SCHUMER. Does anyone else want to comment on it? I
find there is something wrong with it.
Mr. GOLDFARB. Well, I think so, but when you talk about re-
enactments, E! TV is doing that already, and it seems to me that
is a different kind of question. That is a question of taste. The ulti-
mate answer, I think, is gavel-to-gavel coverage.
Senator SCHUMER. Right.
Mr. GOLDFARB. It is the answer to the 50-second sound bite. It
is the answer to the snippets, but that is what we get now by the
print medium. In my book, I report Leslie Maitland, who is a very
illustrious reporter for the New York Times who covered the Hurri-
cane Carter, grieving about the fact that she would be there all day
watching proceedings that she was very critical of and was limited
to 800 words. That is the classic snippet, as is the 50-second sound
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I dont know that you can keep people from doing that, but they
would be seen to be the distortions that they are if you had gavel-
to-gavel coverage. CSPAN has offered to do it, to have no adver-
tisements. MSNBC, I think, has offered to put it on the radio,
again, with no advertisements and to do gavel-to-gavel coverage.
Senator SCHUMER. Yes, I agree with you and with Mr. Busiek
that this is a question of taste as opposed to a question of legality.
I just think it is in bad taste. And I hope it doesnt interfere with
our desire to get cameras in the courtroom, and I would like to
make a distinction between the one and the other. I agree with
you. The best antidote to that would be to have the whole trial
shown.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Again, I thank the witnesses.
Senator GRASSLEY. On the point you just brought up, I think the
extent to which it adds to the violence that we already have enough
of on television, and the sex that we already have on television and
all things of that nature, and how that leads particularly younger
people to be immune to thinking about the results of their acts, it
leads to a general lack of civility in society as a whole.
You know, I think we have to start judging what the impact is
upon society that causes people to be violent toward each other
without a second thought. Now, there are a lot of people that are
violent toward each other with thought of being violent. But too
much we are hit today with people just acting out of instinct and
what that has done to a lot of aspects of our society, not just that
people are hurt and killed, but a lack of respect for each other, or
maybe another way to put it is respect for each other, is the very
basis for a civil society.
Senator SCHUMER. Well put, Mr. Chairman.
Senator GRASSLEY. I just have two or three questions. The first
one builds upon something Mr. Busiek has mentioned, and these
were some compelling cases where cameras played an important
role and a Federal case where there were not cameras and the im-
pact that that had.
In the 20 years of experience in State courts, do any of you have
any examples where cameras caused any of the problems that the
Judicial Conference says would take place, like terrorist attacks or
denying defendants fair trials? And I will ask all three of you, in-
cluding Mr. Busiek if he knows of any, or Professor Wardle, or from
your standpoint of your research, Mr. Goldfarb.
Mr. WARDLE. Mr. Chairman, I am not aware of any studies or
cases in which there has been the terrorist problem. On the other
hand, we are all aware of examples in which presence of media has
had a disruptive effect on trials. The point is that the bill allows
the judge the discretion to put on conditions to prohibit those
events from occurring, or, if they occur, ban the cameras.
Frankly, Your Honorexcuse me, Senator.
Senator GRASSLEY. It sounds better. [Laughter.]
Mr. WARDLE. It sounds better. Well, you are both Honorable Sen-
ator and Chairman.
In fact, there are violent episodes that occur in courts, for in-
stance, with respect to divorce, child custody, child support. Not a
day goes by that you cant read in a newspaper about someone who
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those. Those occur, by the way, mostly in State courts where these
proceedings are allowed.
The point is that there are methods by which they can protect
and prevent that. They simply say this proceeding is not going to
be broadcast to exacerbate the feelings, the animosity, or the situa-
tion. I am not aware of any terrorist examples at all.
Senator GRASSLEY. Mr. Busiek and then Mr. Goldfarb.
Mr. BUSIEK. I am not aware of any of these problems. I think it
is important to point out that in Iowa, as is the case in a lot of
States, the onus is on the media to make this thing work. That is
the one thing we can cooperate on. I mean, reporters are famous
for not cooperating with one another. They are sort of an unruly
sort, but on this all the newspapers, the radio stations, cooperate
to make this thing work.
There are 13 media coordinators spread regionally around the
State, and those are reporters, people in newsrooms, and they work
with the other folks in those newsrooms to make sure that this is
a coordinated effort and that you dont have a bunch of people run-
ning to the judge to work things out.
We get our issues on the table. The media coordinator goes to the
judge and we try to work problems out before they occur. The
judges in Iowa have been extraordinarily supportive. We had a
banquet a couple of years ago with judges and media and lawyers
to actually celebrate the EMC program in Iowa. I think it has
brought the media and the judiciary closer together. I dont know
if that is a good thing or a bad thing. I would like to think that
it is a good thing.
Senator GRASSLEY. Mr. Goldfarb.
Mr. GOLDFARB. In my experiences in courtrooms, I have not had
the kind of problem that has concerned Judge Becker. The prob-
lems that I have noted are the problems in the picture that I
showed you, which is the press hanging around outside of peoples
homes, sticking cameras in their faces, running alongside their
cars, adding those kinds of pressures. Those are out-of-court prob-
lems, but I have never seen that in the court.
In fact, the few unpleasant experiences that I can recall in court-
rooms of judges, I think, acting, shall we say, with eccentricities
probably would never have occurred if there was a camera in that
courtroom, but only happened because they ran those courts and
those particular cases as little oligarchies. I think the presence of
the public in those situations would have been salutary.
Senator GRASSLEY. I am going to ask Mr. Busiek and then the
other two of you to comment on the same point that I am making
and asking his opinion. Judge Becker pointed out that peoples pri-
vacy rights would be compromised if we allowed cameras in the
courtrooms. You probably deal with this issue everyday. This is
what Judge Becker said, Much of the evidence introduced may be
of an extremely private nature, revealing family relationships and
personal facts, including medical and financial information.
What practices and procedures exist in the States that protect
privacy rights? Maybe you can just speak for Iowa, but either case.
Mr. BUSIEK. Well, these issues do come up from time to time.
Lawyers have the ability to object in the middle of a trial about a
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mony if it is of a sensitive nature. It can often be of a sexual abuse

