Nen$d Djordjevic–T$lerm$n

On M%rch 19, 2018

FALCON BOOKS INTERVIEWS

EXPLORING ENLIGHTENED LIVING
THROUGH HERMETIC MEDITATION
AND BEYOND
With Nen$d Djordjevic Telerm$n

F%lcon Books is presenting % series of interviews with se%soned

Hermetic pr%ctitioners to offer not only their wisdom, knowledge %nd
underst%nding, %nd %n insight into their own journey, but %lso to offer
inspir%tion to those on this p%th. The focus of these discussions %re
guided tow%rds the spiritu%l seeker.

Presenting tod%y %nd interview with Nen%d Djordjevic Telerm%n.

Nen%d is %n Honor%ry Vice President of the Roy%l Asi%tic Society
Chin% in Sh%ngh%i. He lives in Sh%ngh%i where he is % freel%nce
rese%rcher, writer, tutor %nd musici%n. He h%d his first m%gic%l
experiences %s % child %nd he reg%rds himself %s B%rdonʼs student.

He studied history in Stockholm %nd Belgr%de %nd e%rned % m%sterʼs

degree in 1994. After working %s % histori%n %t the Yugosl%vi%n
%rchives, he joined the Ministry of Foreign Aff%irs in 1997. His
diplom%tic postings took him to Pyongy%ng in 2000, Beijing from
2002 to 2006, %nd Sh%ngh%i 2006 to 2010. He is the published
%uthor of the Old Sh'ngh'i Clubs 'nd Associ'tion 'nd S'p'jou: The
Collected Works of ' C'rtoonist. His next public%tion, 360 He'ds of
the E'rth Zone: The First Step to Divine Providence.(F%lcon Books
Publishing).

The m%jority of F%lcon Books interviews %re focused on the pr%ctice

of Initi'tion into Hermetics by Fr%nz B%rdon, however, tod%y we will
be to exploring more B%rdonʼs second title, The Pr'ctice of M'gic'l 
Evoc'tion.

A cordi%l welcome to N%n%d %nd th%nk you for t%king the time to
%nswer these questions.

[. F%lcon Books: I wonder if you could sh%re %spects of your

m%gic%l b%ckground %nd how your experiences %s % child
sh%ped your p%th?

Nen%d Djordjevic Telerm%n: When I w%s % very sm%ll child, I

remember how my gu%rdi%n %ngel told me th%t I would not be %ble to
see him %nymore, %nd when I st%rted to cry, he told me th%t he would
%lw%ys be %round me %nd th%t I would be %ble to see him once %g%in
but much l%ter in my life. When I w%s %bout four ye%rs old, I h%d %
dre%m %bout f%iries %nd gnomes, %nd when I woke up, they somehow
tr%nsferred directly from my dre%mworld into the physic%l re%lity, so
for % few minutes, I s%w them d%ncing in my room in their physic%l
forms. About the s%me %ge I w%s entirely shocked to re%lise th%t we
%ll were going to die, %nd m%ybe my first spiritu%l quest st%rted %s %n
%ttempt to underst%nd if there re%lly w%s % life %fter de%th.

I h%d % very nice childhood. I lived next to the oldest %nd most
be%utiful p%rk in Belgr%de, my hometown. I spent most of my time
there pl%ying with friends, climbing trees %nd exploring %ncient ruins
%nd w%lls. We h%d our own m%gic%l trees which we %dored. I strongly
felt %t th%t time th%t some secret p%ths did connect our world with
other re%lities %nd th%t we could find %ctu%l port%ls hidden
somewhere in the p%rk. Those ide%s were spont%neous. We h%d not
he%rd %bout such things from %nybody else nor re%d %bout simil%r
things in %ny book. We were m%ybe 7 or 8 ye%rs old. L%ter I
understood th%t we h%d been %ctu%lly worshipping n%ture %nd
performing some kind of m%gic there %s kids without knowing it or
consciously w%nted it.

2. Were there %ny other influences in your life outside of B%rdonʼs

work th%t helped to guide you %long your spiritu%l p%th?

Nen%d Djordjevic T%lerm%n: The most influences h%ve come from my

f%mily members – p%rents, sister, wife, sons; %nd closest rel%tives
%nd friends. In my prim%ry school, I w%s h%ppy to h%ve % very
interesting biology te%cher (whose f%mily n%me h%ppened to be the
s%me %s mine) whose lectures %bout biology were %ctu%lly
f%scin%ting stories %bout the universe, lost civilis%tions, secrets of
n%ture %nd %ll kinds of mysteries %nd m%gic. When I w%s 14 ye%rs old
I h%ppened to buy % book %bout %str%l projection. It w%s in 1984.
Such books were r%re %t th%t time. I w%s shocked to re%lise th%t
%str%l projection w%s % re%l possibility for some people. There were %
lot of instructions in th%t book %bout how to %chieve %str%l projection
%nd for two ye%rs I w%s pr%cticing very stubbornly %lmost every night
%nd fin%lly %chieved my first conscious %str%l projection when I w%s
17. This book w%s surely one of the most influenti%l in my life.
Regrett%bly, I lost it. I even forgot the n%me of the %uthor %nd the
title. I h%ve been trying to find this book on the internet, but up to
now to no %v%il.

