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for neither we nor those of the Confederation would wish to be a stumbling block for any.
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Saturday Meditation
February 28, 2009

Question from L: In the Ra Material there is the use thoughts that resonate to you and leaving the rest
of the slash inbetween words and phrases, for behind. In this way we shall feel free to share our
instance, “mind/body/spirit complex,” “time/space” opinions without being concerned that we shall
and “space/time.” Two other examples are interfere with the natural progress of your spiritual
“light/love” and “love/light.” I understand that with walk. We thank you for this consideration.
the phrase “mind/body/spirit complex” each of those When one is attempting to speak to the heart of
words indicates a part of the whole. With meaning, one tends to chose one’s words carefully.
“time/space” and “space/time” I’m not quite sure When the subject is concerned with the nature of
about that. I don’t understand the significance of the fabric of that which we would call “reality,” for
why there are times when the word “time” comes lack of a better term, it sometimes presses the limits
before “space,” or the word “space” comes before of the language that is used in everyday life. It is
“time.” With “light/love” and “love/light” it seems difficult to find language which is precise within the
that both of those are parts of the whole or two sides confines of daily discourse.
of the same coin and I don’t understand why “light”
sometimes appears before “love” and “love” The terms that you mention, my sister, in your
sometimes before “light.” Can you help me with question are all truths which refer to elements of this
that? so-called reality which have a character that escapes
the confines of the words used normally to describe
(Carla channeling) them.
We are those known to you as the principle of Q’uo. To create a more complex response to your question,
Greetings, my friends, in the love and in the light of my sister, we note that slashes, that punctuation
the one infinite Creator, in whose service we come mark between words to which you refer, are not
to you this evening. It is our privilege and our used the same way in all applications. So we ask you
pleasure to be called to your circle of seeking. And to be patient with us as we take one term at a time.
we thank you for calling us. We are happy to speak
with you concerning the terms, “mind/body/spirit We would start with the term that was developed by
complex,” “love/light” and “light/love,” “time/space” those of Ra to describe and define a person, a human
and “space/time,” in which the slashes seem to loom being on Planet Earth in the third density of its
large. cycles. It would seem that the term “person” is
adequate to describe a human being. And yet, in
However, we would, as always, request of each of terms of spiritual and metaphysical things, it is an
you that you use your powers of discrimination as entirely inadequate term. For a person is not a
you listen to or read these words, selecting those physical being alone. A person is also a citizen of

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eternity, an imperishable and infinite being, full of The implications of the term are substantial and far
mystery, relating not only to Earth, but also to sky; reaching, and it is [because it is] an integral part of
not only to humanhood but also to divinity; not understanding human nature, shall we say, that we
only to that which can be seen but that which can wished to convey, and still do wish to convey, that
never be seen. this term was created and has been used by those
who have followed the group known as Ra in
The three terms are not used interchangeably, that
speaking with this group.
is, in any order, because the body is the creature of
the mind. The mind comes first in the complex The next set of terms we would wish to discuss is the
descriptor “mind/body/spirit complex.” The body set, “space/time” and “time/space.” And to discuss
comes next, for the body and the mind together this we would like to move back from the term into
create the earthly being. Only thirdly comes the a consideration of the nature of third density upon
term “spirit.” your planet.
And indeed the spirit is not an equal partner with The environment which you experience as third-
mind and body. Rather it is a shuttle from which density Earth is an environment which is highly
information and inspiration can flow from the polarized. The very fabric of third density sings of
metaphysical universe into the physical universe and polarity. As this instrument was discussing earlier
from the larger world of essences and beings of all today with the Live Chat group with whom it meets
descriptions to the awareness of you, the entity on each Saturday afternoon2, the central glyph of
within incarnation in third density. third-density space/time is the Star of David. That
With only mind and body you should be wholly a glyph is made up of two triangles or pyramids, the
creature of the Earth, just as are the mountains, the upward-pointing pyramid or the delta being the
flowers, and the animals. However, the gift of third male principle, the downward-pointing pyramid
density to the animal called human is that wondrous being the female. The female principle rests and
gateway of spirit that cannot be denied and that awaits the reaching of the male principle, which then
springs forth from every human heart to sanctify and covers the female principle, creating in that union
bless the experience of life and the hope of eternity. the shape of the Star of David.

