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Obituary Reference . . . . . . . . 1

Oral Answers to Questions :

♦Starred Questions Nos. 43 to 46 and 48 . . . a—27

Short Notice Question No. I . . . . . . 28—44

Written Answers to Questions :

Starred Questions Nos. 41,42,47 and 49 to 60 . . • 44—59

Unstarred Questions Nos. 334 to 448 and 450 to 512. . . 49—209

Correcting statement to USQ No. 9520 dated 9-5-74. . . 209—210

Re. Issuing o f certain ordinances........................................... 211—213

Papers Laid on the T a b l e ............................................ 213—220

CommittJje on Private Members' Bills and Resolutions :

Foi^y-second R e p o r t ...............................................................220

Railway Convention Committee :

t First R e p o r t ..............................................................220

Business Advisory Committee:

Forty-Fourth Report..............................................................220—022

Motion of No-Confidence in the Council o f Ministers :

Shri C. M. S te p h e n ........................................................ 222—233
Shri Jagannathrao Joshi........................................................ 234—245
Shri Chandrajit Yadav.....................................................245—254
Shri L. N. M i s h r a ........................................................ 254—273
Shu* G. Viswanathan.....................................................273—281
Shri H. K. L. B h a g a t........................................................ 281—288
Shri Piloo M o d y ..................................................... 288—399
Shri Yeahwantrao C h a ra ft............................................ 299—311
Shri Janeshwar Mishra.................................................... 311—336

•The sign *f marked above the name o f a Member indicates that the question
was actually asked on the floor o f the House by that Member.
 LOK SABHA DEBETES

LOK SABHA ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS

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MR. SPEAKER: I have to inform fa # s P T fa T s w =rr
the House of the sad demise of Shri
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Hare Krishna Konar, who passed away
at Calcutta on the 23rd July 1974,
at the age of 59. (»?) rrr^ t srfr fa<m
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Shri Konar was General Secretary »rpnrr *r *nfr-
of the All India Kisan Sabha and a ?rrf*wT T?r fajrfa k n 'p f s
member of the CPI(M) Central Com­ ■«Tisr ^ w fa* T f ?
mittee He had all along been a front
rank worker of the Kisan movement
He was also Land Revenue Minister rTOT VTiVF ftpffHT
m the West Bengal Government in if r m m fa m fort): (w)
1969 In his death the country has
t o t * ^ su srfar^n % *rnsrr
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lessly for the cause of the toiling *nfari*f. sr^wrr weft v Twm %
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<7 Oral Answers 3VLY 2ft, tQ74 Oml Aum *n 9

News »w » Os»tfc»ed 'le W Ml*© SHRI NIHAR LASKAR; Is he at

Leader in China” the moment on the Indo-Burma bor­
der—in Arakan?
+
*44. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR: SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT:
SHRI TARUN GOGOI: We have no definite information on
that.
Will the Minister of HOME AF­
FAIRS be pleased to state: SHRI TARUN GOGOI: May I
know from the hon. Minister whether
(a) whether the attention of Gov­ the underground activities have not
ernment has been drawn to the press been contained and it has increased
reports dated 21st May, 1974 under and the undergrounds are regrouping
the heading “Rebel Mizo Leader in to make an offensive against the estab­
China” ; lished Government?

(b) whether the Mizo Leader refer­ SI£RI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT:
red to therein Jtyad two rounds of talks After the fairly large number of sur­
with the Mizoram Chief Minister ear­ renders by the end of 1972, the State
lier this year; and Government felt encouraged to take
a policy of giving them a better op­
(c) if so, the reaction of Govern­ portunity of discussion or dialogue or
ment thereto? create an opportunity for more peo­
ple to surrendti, particularly, the
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN 1HE modei ^i e elements in the under­
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS ground Then, there was an inforami
(SHRI F H MOHSIN.): (a) Yes, Sir disvUMcm with the State authorities
and the Mi/o undeijriound leaders m
(b) and (c). Government are aware Febiuary 1973 but there was no clear
of the informal exchange of views indtc ition of their mmd. Subsequent­
between the political leaders m Mizo­ ly, the position remained more or less
ram and some of the Mizo under­ as it was and the status quo was
ground personnel with a view to per­ maintained. In February 1974 again
suading the underground to give up some informal discussion of a more
their futile path of violence. Govern­ serious character took place. Again,
ment, however, have no confirmed in­ tho leaders of the underground did
formation that the Mizo rebal leaders not toive any indication of then mmd
had visited China or had met Pakis­ and t h e y went on insisting that they
tani representatives m China. would give an indtcation or make
clear their intention to the Central
SHRI NIHAR LASKAR: I would Government only. Several attempts
bke to know whether it is a fact— of discussion, of dialogue in order to
because there is a press report m this And as to what exactly they* want
regard—that the Mizo leader, Mr. Lai really did n<?t end in any easing of
Dinga, is at the moment in Arakan the situation: Recently, the situation
area on the Indo-Burma border and ha* not only not improved but is
is trying to have a very big offensive rather moving towards deterioration
m the monsoon time in the Mizoram and, in the circumstances, I think we
area and if so, how do Government will be compelled to review our policy
propose to counteract’ this offensive. in the matter.

THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: I would

FAIRS (SHRI UMA SHANKAR like to know whether the attention of
DIKSHIT): The forces there are in tlie hon. Minister has been drawn to
full alert and any such development a news report that the rebel Mizo
will be met with gerioug and adequate leader, Lai Denga, is likely to enter
response. Mizoram with some of the rebels said
9 Oral Answers SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) Oral Answers io

if so, what is the truth about it and SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT:
ii there is any truth, what steps have There is a hard core among the
been taken to stpp their entry into under grounds who have been taking
Mizoram? a very unreasonable attitude and al­
though their following has been
SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT: dwindling, the hard core is still in­
It is not as if at some particular place sisting on their old basic approach of
we have to make some specific asking for a completely independent
arrangements. The entire bordei State.
area is guarded by the Border Secu­
rity Forces and other forces of the SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Is it
not a fact that the different Central
State and the Central Governments.
forces including the Army, the Border
SHRI S. M BANERJEE: I wanted Security Force and the CRP have
to know whether Lai Dengh has real­ been creating havoc in Mizoram area
ly tried to enter this area illegally. for the last so many years and as a
result* the people are resetting very
He never saw eye to eye with the
ruling government I wanted to know much the central action in that con­
text As a result the people are re­
whether this news was correct or not.
senting the Central action very much
SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT: Will the hon. Minister constitute an
We have no information. inquiry by a parliamentary commit­
tee to see as to how the Mizoram
SHRI S. M. BANERJEE. It looks people are treated by the CRP and
as though the Minister does not read BSF’
newspapers. SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT:
There has been no such information
SHRI MOINUL HAQUE CHOU- m our possession If at all these
DHURY: May I know from the hon. forces have recently taken action, it
Minister whether the son of the Chief was perhaps unduly moderate action.
Minister of Mizoram has joined the In any case the information which the
lebels? hon. Member alleges is baseless and
incorrect
MR. SPEAKER: It has nothing to
do with the main question. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: This
hon. Minister is very good at mislead­
SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT: ing the people; he is a habitual offen­
Yes, Sir, that is correct. der. Last session I saw him apologise
to the House perhaps three times. He
SHRI D BASUMATARI: I want
should give correct facts. I am cau­
to know why even after the grant of tioning him. There is a reign of ter­
statehood and a Territorial Council, ror in Nagaland and Mizoram
the Naga and Mizo vebels are not
happy. May I know whether the MR SPEAKER: Next question.
Government suspect the hand of any Shri Hazra.
outside power or outside help for
these undergrounds and if so, whether
Smuggling of Films to Foreign
it has been found out. countries
SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT: *45. SHRI MANORANJAN HAZRA:
The hon. Member refers to Nagaland Will the Minister of INFORMATION
Whereas the question is about Mizo. AND BROADCASTING be pleased to
ram. state:
SHRI D. BASUMATARI: I have (a) whether Government are aware
put a combined question of both Naga that a large number of films are beixig
.and Mizo underground rebel*. smuggled out ?o foreign countries and
 XI Oral Answers JULY 24, 1974 Oral Answers 12

illegally shown there even before they ligence. In 1972 alone, upto October,
are released in India; and they seized nine films which means
110 reels valued at about Rs. 86,000.
(b) if so, what steps Government In November 1972 again they seized
have taken to check this type of illegal a film in ten packages the value of
txado in films? which was assessed at Rs. 3.48'lakhs.
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE The Customs Inteligence is very vigi­
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND lant on this.
BROADCASTIING (SHRI DHARAM
BIR SINHA): (a) and (b). The SHRI MONORANJAN HAZRA: My
Enforcement authorities have been second supplementary is: will the hon.
taking action against the smuggling of Minister satisfy this House by reply­
films. Wherever possible, assistance of ing my question whether the film
foreign governments and their agen­ ‘Bobby’ was smuggled into South
cies is sought. Africa? In that connection even the
name of thcl Minister was involved in
SHRI MANORANJAN HAZRA: In it. Tell us whether it is true or not.
answer to Q. 45, the hon. Minister has
given the reply. In connection with
SHRI 1. K. GUJhAL: We did notice
his reply I want to know this. Has
in the papers saying that the film
the cooperation of he Government of
Afghanistan, Nepal and Iron been ‘Bobby' was smuggled to South
Africa. We have referred the matter
sought because of the fact that the
laboratory facilities are being given to to the Revenue Intelligence to look
into this and get at the facts So far
smugglers to print Indian films il­
legally? This is my first supplemen­ as mentioning my name by some per­
son is concerned, I treat the matter
tary.
with the contempt it deserves.
THE MINISTER OF INFORMA­
TION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI SHRI R S. PANDEY: Mr. Tariq
I K GUJRAL) He refers to Nepal, was t’ie Chairman of the Impec. May
Afghanistan and Iran. Some of them I k n o w whether it is true that when
have and some of them do not have Mr. Tariq was Chairman for sometime
laboratory facilities. Nepal docs not in the Films Promotion Corporation,
have. Afghanistan does not have it h' has submitted any report regard­
either. Iran has very developed ing the malpractice with regard to
laboratory facilities. But it will b e the smuggling of films into the
unfair to mention these countries as foieign countries? Secondly, after
a whole in this context. We have printing of certain films produced
been seeking the cooperation of those here, certain prints were left there
countries and they have also been and then smugled to different coun­
very cooperative. For instance when tries. This way they earned some
v.e came to know recently that a film foreign exchange but that is not re­
was smuggled to Afghanistan we mitted to this country.
brought it to the notice of that Gov­
ernment and Afghanistan Government SHRI I. K. GUJRAL: It is a fact
not only stopped it, they also confis­ that Mr. Tariq was the Ch0 trman of
the Indian Motion Picture Export
cated the film and they are taking
Corporation. Also it is a fact that
legal action against the suspected when Mr. Tariq laid down the office,
smugglers. Whenever we come to he demanded that some inquiry
know of any smuggling we do take should be held into the working of
immediate action. The help of Revenue the Impec of which he was the Chair­
Intelligence is taken for this purpose man for five years and the Board of
and action is taken. I have got a Directors has aaid that the inquiry
statement, here with me which gives should be held. The Government has
the details of the films seized on va­ initiated action and a preliminary in*
rious occasions by the Customs Intel­ qulry i« now being held.
13 Oral Answers SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) Oral Answers