kind of nature. And I think the media in Iowa have a terrific track
record of cooperating and trying to work to make that happen. We
want to make sure that our rights arent being abused, as well, but
we talk about in chambers and we try and work those things out.
In response to Judge Beckers comments, I would say that a trial
is a public event. Things are going to be said in public that may
well be embarrassing to the people taking part in it, but I think
every one of the potential objections that he raised could also be
caused by print coverage, as Senator Schumer pointed out.
I havent heard that anyone has asked questions of a witness or
judges or lawyers if they were at all affected in any way by the
presence of a newspaper reporter in the courtroom. My guess is
that some would be. You know, we can have a very orderly process
by just closing everything off. But this is sometimes a messy proc-
ess and I just tell you that the presence of a camera in the court-
room does not add to any problems that are already inherent in
having a public trial.
Senator GRASSLEY. Professor Wardle.
Mr. WARDLE. I would agree with that, Mr. Chairman. I believe
that there are important issues. And I think Judge Beckers state-
ment is a very thoughtful statement, but it doesnt go to the ques-
tion that is addressed by this bill. The question addressed by this
bill is should judges have the discretion to allow cameras in the
courtroom. The objections go to the question of, if so, how, when,
under what circumstances, where are the boundaries to be drawn,
what limits.
And one of those concerns is to protect privacy of individuals.
Yes, you can establish guidelines and rules on certain kinds of
cases or certain kinds of issues. Or when there is a witness who
is particularly distraught, you might, in fact, say we wont allow
cameras here because this witness is extraordinarily sensitive, or
it is a child.
So, yes, there are very valid concerns, but the bill protects the
discretion of the judges to deal with those concerns, as judges are
capable of doing. Our Federal judges are not spineless creatures.
They know how to exercise discretion to protect the fairness of the
administration of justice and the decorum of a courtroom. I have
no doubt that they will be able to do that under this bill.
Senator GRASSLEY. Mr. Goldfarb, if you have anything to add.
Mr. GOLDFARB. No, just that the different State rules are not un-
like the one in Iowa. Almost all of them have a provision which al-
lows the judge in cases where you have a witness of tender age or
a sexual crime or unusual elements that dont generally prevail
a witness whose life might be threatened, extraordinary situations
like thatfor the judge to make exceptions to the general rule,
which is that despite the fact that there might be more publicity,
I mean the question is whether or not there is enough difference
in degree to make it a difference in kind.
And you cant sidestep the question that if you knowif we
today knew that our testimony was going to be broadcast to hun-
dreds of millions of people all over the world, I suppose my anxiety
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out or trying to play the fool, but I am sure it would have some
impact on me.
But experience seems to indicate that that is, number one, some-
thing that can be kept in balance and that evaporates over time,
and more importantly that the issues discussed at this proceeding,
if they are of interest worldwide, ought to be heard and considered
worldwide. That is an overriding interest of public information.
Senator GRASSLEY. Lets go to another issue that Judge Becker
argued about, and that is that the financial costs would be very
great if cameras were allowed. So the question is has that been a
problem that has come up in the State experience, whatever
thoughts you might have on that issue from each of you on the
panel?
I will start with you, Mr. Busiek.
Mr. BUSIEK. I am not aware of any costs in the State system at
all. I heard him mention media coordinators. As I have already tes-
tified, in Iowa that is handled by the media themselves, not by the
courts. I am not aware of any costs whatsoever.
As courtrooms are remodeled, I think it is up to any jurisdiction
to decide whether they want to put in some cabling for the future.
We have been consulted on that at the Polk County Courthouse in
Des Moines. We have assisted with that, we have helped pay for
some of that. I am not aware that there is any significant cost.
Senator GRASSLEY. Professor Wardle.
Mr. WARDLE. I believe that there are costs, Mr. Chairman. In re-
ality, the judge will have to consider this. The question will be
raised. The parties may, in fact, submit briefs or make motions. So
there are the indirect costs, but it is another issue that can come
up. But they are not substantial.
Senator GRASSLEY. In that instance, though, it would be if there
was going to be a dispute if there be cameras in the courtroom.
Mr. WARDLE. Right, if someone objects.
Senator GRASSLEY. If there wasnt any dispute, there wouldnt be
a cost, right?
Mr. WARDLE. That is right. There wouldnt be a cost, except the
minor cost that the judge would independently think about it for
2 minutes or 10 minutes, or whatever. But those are insignificant
and unsubstantial. They are very real, and there could be equip-
ment costs down the road, but that is, I think, normal and not ex-
traordinary. I think it is well within what we expect as the courts
continue to cope with changing circumstances.
We now have electric lighting in courts, a cost that we didnt
have when the Constitution was written and Article III was cre-
ated. So, yes, there are minor costs, but I dont believe they are
substantial, except in the rare case. So I think it is an insignificant
point.
Senator GRASSLEY. Does your research say anything on that, Mr.
Goldfarb?
Mr. GOLDFARB. I would have to disagree, and the committee
should take note of the fact that the Judicial Conference went to
the people who conducted its study after they came up with their
results and asked them what the costs would be to equip Federal
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ommendation. And they came back with a figure of $70,000 to

