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PART1) General overview of ECC88 types. (You are already here)

PART2) Tubes for sale.

The most frauded tube is ECC88. Tubes are re-labelled, retro-gold plated, re-branded and re-packed. I was offered them in
boxes of 100 from Slowenia, I had them here, but send the mess back. They looked great, but tested like any used but "ok"
tube. Look on Ebay what crazy prices are payed for empy 100 boxes outside carton of Telefunken, like 50 Euro. That pays off,
to make a 100pcs box look real, and get 15.000 Euro for it. If you prefer the illusion of being Mr. Lucky on internet auctions,
they are waiting for you there. Read also here about LASER FAKED diamonds in the tube bottom.

. Normal Ratings Maximum ratings

1) DO NOT USE THIS DATA AS DESIGN DATA.

USE ORIGINAL datasheets
Gm Ua Ig,o
If Rp Uf Pa Ug Ia Noise Uh-k. Heater to Cathode. Also read here
Europe USA Uf (Ma/V) Gain (V) (uA)
(mA) Ohm (V) (W) (V) mA (mV)
Read below, how to connect the voltmeter. Eech test
must be in between following limits:

6DJ8 6,3V
ECC88 365 . . . . 1,8 -50 130 25 . . ok between +50 and -150 V

E88CC
6922 6,3V 300 . . . . 1,5 -100 220 20 . . ok between +60 and -120 V

E188CC 7308 6,3V 335 . . . . 1,65 -110 250 22 . . ok between +60 and -120 V

PCC88 7DJ8 7,0V 300 . . . . 1,8 -50 130 25 . . Version of ECC88 only for Televisions.

PCC188 7,0V 300 Version of ECC88 only for Televisions.

6N1P - 6,3V 600+/-50 . . . 5,5...7 2,2 . 300 20 1,0 100 ok between +100 and -250 V

ok between +120 and -250 V . This is a jewel. The

VI Version is balanced and matched, per
6N1P-VI - 6,3V 600+/-50 . . . 5,5...7 2,2 . 300 25 0.5 80
datasheet specification.

6N1P-EB
ok between +120 and -250V. Low noise version of
(=6N1P- - 6,3V 600+/-25 . .. . 6...6.6 2,2 . 250 25 0.2 50
6N1P.
EV)

5,5...7 150
6N23P - 6,3V 310+/-25 . . . 1,8 -200 300 20 0.2 ok between +150 and xxx V

6N23-EV - 6,3V 310+/-25 .. . . 6...6.6 2,0 -220 300 20 0.15 75 ok between +200and xxx V

Special attention needed: This tube excist as normal grid tube and as frame grid tube. The frame grids have generally better parameter stability, lower noise
and lower hum. These are the later technology, and also a technology only very few could make. Frame grid wires can be as thin as 10um, which is
technologically speaking a masterpiece of fine mechanics. The frame grid wire is so thin, when you open up a defective tube, you cannot see it with the bare
eye. To give you an idea, the size of a large bacteria is 5um. When frame grid tubes, we write it in the description.

The Russians made very special quality grade 6N1P-EB. This is a much improverd version of ECC88 made, with higher voltage capabilities, higher plate
dissipagtion, and better in many many ways. However, they bias not as trhey shouls in all circuits, and have slightly lower gain. These have lower noise, and
less distortion. Mind you they draw twice the heater current. So you may be able to use them in a ECC88/E88C ciruit, but first verify this with the seller of the
amplfier, or try it at your own responsibility.

Is your ECC88 microphonic? Try the DUENDE tube rings we sell. This may help you more than changing tubes. The Duende dampers are GUARANTEED
to give an audible improvement. We have Money-back guarantee on those. Also you should try the Svetlana types 6N1P. The ones we sell, are "EB", also
when not specified like this, it's what they are.

Is your ECC88 humming or making noise? When no, then skip this text. Used tubes of this type generally have more hum and noise. In many problem
cases, the ECC88 is not used correct. Even with top-name amplifier manufacturers we see the same old errors, resulting from arrogancy, like not reading a
datasheet. (reading datasheets in DETAIL seems to be a "no no" when somebody has some decades of experience. Strangely so, but I see it over and over
again. When you refer to finest datasheet details, they say they don't need to know, they have already "30 years experience". Well, I think experience and
detailed product knowledge is the same! Anyway, not reading the datasheet may work with most tubes, but not with all. The negative result is, end users
have to swap tubes all of the time, and desparately try to draw conclusions from this. The next three boxes are a short overview of the most important thing
to check, in case of a problem. Only do these measurements inside your amplifier, when you have experience with this. Leave it up to a technician
otherwise.

Low Noise types: Use 6N1P-EB or original NOS Tesla E88CC gold grid version.

1) Heater to Cathode: (Called Uh-k)Test with DC Voltmeter: Red Lead Pin4, and Black lead on Pin3 and Pin8. (see llimits in above table). This is a very
critical one, and can cause a good tube to get defective, or give hum, sparks or other noise, when exceeded.

Also read here

2) Anode voltage: (Called Ua) Test with DC Voltmeter between Pin 1 and 3, and between Pin 6 and 8. (see limits in above table)

3) Filament voltage: (Called Uf)Test with Voltmeter between Pin 4 and 5. Set it on AC, and if nothing is read, set it on DC. (see limits in above table)

BIG QUESTION: WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ECC88 and E88CC? Here are the possible answers, only ONE answer is correct. If you don't
know the answer.... Read this table from the beginning. Hehe ;)

Gold Grid with some of the TESLA E88CC. Click here

Detailed Test report, comparing E88C JJ with TESLA NOS . Click here.