In this application those slashes are as hyphens, used Wherever you look in third density there are
instead of hyphens because of the considerations of polarities. There are physical polarities such as male
this instrument and those within this circle of and female, light and dark, warm and cold. There
seeking that were responsible for the creation of the are moral polarities such as good and evil, positive
transcription of the original recordings of the and negative, radiant and magnetic. The learnings of
conversation between the one known as Don and third density have to do with choosing one of two
the group known as Ra.1 polarities of the ethical kind, service to others or
service to self, and in moving along the line of that
It was felt by those of Ra that since the questions of polarity, in accentuating it and accentuating it
who a person is and why a person is in the further, until you have, by polarizing, created
experience of life on Planet Earth were to be treated yourself as a person of power.
over a period of time, it was necessary to create a
term which would define itself, so that each entity It is against this backdrop that we would speak of
who became aware of the conversation would be able space/time and time/space. We wished to establish
to understand without further questioning how the this background before we spoke of the Reciprocal
ones known as Ra saw personhood. Consequently, System of Physics created by the one known as
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that term was created in order to replace the term Dewey. In questioning the Ra group concerning the
“person.” 2
Since early 2009, Carla has talked on www.bring4th’s Live
Chat from 3:00 to 5:00 p.m. with anyone who wishes to ask
her questions, from the second Saturday in September through
1
The use of forward slashes instead of hyphens stems from our the last Saturday in May.
3
familiarity with the forward slashes as used in the Reciprocal To see an introductory video on Larson’s reciprocal System,
System of Physics created by Dewey B. Larson. In his system go to http://rstheory.org/video/rs-101. To read about it, go to
velocity = space/time or time/space. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reciprocal_System.

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nature of reality the one known as Don used the Consequently, if we speak of space/time we are
language of the system of physics created by the one speaking of the everyday waking reality/illusion of
known as Dewey when asking his questions, and the third-density Planet Earth. When the term
ones of Ra responded accordingly. “time/space” is used, it indicates or refers to the
metaphysical universe. Within time/space the past,
Through this instrument we can only be general
present, future are a kind of globe, shall we say, for
about the nature of the system of physics known as
we wish to indicate a [three-dimensional] shape
the Reciprocal System. However, the central
rather than a flat shape such a circle. We wish to
equation of this system of physics is an equation that
indicate a living, rounded shape. Each incarnation
can be written in two ways, hence the term
that you experience is as a radius which always
“Reciprocal System.” V stands for velocity in this
points back to the center of that circle of
equation. S stands for space, and T, for time. The
incarnations. At the center of that globe is your soul
equation is written either, v=s/t or v=t/s.
stream, the collector of all experiences and the giver
Here my sister, the slashes are used as of all experiences to the one infinite Creator.
mathematicians use a slash, to indicate that one can
The terms “light/love” and “love/light” depend from
be divided by the other. The one known as Dewey
the terms “space/time” and “time/space.” When we
posited that there were two reciprocal creations that
of the Confederation speak of the one great original
depended from the nature of the fabric of
Thought of unconditional love which created all that
consciousness which he posited as v or velocity.
there is, we speak in terms of love/light. When we
In one way of looking at or experiencing the fabric speak of the manifested Logos, the seen worlds, we
of consciousness, the mismatch between space and are speaking of light/love.
time favors space. Because of this mismatch there is a
The energy from the one infinite Creator is sent
periodicity to this fabric of consciousness as if a
forth from the central sun to the heart of Planet
pointillist were painting a canvas and were creating
Earth. [It is] that energy which your beloved Mother
dots that, when looked at, becomes a field of color.4
gives back to you as the infinite flow of the Creator,
In the space time universe or the universe of s/t, the that moves from the feet upwards through the body
mismatch favors space. There is created an illusion and out the body through the top of the head. [We
in which space was a field and time was a river. In are] speaking of the energy body, you understand.
the metaphysical universe which is the reciprocal of We are speaking of light/love.
the physical universe, the mismatching of time and
There are profound understandings wrapped into
space favors time. And so consequently, in this
these terms, and we are glad to offer any follow-up
metaphysical universe time is the field and space is
queries that you may have, my sister. We are those
the river.
of Q’uo.