$130,000, I think, if I have the numbers correctly, per courtroom.
You all in Congress have the power of the purse. If you
Senator GRASSLEY. That sounds a little ridiculous, though,
doesnt it?
Mr. GOLDFARB. Well, that sounds like it would be very high.
Senator GRASSLEY. Well, I mean it is a ridiculous figure just on
the surface. I havent studied their rationale for it, but you are re-
porting that is what they
Mr. GOLDFARB. That is what the Judicial Conference study group
advised the Judicial Conference.
If you did the ideal, which is what the State of Washington, for
example, did in its supreme court where they have no cameras
there is just a little hole in the corner of the room, fiber optic con-
nections to a privately-funded cable network that is three blocks
and that televises all State proceedings. That is all done with foun-
dation money and some State legislative money.
But Congress has the power of the purse, I neednt tell you, and
to the extent that you feel there is an overriding public information
value to this, it is something you can take care of. But I wouldnt
ignore it and I wouldnt say that it is de minimis.
Mr. BUSIEK. Might I just add that these two murder trials with
the child abuse case were in courtrooms that had never had tele-
vised coverage before, both cases handled by judges who had never
handled an expanded media case before. It is our equipment. We
came in, set the stuff up. There was no cost to that courthouse sys-
tem whatsoever and it worked just fine. So I am not understanding
what could cost that kind of money. I am not saying that they
didnt report it.
Mr. GOLDFARB. Well, I mean it is a policy question. Does the
Federal judicial system want to have a contract with ABC or CBS
or a pool of reporters to come in and, in effect, provide television
coverage? I hadnt heard that suggested even by the networks.
Case by case, individual stations may decide it is a worthwhile in-
vestment, but when you are talking generically and systemically
again, I am not saying it is a reason for not doing it, but I am say-
ing it is a legitimate question, it is a legitimate problem. Congress
is going to have to deal with it.
If, in fact, a rule was passed saying that from now on all Federal
courts are going to be televised, then the next question is, well,
who is going to pay for the camera. And in era where this Govern-
ment is quite concerned with what we do with our surplus, wheth-
er there is a surplus, what the priorities are, I would say this is
probably a relatively low priority in the grab bag of what is going
to happen with Federal funds.
Senator GRASSLEY. My last question will be to Professor Wardle,
and this is something Judge Becker made a point of that the pri-
mary concern of Federal judges is to make sure that defendants re-
ceive a fair trial. It seems to me that there are a number of other
constitutional rights that a judge needs to be concerned about.
So would you agree that there are other important rights and
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Mr. WARDLE. Yes, Senator Grassley, I would. I would also agree