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^^rpcr^f^tr ^ %qr^r ^ q rfw :
SimpUficatltm of Procedure to Advance
^ | far ^ s r r ^ r -^ fa?*fa*r Loans to Sdwisled Tribes by Co­
^ w vrr *t# «ft i grsr 3 *r aft operatives
«T 'STTrrrft CRT SPfrr far f p f o *46. SHRI NAWAL KISHORE
% *rr far?fr srr^tft % SINHA: Wdl the Minister of HOME
<rcfa*r * * w % arrt n i??w nrd AFFAIRS be pleased to state:
it ^ c t t , a * *5 t^ rn rT t ^rnrTft i
(a) whether the Commisgioner iov
Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tri­
«ft g*ra w** TOprra bes has reported that the Scheduled
*rft t % *r^F % Vf^x ITFnr # Tnbes perfer money-lenders to co­
operatives because the latter have
s r f t f f f % ? T ^ 5m 7fsr^r^fi- srr cumbersome and time-consuming
%T*ft *r> sr? <w% «n: ^ vsrr procedure to advance loans; and
'*n?n # ^ *?t *rr»r w?><pr %ztt5t tt (b) if so, the reaction of Govern­
ment thereto and the steps taken t*
t , 5*ftf?pT sftorsfftr ^aprt i look into these complaints’
^t*t yft ?V~w r ^ %farcr Tpr^p-
^Tif fa#T *33T^ srr i f t f ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
¥?« *n? *r# f fa* w f a r ^ ^tptt w ?- AND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF
^p- ^ W f ^ ^ offt 5TTgr *gr PERSONNEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS
VT?i 3TTT ? MIRDHA). (a) A Study Team of the
office of the Commissioner for Schedul­
fTTfo %o ipFTRT : ed Castes and Scheduled Tribes was
^■R- *r? t fa: fsrcrfr f a p ir f ^ irnr
given these reasons by ‘Sauras’ of
Gunupur Sub-Division of Koraput
s srrfr t d*r *r>grr frvr srfr District, Orissa and the tnbals of
$R ^ r f f fa *# t£FT<fl£ vft 3T?% %far?T Panch-Mahals District Gujarat, for
their preference to the money lender
w r far?r=r' TT^rcf^ f r Tfr t , vr (b) The whole auestion of Credit jn
sflr ^rrsnr sttr *r 1 1 5 <r faq Tribal areas has been examined by a
Study Group of the Ministry of Agri­
&\ sptfarsr fT r| £ ft: tr^r ^3R?t faj?^ sc culture and they have recommended a
w<ff*sR sRff 5jTrr ?rrfar ^ ^nq^rsR simplified credit and marketing struc­
% ^rfVq »TT^7rr TT3HTq^ ap>^ T»raffr *P3 T ? ture for Tribal areas which will cater
I to the needs of the Tnbals including
credit for production, consumer needs
*m ? r ^ r n : % fanrrq? sp-k tfV as also for social purposes. The State
Governments have been requested to
f W sft^ | f^nrspr ^nrm arr |, adopt this model for preparation of
^ i', 5iw? schemes for Integrated Tribal Develop­
v6t % v m faf?^ W err ij# ^rr ment Projects, which will cover all
areas with more than 50 percent tribal
concentration.
ljl Oral Answert JULY 24, 1074 Oral Answert 16

dB&I NAWAL KZSH0HS SINHA: productive purposes, but so tar as tri­

Bat vtew of the fact that what the com. bals are concerned they have suggest­
mlsdoner says for these two States is ed that the rules should be liberalised
<01 Well said for some other States also to take care of their consumption
Of which we have personal experience, needs as well as social needs so that
WiU Government take Into considera­ their total credit requirements are
tion the reasons which he has given met and they are not left to the mercy
for the preference of the Adibasis to of the moneylenders. These recom­
moneylanders as compared to the co­ mendations of the Study Group are
operatives? The reasons which the with the State Governments, and
commisioner had given are as follows. while formulating schemes for the tri­
He says that the findings are startling, bal development areas I hope they
that they prefer to take loans from will be taken into consideration.
moneylenders who charge 150 per cent
p.a. to 600 per cent p.a. interest as SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SINHA'
compared to 9| per cent rate of in­ Will the scheme which the hon. Minis­
terest per annum charged by the co­ ter has referred to be applicable to all
operative societies; this is because the the States where Adibasis live?
administration of the societies is full
of defects and the farmers are loath SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: Yes,
to admit landless people and Adibasis Sir.
amongst their fold for fear of losing
their own creditworthiness because of SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA: It has
their poverty,. will Government, been mentioned that the interest char­
therefore, consider whether separate ged by the moneylenders ranges from
agricultural cooperative service socie­ 150 to 600 per cent. Most of the pro­
ties could not be constituted for Adi­ duce from the land or paddy or even
basis in their areas so that these the land of the Adibasis in most parts
troubles and problems may not arise? of the country is virtually mortgaged
In that situation, may I know whether
SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: The it is not a fact that this is an unlaw­
main reason advanced by the tribals ful activity and if so, whether any
and others for their preference for the largescale punitive action against these
moneylenders was that they had not criminals, who are moneylenders
mortgage their lands for getting loans parading as respectable persons in
from the cooperative societies and had these areas, is proposed to be taken by
to undergo some complicated formali­ Government and if so, the details
ties which were very trouble some, thereof, and if not, the reasons there­
and which they wanted to avoid for?
Moreover, the co-operatives generally
take their owntime and the loans are SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: What
not given at the time they are needed. the hon. member has said regarding
These are the reasons which they have the condition of the Adivasis when
given. The Ministry of Agriculture they take loans is more or less correct.
which deals with cooperatives is very They are in the hands of these money
much aware of this problem. To study lenders to whom they are virtually
the problem in depth they have ap­ mortgaged. They are treated even as
pointed a study group to find out what bonded slaves. To meet this situation
type of cooperative structure there one approach is that they should be
should be in the tribal areas and how prevented from going to the money­
tribal cooperatives, should be organis­ lenders which mean8 easy credits
ed. They have given their detailed without irksome formalities to be made
guidelines. One of the things that they available to them for which I have
have mentioned is that nownally co­ outlined the scheme formulated by
operative societies give loans only for Government.
*7 Oral Afnwfr* SRAVANA 2, 1896 iSAKA) Oral Answers 18

The hon. member has raised a wider would finance restoration of lands
question whether we would treat them alienated from the tribals. Actually
as ordinary criminals or treat them most of the alienations which the hon.
under punitive measures for which member has mentioned are illegal. In
they would be held liable. I would the first place they should not have
like to say that in regard to money- been done, and if we have to take back
lending, some States have made very those lands which have been illegally
stringent laws No one can do money- alienated, there is no need to pay for
lending without a license. How much them. The only thing necessary is that
interest should be charged, how one there should be strict enforcement of
can go to courts of law—on these the tenancy legislation meant to pro-
matters some ' States have adopted feet the tribals. But if he hon. mem­
measures. As regards treating them ber feels that in certain areas the tri­
as criminals and taking punitive action bals are not able to reclaim their lands
against them, if the hon. member can for which legally they have to make
give some concrete suggetions, we will payments I am not aware of the situa­
examine them tion. If any particular mention is
made by him, we would certainly go
SHRI KARTIK ORAON; The Gov­ into that.
ernment of India know very well, and
State Governments are also aware, SHRI BUTA SINGH: Apart from
that there are tenancy Acts all over the reasons advanced by the hon Mi­
the country to protect the tribals nister as to why the tribals and the
from alienation of their lands. Civil, tribal beliefs are more inclined to­
crimial and Judicial courts do not re­ wards private moneylenders, there is
cognise transfer of their lands with­ the non-co-operation of co-operative
out the permission of the Deputy societies. In fact, these co-operative so­
Commissioner. Even, then, there have cieties are nothing but vested inter­
been violations of these laws and very ests of these private moneylenders.
many alarming cases of land alienation They are one family chain in the tri­
have taken place all over the country. bal belts.
There have been Acts to protect them
from moneylenders: there have heen In addition to that, the point raised
Acts to restore their lands to the tri- by Shri Kartik Oraon is also a funda­
bal’s These Acts have been passed in mental one. The main reason is the
many States, for instance. Bihar; Oris­ land alienation of these tribals. Prac­
sa and Andhra Pradesh. But it is a tically they are bonded with these
sad commentary on these State Gov­ private landowners. Do Government
ernments that they have not been able propose to have selected pilot projects
to do anything on this. It is about to have guided co-operative societies
time the Central Government stepped for the tribals and provide a revolv­
in and gave serious thought to this ing fund for these pilot projects so
problem I would like to know from as to show the Deputy Commissioners
Government whether they would se­ and Collectors as to how to imple­
riously consider in terms of providing ment the land alienation Acts and le­
a revolving fund in the Fifth Plan for gislation regarding co-operative so>
the restoration of tribal lands to them cieties?
and releasing them from the clutches
SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: We
of unscrupulous moneylenders for the
have been assured that so far as the
purpose Of uniform development of
the tribals all over the country. establishment of cooperatives in tri­
bal areas is concerned, whether for the
SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDKA: The forest produce or other things, funds
hon. member wants to know if we pro­ would be no problem. The only thing
pose to have a revolving fund which is to what extent and in what man-
 Oral Answer? JULY 24, 1074 Oral Answers 30

ner the State Governments implement * | sff f , ^ w T O n r t ^ irrf^wrrftnff

recommendations of the Study *ft ^ ^ i|^Rr iv p R ’ ^ n % ,
Qrcup We are constantly following it
Up with them If it is felt that these % f^R ^ ^ F f ^ t | w
schemes are not making headway be­ if ^ ^ w t
cause of lack of finance, we would frppft STTT ? F m W f W f 5, 6, 7
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ft s fa fo r t % *ft m t srrcft f
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21 Oral Answers SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) Oral Answers 22