In next 10 ye%rs %fter my first conscious %str%l projection, I h%d % lot

of out of body experiences %nd s%w % lot of spirits %nd different
pl%nes of existence. The problem w%s th%t I w%s very confused %bout
those regions which I w%s visiting. I w%s not sure wh%t they were
%bout %nd h%d % little underst%nding of their n%ture %nd inh%bit%nts.
Different spiritu%l guides helped me % lot to g%in some better
underst%nding of it, but I w%s %lso very lucky to find my hum%n
te%cher – Tom deLiso, whose instructions %nd words of wisdom were
very precious to me. He did his best to encour%ge my explor%tion of
the Tree of Life %nd 30 'ethyrs of Enochi%n m%gic. Th%nks to Tom
deLiso %nd his instructions I m%n%ged to visit %ll sephirot in the Tree
of Life where I w%s %lso blessed to meet %rch%ngels S%nd%lphon,
Mich%el, G%briel, Uriel, R%ph%el, Met%tron %nd some other gre%t
te%chers %nd m%sters.
3. F%lcon Books: When did you discover Fr%nz B%rdonʼs writings %nd
how did this ch%nge your pr%ctice?

Nen%d Djordjevic T%lerm%n: I do not ex%ctly rec%ll the d%te, but I

guess it w%s %round 2002, when I c%me to live in Chin%, %bout the
s%me time when I w%s t%king % more serious interest in t%rot, yi jing,
te%chings of old Christi%n gnostic schools %nd t%ntr%. Some of my
f%vourite %uthors from th%t time were %lso Omr%%m Mikh%ël
Aïv%nhov, % gre%t Christi%n mystic %nd gnostic %nd Robert Svobod%,
who wrote % f%scin%ting trilogy %bout %ghori %nd the life %nd
te%ching of his te%cher Vim%l%n%nd%.

I st%rted re%ding Corpus Hermeticum %nd got f%scin%ted %bout

hermetic tr%dition too. My studies of hermeticism, le%d me fin%lly to
Fr%nz B%rdon. I w%s %t once %ttr%cted to him % lot. I found it %m%zing
how v%st %nd det%iled his knowledge w%s. I found his books very
intelligently %nd spiritu%lly written. I liked his person%lity too. Beyond
%ll, he w%s % very good m%n. I think th%t mostly due to his influences,
%s good %s %ll B%rdoni%n m%gici%ns I c%me in cont%ct with %re re%lly
good people too. I h%d %chieved my first conscious %str%l projection
some 15 ye%rs before I discovered B%rdonʼs books, but Fr%nz B%rdon
ch%nged my pr%ctices in m%ny different w%ys.
First of %ll, Fr%nz B%rdonʼs second book ch%nged my perspective
%bout evoc%tions. I re%lised th%t even if I m%de progress in my out of
body experiences, I h%d %bsolutely no ide% how to m%ke %n
evoc%tion. I might h%ve seen some different re%lities in my out of
body experiences, but I w%s never %ble to consciously evoke spirits
into our worldʼs re%lity. Th%nks to B%rdon, I h%ve become interested
in ceremoni%l m%gic. In one field, such %s OBE, I felt %dv%nced, but in
other fields, such %s evoc%tion, I felt like % neophyte.

4. F%lcon Books: Fr%nz B%rdon st%tes,

“To re'ch this m'turity ' cert'in pre-tr'ining is 'bsolutely necess'ry.
The re'der will, therefore, find it n'tur'l th't he must be fully
convers'nt with the first t'rot-c'rd, 't le'st up to Step 8, if he w'nts
to h've further positive success in his pr'ctice of higher m'gic.”
-The M%gic%l Pr%ctice of Evoc%tion

How import%nt do you feel this st%tement is?

Nen%d Djordjevic Telerm%n: Step 8 is %bout sep%r%tion of ment%l
body from %str%l body, ment%l tr%velling throughout the universe,
controlling the elements, influencing from the elements, prep%r%tion
of fluid condensors %nd prep%r%tion of m%gic%l mirror. The m%gici%n
who is %ble to %chieve %ll of those things is undoubtedly very
%dv%nced. All previous 7 steps h%ve helped the m%gici%n come up to
th%t level, often %fter % long %nd h%rd work. But once you get to th%t
point, you will then %lso h%ve it much e%sier to evoke %nd
communic%te with spirits %nd tr%vel wherever you w%nt %round the
universe. When you %str%l or ment%l tr%vel to different re%lities, you
%re % guest, but when you evoke to our physic%l re%lity, spirits %re
your guests. Step 8 helps you become % better host %nd guest. The
m%gici%n who is %bout to m%ster step 8 is %lso %bout to m%ster both
evoc%tions %nd out of body experience (including %str%l %nd ment%l
projection). The communic%tion with spirits will be much e%sier from
th%t point on, which %ll is much more expl%ined in B%rdonʼs second
book %bout m%gic%l evoc%tions. I often pr%cticed %ccording to
B%rdonʼs instructions. And once you m%ster one step, it does not
me%n you would never come b%ck to it %g%in. I %lw%ys come b%ck to
B%rdonʼs steps, especi%lly to the step 1. Nevertheless, before I
discovered B%rdon, I h%d been lucky to m%ster %str%l %nd ment%l
projections by my own efforts %nd l%ter with the help of Tom deLiso.
My point is th%t the m%gici%n c%n %lso come to the step 8, by
following some other te%chings %nd tr%ditions.