When entities speak of time travel they speak, in
everyday 3D terms, of a science fiction, an (Pause)
impossibility. However in the time/space or We are those of Q’uo, and as there is no follow-up
metaphysical universe it is the only way to travel, to the first query, we would ask if there are other
shall we say. For it is the field and space is that queries in the group at this time.
which flows. The inner planes of your illusion are
D: Yes, Q’uo, I had a question about crystals,
within time/space. Your thoughts, before they reach
specifically quartz crystals. When held in one hand a
the conscious, word-making process, are in
cool energy can be felt emanating from it. I was
time/space. Consciousness, that ground of being
wondering what this is doing to a person’s energy
which creates a unity of the universe, manifests in
field. Thank you.
time/space.
We are those of Q’uo, and are aware of your query,
my brother. The energy body of each of you is of a
crystalline nature. It is sensitive in the extreme and it
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To read more about this school of painters, whose chief is easily moved by the light which has been
proponent was Georges-Pierre Seurat (1859 - 1891), go to configured through other crystals. As the energy
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incarnation, where the energy body is strong it forms we would encourage each who uses crystals to be
sometimes quite complex crystals that are of fully aware of the effects of that crystal and to
surpassing beauty. monitor the self to be sure that there is not an
overdose, shall we say, of proximity or longevity of
The energy that moves through crystals such as
connection to the crystal.
quartz is light energy and, just like your energy
body, the crystalline body of the quartz receives light As an example we would offer this instrument. This
and transduces it in certain ways and sends it out as instrument may tolerate a generally offered crystal
a function of its being, not as an activity but as its such as the one in this particular room, which the
essence. one known as G and the one known as L gave to L/L
Research, with no ill effects whatsoever. However,
While it is clear from its effects that a crystal is
when this instrument received a so-called healing
active, it is not conscious in the way that you are
tree which was made of quartz, this instrument
conscious. It receives and sends light according to its
found it impossible to sleep in proximity to this
nature. When a crystal and a human being have
crystal in spite of the fact that it was much smaller
interacted over a period of time, a crystal can
than the crystal in the living room offered for general
become that which holds life, not of itself but as a
use. The intention of the healing crystal was such
thought form which is the gift of the consciousness
that it was not easily tolerated by this entity and to
of the human. And in that sense a crystal can
this day it remains at a safe distance from this
become highly individuated. However, of its own
entity’s sleeping quarters.
nature it is as it is, whereas the energy body of the
human is in constant flux. Do not assume that a crystal shall be helpful or
unhelpful, but rather experiment with it and build
The light sent forth in its regular configuration by a
your intelligence with personal experience.
quartz crystal, then, moves into the field of the
energy body and has certain healing characteristics The other consideration which might limit the
which interact in a complementary and helpful way usefulness of a quartz crystal in meditation is its
with those energies of the energy body which have shape. Often such crystals are crafted into pyramids,
become somewhat disorganized or weakened by and when crystals are in this particular shape they
virtue of there being a narrowing of the flow of the are more powerful because of the geometry of the
light/love of the infinite Creator through the energy energy field created by the shape. Such changes to
body. Consequently, the crystal has a tendency to be the crystal create a more powerful crystal. At the
a healing stone, as experienced by the person. same time that power can become toxic if kept
within the energy field over what in your time would
May we answer you further, my brother? We are
be 20 to 30 minutes.
those of Q’uo.
With those two caveats, my brother, the use of the
D: Yes. Is there any detrimental effect that could
quartz crystal in meditation is encouraged. May we
happen if a quartz crystal is used for meditation very
answer you further my brother?
often?