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23 Oral Answers JULY 24, 1074 Oral Answers 24

i •
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$ i 5ft ’err* *ffc *vr£ ?fh: s m rta r % f5Tv?r% «ri%
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Iw I ^Rr ifwxzt $fm *Zm it st't ^rrzfrT ^r t fa ^ ^ r
T?T 65 29-6-74 I *T? T lfe T r I I Tt^RT
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far f f ^ s r % facr<rr m tt TOT fa^rm T SifSTTTfaqt ^ ^-JRT
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t ?rr«r ^ ^ r % th r ift
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qrr^r fassfhrro % f^rr «rr i src ^Tt^T ^?TI ^ ^ ^ ft I
T> 525 ST* T<TTrTT % fa<Tr «TT I sqft W ^ tt i

sft fa^TT *r farrr «tt* it *r? ^ srsnrm ^ f*TT?ft f: i f ^

m "3*ft iffim t m £i s q ^ rrf^ T T r ^ | ^ ^ ^

m z *r T n tfftsR ?r ^ft ^ r t fw t, fa*T% q r t *rcr ^ «frr fwvrrr
T f w r €r faffs? ?r^ cttt *P?TTT ?T ^JTT Tt I ?
?rft *rrf i ^ £ fa
“ t Nrt t $£? r ' f*fa*rrr Tr £ i *ft
SHRI F. H. MOHSIN: The matter'is
T?TTrrr *t 525 to fa ^ r £ '3^%
still under investigation. The Bihar
wr* if farsrr I fa f® “ f^ rP r-
fa>T? ITRsfT ^ 3 ^ ^ I ^ Government had asked for assistance
^ ^?r> t t ’TPfsr^r t , ?*n* <mr ^ of the C.B.I for further investigation.
5frt ^ sg^FTT *r|t t , %faR ^ *r^f I The decision has been taken to entrust
fa* %rm if g£® *ft*r *rc[ *r— wrf*P sw^t
the investigation to the C.B.I. A for­
Tt i t f m s w | fa
mal notificatior is to be issued and
3^TT f«p %
*mr %% ‘mr t will be issued early.
 Oral Answers SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) Oral Am wen 2fr

AN HON. MEMBER; What about 1 want to know whether it is a fact or

Betia incident? not and also whether a Congress Mi­
nister of Bihar is also involved.
SHRI P. H. MOHSIN: I have no in-
SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT:
formation.
My colleague has already said that
SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA: the matter is being entrusted to the
May 1 know whether it is a fact that, CBI. Let the CBI investigation be
of these 11 persons arrested in Bihar completed. Then we shall be able to
so far, as is evident from the Minis­ give full information on these points.
ter’s reply, and eight persons from But uptill now there is no such in­
Calcutta, the persons who were ar­ formation with us.
rested in Jameshdpur were connected
with Tata’s firm and some of the eight SHRI DINESH CHANDRA GO-
persons arrested from Calcutta were SWAMI: I feel that, instead of trying
connected with a Birla firm and also to make capital out of it, we should
one Congress Minister in Bihar is attach more importance to the preser­
connected with the uranium theft, and vation of this valuable mineral and
if so, whether prima facia on receipt m that context I would like to know
of comp'aint Government have put \vl.at steps Government aie taking to
these persons in jail and whether they sfc that no further incident of this
are still in Jail or have been released nr.turc takes place.
on ball*
SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT:
SHRI F H MOHSIN- As the Home The security people have been entrus­
Minister has already pointed out, one ted with this work. There are tight
person seems to be an employee of security arrangements. Instructions
TET CO, one Mehboob Khan. Of the have been issued and the matter is
rest, on*' was a police constable and veiy carefully being pursued.
another was a resident of Jamshedpur
town We do not have further de­
ters The hon Member seems to SHRI SAMER GUHA: Although it
have more information 1 would only is fortunate that uptil now the uran­
ium smuggled is not purified uranium,
say that the cases are still under in­
the dangerous point is that some emp­
vestigation. The investigation is being
loyees of the factory and the police
entrusted to the CBI. Let us aw8it
ave reported to be involved. There­
the results of the CBI investigation.
fore, there is every possibility of puri-
When the investigation is over we will
lied uranium being smuggled out. This
be very glad to place all the informa­
is one point. I also want to know from
tion before the House.
the Minister whether it is a fact that,
as has been stated by one hon. Mem­
SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA: Is any ber, some big businessmen and one
Bihar Minister involved? dishonourable Minister of Bihar are
also reported to be involved and are
SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT: in collusion on the Nepal border to
There is no such information. try to smuggle out uranium. You
know the Importance of uranium I
want to know whether the terms of
SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA: reference given to the CBI will in­
As you have just now said, one per­ clude the case against the Minister
son is connected with the Tata’s firm. also, whether the CBI will enquire
In the same way, some of the eight and submit a report on that Minister
p'ersons arrested from Calcuta seem also, who is reported to be working
to be connected with a Birla’s firm. in collusion with the smugglers.
27 Oral Answers JXJLY 24, 1974 Oral Answers 28
SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT: MR. SPEAKER: I hav« already
There is no question of any terms of declared that the Question Hour is
reference. When a case is entrusted over. Still he was continuing.
to CBI, it is to make a comprehen­
sive inquiry and whether it is busi­ SHORT NOTICE QUESTION
nessmen or professionals or others, all
will be covered within the Scope of
Functioning of Calcutta Telephones
the inquiry and we do not know
whether any Minister or any such S. N. Q. 1 . SHRI SAMAR GUHA:
person is involved. Uptil now we
Will the Minister of COMMUNI­
have no such information. If you
merely imagine a happening and ask CATIONS be pleased to state:
us to answer about it, it is difficult. (a) whether he assured the House
Let the investigation be completed that after May 3974, conditions re­
and if there is anybody involved, garding functioning of Calcutta Tele­
whatever be his station, we will take phones will improve; and
necessary steps.
(b) if so, the facts there-about in
TIWTC1K STR-sft ‘ STEW regard to improvement shown by
Calcutta Telephones?
MR SPEAKER. Question Hour is
over.
THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­
TIONS (SHRI K. BRAHMANANDA
Tnmffrc srrpft : . . . wr REDDY), (a) and (b) On the 9th of
*TT t far 5 f t faSTFT '|*mr April, 1974? while replying tn a Short
Jf faem nvsrt nftar ftrs, k Notice Question by the Hon’ble Mem-
ber, I had outlined the vanous steps
f^FftsTrrrfi'^TJTrTr Tfrnrr «rr, aft ^ which were taken and were proposed
$ ^affc®S *TT ? ^j?T% TTffV TT qrW sft to be taken by the Government for
«nr i w t *rft fr fir resolving the problem facing the
Calcutta Telephones. A number of
arr^rct t ? sections were completed by ihc end of
May 1974. There has been improve­
MR. SPEAKER: I have already ment w the functioning of the Cal­
declared that the Question Hour is cutta System. The further progress
over and you do not listen to mo. of the vanous steps being taken and
the improvements resulting therefrom
trw m k snrsft : ^flcTr^nr are outlined in the Statement placed
Tnr»rff^T 3rr *rnr fa tm ?rm if
on the Table of the Lok Sabha.
fw » m i m m *rftoqr, ^ m zm * Statement
Progress made in the improvement
of the functioning of the Calcutta
W*WI ^ ?TP? f t cRTRTT Telephones and the various steps
I f * F s r r r e q r ? * r ^t i taken by Government sface March
1974.
tit mTarerrT 5TT**f : ft wzm (i) Adequate number of spare parts
ftftfw ft^ r r T ftl i required by the Calcutta Telephones
for the upkeep and the repairs of the
*r^t— «*ft fa% % »f9rt~-^rfr exchange equipment and the tele­
^ r % ftftfip r « R ^ | i phone instruments have been sup­
plied by the Indian Telephone Indus­
tries cm Top Priority.

(ii) Further supply of the required

t t f t grwrift i spares is being made on a continuing
basis.
29 Oral Answers SRAVANA 2, 18PS \SAKA) Oral Answers 30

(iii) The over 3,000 switches which service with Delhi is expected to be
had been busied out in the various introdured during the Fifth Plan.
exchanges of the Calcutta Telephone (x) Demand Trunk Service from
System have now been repaired and
Calcutta to Cuttack and Bhubaneshwar
brought into service.
was introduced on 5-6-1974.
(iv) All internal equipment has
been thoroughly checked and over­ (xi) The procedure for giving new
connections after payment and com­
hauled ana is being routined as per
schedule. pletion of formalities has been stream­
lined and a number of connections
(v) All the joints in the exchanges pending since long have been instal­
have been checked for proper solder­ led. A small number of such connec­
ing. tions is now pending installation. At­
tempts are being made to provide
(vi) Installation of additional tra­ these also expeditiously.
ffic relief equipment to handle the
(Kii) By special staffing of the trunk
large volume of traffic has been ex­
pedited. This equipment will be Record ‘180’ and Trunk Enquiry ‘181’
switchboard positions, the time to
brought into service m 5 exchanges answer on these services, has been
viz. ‘24’ *44’, ‘46’, *55’ and ‘66’ by the reduced and more prompt service is
end of this month and m the remain­
ing main telephone exchanges, during being provided.
the next 9 to 12 months (\ni) The various procedures for
attending to faults and complaints
(vu) The number of iaulty junctions have been streamlined. After the
between the different exchanges adopted of the procedure, comp­
which were about 8 lo 10^ of the laints and faults are being attended to
total number of junctions in March more expeditiously. The duration of
1974 have come down to 4 to 5r/c and fau'ts is smaller and the number of
this number is being gradually reduc­ earned over faults has been reduced.
ed further, by understaking special
cable repair work. (xiv) Centralised service observa­
tion of the calls passing through the
(vm) By special eirorts, the under- Calcutta Telephone network has
ground cable faults are being hand­ shown an improvement by 10" from
led expeditiously and there has been the position in March.
marked improvement in the speed of
repairs of cable break-downs. (xv) Inspection of the installation
(ix ) The trunk automatic exchange, at subscribers premises and private
under installation at Calcutta, has branch exchanges is carried out on
been partially commissioned. ’ Subs­ the basis of a special schedule.
criber Trunk Dialling ‘STD’ from
Asansol to Calcutta was introduced (xvi) Power shedding continues in
on the 26th of June, 1974. STD ser­ different areas of Calcutta. To meet
vice from the various exchanges in this situation, Direct Power Feeder
Calcutta to Asansol would be intro­ cable has been laid for the ‘47’ ex­
duced progressively during October- change. The work for laying direct
November this year. STD service Power Feeder Cables t0 the *24' and
from Kharagpur to Calcutta will be the ‘35* Exchanges is in progress. *22'
introduced during September 1974 and and *23* and *33’ and ‘34’ exchangee
the various exchanges of Calcutta to already have direct Power Feeder
Kharagpur progressively from Novem­ Cables. These exchanges will not be
ber to December this year. STd ser­ subjected to power shedding problems.
vice with Bhubaneshwar and Cuttack Examination has shown that it is not
will be introduced by March 1975 and feasible to provide direct feeders for
with Jamshedpur by end 1976. STD the remaining exchanges. Except in
31 Oral Answers JULY 24, 1974 Oral Antwert