You do not necess%rily need to follow B%rdon to re%ch B%rdonʼs level

of step 8. There %re m%ny different w%ys to come to the level 8. Fr%nz
B%rdon g%ve only one ex%mple, but it is the golden ex%mple. I %lso
noticed th%t m%ny people t%ke ye%rs to m%ster some of the B%rdonʼs
first steps. If they h%ppened not to be %ble to move forw%rd for ye%rs,
m%ybe they could then t%ke inspir%tions from some other books %nd
te%chers %nd l%ter come b%ck to B%rdon %g%in. If you h%ve studied
some m%gic%l tr%ditions for 30 ye%rs %nd discover B%rdon for the
first time when you %re, letʼs s%y, 60 ye%rs old, I think th%t there is no
re%son th%t you should st%rt your m%gic%l studies from the very
beginning in order to re%ch the step 8, when you h%ve %ctu%lly
%lre%dy re%ched the level 8 by following some other tr%ditions.

5. F%lcon Books: I wonder if you could tell us %bout the inspir%tion

behind your up %nd coming title, 360 He'ds of the E'rth Zone: The
First Step to Divine Providence. Wh%t c%n we expect from this title?

Nen%d Djordjevic Telerm%n: Let me quote Fr%nz B%rdon:

The size of this volume m'kes it impossible for me to give full det'ils
on e'ch individu'l he'd; I c'n only publish ' few words referring to
the gener'l f'cts of hermetic science…The description of m'ny '
he'd whose r'nge of competence is very gre't would fill not just one
volume, but ' good number of volumes.

The first time I w%s re%ding Fr%nz B%rdon I felt sorry th%t he omitted
to write more det%ils %bout the 360 he%ds of the E%rth Zone %nd
other spirits, but it %lso looked to me th%t with such rem%rks, he
invited future m%gici%ns to continue his work. So, I felt % c%ll to try to
continue his work the best I could. So f%r I know, since B%rdonʼs time,
only three people focused their spiritu%l pr%ctices on the 360 he%ds
of the E%rth Zone: Emil Stejn%r, Willi%m Mistele %nd Cynthi%
Schlosser. I would like to t%ke this opportunity to give them my
gr%titude %nd %cknowledgements. Now%d%ys, more people %re
interested in this subject. There %re sever%l nice FB groups %bout
B%rdonʼs m%gic with % lot of interesting members.

I first st%rted to evoke spirits from B%rdonʼs book in 2006. In the next
few ye%rs, I did my evoc%tions spor%dic%lly %nd unsystem%tic%lly. But
in 2013 I decided to evoke %ll of them. I st%rted my online journ%l on
Frid%y, April 26, 2013, on Studio Arc%nis, % m%gic%l forum, with the
following sentences: “Well, I know their n%mes, I know their sigils, I
h%ve seen %nd t%lked to some of them…But I %m still not s%tisfied
with my results. I w%nt to see who they re%lly %re… So, I will dedic%te
my next ye%r to working with the 360 he%ds of the Zone girdling the
E%rth… Since there %re 360 he%ds, but 365 d%ys in one ye%r, I will
more or less dedic%te one d%y to e%ch he%d of the Zone…”

My di%ry %bout evoking the 360 he%ds c%n still be re%d on-line,
(However, you need to be % member of Studio Arc%nis in order to
re%d it).
This book %bout 360 he%ds of the E%rth Zone includes some p%rts of
this di%ry but %lso %ll of my previous %nd l%ter evoc%tions. It h%s
t%ken me four ye%rs to write this book. During this time, I h%ve
evoked e%ch of those 360 spirits %t le%st two more times, if for non
other re%sons, then just to confirm if wh%t I w%s writing %bout them
w%s true.
In my description e%ch he%d of the E%rth Zone cont%ins the following
elements: sigil; %ltern%tive n%me which were used by Abr%m%lin the
M%ge %nd Quintscher; Divine %nd %ngelic n%mes for the circle %nd
conjur%tion; domin%nt colour in sp%ce impregn%tion; number %nd
colour of c%ndles; the tri%ngle %rr%ngement; offerings; %ddition%l
suggestions %bout evoc%tion; simil%r spirits; %ppe%r%nce of the spirit;
the spiritʼs te%chings %nd instructions; my own experiences; the
spiritsʼ region; subordin%te spirits; %nd possible problems %nd side-
effects.

The second p%rt of the title is The First Step to Divine

Providence. There %re ten m%in steps to Divine Providence, %nd the
first step is the E%rth Zone. The second step is the Moon, the third
step – Mercury, the fourth – Venus %nd so on. The l%st step is Kether.

My life %spir%tion is to write ten books %bout 10 steps to Divine

Providence, but Divine Providence will %lso decide whether this will
h%ppen or not, bec%use it is % huge t%sk. I h%ve %lmost finished two
books %bout the Moon Zone %nd Mercury Zone %nd I h%ve g%thered
% lot of m%teri%ls %bout the Venus Zone too. But I %m not doing this
work %lone %ny more. It is too much for one person to h%ndle, so I %m
writing these books together with some other m%gici%ns.

o. F%lcon Books: Firstly, for the p%ssive re%der without the

experience of IIH c%n we cl%rify th%t these beings you %re t%lking
%bout in your forthcoming book %re %ll beings existing outside of
the mind of the pr%ctitioner. So these %re not psychologic%l these
re%l beings like you %nd me but with % very different role, is th%t
true to s%y?