EHX new production 6922 under the microscope. Click here.

NOS Supply situation:

Not good. The only NOS that can be found still is Philips ECG, and Tesla. All others are gone, gone, gone. Folks, both TESLA and PHILIPS ECG are the
finest NOS tubes you can buy at the moment, for a reasonable price. TESLA is even a frame grid tube!

PART1) Back to general overview of ECC88 types.

PART2) Tubes for sale. (You are already here)

How these tubes are tested

FAQ Frequently Asked Questions Last modified 03/27/2023 04:01:29

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Tube Condition Qty. EURO

.Made in Holland. White boxes. Sorry, only one tube left. Check also next item, below here. NOS 1 65€

Amperex

Brimar New appearance, very nice and clear print. Test very good. Used 2 18€

ECC88 Elektronska Industri, former Yugislavia. Factory does not excist anymore: Original yellow-blue
NOS 13 22€
EI boxes. Made on Philips machines.

NOS
National, made in USA. original box 1 45€

E188CC / 7308
National

These tubes are boxed and branded "National" USA. Note, National was a tube re-branding
company of very good reputation. They were supplied with first class tubes by the
manufacturers, and the country of origin is always printed on the tubes. So with them, what you
NOS
E188CC / 7308 pay is what you get. This pair has printed on the glass: "Made in Yugoslavia". Meaning they are 150€ for
original box 1 Pair
"National" but EI tubes. This is confirmed by the construction, there is the characteristical A-Shaped getter the pair
made by EI holder inside, and more details. Now that EI is closed since 2014, prices of EI tubes are
expected to soar. (For a true happened story, read the world of NOS )

Used, but
ECC88 Made in Holland. Clear white print like new, from spare equipment. Some tubes from equipment look and test 30€ /
9
Philips Holland are sometimes actually never used. These appear like that. like new Each

Perfect quality, good boxes. Made in USA.

JAN tested, for higher reliability. JAN Testing is a military proces for lot qualification, which
makes sure that weak production series will not pass as a whole. This is a very hard way of
testing, since "good" tubes must still be rejected when they come from a production series where
too many have failed the JAN tests. So you take samples, you overload them for a certain time,
and when too many fail the whole lot is rejected. Now of course manufacturers could still sell NOS
See
such tubes on the commercial market, but the military refused to take those. This is the reason original box Stock
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why JAN tested tubes are so often agvailable as commercial tubes also!! JAN was the first
6922 choice, the rest got sold commerically.
Philips
Done so in 1985 when these were made, but JAN testing is still used for semiconductors as well.
Order Number:
114-096-33 Read more about JAN TESTING here.

Perfect quality, good boxes. On the tube glass is

acid branded "made in USA" These test
absoluetely excellent, strong emission and close
NOS
to datasheet values. See
original box 50
pricelist
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E88CC/6922 / RCA

Order Number:
114-095-90

ECC88
Made in Germany. Original orange box NOS 2 55€
Siemens

6DJ8
Nice green stamps. White box . Test good. Used 1 11€
Sylvania

Gold pin tubes. Original boxes. Tube nr 2 + 3 from the left, on the picturel This tube is
something like ECC88. Not directly compatible to ECC88, so a secret tip if you can design your NOS 2 25€
won circuits.

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ECC8100
Telefunken

Same as above, but printing is damaged, and white box. NOS 1 15€
ECC8100
Telefunken

Original box. <> Bottems, made in Ulm, Germany, with factory

series numbers on the tubes. Excellent NOS. These come with Amplitrex computer test report.
That is: All tube data there is, including gain, Gm, Plate impedance, grid leakage, etc, and
compare it against "must be" values. From this you will see, these are TOP CLASS NOS tubes.
For a pair, order two pieces, they are automatically packed as matched pairs if you do so.
Please note with some (not with all) the print text has suffered somewhat from storage. It is not
much but we have to say it.

What is best, we had a small lot, and

we have been able to select them all
in perfectly balanced and matched
pairs. This is not normal for E88CC,
test values can vary widely, and you See
E88CC have to take them as is. However, not Stock nornal
NOS
Telefunken with those! They test all at 15mA, pricelist.
with grid voltage variation of less than
Order Number: 0,2 Volt !!
114-133-88

JUST A FEW
PAIRS LEFT.

Here is a Link to all test reports. So you can see it yourself. You can order any pair you like, as
long as we have it available. They are pre-selected in pairs. So if you order for instance tube #4
from this list, it is pre-matched with tube #8. If you want a single you can only take the ones we
have, we cannot break up a pair for it.

Interesting detail with the tube box. When it writes on there "ECC88, 1" as you see on the picture
here this means this tube was made in Germany, indicated by the number "1". Number "2" would
mean outside Germany. This was told to me by a retired Telefunken Ulm Employee, so I think
this is very reliable information.

Click for high resolution picture here. Gold Grid Version. High Quality tubes from the Prague
factory (Code32) . Original old blue boxes. These were made for the military, as you can see
from the sword signs on the back side of the tube. This is probably the best ECC88 ever made.
It is fully equivalent to the Telefunken ECC88 apart from the <> sign, and of course these TESLA
have gold pins, which the Telefunken have not. For the rest every little detail is identical. This
batch had very good values.

The order numer 114-038-92 is for a Matched + balanced PAIR, with printed Amplitrex test NOS
report. So all four systems of this pair are the same. original box

These are no JJ Tubes! Read some more about TESLA Tubes. Order nr for
See
a matched
Stock nornal
and
E88CC pricelist.
balanced
Tesla
pair:

Order Number: Gold Grid Information. Click here

114-038-92
114-038-92

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