'58' and W exchanges, engine alter­ SHRI SAMAR GUHA: I am com­

nator* have been provided to take ing.
over the exchange load in the remain­
ing exchanges. Action is being taken My experience is unsatisfactory
to provide engine alternators in these service of 189. 199, 185, 180, 173 and
two exchanges also For two other the receivers’ complaints, wrong bil­
exchangers ‘44’ and ‘41/46’, larger ling; wrong connection and the negli­
capacity engine alternators are being gence at the time of repair—all thes<*
provided. lead to delay and bribery. I made a
suggestion saying, let there be a
(xvii) After discussion with the complaint and supervision cell insti­
West Bengal State authorities, spenal tuted there. The timid managers,—
liaison has been established with the three of them were there,—could not
local law and order authorities to do anything in the matter. I want to
minimise thefts of underground know whether a special officer from
cables It is expected that soon the the Centre could be sent there. He
interruptions to the service duo to should at least set up a complaint and
thefts of cables would be minimised. supervision cell, so that all the com­
(xviii) Close coordination has been plaints may Ho promplty. auiokly and
established with the various agencies adequately dealt with.
en«ag<V in road digging operations.
Tho damage to underground cables MR SPEAKER. He is worried 1
by ro<td digging work is being gradul- will ii\ a time limit for you, before
lv reduced. leshutFUng takes place!
(\nO Tne management setup of th* SHRI K BRAHMANANDA
falcut'a Telephones has been strcn- REDDY I am thankful for the hon
1hen< d and the maintenance woi’r l1
* Membei for appreciating the work
being organised on on Area basis done by wav ol improvement of the
telephone system in Calcutta It has
SHRI SAMAR GUHA I appreciate nothing to do with the elections or
the response of the hon. Minister to
the change oi otherwise of the minis­
rather an inconvenient question /inti tries concerned? Various steps have
I am thankfu] that the Mmistei ha«
been taken in various dneitions
shown some earnestness in removing
1h<' problems facing the Calcutta
Certain dofu lenctos ha\e bion identi­
telephones But -what I am alraul <i
fied You will kindly appreciate that a
is that, after the election of the Presi­ special officer has gone there. A very
dent, the reshuffle of the Ministries senior officer has gone thcio I also
So, before the reshuffling takes place went there Information is collecU 1
I would like the hon. Minister to do from time to lime and whatever steps
have to be taken aie being taken. An
his best to see that the Calcutta tele­
phones are put in order. Additional General Manager has been
sent and four Deputy General Mana­
The reply has given too much of a gers have been ordered to be sent.
bright picture. You have stated about Only one has gone and the rest ate
overhauling of the i n t e r n a l equip­ expected to take up their positions
ment, installation of additional traffic very shortly This sort of complaint
relief equipment, setting right the is found not only here but in othei
faulty junctions, commissioning of places too But I may say for youi
the trunk automatic exchange, etc, information that the complaints abou
etc. in your statement. I am a overbilling in Calcutta are compara
telephone subscriber and I am also a tively less than in Bombay and Delhi
member of the Telephone Advisory
Committee and I Would like to draw SHRI SAMAR GUHA: In 198
your attention..... Calcutta had 73,600 telephones
Bombay. 47,795 and Delhi, 33,400 bu
ME. SPEAKER: Please ask your at present Bombay has 1,68,00)
question. Calcutta 1,32,000 and DelKi 90,188
33 Oral Answers SRAVANA % 1696 (SAKA) Oral Answers 34

There is provision made in the Filth SID is already there between

Han, but what we find is that this Asansol and Calcutta and, to Bhub­
provision lags far behind in respect aneshwar and Cuttack, it is coming
Of Calcutta compared to Bombay and up shortly. Between Delhi and Cal­
Delhi. I want to know as to what cutta during the Fifth Plan it is pro­
steps have been taken by Government posed to have it.
to see that Calcuta, which is nerve
centre of industry, business and trade, SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS
is brought at par with cities like
MUNSI: I would like to know the
Bombay, for instance. This is my first hon Minister, since I belong to that
point and my second point is this. The part of Calcutta and since I am
66 STD system is introduced all over suffering from that whether he h&d
the country and barring Bhuvanesh- received any fresh complaint about
war and Cuttack, not a single STD the functioning of Calcutta telephone
line is there which has been intro­ especially on the cross-bar system
duced in the eastern region of India. was installed recently. There most
What are the reason? Before 15th of the people do not get telephone
May the trunk call charge between lines—at least half of them. From
Delhi and Bombay was Rs. 12 and my own experience I would like to tell
Delhi to Calcutta was Rs. 16 but now you that whenever I make a call from
it has been made at par but even Delhi to that exchange, I never get
then because of the STD facilities my own number. My submission to
now Bombay is getting prompt and the Minister is to look into the matter
urgent call and charge is reduced to whether the cross-bar exchange could
half. I want to know whether he be replaced or not. My second sub­
would take action to see that eastern mission to you is to make an inquiry—*
region is brought within the system I am not accusing any political party
of STD and to see that the charges at all—because in Calcutta Exchange
taken for long distance calls are there is an international line between
reduced pending installation of STD Delhi and Calcutta but, some Cong­
system, to see that Calcutta is ressmen have been deliberately not
brought at par with cities like Bom­ given the connection. For the past
b a y and other towns
five years, in spite of repeated com­
plaints made by me, it has not been
SHRI K. BRAHMANANDA replaced. If Congressmen book a
REDDY: Calcutta, as all of us know, ca’-l they are deliberately not being
is the most important place in India allowed; they are refused straight­
from many points of view. We do way. I have enquired about it. The
not deny that. There is no competi­ people are sitting there and they are
tion like that in the matter of tele­ not giving the lines. I want to know
phones. It is true that in recent years from you whether this should be
enough attention was not paid to Cal­ rectified or not. The General Manager
cutta partly because of political does not even listen to me. They are
reasons and partly otherwise to which doing it deliberately And for the
which I need not go into. past five years if a ca^l is made by
Congress Members to some Ministers,
However, Calcutta has been kept in they d o not give it. So. let U s have
mind in regard to cxjvansion of the an inquiry into the whole thing.
telephone system. It is proposed,
during the Fifth Plan, to expand the SHRI K. BRAHMANANDA
Calcutta telephone system by another (REDDY: So far as the complaint of
92,000 lines and to expand the Bom­ the hon. Member is concerned, I
bay system more or less by a lakh of would certainly look into it as to
lines. So far as S.T.D. is concerned, what is happening there. So far as
it has been mentioned in the state­ cross-bar system is concerned, out of
ment tint I have given to you, that 1.33 lakh lines in Calcutta, only 4,000
1125 L.S.— 2
 Oral Answers JULY 24, 1074 Oral Answers
35
ar$ In cross-bar exchange and the rest Calcutta P & T workshop so that
of the lines are operated in Strowger much could be done in the meantime,
system. My information is that the and expedite the STD business.
cross-bar at Calcutta is a little better
than the one in Bombay. This is my SHRI K. BRAHMANANDA
information. As you all know there REDDY: Nobody denies it and it is
are complaints about the lunctiomng obvious that Calcutta occupies a pre­
of this system. Deficiencies are being eminent position, and it is trying to
rectified. So many attempts are be­ maintain that position, and so far as
ing made and we expect that in the expansion of the telephone system
another three to four months’ time ig concerned, it would not suffer at
they would function better all.
SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE; Calcutta, The rates have been brought on a
thanks to our friends there, has been par recently in the course of the last
deprived of its pre-eminence in the four or five years. Previously, as
country, but it is pre-eminent in so far you must be aware, in the 1950’s it
as its agonising telephone system is was in Calcutta that the director
concerned. I am sure Bombay cannot Strowger system which was then a
hold a candle to it m so far as the modern one was introduced, and be­
excruciating nature of the telephone cause of that probably some charges
system goes. In view of the fact that were made. Now, there is no distinc­
in spite ot Calcutta having a larger tion between Calcutta, Bombay and
number of telephones than even Delhi All are uniform. So far *is
Bombay right u d to the 1960's and STD is concerned, we have not gone
the money received through hire into yearly priorities so tar as expan­
charges levied on Calcutta ior local sion of this is concerned. It is pro­
and trunk calls having given the posed to do it during the Fifth Plan.
Government a bonanza of nearly Rs. But li there is a possibility of e x p e d i t ­
40 crores during the last decade and ing it certainly we shall look into it.
a half or so. this money which was But no promise can bp made because
additionally extracted from Calcutta many other aspects have got to be
has been expended for the main­ considered.
tenance and imorovement of appara­
tus and the introduction of modern­ So far as the woikshnp is con­
ised apparatus eleswhere than in cerned. the hon. Member has brought
Calcutta, may I know i f Government it to our notice, anil I shall look into
would at least make up its mind to that also.
put Calcutta as first priority item m
so far as the restoration of a normal SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY: It
telephone system is concerned and to has been admitted by the hon. Minis­
make a beginning, not only by expe­ ter that during 1he last four or five
diting the STD system which cannot yoais. the telephone rates at Calcutta
wait till the Fitth Plan which is wait­ have remained at oar with those in
ing till the Greek calends, but by ex­ other daces. By this it has also been
pediting it much auicker than the admitted that for a few years since
period of the Fifth Plan, and to look the date of Partition the rates were
after the Calcutta P&T workshop higher or rather there was discrimi­
which was till 1947 the largest m nation Shri H. N Mukeriee had said
India, which has been starved of ap­ that Rs. 40 crores had been taken,
paratus, which has been deliberately and on the last occasion I said that it
killed and which cannot manufacture was much more than that and it was
machinery needed for the repair of nearly Rs. 100 crores. Whatever may
locally employable instruments. Per­ be the figure, the fact remains that
haps, Government can do something some amount of money has been
about it, put Calcutta as priority realised from the Calcutta telephone
No. l in their age and look after the subscribers, but at the same time they
37 Oral Answers SRAVANA 2, 1886 (SAKA) Oral Answert 38