Nen%d Djordjevic T%lerm%n: Those beings exist outside of our own

mind. If you h%ve %ny doubt %bout th%t, when you meet them, just
w%tch them objectively %nd let them t%lk. In such situ%tions, they will
then most prob%bly s%y some things which youʼd never s%y by
yourself just to show you th%t they %re % sep%r%te entity from you.
Those genii %re extremely knowledge%ble. They somehow know %ll
th%t h%s been written by hum%n beings, so wh%t they t%lk %bout
c%nnot be found in %ny of our books. For this re%son, it is good to be
well informed when you meet them. The sm%rter question you %sk
them, they would %ppreci%te you more. There is no re%son for them
to expl%in to people some b%sic things which they c%n, for ex%mple,
find in books or online. When you %re in their own dimension, when
you touch them, you c%n %lso feel th%t they %re re%l. Astr%l body is
quite solid when it is in the %str%l re%lm. It is obvious th%t they %re not
% p%rt of our own mind when we see them.

q. F%lcon Books: With reg%rds to B%rdonʼs second title The M'gic'l

Pr'ctice of Evoc'tion, h%ve you found th%t you h%ve been dr%wn
to work with E%rth Girdling Zone (EGZ) Spirits more th%n others?

Nen%d Djordjevic T%lerm%n: The 360 he%ds of EGZ were the first
group of spirits from B%rdonʼs book which I explored system%tic%lly,
but I h%ve been %lso f%scin%ted by working with spirits from %ll other
pl%net%ry zones. The spirits of the Moon Zone %re very mystic%l. The
Mercuri%l spirits %re extremely intelligent. The Venusi%ns %re pure
souls %nd %ddition%lly very be%utiful. The M%rti%l spirits c%n be gre%t
protectors. We live on the E%rth, so it is import%nt not to neglect the
360 he%ds of EGZ even when we work with spirits from other
pl%net%ry spheres. Nobody knows better our pl%net th%n the 360
he%ds of EGZ, %nd they %re willing to sh%re their knowledge with us.
They %lso w%nt to help us properly underst%nd our pl%net %nd our
role in it, %s long %s we live here.

8. F%lcon Books: How h%s working with these beings %ssisted you in
your d%ily life on pr%ctic%l level?

Nen%d Djordjevic Telerm%n: I st%rted my system%tic%l work with the

360 he%ds %t the time when I decided to st%rt something new in my
life. First of %ll they helped me overcome my person%l “d%rk night of
the soul” % crisis which c%me %s % reflexion of my crossing the Abyss.
I w%s % successful diplom%t but due to some person%l re%sons, I
decided to le%ve the Ministry of Foreign Aff%irs %nd become %
freel%ncer. It w%s % difficult decision. The 360 he%ds of the E%rth
Zone h%ve been helping me in my %spir%tion to be % free m%n. They
h%ve helped me %chieve fin%nci%l st%bility. They %re helping my
f%mily. Since I live in % foreign country, they %ssist me with loc%l
deities %s well %s with loc%l communities %nd %dministr%tion. Their
influences %re unmist%k%ble.
Let me give you some ex%mples. Kol%ni is %n expert of occult
d%ncing. I evoked Kol%ni for the first time in Sh%ngh%i in June 2013.
At th%t time, I h%d no ide% th%t I would just one month l%ter m%ke %n
unpl%nned trip to Kony% (Turkey) where I %lso h%d the opportunity to
visit Rumiʼs m%usoleum, %n old spiritu%l centre of Sufiʼs d%ncing.
P%fess%, Abbetir%, Siri%, Giri%, Al%gill, Yr%g%non, C%pip%, Jrmoni,
Lurchi, Iser%g, Asp%dit %nd N%si %re rel%ted to fin%nci%l m%tters. Due
to their influences, I spent my first ye%r %fter the first evoc%tion of
those spirits living %nd working in: Indonesi%, Th%il%nd, Burm%,
Turkey, Chin%, %nd the Philippines. My childhood dre%m w%s to
become % rock singer, %nd some 35 ye%rs l%ter, this is ex%ctly wh%t I
h%ve become tot%lly unexpectedly %fter my first evoc%tion of Riqit%, %
he%d who is % gu%rdi%n of singers. I evoked B%%lto, % gu%rdi%n of
c%ves %nd underw%ter tunnels, %nd soon %fter I h%ppened to see
some of the most be%utiful c%ves in the world in Guilin (Chin%).
Among other things, I %m %lso % te%cher, so I h%ve been %ssisted by
Z%grion% %nd some other spirits on d%ily b%sis. They %lso help me
with writing. I h%ve been he%ling some people with their help too.
People now %ppreci%te %nd like me for who I %m, %nd not for my title
%nd soci%l or fin%nci%l st%tus, which is mostly due to their help. They
%lso help me connect with nice people. They push me to work for
pe%ce in cooper%tion with some other m%gici%ns. They encour%ge
me on my w%y to person%l freedom. So f%r, not %ll of them were
equ%lly helpful, which is re%son%ble %nd norm%l. For inst%nce, some
of them %re gu%rdi%ns of m%them%tici%ns, engineers %nd physicists. I
%m not good %t those sciences %nd prob%bly will never be, so I re%lly
do not expect to be %ssisted by them in those fields. But then %g%in,
who knows? Sometimes you need to w%it for % while to be sure th%t
you h%ve observed their influences. If they %ll w%nt to help %t the
s%me time, Iʼd %chieve %ll my dre%ms in one d%y, which is %bsurd %nd
most prob%bly unsurviv%ble.

9. F%lcon Books: When m%king the tr%nsition in IIH visiting the

element%l re%lms %nd then moving onto investig%tion of the 360
he%ds how does this ch%nge oneʼs perspective on life?