with Judge Becker that in a criminal case the predominant concern
is fairness to see that justice is done, a fair trial is received by the
defendant. But there are other concerns, as well. The Sixth Amend-
ment is a multi-faceted amendment and there are other rights, as
well, that have to be protectedFourth Amendment rights, First
Amendment rights, as well.
So, yes, I agree that there have to be other constitutional and im-
portant public considerations taken into account. Judges dont just
have one rule that they have to apply. The Constitution is a much
more textured and complete document than that. So I think it is
a bit of an oversimplification to say that that is the only consider-
ation. Yes, there are many other constitutional and legal factors
that courts have to consider. Speedy trial they are required to con-
sider, which sometimes is in tension with the right to a fair trial.
So, yes, there are a lot of factors that have to be considered.
Senator GRASSLEY. That is the last of my questions, and I sug-
gested to the first panel and suggest to you that there not nec-
essarily will be, but there may be some questions submitted for an-
swer in writing. We would appreciate it very much if you would
have those answered in two weeks. In the case of any of you who
havent dealt with that process, my staff would be helpful to you
in that process.
Thank you very much.
[Whereupon, at 4:07 p.m., the subcommittee was adjourned.]

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ADDITIONAL SUBMISSIONS FOR THE RECORD

ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE OF THE U.S. COURTS

JUDICIAL CONFERENCE OPPOSES BILL TO BRING CAMERAS INTO FEDERAL COURTS

A representative of the Judicial Conference of the United States today told the
Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Administrative Oversight and the Courts that a
bill to allow cameras in courtrooms could seriously jeopardize the rights of citizens
to receive a constitutionally guaranteed right to a fair trial.
Chief Judge Edward R. Becker of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit
appeared before the subcommittee to express the Judiciarys strong opposition to
cameras in the courtroom. The bill, S. 721, would allow media coverage of court pro-
ceedings.
The Judicial Conference in its role as the policy-making body for the federal judi-
ciary has consistently expressed the view that camera coverage can do irreparable
harm to a citizens right to a fair and impartial trial. We believe that the intimi-
dating effect of cameras on litigants, witnesses, and jurors has a profoundly nega-
tive impact on the trial process, said Judge Becker. Moreover, in civil cases cam-
eras can intimidate civil defendants who, regardless of the merits of their case,
might prefer to settle rather than risk damaging accusations in a televised trial.
A Federal Judicial Center study of a three-year Judicial Conference pilot program
allowing electronic media coverage of civil proceedings in six district and two appel-
late courts, found that 64 percent of the participating judges reported that, at least
to some extent, cameras make witnesses more nervous than that otherwise would
be. In addition 46 percent of the judges believed that, at least two some extent, cam-
eras make witnesses to appear in court, and 41 percent found that, at least to some
extent, cameras distract witnesses.
Judge Becker also pointed out that as an educational tool for the public, the Judi-
ciarys own community outreach efforts have been demonstratively more effective
than proposed camera coverage in presenting basic educational information about
the legal system. A Federal Judicial Center report on media coverage during the
three-year pilot project concluded that of 90 stories analyzed, there was an average
of 56 seconds of courtroom footage per story and most of the footage was voiced over
by a reporters narration. Seventy-seven percent failed to identify the type of pro-
ceeding involved. Television news coverage appears simply to use the courtroom for
a backdrop or a visual image for the news story which, like most stories on tele-
vision, said Judge Becker, are delivered in short sound bites and not in-depth.
The Judiciary has repeatedly examined the issue for over six decades. Criminal
rules adopted in 1946 included a prohibition on electronic media coverage of crimi-
nal proceedings. In 1972, the Judicial Conference adopted a prohibition against
broadcasting, televising, recording or taking photographs in the courtroom and
areas immediately adjacent thereto . . . that applied to criminal and civil cases.
In 1988 the Conference revisited the issue and recommended the Judiciary begin
a three-year pilot program allowing electronic media coverage of civil proceedings
in six district and two appellate courts. A 1994 study of the pilot project by the Fed-
eral Judicial Center convinced the Judicial Conference and the potentially intimi-
dating effect of cameras on some witnesses and jurors was cause for considerable
concern. In 1996 the Conference again considered the issue and voted to strongly
urge each circuit judicial council to adopt an order not to permit the taking of photo-
graphs or radio and television coverage of proceedings in district courts. The Con-
ference left it up the appellate courts whether or not they would adopt similar rules,
and all but two courts of appeals subsequently adopted prohibitions.
This is not a debate about whether judges would be discomfited with camera cov-
erage, Judge Becker told the subcommittee. Nor is it a debate about whether the
federal courts are afraid of public scrutiny. They are not. . . . It is also not about
increasing the educational opportunities for the public to learn about the federal
courts or the litigation process. . . . Rather this is a decision about how individual
Americans, whether they are plaintiffs, defendants, witnesses, or jurors, are treated
by the federal judicial process. It is the fundamental duty of the federal Judiciary
to ensure that every citizen receives his or her constitutionally guaranteed right to
a fair trial. The Judicial Conference believes that the use of cameras in the court-
room could seriously jeopardize that right. It is the concern that causes the Judicial
Conference of the United States to oppose enactment of S. 721.