have been discriminated against; SHRI K. BRAHMANANDA

without being given any facilities REDDY. The sins of fathers are not
whatsoever hey have paid higher rates. visited on the sons.
In view of the fact that they are try­
ing to get Into this priority list for the SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA:
STD and their programme is to com­ Shri Samar Guha asked whether so
plete the STD conversion between long as the STD is not introduced the
Calcutta and Delhi by the end of the trunk call rates from Calcutta would
Fifth Plan, I would request the hon. be brought on par with those of
^Minister to see whether he will consi­ Bombay. If at the moment you are
der if. till the STD facilities and other not in a position to say anything
facilities which are going to be made will you examine it? If I telephone
available for other important cities from Delhi to Bombay, I have to pay
of India by connecting them to Delhi something Rs. 2 or Rs. 10 but if I
are actually made available, in the make a trunk call to Calcutta, I have
Calcutta telephone system it would be to pay Rs. 16 for 3 minutes, Are you
possible to realise the trunk telephone bringing those two rates on par so
system rates between Calcutta Delhi that the Calcutta people have not to
and other places at par with the STD pay more?
rates and not at the present rates that
have been taken? In view of the fact
1hat in the past several crores of Secondly, in the Greater Bombay
rupees have been taken—it is much and Greater Madras areas, there is no
more than Rs. 40 crores as stated by toll system; all calls are treated on
Prof. Mukerjee—is it proposed to local basis. But in my district which
compensate Ca-cutta for the same? is within the Greater Calcutta area,
we have to pay toll charges which is
more than double the local charges.
SHRI K. BRAHMANANDA Will you examine this aspect also so
REDDY: It is an admitted fact that as to bring the Greater Calcutta calls
the rates were a little higher since a on par with the local calls?
Jong time ago not now. That was pro­
bably due to the introduction of a SHRI K. BRAHMANANDA REDDY:
vety modem system like the Director Apart from Calcutta, there are several
Strowser System which obtains only other places where there is no STD
in Calcutta and nowhere else in service even in metropolitan areas.
India. After all STD was introduced in 1960
and now only about 63 routes have
been covered mainly from the central
SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY:
point of Delhi, and a few towns.
No political considerations?
These have to be extended all over
the country and that will be done. I
SHRI K. BRAHMANANDA do not want the hon. members from
REDDY: There is no politics m it Calcutta to feel that they are discri­
:that I am aware of. minated against. Bombay is overtak­
ing Calcutta for various other reasons.
To refund or to compensate them Regarding trunk call rates, they are
for what has been collected—from the same everywhere depending upon
speech to speech it has been increas­ the distance.
ing; from Rs. 14 crores to Rs. 40
crores and now Rs.’ 100; next time I
do not know what will be the figure— MUHAMMED KHUDA BUKHSH:
that question however does not arise. Arising out of the answer given that
line capacity in different exchanges in
Calcutta will be expanded, may I
SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY; know what would be the possible delay
Appoint a Committee to find out the in augmenting the line capacity of ex­
exact figure. changes 43 and 44?
39 Oral Answers JULY 24, 1974 Oral An&bers 40

mm X BRAHMANANDA REDDY: i «rm **rf anpr

I have given the information in the
statement. n’gt f^T ?

MR. SPEAKER: I am not bound to

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: He is give the reply, 1 am not bound to ex­
giving wrong information to the plain it to any member.
House. Trunk call rates are not based
on distance. From here to London, for SHRI SARJOO PANDEY: You ar*
a distance of 7000 miles, the rate is
not above the rules.
Rs. 54 but from here to Calcutta it is
Rs. 16. MR. SPEAKER: May I request you
to resume your seat? I am not here
SHRI K. BRAHMANANDA REDDY: to give explanation why I have allow­
Inside the country it is dependent on ed one member and not the other.
the distance.
*ft fro* «rti :
fra* q fi : ir*rar $vr s ra w r W ST^T sRTRT ( , fTTT vRA'PC
3*nrc*rr shrt f sr*rV an? ^ srar «r<T5=fVarsrwr ^frfrrcr 1 «n«r%
?ft w p t *nrr?r $ ’ttt fw w f ^ w r a r fa n fa* *rr
f a t fa ^ w % war x z w ^rarr^r vft fsrrsT 1
3® #, * * far «nfr w^ %*sn' fa «rnr
*rreftrcrf mm
% f a t ^mrr i w r ^ s’w p t fa
«rtt: «rnr v?r w n r ^ c f
*Tm ?rarm ^ ^ f^TTT tot
fa^n- ? I ?
MR. SPEAKER: The Speaker has MR. SPEAKER: I am not prepared
the discretion to allow anybody to put t0 say that. I am not here to say why
a question. I have allowed one or not allowed
the other. It is for the House to*
decide if I should explain
frnr^qti *f fatft^t
\nr, vnfarrft ^ *ft *rwr <rti : *rrc 'Tfrrcr %
w r f e « r F ^ fa 1 w 1
*fV aflf»r<T 5tfar fTT ciTf
cTT^ % ^TTfcjTft ^ w r srm t»f 1
5wr?rr snrr w r | ....
MR. SPEAKER You cannot force
MR. SPEAKER: If it is going to be the Speaker to function m a particular
like this, I would request the leaders way. He should have his discretion.
of the parties to advise their mem­ I have allowed more opportunities to
bers. the opposition than to the ruling party.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: The

*ft frnr^qtf: in w t members of the ruling party have
ap^r ?i7*t Sr ^r*r access to the MiAisters. For the oppo­
^ t , s * e irf ft w pt sition this is the only forum.
'arSnft i srrc ^ ^ MR SPEAKER; I wiU present the
*ftor fotnr, «prr w ^T3*r number of supplementaries asked by
the members of the opposition and b j
f , *[£ w f fa^T w ? members of the treasury benches andl
41 Oral Answers JULY 24, 1974 Oral Answers 42
1 will leave it to the leaders of the sat down and Mr. Bhogendra Jha got
opposition to decide it I will go by up. He should have said “It is my
Ifaeir veffiict. turn”. He is the leader. Mr. Bhogen­
dra Jha should have honoured the
SHRI & M BANERJEE: Shn Sarjoo
leader and allowed him to put a ques­
Pandey is the Deputy Leader of our
tion. What is the fault of the Spea­
Group. As you know, Sir, he asks
ker? The leader sits down and the
questions hardly twice or thrice a other Member gets up and puts a ques­
month because he is busy with work tion.
in the State. It is in your discretion
to call those members who catch your
eye to put questions. I try to catch SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: If this is
.your eye when I want to ask questions. followed in the case of the ruling
But during the question hour if you party, then Shrimati Indira Gandhi
say that because one of the leaders of will put a question, nobody else. She
a group has put a question, therefore is the leader. (Interruptions).
would not allow another member of
the same group, that is not proper. I MR. SPEAKER: It is very difficult
van understand that in a debate but for the Chair to question in this way.
not during the question hour when
opportunity should be given to all
those who catch your eye. The ob­
jection of Shri Sarjoo Pandey is not
that he is not called but he is not cal­ «ft ijffo t& o m f f : frroft
led on the ground that Shri Bhogendra w ift a t %m x
Jha has been called earlier. That is
his grouse. We would like to coope­ wmrr t , ircsr aft vffr trwrit
rate with you. There is no question | wt t n t aft
of our wanting to coopertate with nf *rtr ^stt t ?
you. If you want to follow this pro­
cedure in the case of Shri Sarjoo
"Pandey, then I would request you to v tm : srrc *nr «rf *rs®
“follow the same procedure in the case | 1
of other parties.
MR. SPEAKER: About the Congress v m fiqrrft wrafcft : m sft
party, there are four sectors on this w ft *rnsr sS fa c r f t
side. I go in this manner, one sector
cfr wfrf t o 11 ^ sre ft
one question, sometimes front benches,
sometimes back benches, one from «Tft | *t ft Sfftf 3TTcr f t , 3TTfT
this side and one from that side. I *?t * t f 3TRT f t | I
leave it to you to decide. I will
place the proceedings before you «ft ; ^rr % frit w c f ^
and you decide it. Sometimes a Mem­
ber gets a turn; sotnetimes he does not *it*fr $ ftffn j& S **r*t
get it. What is wrong about it? If f , *r*r snr f f * * r r f S rfo r
a Member did not get a chance at one v fr irr ^ |
time, he gets it at another time. What
'is wrong about it? n m r *rNrr ^ faSrn 1 ( « w n r )

fa g W * f f T * v f ft% $ I
^srfat *rrq*t w «rr i
tpro i m f f : srrr srfc p t
MR. SPEAKER: They were standing
(together. X pointed out to them. He q^rn* * qtf » ( u w j ) *
 43 Oral Answers JXJLY 24, 1974 Written Answers 44.

: w ar ^ 1 1 1 ?ft f^r# ir^V v frr *r$frr

wsj fk m *RIT I £ % # *rsrar n £ g ftr ffcr iprntf

WW ffljn^ TOfaft : STPTVt «rk ff*r*> * frw q rfrft : m

*x t m *m t , g w t *'n fa r$ $r ^ ^ t^ n rr i
^TT ^Tf^r | SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Although,
there is no STD connection available
w w *$ i« r : <re*nr; from Delhi to Calcutta, there is a call
A r% *fr w r r trr ?r^t i If w r r ^ r ^ called ‘On Demand' call which we
got immediately. But then we have
vp r, t sp^fVsT w r r %
to pay for it as an urgent call. I would
T ^ rr ^ t% tt zrr ^ t^ tt
like to make a request that, all such
^ T f^ - i cpc^ k ^ r r eft $ srrqrt time the STD connection is establish­
wVhh g-spm | «r£V | %n: ed between Delhi and Calcutta, the
% f*n? i charges for ‘On Demand’ call could be
the same as for STD.
TWIMK SITSft : WTST aft, SHRI K. BRAHMANANDA REDDY:
spnffr ^ imr «ft i It is difficult to agree.