Nen%d Djordjevic T%lerm%n: The 360 he%ds %re te%chers of 360

different f%culties %nd 72 fields of m%gic. Their %c%demies %nd
temples %re loc%ted in the E%rth Zone. When people die, some of
them will become their students. Among m%ny other things, their
students will le%rn there how to fly, become invisible, strive for pe%ce,
tr%vel to other pl%nets %nd help our hum%nity grow. One of the
gre%test things %bout the 360 he%ds is th%t we c%n be %ccepted %s
their students while we %re still %live. So, they help %nd te%ch us, but
they %lso need us %nd sometimes they %lso need our help. They help
our physic%l re%lity through us. The physic%l world needs to be t%ken
c%re of %nd cultiv%ted by us hum%ns. This is our m%in role on this
pl%net. If we neglect th%t role, then the 360 he%ds of the E%rth Zone
will not c%re to help us. The element%l re%lms help us underst%nd
n%ture %nd our role in it. They infl%me our souls with love to %ll living
beings. They %lso m%ke us become more b%l%nced %nd better hum%n
beings. Th%t is %ll very import%nt bec%use if we do not strive to
become better people, the 360 he%ds of the E%rth Zone will just
ignore us. We will never become % p%rt of their comp%ny.

10. F%lcon Books: Does working with these beings not only %id with
bringing knowledge into this world, %lso wh%t %re the effects upon
the ment%l body of the m%gici%n?

Nen%d Djordjevic – Telerm%n:  Once upon % time, they were directly

helping hum%nity grow in culture %nd sciences, but the stories from
the three Enochʼs books remind us th%t the concept of their direct
involvement in hum%n %ff%irs dr%m%tic%lly f%iled when the hum%ns
misused %nd misunderstood their knowledge. Ever since th%t time,
the gre%t spirits h%ve preferred to c%rry on the work of enlightenment
through elected hum%n beings. Fr%nz B%rdon used to s%y th%t some
secrets %re locked behind m%ny locked doors for good re%sons %nd
c%n be reve%led only to the m%ture m%gici%n. Scientific discoveries
m%y %new le%d to world c%t%strophe. The he%ds of the E%rth Zone
know ex%ctly th%t there %re some big problems with hum%n n%ture
%nd th%t we h%ve % potenti%l to destroy the world we live in, so it is no
wonder they %re reluct%nt to help.

M%ny spirits donʼt w%nt to h%ve %ny cont%ct with imm%ture people %t
%ll. Fr%nz B%rdon mentioned th%t m%ny spirits %re re%dy to reve%l
their te%chings only to the m%gici%n with high ethic st%nd%rds. All
spirits whose f%culty is to inspire inventors to new technic%l
inventions reject to help the m%gici%n in %ny w%y, unless s/he is truly
m%ture enough to receive such knowledge. And they h%ve every right
to be reluct%nt with %ll of those scientific experiments which h%ve
ended up with %tomic bombs, chemic%l we%pons %nd destruction of
n%ture. So, the future of this hum%nity is left to the %depts which is
the conscious decision of the Mercuri%l spirits. The %dept needs to
find % w%y how to %ppro%ch spirits using his or her knowledge in
m%gic, %lchemy %nd %strology.

If they find the m%gici%ns worthy, they will help them strengthen their
ment%l bodies with incredible proportions, but they would expect
them to keep the s%cred te%chings from corruption %nd to keep up
with the good work of the %ncients with the %im to rise hum%nity up
from its b%rb%rous fe%tures to cultur%l heights.
With the strong ment%l body, we c%n tr%vel to the end of the Universe
where we c%n %lso by our own eyes witness the r%ys of cre%tion.
They c%n help us exp%nd our memory %nd intellectu%l c%p%bilities, so
th%t we could remember %ll of our previous inc%rn%tions %nd
underst%nd wh%t is behind % person even if we meet them for the first
time %nd wh%t is in the book %fter the first re%d sentence. We will be
%lso lucid %ll the time if we wish. The only problem will be from then
on how to find % w%y for people to underst%nd you. Helping people is
very difficult.

11. F%lcon Books: With reg%rd to the he%ds of the EGZ they %re often
spoken of %s the true te%chers of hum%nity, In your experience is this
the c%se %nd how gre%t %n influence do they h%ve upon our
development?

Nen%d Djordjevic Telerm%n: I think th%t I %lre%dy p%rtly %nswered to

th%t question, but let me %dd th%t if they like you then they c%n %lso
te%ch you everything %bout %nything which is rel%ted to our pl%net
E%rth. In their efforts to influence our development, the he%ds of the
EGZ closely cooper%te with the Mercuri%l spirits (Shem %ngels).

Most of the 360 he%ds of the E%rth Zone h%ve % gre%t %ffinity
tow%rds Mercury, but they use the E%rth %s % pl%tform from where
they te%ch %nd help hum%n beings. Cooper%tions between Shem
%ngels %nd he%ds of the E%rth Zone %re very intensive. M%ny he%ds
of the E%rth Zone h%ve Mercuri%l ch%r%cters %nd c%n te%ch the
m%gici%ns % lot %bout Mercury mysteries. As they %re %lso f%mili%r
with the hum%n h%bit to %buse knowledge when they h%ve % ch%nce
to do so, they now only elect trust%ble individu%ls to represent
Mercuri%l %ff%irs %nd interests upon the E%rth. Those lucky persons
%re or will become: hermetic m%sters, %dv%nced m%gici%ns,
extr%ordin%ry %lchemists, %nd outst%nding %strologers – in other
words – the true children of Mercury.