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AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION,
GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS OFFICE,
Washington, DC, September 25, 2000.
Hon. CHARLES E. GRASSLEY,
Subcommittee on Administrative Oversight and the Courts, Committee on the Judici-
ary, U.S. Senate, Washington, DC.
DEAR MR. CHAIRMAN: We are writing to commend you for holding a hearing Sep-
tember 6, 2000, on the issue of cameras in the courtroom. We would appreciate
your including this letter in the hearing record.
The Association has had a long and cautious history with respect to broadcast cov-
erage of federal judicial proceedings. In 1937, the Association formulated its original
ban on camera coverage as Canon 35 of the then Canons of Judicial Ethics because
of concerns about preserving the dignity and decorum of the courtroom, safe-
guarding the right to a fair trial in criminal proceedings, and avoiding the possible
adverse impact on the fact finding process and the administration of justice.
During the 1970s, many state courts started to permit camera coverage, generally
with favorable results. After observing such successful experimentation in the
states, and following the 1981 unanimous decision in Chandler v. Florida, 449 U.S.
560, holding that due process does not require an absolute ban on cameras in the
courts, the Association revised its policy to authorize the presiding judge to permit
broadcast coverage of criminal proceedings consistent with the right to a fair trial
and subject to express guidelines.
In 1989 an ABA Task Force on Outreach to the Public recommended televised
coverage of oral arguments in the United States Supreme Court, based on the belief
that it would generate increased understanding and respect for our judicial system.
The House of Delegates, our policy-making body never considered this recommenda-
tion, and it therefore does not constitute official ABA policy.
In 1991, the Judicial Conference of the United States began a three-year pilot pro-
gram to broaden coverage of selected civil court proceedings. The Association whole-
heartedly endorsed this action. At the conclusion of the pilot program, the Judicial
Conference voted to terminate all electronic coverage of courtroom proceedings, de-
spite a favorable evaluation by the Federal Judicial Center. Many ABA members
felt that the debate over electronic coverage should not be closed and that the evi-
dence supported the conclusion that such coverage is not detrimental to the admin-
istration of justice. After careful review of these developments, the Association
adopted policy in 1995 urging the Judicial Conference to authorize further experi-
mentation with electronic media coverage.
Today, five years later, the Association reiterates its position, which, if anything,
is strengthened by mounting evidence of the benefits derived from expanded medial
coverage of courtroom proceedings.
Results from a recent study commissioned by the Association to assess public per-
ception of the U.S. justice system demonstrate in stark terms why public access to
our federal courts is so desirable. Forty-seven percent of those polled felt that the
courts do not treat all racial and ethnic groups the same. We are concerned that
such widespread public perception of bias will erode public confidence in our courts.
The study also disclosed that the publics knowledge of the justice system is quite
uneven and, for a great many, insufficient; however, more than two-thirds of the re-
spondents want to improve their knowledge. This is very good news because the
study also found that the more knowledge people have about the justice system, the
greater their confidence and respect for the system. Bringing the public inside the
courtrooms of America so that they can learn from what goes on there can only be
accomplished on a broad scale through electronic media coverage.
Allowing federal judges to decide, on a case-by-case basis, whether to allow elec-
tronic media coverage of court proceedings under guidelines promulgated by the Ju-
dicial Conference will be good for the courts and good for the public. Courts that
conduct their business openly and under public scrutiny protect the integrity of the
federal judicial system by guaranteeing accountability to the people they serve.
Court proceedings that are accessible and visible benefit the public because of the
invaluable civic education that results when citizens witness federal courts in ac-
tion.

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We share your conviction that the debate over electronic media coverage of federal
court proceedings is not over and that additional experimentation should be per-
mitted, and we thank you re-focusing the nations attention on this issue. Our latest
policy and its accompanying report (though not itself policy) is attached for your fur-
ther examination.
Sincerely,
ROBERT D. EVANS.

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