«ft m * l «Ttt : 5 TTc ft? rn T^ ^ MR. SPEAKER: Now papers to be

laid on the Table
f%^^tsprT3?iT % fe?nw r^?f7^rr
WRITTEN ANSWERS TO
f^> n rfe 1 m ^>r | ffrf^rq QUESTIONS
^TT^rTT ^ ^TcT W f t f I 5fTrr^ t *TF?i Allotment of Cement to Slates
<nft% ^ *r? ^rr !errf^r % ^ ^ ^ *41. SHRI SAKTI KUMAR
SABKAR:
*?t f^RT 5T1W I d f * R
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
m v t s p trt, ^ t t ^Frnrr DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
fa r ^ gffm ft | ^ ^ r r tftfarr TECHNOLOGY be pleased to refer to
sr»rc 3rnr ^ frfr <fr t ^ %
the reply given to Starred Question No
088 on the 8th May, 1974 regarding
S*ft WT3CTT I % f^ T SPTC * ?TT^rr eft
Cement production in Public and
$tt 1 1 ?mr ^ *tfrr *flr fan i ^ Private Sectors and state the allot­
**rr srffar 1 1 i s qr*r Ir ^ ^ ^ ft ment of cement made so far to various
^ N rr % *c ftr fj^y ^rr m v States in 1974?

% fpJTT I THE MINISTER OP INDUSTRIAL

DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND*
WTO in* TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA-
I srssr srto to, tfk NIAM): A statement showing the allo­
*fl»far wr *ft % tc srrr v t ^ rtt cation of cement made to various states
for the period January to September^
$ 1 «j£ m Rffer | % im r s a ?n$
1074 is laid on the Table of the House.
45 Written Answers SRAVANA 2, 1898 (SAKA) Written Answers 4

Statement Meritor of Chairman ef Power Starts

of various States at New Delhi In
(STATE QUOTA ONLY) lone, 1974
S. No. Name of State. Allocation
of Cement *42. SHRI ANADI CHARAN DAS:
(In tonnes) SHRI D. D. DESAI;
(From Ja­
nuary 1974 Will the Minister of IRRIGATION
to Septem­ AND POWER
ber 1974)
be pleased to state:
1 . Uttar Pradesh . 17 ,97,000
(a) whether he attended a meeting
2. Punjab . . . . 3*33-500 of the Chairmen of the Power Boards
of various States on the 14th June,
3- Rajasthan 2,98,500
1974 at New Delhi;
4- Haryana . . . . 2,57*000
(b) whether power generation capa­
5- Delhi . . . . 4,36,500 city in the country was discussed
therein; and
6. Himachal Pradesh 53,000
(c) if so, the main decisions arrived
7- Chandigarh 40,000
at there?
8. West Bengal . 6,20,000
THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION
9- Bihar . . . . 5,15,500
AND POWER (SHRI K. C. PANT):
10. Orissa . . . . 1 ,92,000
(a; There was a meeting of the North­
11 . Assam . . . . 1,21,000 ern Regional Electricity Board at New
12. Manipur 15,000 Delhi on the 14th June, 1974. The
Union Minister of Irrigation and
13. Tripura . . . . 16,625 Power addressed this meeting and at­
700 tended it for a short-time.
14. Amnachal Pradesh
IS- Meghalaya 24,000 (b) One of the topics discussed in
this meeting was the ppower supply
16. Mizoram 4,300
position and power generation capacity
17- Nagaland 13,300 in the various States in the Northern
Region
18. Moharjshtra . 11 ,25,000

19. Gujarat . . . . 8,38,000 (c) The following decisions were

3.25,500
taken by the NREB m this meeting:—
20. Madhya Pradesh
21 . Goa, Daman & Piu. . 43,250 (i) For satisfactory parallel ope­
ration of the various power systems
22. Dadra Nagar & Haveli 700 in the Northern Region a frequency
23. Tamil Nadu . 8,42,000 level of at least 49.7 Herz may be
maintained.
24. Karnataka 5 02,750
3,72,500
(ii) The NREB should study the
25. Kerala . . . .
stability of the system so as to avoid
26. Andhra Pradesh. M4,5~o
frequent tripping of the RAPP unit
27. Pondicherry . 18,250
(iii) The Chairman of all the State
28. Andaman &Nicobar Islands 8,050
Electricity Boards would make all
*9- Jammu & Kashmir. . 44»«K>
possible efforts to implement then
47 Written Answers JULY 24, 1974 Written Answer* 48

Various suggestions made by the balance water between Madhya Pra­

Minister, I&P in his address viz., desh and Gujarat and in regard to the
height of the Navagam Dam in Guja­
(a) No slippages should be al­ rat. It was further agreed that the
lowed to occur in the implementa­ Chief Ministers would finalise the ar­
tion of the Fifth Plan projects. rangements for power generation and
(b) The generation from the distribution.
existing thermal stations should
The Prime Minister considered the
be maximised.
question m detail and had a secies of
(c) All poweg , systems in the discussions with a view to arriving
Northern Region should work in at an acceptable solution. The issues
an integrated manner. involved were complicated. Neverthe­
less, by January 1974, as a result of
(d) Ostentatious use of electri­ the discussions, the differences
city should be curbed. amongst the States were narrowed
(e) The Electricity Industry down. However a solution to the two
should be suitably restructured issues referred to the Prime Minister
and the working of the State was not reached. The changed politi­
Electricity Boards should be pro­ cal situation in Gujarat made the solu­
fessionalised. tion to these issues even more difficult.
It was accordingly considered that it
would be better if the dispute were
Prime Ministers Award on Narmada decided by the Tribunal.
Dispute The representatives of the four
States, after a series of discussions,
*47. SHRI ONKAR LAL BERWA: reached an agreement on 12th July,
SHRI AMAR SINH 1974. In accordance with the Agree­
CHAUDHARI: ment. the Governments of Madhya
Pradesh and Rajasthan will withdraw
Will the Minister of IRRIGATION
their appeals before the Supreme
AND POWER be pleased to state: Court. The States concerned will also
make suitable submissions to the Tri­
(a) whether the State Governments bunal regarding the points on which
of Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh, Rajas­ agreement has been arrived at.
than and Maharashtra have requested
the Prime Minister to give her award The main features of the Agreement
on Narmada dispute; and are:—
1 . The quantity of water available
(b) when the Prime Minister is in Narmada for 75 per cent of the
iikely to announce her award on the years is assessed at 28 million acre
question? feet;
THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION 2. That the requirement of Maha­
AND POWER (SHRI K. C. PANT): rashtra and Rajasthan are 0.25 and
(a) to (c). The Chief Ministers of 0.5 million acre feet respectively, the
Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh, Maharashtra allocation for Rajasthan being with­
and Rajasthan met in July, 1972, and out prejudice to the level of the
agreed that the waters of the Narmada canal from the Navagam Dam;
may be taken to be 28 m.a.f and that
Rajasthan and Maharashtra would 3. A number of issues that had
have 0.5 and 0.25 million acres feet, been raised before the Tribunal will
respectively, of Narmada Waters for be deleted and a few will be got
use in their territories, and requested amended suitably; and
the Prime Minister to give a decision 4. The question of allocation of
in regard to the allocation of the waters between Madhya Pradesh
49 Written Answers SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) Written Answers 50

and Gujarat and the height of the ration for various projects during the
Navagam Dam as well as the ques­ last three years, year-wise in various
tion of sharing of power between States;
the States will be left to be decided
by the Tribunal. (b) the objectives of the projects
for which the amount has been sanc­
tioned and the extent to whieh these
Maharashtra-Karnataka Boundary objectives have beer> achieved;
Dispute
(c) the schemes included in these
*40. SHRI SHANKER RAO SA­ projects for taking electricity to Hari-
VANT: Will the Minister of HOME jan bastis in various States; and
AFFAIRS be pleased to state:
(d) the future programme in this
(a) the reasons why the solution to respect?
the boundary dispute between Maha­
rashtra and Karnataka is being delay­ THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION
AND POWER (SHRI K. C. PANT):
ed;
(a) to (d). A statement is laid on the
(b) whether the dispute will be Table of the House. (Placed in Libe-
settled before the delimitation of rary. See No. LT-8021/74).
constituencies for the ensuing Lok
Sabha election; and'
tfo «rvf0 tjo qpc sf<r*w
(c) whether any instructions have
been issued to the Delimitation Com­
mission that the boundaries of these * 51. W w fo r m : s*rr ^
two States are likely to undergo a
change?

THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ ( v ) m t o t r *rr ftnrrr

FAIRS (SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIK- *rn£o ttq spt stRrfbt
SHIT): (a) to (c). Efforts are being
vt ^
made to arrive at a solution which
would command maximum acceptabi­
lity. When no reference has been (s r ) xrfc ift wr
made to the Delimitation Commission
on the subject and in view of the
V
complicated nature of the dispute, it
will not be easy to set any time limit ^ H i x tfffirar) :
for finding a solution thereto, Govern­ (*) (9 ) . v zn x
ment are most anxious to find an early
solution. fw r m io n o ) ^
«TT^RT Tt Vpf ^
Amount sanctioned for various Pro­
jects by Rural Electrification VTjft, 3* <TTfatf f^Rrn- ^
Corporation'
^ fm f> m
fa x *ft, w tx rx % rsm h v f^flr
•50. SHRI R. K. SINHA: Will the
Minister of IRRIGATION AND grsrr % »rfrfafsr<rt %
POWER be pleased to state;

(a) t^e total amount sanctioned

1»y the Rural Electrification Corpo­
5* Written Answers JULY 24, 1974 Written Answers 53