12. F%lcon Books: In your work with these beings do you %lw%ys
evoke or meet within the EGZ %nd wh%t is the re%son for this?

Nen%d Djordjevic Telerm%n: There %re different levels of EGZ. During

the evoc%tion, the spirits come to our world re%lity %s our guests, %nd
during our out of body experiences, we go there to their %str%l %nd
ment%l re%lms to be their guests. They sometimes follow us to
Ak%sh%. One %nd the s%me spirit %fter their %ppe%r%nce in our
worldʼs re%lity m%y suggest to guide you to the re%lms where they
live. I person%lly think th%t the mutu%l visits between you %nd % spirit
you h%ve evoked is % sign of the most successful evoc%tion. In my
own experience, the meetings with spirits %re %s re%l %s %nything else
from our worldʼs re%lity when they h%ppened in the %str%l region.
When they come to our worldʼs re%lity during the evoc%tion, they
most often %ppe%r in their etheric forms. They %re observ%ble %nd
you c%n communic%te with them, but you need to be lucid %nd %t
le%st slightly influenced by their energy. But the evoc%tion is %lw%ys
m%gic%l %nd if it is successful you will %lre%dy find the best w%y of
communic%tion with the evoked spirit spont%neously. When they %re
in our worldʼs re%lity, most often they %re in the etheric pl%ne, which
is the densest p%rt of the %str%l region, which %lso me%ns th%t we
need to r%ise our conscious just % bit in order to see them properly.
Some he%ds of the E%rth Zone te%ch %bout other pl%nets. So, it c%n
%lso h%ppen th%t they decide to guide us to Mercury, Venus, the Sun
or other pl%net%ry spheres. For ex%mple, when I evoked Bek%ro for
the first time, I spent % few hours with him on M%rs, which I did not
expect %t %ll bec%use I thought he w%s to te%ch me %bout the fire
element. Bek%ro introduced me there to some M%rti%l spirits. At the
end I le%rned something there %bout the fire element but from M%rsʼ
perspective.

13. F%lcon Books: With reg%rds to the prep%r%tion of the m%gic circle
in evoc%tion, B%rdon offers % number of ex%mples of how this c%n be
performed. How best would you %dvise someone to prep%re the
m%gic circle for the first time?

Nen%d Djordjevic Telerm%n: Fr%nz B%rdon required from us the

perfect underst%nding of the m%gic circle, but w%s quite flexible
%bout how we c%n use it. I c%n spe%k here only %bout my own
person%l experiences. If you evoke % spirit for the first time, dr%w %
circle %round you with % ch%lk. Write inside the circle rel%ted Divine
n%mes %nd %rch%ngels. The s%me n%mes you write in the circle, you
will %lso mention in your conjur%tions. In my book, I suggested rel%ted
Divine n%mes %nd n%mes of %rch%ngels for e%ch of the 360 he%ds of
the E%rth Zone. It is import%nt to h%ve them included within the
circle, not so much bec%use of protection, but more in order to
%ttr%ct their %ttention. We do not w%nt to %ttr%ct some r%ndom spirits
during our evoc%tions. If you invite your friend for % visit, you most
prob%bly would not like to be visited by %n unknown person from the
street who is %lso pretending to be your friend. Some spirits like to
f%ke their identity for one re%son or %nother. Besides the circle, it is
very import%nt to h%ve the right sigil. In l%ter evoc%tions of the s%me
spirit you will most prob%bly not need to dr%w % physic%l circle on the
floor %round you %ny more, but you will %lw%ys need to h%ve the right
sigil. The sigil is the %ncient sign of recognition. The spirit might not
he%r your conjur%tion, but he will know th%t you w%nt to see him once
he observes his sigil by your side. And %lw%ys do remember to light
the c%ndle, %t le%st when you evoke inside.

14. How import%nt do you feel underst%nding the symbology of the

circle %nd tri%ngle is in order to perform evoc%tion successfully?

Nen%d Djordjevic T%lerm%n:  I think th%t Fr%nz B%rdon perfectly

expl%ined the me%ning of the circle %nd tri%ngle. And he %lso %sks us
to h%ve perfect underst%nding of both in order to h%ve successful
evoc%tions. Rel%ted to the tri%ngle, some rules should be %pplied no
m%tter if we h%ve it visu%lised or physic%lly dr%wn on the floor. The
tri%ngle is the pl%ce where the spirit is going to %ppe%r in your room
%s your guest, so try to m%ke it l%rge %nd comfort%ble. The he%ds of
the E%rth Zone %re mighty spirits, so you c%nnot re%lly expect them
to feel nice if you %rr%nged for them % few inchesʼ wide tri%ngle.
Prob%bly, they will ignore you %nd think th%t you %re disrespectful. If
they still %greed to come, they would then for sure ignore your
tri%ngle %ltogether %nd sit somewhere else. In my book, I suggested
speci%l tri%ngle %rr%ngements %nd offerings for e%ch of the 360
he%ds. As %bove-so below: try to tre%t your he%d the s%me w%y %s
you would tre%t your hum%n friend. Offer them % ch%ir to sit %nd %t
le%st % gl%ss of w%ter.

15. I wonder if you could sh%re with us your first experience of

performing m%gic%l evoc%tion:

%. How did it differ from working with the element%l re%lms?