We are those of Q’uo, and are aware of your query, D: That’s very enlightening. Thank you
my brother. In general the tendency of the use of the We thank you, my brother. It is a marvelous thing
crystal for meditation is positive. We would make to be able to speak with you. May we ask if there is
two conditions upon that totally positive effect. The another query at this time? We are those of Q’uo.
first is that energy bodies, just as people in their
R: I have a follow-up question, Q’uo, on the
physical form, vary tremendously. What is meat and
terminology used by Ra in the Law of One. When
drink to one energy body will be poison to another.
the expressions “space/time” and “time/space” are
Consequently, there is no way to generalize when
used they refers to third-density consciousness. Does
speaking of the use of crystals.
the same reciprocal arrangement exist in fourth, fifth
The proximity of the crystal to the person and the and sixth densities?
duration of that time in which the crystal and the
We are those of Q’uo, and are aware of your query,
person are in close connection vary in terms of the
my brother. The terms of physical vs. metaphysical
optimal use from person to person. Consequently,

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or space/time vs. time/space are indeed those that Thought is the Creator of all that is, It remains Itself
hold sway throughout the densities. It must be an essence full of love. And in that way, my brother,
remembered however, my brother, that there is a you had the gist of it in saying that the love/light was
quantum difference between each density. Light beingness and light/love was activity. But it is the
itself changes, becoming more dense, and activity of the Creator and the beingness of the
consequently it is not a one-to-one ratio simply Creator, as opposed to the activity and the beingness
because apples are not oranges and third density of a person living in third density or indeed of
light is not fourth density light and so forth. ourselves.
However, with that understood we may answer in May we answer you further, my brother? We are
the affirmative. Yes, those distinctions hold sway those of Q’uo.
throughout the densities until such time as time and
R: Actually, I thought about it in those terms but I
space are no more, thought is no more, and all gifts
didn’t say it like that. So hearing you comment on it
are given, all harvests have been accepted, and the
helps me to get the better grasp. I will, however,
Creator sleeps once again in Its infinite mystery.
continue with one more question, which is about
May we answer you further, my brother? We are universes. It does not concern the terminology that
those of Q’uo. you have described. But, as you were speaking of the
densities reaching completion and the energy
R: Yes, if the instrument still has enough energy for
moving back into the Creator, I wanted to ask if the
more questions.
universes that exist beyond this one in which we are
We are those of Q’uo. This instrument is sufficiently experiencing our dance of the creation and the
energized to continue taking questions for some time beings in those universes interact or are aware of
yet, if there are indeed any questions in the group. each other in some way. I ask this question because I
We thank you for your infinite thoughtfulness am aware that in the information that came through
towards this instrument and praise you for it. We the Pleiadian contact with the one known as Billy
would ask then if there is another query at this time. Meier, the fourth-density entities that contacted him
We are those of Q’uo. were describing another universe with which they
R: I have a question about the expression of were able to interact. My thought was, is it possible,
love/light vs. light/love. I thought that perhaps from that philosophical standpoint, that one
love/light might refer to beingness or energy that is universe can interact with another while it is in
potentiated but not yet expressed while the use of progress, before it collapses back to the Creator?
the term “light/love” would indicate doing-ness or We are those of Q’uo, and are aware of your query,
action, energy that is expressed, light. Can you my brother. We may say that there is a problem in
comment on whether this is accurate? terminology betwixt the information from the one
We are those of Q’uo. We can comment, my known as Billy and the information which we offer,
brother, but cannot say precisely that you are in that to our understanding there is one universe at
accurate. Rather, we would say that you have a time and space, if we may use a pun.
something by the tail. You have the essence of it. The universe as a whole moves through the densities
There is, from the standpoint of the infinite Creator, and lives and then is completed as one universe.
as much action and essence in light/love as in There are certainly many of what you would call
love/light. distant experiences to yours within this universe.