Tendering Evidence before a Court or (b) if so, the main recommendations

axt tawdry Commission by Retired thereof; and
Government Officials
(c) the decisions of the Government
thereon?
•52. DR. RANEN SEN: Will the
PRIME MINISTER be pleased to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
state: MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI
MOHAN DHARIA): (a) Yes, Sir. The
(a) whether retired officials of the Committee on Essential Commodities
Government of India are barred from and Articles of Mass Consumption
giving evidence in any court or from submitted its final report to the Plan­
appearing before any Inquiry Com­ ning Commission in December, 1973.
mission; and (Placed in Library. See No. LT-8022/.
(b) if so, under what rules? 74).
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) A statement is placed on the
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND Table of the House.
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON­ (c) The recommendations of the
NEL (SHRI RAM NIVAS MIRDHA): Committee are of far reaching nature
(a) No, Sir. and are under the active consideration
of the Government.
(b) Does not arise.
Role of CIA in Forged Resignations Arrests of Railwaymen and their
of Bihar MLAs Leaders
*53. SHRI M. S. PURTY: Will the *55. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU:
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS
pleased to state:
be pleased to state:
(a) whether there has been any (a) whether country-wide arrests
hand of CIA in Bihar where MLAs of railwaymen and their leaders
were forced to resign by some per­ under DIR and M1SA, to crush the
sons; and Railway general strike which began
on the 8th May, 1974 were planned
(b) if so, the reaction of Govern­
as early as in the first week of April,
ment thereon?
1974;
THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ (b) whether Government decided
FAIRS (SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIK­ upon a pre-emptive stiike against the
SHIT): (a) and (b). Government Railwaymen on the strength of two
have no information about the invol­ circulars, dated 2nd April, 1974 and
vement of the CIA m the forced resig­ 7th April, 1974 issued by his Minis­
nations of the M.L.As in Bihar. try, directing the State Governments
Report of Committee on Essential to detain Railwaymen and their
Commodities and Articles of Maas leaders under MISA and DIR;
Consumption (c) whether negotiations between
*54. SHRI R. S. PANDEY: the Railway Ministry and the Rail­
way Union Leaders actually started
SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD: on the 11th April, 1974; and
MANDAL:
(d) if so, the reasons why the two
Will the Minister of PLANNING circulars referred to in (b) were
be pleased to state: issued?
(a) whether the Committee on THE MINISTER'OF HOME AF­
Essential Commodities and Articles FAIRS (SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIK­
of Mass Consumption has submitted SHIT): (a) to (d). As early, «s in
its report; February 1974, several labour unions
53 Written Answers SRAVANA 2, 1/896 (SAKA) Written Answers 54

gave a call for a countrywide railway Facilities at Telephone Exchange in

strike any time from 10th April and Qoilon
also announced the formation of a
Coordination Committee to conduct *56. SHRI C. JANARADHANAN:
the‘strike. In the course of their pre­ Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­
parations for the strike, several reports TIONS be pleased to state:
were received Jof intimidation and
assault on workers who did not agree (a) what development programmes,
to the proposed strike. In March, are to be implemented in the Kerala
plans were announced for commenc­ P & T Circle during the Fifth Five
ing a work-to-rule agitation from the Year Plan;
1st of April and the plan to go on a
strike any time after the 10th of (b) whether Government are aware
April was also reiterated. Work-to- that the present Telephone Exchange
rule, go-slow and work stoppage and building in Quilon lacks sufficient
Other similar forms of agitation came
facilities for proper working; and
to notice even prior to the 1 st of
April. The plans for the strike were (c) whether any scheme for salving
being stepped up and the public state­ this problem has been included in the
ments made by prominent leaders new development programme?
made it appear that the strike was in­
evitable. Reports of threats to loyal THE MINISTER OF COMMUNI­
workers as well as threats of sabotage CATIONS (SHRI BRAHMANANDA
and destruction of railway property REDDI): (a) The 5th Five-Year Plan
were also being received from different has not yet been finalised. However,
parts of the country. Though the Co­ as per the draft issue of the 5th
ordination Committee was due to meet Five-Year Plan which has been pre­
on 15th April to take a decision re­ pared, the development programmes
garding the date of the strike, it ap­ which are likely to be taken up dur­
peared that the strike would materia­ ing the 5th Plan in Kerala Circle are
lise on any day after the 10th des­ indicated in the attached statement.
pite efforts which were being made
to avert the strike. Keeping in view (b) The present telephone exchange
the widespread repercussions on the provides adequate minimum- facilities.
law and order as well as economic
fields such a strike would inevitably (c) In the immediate future it is
cause. Central Government had to proposed to rent out new accommoda­
keep in close touch with the State tion from the Municipality for shifting
Governments and plan lor all even­ some of the services like Trunks,
tualities. It was also necessary to Carrier, etc. During the 5th Plan it is
keep the State Governments informed planned to construct a new second
telephone exchange.
of the developments and coordinate
measures for maintaining law and
order and essential traffic. It was in Statement
this context that the State Govern­ Postal Facilities
ments were advised to plan in advance
I. Statewise targets for the 5th
and get into a state of preparedness
Five-Year Plan, as regards Postal
for effectively meeting the grave situa­ services, have not yet been finalised.
tion in the event of a strike. The Even now all villages in Kerala State
correspondence with the State Gov­ have post offices. There is a daily
delivery of malls in all the villages.
ernments was undertaken for this pur­ The existing postal services in Kama!
pose. State are thus quite adequate.
55 'Written Answers JULY 24, 1974 Written Answers 56

& telecom ' Facilities.—During (iii) Xqzikode-Manjeri,

the 5th Five-Year Plan it is proposed (iv) Trichur-Kunnamkul^m.
to add about 36,000 lines (net addi­
tion*) in the telephone exchanges in (v) Kozikode-Kalpetta.
the KeraJa State. The important tele­
phone exchanges which aie likely to (vi) Kottayam-PalaL
be set up/expanded are indicated be­
low :— F. Trunks— ( 1 ) Trunk Exchanges
at Quilon, Kezikkode and Palghat are
(1) EmaVTilati to be expanded likely to be expanded during the 5th
from 5,000 to 8,000 lines. Plan. It ts proposed to add 100 trunk
(2) Trivandrum Crossbar boards at various stations in Kerala
from 3,000 to 5,000 lines. Circle to meet the traffic growth.
GO. Calicut to be expanded (2i) S.T.D. is likely to be introduced
from 6,000 to 7,500 lines.
between Eraakulam-Narakkal, Erna-
<4) Cannanore to be expanded kulam-Alwaye, Ernakulam-Kozi-
from 1,500 to 2,100 lines. kode, Kozikode-Cannanore, Palghat-
"New exchanges to be set up at— Coimbatore. The number of circuits
on existing point-to-pomt S.T.D.
■;(i) Palghat . . . . 1,800 lines routes at Ernakulam and Trivandrum
(2) Trichur . . . . 4,000 lines are likely to be increased.
(3) Alwaye . . . . 1,200 lines G. Buildings.— ( 1 ) A telecom build­
(4) Quilon . . . . 1,200 lines ing is under construction at Ernaku­
lam for housing the trunk automatic
B. Open wire systems to be installed exchange to be installed during the
(a) 19 Nos. of 8-channel earner syste ns.
5th Plan.

(b) 19 Nos. of 3-channel carrier stystems. (2 ) Plans for the construction of

buildings at Alwaye, Quilon and Kot-
C. Co-axial Systems:—Most of the tayam are also under process.
important stations of Kerala Circle
have already been connected either
by co-axial cable or underground Electrification of Villages and Supply
carrier cable by the end of the 4th of Power to Small Industries in Pun­
Plan itself. During the 5th Five-Year jab by Rural Electrification Corpora­
Plan a co-axial link linking Trivan­ tion
drum with Madras via Nagarcoil,
Madurai, Trichi, Pondicherry is under
execution. •57. SHRI MOH1NDER SINGH
D. Long Distance PCOs and Com­ GILL: Will the Minister of IRRIGA­
bined Offices—During the 5th Five- TION AND POWER be pleased to
Year Plun it is proposed to open 100 state:
long distance PCOs and 300 combined
offices.
(a) whether Rural Electrification
E. Microwave/jUHF Schemes.-—The Corporation has sanctioned loans
following xnicrowave/UHF systems are worth about Rs. 5 crores to 13 pro­
likely to be commissioned in the 5th jects in various States; and
JPlan period.
(i) Kozikode-Octy. (b) if so, the share for energising
tube-wells, electrification of village#
(ii) Ernakulam - Coimbatore. and supply of power to small indus­
Salem. tries in Punjab?
57 Written Answers SRAVANA 2, 1699 (SAKA) Written Answers 58.

THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION Revision of Fifth Plan

AND POWER (SHRI K. C. PANT):
(a) and (b). 13 schemes of the vari­ *59. SHRI P. GANGADEB:
ous State Electricity Boards involv­ SHRI FURUSHOTTAM
ing loan assistance of Rs. 4.47 crores KOKODKAR:
were sanctioned by the Rural Elec­
trification Corporation Ltd., in June, Will the Minister of PLANNING
be pleased to state:
1974. These include one scheme of
Punjab State Electricity Board in­ (a) whether Government expect to
complete the revision of Fifth Five
volving a loan assistance of Rs. 36.318 Year Plan shortly, keeping in view
lakhs and envisaging electrification the latest developments in oil and
of 192 villages, energisation of 1346 price structure; and
pumpsets and supply of power to 260 (b) if so, when it is likely to be
m ull industries. completed?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN

Developing NonLethal Weapons for THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING
. Riot Control (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): (a) and
(b). The Draft Fifth Plan will be
finalised in the light of all relevant
*58. SHRI GAJADHAR MAJHI: factors including the latest develop­
SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN: ments in oil and price situation, as
early as possible.
Will the Minister of HOME
AFFAIRS be pleosed to state:
Value of Advertisements given to
Newspapers on Last Railway
(a) whether there is any proposal
General Strike
under the consideration of Govern­
ment for exploring the possibility of
•60. SHRI AJIT KUMAR SAHA:
developing non-lethal weapons for riot
Will the Minister of INFORMATION
control, which would avoid or mini­ AND BROADCASTING be pleased to
mise loss of life but at the same time state:
be effective in dispersing unruly
crowds; (a) total value of advertisements on
the last Railway general strike given
(b) whether Government have to newspapers during the period April
sought the assistance of foreign coun­ 27 to May 27, 1974;
tries also in this regard; and (b) names of newspapers which
were given these advertisements; and
(c) if so> the facts thereof?
(c) nature of the advertisements so
THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ given during the period?
FAIRS (SHRI UMA SHANKAR
DIKSHIT): (a) Yes, Sir. THE MINISTER OF INFORMA­
TION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI
(b ' and (c). No, Sir. Does not I. K. GUJRAL): (a) The expenditure
arise incurred by the Directorate of Adver­
 59 Written Answer* JULY 24, 1974 Written Answers 60

tising and Visual Publicity in connec­

tion with the last Railway Strike was arrcr m 1972-73
approximately Rs 6,95,372. WT 1 9 7 3 -7 4 3TT?r # Tlf *frc

(a) A list of newspaper is laid on (sr) *rf¥=r

the Table of the House. [Placed in w r € r *r$ ?
Library. See No LT-8023/74].