Nen%d Djordjevic T%lerm%n: Element%ls %re truly f%nt%stic cre%tures.

Their kings %nd queens %re for ex%mple the best experts of their
rel%ted elements. So, if you w%nt to le%rn something b%sic %bout the
w%ter element, the best option would be then to %sk some undine for
help. M%ny of them %re incredibly sensitive. I %m often %fr%id th%t I
might %ccident%lly hurt them when I see them. One of them, % w%ter
spirit, told me th%t she w%s not h%ppy. When I %sked her why not, she
s%id th%t she only h%d three m%rbles, while her girlfriend h%d more
th%n ten. They c%n sh%re m%ny innocent stories like th%t. They %re
very pl%yful %nd pure souls.

There %re %ll possible kinds of s%l%m%nders. Some of the tiniest %re
%tt%ched to the c%ndle fl%mes. They %re e%ger to %ct especi%lly when
the c%ndles %re used in the love m%gic ritu%ls. Some fiery spirits %re
very mighty. M%l%ch% c%n, for ex%mple, help the m%gici%n become %
friend with % powerful roy%l f%mily of fiery dr%gons. One of the most
import%nt fiery spirit is Aftif, % high priest of the Fire Temple, who h%s
% very friendly %ttitude tow%rds hum%n beings %nd some hum%n
priests %re under his supervision. Lurchi h%s % very joyful comp%ny of
subordin%te spirits who %re represent%tives of the most c%refree %nd
ple%sur%ble %spects of the fire element. They live in % very rom%ntic
region of the E%rth Zone. Lurchiʼs settlements %re frequently visited
by other spirits, not only bec%use of their be%uty. By mere w%lking
through Lurchiʼs fields, they would immedi%tely reg%in %ddition%l
sources of energy %nd vit%lity.

Eight import%nt sylphs %re mentioned by Fr%nz B%rdon: P%r%him,

Apilki, Erkey%, D%lep, C%pisi, Drisophi, Glisi, %nd C%rgoste. Fr%nz
B%rdon %cknowledged th%t he h%d not h%d much success with them,
so he suggested evoc%tions of the he%ds whose f%culty w%s the %ir
element inste%d. On the other h%nd, it is known th%t P%r%celsus,
Socr%tes, Psellos, Abbé de Vill%rs, Benvenuto Cellini %nd some other
people from the present %nd p%st m%n%ged to m%ke friends with
sylphs. For inst%nce, Cellini wrote in his di%ry th%t his f%vourite %rt
model w%s % very be%utiful sylphide. When you see sylphs, try to
rel%x %nd enjoy their quickness, intelligence %nd unpredict%bility. You
will typic%lly become first %w%re of them when you he%r their silvery
voices. P%y them respect, show friendly feelings to them %nd st%te
wh%t you would like to get from them. They c%n help you write poetry,
te%ch you %bout other %rts, give you the gift of prophecy %nd m%ke
you c%p%ble to look into minds of other people.

The m%gici%n c%n evoke gnome kings in the n%me of Adon%i H%-
Aretz %nd Adon%i Melek, Shemh%mphor%sh %ngels Elemi%h %nd
H%h%si%h %nd %rch%ngels Uriel %nd S%nd%lphon. You m%y %lso recite
the Pr%yer of the Gnomes from Levi when you evoke % gnome king.
You need to introduce yourself to gnome kings, build % rel%tionship
with them %nd spend time le%rning %bout their kingdoms before you
go %sking for f%vours. Gnome kings %re often very mel%ncholic. They
donʼt t%lk much, but they %re very wise. Gnomes %nd dw%rves under
them %re very close to us, they %re truly e%rthy cre%tures. They c%n
help you le%rn to t%ke c%re of your fin%nces %nd other m%teri%l
goods. King Ghob is prob%bly the most f%mous gnome king. His
supreme re%gent on the %ngelic level is Phorl%kh. A few gnome kings
%re %lso mentioned by Fr%nz B%rdon: Mentifil, Ord%phe, Orov%,
Idur%h, Mus%r, Nec%s, Er%mi, %nd Andimo.

b. Did it meet your expect%tions?

Nen%d Djordjevic T%lerm%n: If you w%nt to exp%nd your

underst%nding of the four elements, it is best then to cooper%te with
both element%ls %nd rel%ted he%ds of the E%rth Zone %nd other
pl%net%ry spheres. Let me st%rt with the fire m%gic.

The following he%ds of the E%rth Zone %re responsible for the fire
m%gic:

1. Morech (1° Aries) – %ctive, impulsive %nd extreme knowledge

2. M%l%ch% (2° Aries) – the fire element on different pl%nes
3. Kosem (1° Leo) – fire in the E%rth Zone
4. Aluph (1°Scorpio) – fire on the physic%l pl%ne of the E%rth
5. Bek%ro (22° Aries) – s%l%m%nders
6. Mol%bed% (2° T%urus) – secrets of n%ture %nd sex
7. Nud%toni (2° C%ncer) – volc%noes %nd e%rthqu%kes
8. Ser%p (1° T%urus) – p%ssion
9. Lurchi (4° Aries) – love %nd we%lth
10. G%l%go (12° T%urus) – impregn%tion of %ur%
11. T%bb%t% (10° Leo) – Invulner%bility, especi%lly %g%inst the fire

There %re % number of he%ds of the E%rth Zone who %re gre%t
te%chers of w%ter m%gic. They help the m%gici%n become: successful
in love, become % gre%t he%ler, h%ve s%fe journeys on w%ter, control
the se% life %nd enjoy the comp%ny of the most m%rvellous w%ter
spirits.