From the standpoint of third density, in space/time The energies of one part of the universe do indeed
the light/love which is used to manifest all things in interact with others and there has been discussion of
the creation is builded of light/love rather than the possibility of those from the next octave being
love/light. However the activity of light/love is not able to move back into this octave from one reason
the activity of the human. Rather, it is the activity of or another. Of that we can say nothing for sure.
the light expressing its nature by creating rotations May we answer you further, my brother? We are
and gradations of rotation that develop the elements those of Q’uo.
of your universe. The love/light is instinct with the
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R: Then if I understand you correctly, consciousness are able to take advantage of this increased awareness
moves through one octave and then moves into the to alter the way energy works within your particular
following octave but the interaction between those inner world. Then the limitations of your
two is that about which you cannot really speak. Is environment are those chosen by you.
that accurate? The difference between one who is unconsciously
We are those of Q’uo, and my brother, you have it. limited in the inner life and one who is consciously
Is there a final query at this time? We are those of limited in the inner life is that the seeker who has
Q’uo. begun to penetrate the outer illusion and who knows
that he creates his reality is far more able to take
R: Not from me Q’uo, thank you
advantage of those times which seem so dislocating
G: Q’uo, I have a query. Often my experience takes and dreamlike, by molding that dream to match his
on the quality of a dream, where reality loses its hard hopes, his desires, and his intentions.
and linear edges and I sense a funny and joyful
May we answer you further, my brother? We are
weirdness about the contents of the moment. I look
those of Q’uo.
at myself, my environment, and I’m just baffled
sometimes, in a positive way, that any of it exists at G: I’ll try to be very brief. You said that the seeker,
all. I was wondering if this is symptomatic of when experiencing these dreamlike moments, could
awakening within the third-density illusion in take advantage of them by using the moment,
general, or is this more specific to the experience of molding the moment to his hopes, desires and
living on the cusp of the density change, or am I just intentions. I take it then that this can be effected
losing my mind? simply by stating, by affirming, by requesting that
which one seeks.
We are those of Q’uo, and are aware of your query,
my brother. Of those three alternatives, pleasant as We are those of Q’uo, and are aware of your query,
each may be to contemplate, we find that your first my brother. This is basically correct. There is an
supposition is correct. The universe and yourself element at such times of resting within the dream,
within the universe are far, far different and far less and appreciating the difference in the way life feels.
concrete than meets the waking eye or the The energies of such moments is that which is
unthinking mind. Truly, each entity is held in place indeed to be appreciated and it is not necessary to
not by gravity, but by his own set of parameters, self- use these moments. It is sufficient in some cases to
administered and self-perpetuating. enjoy and be present within them. However, these
are those moments of increased liquidity, where the
We are not saying that the physical laws of the
maturing seeker may begin to loosen the fetters
physical universe do not exist, for they do, my
which he has experienced binding him, yet loosening
brother, and to your great benefit. They create a
them in a way that is consonant with his ideas, his
stable illusion within which you may experience the
hopes, and dreams.
progress of a lifetime of experience and collect and
consider your experiences. May we answer you further, my brother? We are
those of Q’uo.
However, the inner life, the life of the spirit within,
is held in place at first by the tacit acceptance of G: No, we’ll let the instrument recoup and
what each other entity in the surrounding milieu conclude, and we all thank you, Q’uo.
accepts, and then by the perpetuation of that We are those of Q’uo, and my brother, we thank
acceptance. This instrument uses the phrase you. Indeed we thank each who came with questions
“thinking outside the box.” Within the inner life you this evening. And we thank all of those within this
begin with a box which consists of all the circle for the heady opportunity to share our humble
suppositions you have accepted as true. Within this thoughts. It has been a privilege and a pleasure, as
box are many systems and subsystems, all with their we said before, and we relish these times together.
perpetuating energy. As you begin to loosen yourself We thank you for allowing us to be of service in the
from the suppositions with which you began your way we have chosen. And we assure you that your
inner life, you gently and sometimes abruptly step beauty is astounding. We thank you for being those
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time, to pursue the truth, to behold beauty, and to

dwell in the precincts of love unconditional.
We are those known to you as the principle of Q’uo.
We leave you, as we found you, in the love and the
light of the one infinite Creator. Adonai. Adonai
vasu. 

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