The following he%ds of the E%rth Zone %re rel%ted to the w%ter
m%gic, their more precise f%culties %re %s follows:

1. El%mi (30° S%gitt%rius) – underground w%ters

2. T%bori (10° Aries) – secrets of the w%ter element
3. H%h%du (20° Aries) – undines
4. S%p%s%ni (30° T%urus) – se% s%lt
5. Hyris (19° Aries) – m%gic of w%ter %nd undines
6. Hipogo (20° Virgo) – ships
7. Hor%sul (29° Scorpio) – w%ter regul%tion
8. C%l%mos (29° T%urus) – se% life
9. Merki (28° Libr%) – fishing
10. Seneol (30° Gemini) – w%ter-sports
11. Dimurg% (10° S%gitt%rius) – tr%vel on w%ter
12. Irm%no (30° Scorpio) – controlling w%ter %nim%ls
13. An%di (28° Scorpio) – hydrother%py
14. C%l%ch% (30° Aries) – hydrother%py
15. Meg%logi (30° Libr%) – medic%l springs
16. Andr%chor (29° Leo) – m%gic%l w%ter
17. C%r%schi (10° Scorpio) – medic%l m%gnetism

The m%gici%n c%n le%rn % lot %bout the %ir m%gic from the following
he%ds of the E%rth Zone:

1. K%g%ros (7° Leo) – medi%tory principle of %ir

2. Pliroki (6° C%ncer) – mess%ge through the %ir
3. B%rnel (17° Aries) – love %nd music through the %ir element
4. M%geluch% (18° T%urus) – m%stering the %ir %nd w%ter
5. Rom%s%r% (8° Leo) – pr%n%y%m%
The following he%ds of the E%rth Zone %re rel%ted to the e%rth m%gic:
1. N%dele (24° Aries)
2. B%%lto (25° T%urus)
3. Ami% (18° C%pricorn)
4. K%mu%l (19° C%pricorn)
5. Yromus (25° Aries)

The he%ds of the E%rth Zone %re very friendly %nd they c%n te%ch the
m%gici%ns %ll wh%t they would like to know %bout: gnomes, finding
lost things, cryst%ls %nd precious stones, mining, %nd e%rth in
ceremoni%l m%gic %nd %lchemy. They inspire us to: l%ugh %nd h%ve %
good time; entert%in our friends with gre%t jokes, give %w%y gifts;
m%ke some money; le%rn how to s%ve %nd invest; t%ke c%re of
ecology; help gnomes in their h%rd work to preserve our pl%net;
cultiv%te friendship with our cryst%ls %nd stones %nd communic%te
with the suit of Pent%cles in t%rot. They %re closely rel%ted to
%rch%ngel Uriel, who is the gu%rdi%n of the e%rth element %nd the
m%ster behind secrets of m%nipul%ting the m%tter, %nd who
sometimes %ppe%rs %s % l%rge be%m of purple light.

[o. F%lcon Books: Is there %nything else you would like to %dd?

Nen%d Djordjevic Telerm%n: The 360 he%ds cover m%ny different

fields of m%gic from the E%rth Zone including: the four element%l
forces, n%ture, stones, flor%, f%un%, %griculture, food, f%mily,
educ%tion, liter%ture, love, sex, he%ling, music, sciences, religion,
technology, inventions, %rt, we%ther, justice, virtues, %lchemy,
phenomen%l m%gic, entert%inment, we%lth, k%rm%, %str%l m%gic,
ment%l m%gic, Ak%sh%, Divine Providence, etc. E%ch field of m%gic
consists of m%ny different subjects. All in %ll, the he%ds of the E%rth
Zone c%n te%ch hum%ns %bout 1500 different subjects %ltogether.
Some subjects %re simil%r to the ones from our worldʼs re%lity, but
others %re quite different. The be%uty of being % m%gici%n is th%t we
c%n %ttend their schools, le%rn their subjects %nd p%ss their ex%ms
while we %re still %live.

The he%ds of the E%rth Zone do not hide inform%tion, but c%n
sometimes give it under the se%l of secrecy.

I hope th%t one d%y people will get to know them better. This world
would become % much better pl%ce if there were more people willing
to cooper%te with them.
They will surely give you knowledge %nd skills, but they will %lso
expect you to be % better hum%n being %nd do your best to help
hum%nity grow.

If I m%y suggest our re%ders something %t the end. Be humble. Do not

show off with your knowledge. They will help you find some %m%zing
inform%tion %bout your origin. You m%y become % member of their
f%mily. M%ybe you will re%lise th%t you %re closely connected to
Olympi%n gods, Cherubim %ngels or some other mighty groups of
spirits. But even if th%t w%s the c%se, do not tell th%t to other people.
It is your secret. Do not s%y th%t you %re more speci%l th%n other
people. See yourself %s %n ordin%ry hum%n being. Do not comp%re
with others. You %re no cryst%l p%rent nor indigo child. Be norm%l. If
you do not cultiv%te norm%l hum%n virtues, the he%ds of the E%rth
Zone wonʼt bother to meet you. They will just ignore you. And be
c%reful with your new powers %nd le%rn how to control them!

At the end I would like to th%nk you T%ny% for your gre%t work of
spre%ding knowledge %nd wisdom in the world.

Th%nk you, Nen%d for this wonderful in-depth %nd insightful

interview.