(c) The copy sought to bring into ^ wmr mr wnfa* fw rr if

high relief the great economic damage
the Railway Strike could cause to the tm («ft TR fWH fatf) «
country in terms of disruption of (*£) crarr ( « r ) . «j^ rr # orr
essential supplies, hampering of pro­ ^fr I <t1t %% %trTsr qr r * ferr
duction etc. and appealed to the
strikers to desist from such a step
srr^rr 1

'Special Area Projects in Development Home for Old and Ailing Freedom
Blocks of Kerala Fighters in South India

334. SHRIMATI BHARGAVI THAN. 336 SHRI AMARSINH CHAU,

KAPPAN: Will the Minister of HOME DHARI:
AFFAIRS be pleased to state: SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA
PANDEY:
(a) the names of the Development SHRI SHANKAR DEV.
Blocks in Kerala where special area
projects in the tribal areas are in pro­ Will the Minister of HOME AF­
gress. and FAIRS
(b) the peicentage of expenditure be pleased to state-
involved in maintaining the two (a) whether in a communication to
Blocks which overlap each other? Karnataka Government on 2nd May,
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 1973, his Ministry suggested the sett­
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS ing up of a Home for the old and aiUng
Freedom Fighters of the South m that
(SHRI F H MOHSIN): (a) There is State,
only one Tribal Development Block
in Kerala at Attappady There is no (b) if so, whether the Health Min­
special area project In the Fifth Plan ister, Karnataka Government, subse­
Integrated Area Development Project quently expressed his Government's
will be prepared so as to cover the readiness t0 start immediately that
entire area having more than 50 per ‘* Home;
cent Tribal population.
(c) if so, whether the Karnataka
(b) Question docs not arise Government also secured for the pur­
pose some suitable buildings near
srt* a jd sttt tor m rm i Bangalore and elsewhere m Karna­
taka; and
*rf
(d) the reasons why this proposal
335. WflWft *Tf : WfSTSt?r has not yet been implemented?
TPfcft anr arcHT Vt f>«TT ^ f ir :
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
(^) »!rf3ppff ^ fffTT MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
(SHRI F. H. MOHSIN): (a) to (d).
t twktit n m ftnpft t farcer f r o Union Ministry of Health and Family
6l Written Answers SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) Written Answers 62

Planning, who was first dealing with THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
the scheme of setting up Homes for MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
aged and infirm freedom fighters who (SHRI F. H. MOHSIN): (a). It has
have no one to look after, had con­ already been decided to set up a tem­
sulted the Government of Karnataka. porary Home in Delhi for about 25
The State Government had intimated aged and infirm freedom fighters who
their efforts to locate a suitable place have ito one to look after.
for a home. After careful conside­
ration it has bem decided that the (b) to (d). The procedure for
Home in the South should be located admission to the temporary Home
in the Union Territory of Pondichcrry. will be finalised after suitable accom­
modation has been secured and other
administrative arrangements have
Home for Aged, Infirm and Ailing been completed.
Freedom Fighters in Delhi

337. SHRI AMARSINH CHAUDHA- HST *T5TTT, faFSft 3 ^ff %

RI:
SHRI T. BALAKRISHNIAH :
SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA 338. :
PANDEY:
sft f*m :
SHRI VIDYA DHAR BAJPAI:
SHRI BABU NATH SINGH: IT® TFfa :
SWAMI BRAHMANAND;
WT iff 5frTT% f<TT
SHRI NAGESHWAR DWIVE-
Dl: f% :
SHRI SHANKAR DEV:
(*P) SrFJTTT
Will the Minister of HOME AF­ % ?Titsr5Tf^FT <rar
FAIRS be pleased to state: % W »rf5*r ^ %wm
(a) when the first temporary Homo ter ? tt ferr
for the aged, infirm, ailing and phy-
sically-handicapped Freedom Fighters, (7=r) q-fr f:, f t ^ %
to be set up by the Central Govern­ f?Tspiff CfT ^ ->.
ment in the country oince Indepen­
dence, will stait functioning in Delhi. (ir)

(b) when and where the buildjngs *TT4-!?5Tf?3°F ?ifr % TTToft

for the purpose have been secured by £r fcT7» TJ *T? zrf&ft 3T
the Government and how many aged
Freedom Fighters in all will bo ac­ snrFsra ^ fw w
commodated therein;
(* ) fr,
ic) whether the applications for ad­
mission in the Home will be invited
publicly through newspapers as was
done in the case of applications from
Freedom Fighters in respect of pen­ tt*t fosrs ftrof) :
sions; and
(«f?) <FTT (*?): 5*rf, 1974 *TMT
(d) the other features of the scheme ?r^r «rsnr f ^ f r wsnflnnT
lor the Home including expenditure
to be incurred thereon? srer ct«?t *rrar ^
 Written Answers JULY 24, 1974 Wfitten Answers «4

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11 SPIT fr*R % ST'fT’TR qftf tfranrr 4 fa fir* st^tt vq^r
6s Written A m e n SRAVANA 2, 1886 (SAKA) Written Answers 66
THE MINISTER OP INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE
T n s f t w c v w>T ftprr sent;
AND TECHNOLOGY AND AGRI­
CULTURE (SHRI C. SUBRA­
(sr) sfo %l n i m w %**&* **
MANIAM) : (a) The question of
«ri^TR M *r P w w |; *rk
Government allowing price increases
arises only in respect of items the
(*r) st> t w | prices of which are controlled. In­
fa ^ff apt #S*TT fw^pfV t cr«CT ?T«T?sr $ crease in prices of certain such items
sftr m *rr w * # *pt ^rr |? have been allowed since April l, 1974.

w W t f *w f a r v m <wrr fararrar
(b) In so far as industries falling
under the Ministry of Industrial De­
s n itfw t ?w t i>fa *n ft (« ft sfto
velopment are concerned, increases in
tfiwww) : (^ ) ^ (jr).TOnr^ P^R the) prices of such items have been
^Tfr f*wt ^r sppj ?tt* ^r«r *r % f«rcr allowed as shown below:
|^>r ^T faTaPT r^TT
I I ^rar f t if 3<T% w 3WTcT Name ol item Magmtude-of-prjce

srpt 3* sr^rr^ 11 __ _________ increase allowed

( 1) Ctmcnr pro­
duced through Rs. 50 per tonne
the use of
Increase in Price of Manufactured
Goods furna^ce oil.

(ii) Baby Food About Rs. 5 to 6

342. SHRI MADHU LIMAYE:
per kg.
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE In regard to automobile types, the
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to
state: price control, which was earlier in
force in respect of certain categories;
(a) whether the Government of
India have permitted increase in the was withdrawn.
prices of a large number of manufac­
tured goods since 1st April, 1974;
(c) The price increases are allowed
(b) if so, the names of these ma­ based on the examination of the cost
nufactured goods and the magnitude of production, including prices of in­
of price increases granted;
digenous and imported raw materials,
(c) the reasons for these increases; and other relevant factors.
and
(d) vrhether the blackmarket mar­ (d) No reliable information is
gins in these goods have been reduc­ available on the premiums, if any,
ed alter these increases or have re­
prevailing over the officially deter­
mained the same but now at a higher
’level mined prices.
1125 L.&.— 3
67 Written Answers JXJ^Y 24, la? i Written Answer* 68

Expansion of Production by Coca Applications from Foreign C om pute

Cola Export Corporation for import licences
344. SHRI MADHU LIMAYE; Will
343. SHRI MADHU LIMAYE: Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE­
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE­ LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to refer to
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state: the reply given to Unstarred Question
No 9566 on the 8th May, 1074 regard­
ing Applications from foreign compa­
(a) whether Government’s attention nies for import licences and state:
has been drawn to the fact that any
expansion of production by any ol the
Indian Bottling units bottling Coca (a) whether the information about
Cola will amount to an expansion by the applications made by the foreign
the Coca Cola Export Corporation of companies for import licences valued
its production and consequent increase at Ks. 2 lacks and above during 1973-
in its profit repatriation; 74 and the action taken by Govern­
ment thereon, has since been collect­
<b) whether starting of new units ed,
bottling Coca Cola will not also am­ (b) if so, the details thereof; and
ount to expansion of the production
by Coca Cola Export Corporation and (c) if not, the reasons for the delay?
consequctnt increase in its profit re­ THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
patriation, MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT (SHRI ZIAUR RAH­
(c) whether these bottling units who MAN ANSARI): (a) to (c). Informa­
are at present bottling Coca Cola will tion relating to the Lok Sabha Un­
be directed to produce Indian drinks starred Question No 9566 is still be­
with Indian brand names within a ing collected The delay in the collec­
specified period; and tion of the information is due to the
fact that all import licences are not
(d) if not, reasons for not issuing issued by the Chief Controller of Im­
such directives? ports and Exports from New Delhi.
According to the policy depending on
THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL the nature of the imports, import li­
cences could be i«ued by any of the
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 18 licensing authorities Information
TECHNOLOGY AND AGRICULTURE about the import licences issued to
(SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM): (a) and the foreign companies during 1973-74
are being collected from all these au­
(b). Government are aware of the thorities.
fact that expansion of existing units
The question, also, relates to the
or setting up of new units for bottling number of applications made by these
Coca Cola will result in indirect ex­ firms. According to the Policy, certain
pansion of the Coca-Cola Export categories of import applications are
to be made through the Sponsoring
Corporation.
Authorities like the D G.T.D., Textile
Commissioner, Tea Board, etc. and the
(c) and (d): The possibility of the sponsoring authorities are empowered
Coca-Cola Bottlers producing soft to reject the applications if these were
drinks with Indian Brand names is not according to policy. In view of
toeing explored. this, the number of import licence*
 69 Written Answers JUIL 24, 1074 Written Answers 70

issued may not be the same as the Lock-out in Indian Standards tnstlfeu
number of applications. The informa- ticm
tion in respect of the applications
made by these firms are also being 346. SHRI MANORANJAN HAZRA:
collected from the various sponsoring Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
authorities. In addition to the Direc- DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE
tor of Industries in each State, there AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to
-are 22 other sponsoring authorities. As state:
the number involved is large and the
information have to be collected from (a) the reason for the lock-out in
a large number of Organisations some the Indian Standards Institution,
more time will be needed before the Delhi, since 18th May; and
information is placed on the Tahle of
the House. (b) the steps being taken by Gov­
ernment to meet the demands of the
employees?

Secret Airstrip built by Smuggler! THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL

for smuggling of Arms and Ammuni­ DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
tion from Western Coast of Maharash­
tra and Gujarat TECHNOLOGY AND AGRICULTURE
(SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM): (a) and
(b) The functioning of the ISI’s Head
345. SHRI MADHU LIMAYE: Will quarters Office at Delhi remained
the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be
pleased to state: suspended from 17th May to 9th June,
1974 as the Institution’s work had been
paralysed by cessation of work, agita­
(a) whether it is a fact that a secret
tion and noisy demonstrations by a
airstrip has been built by Indian
large section of Grades II, in and IV
smuggler^ in collaboration with inter­
employees of ISI who were agitating
national smugglers for smuggling
for enhancement of House Rent Al­
arms, ammunition, grenades and auto­
matic rifles from Western Coast of lowance from 20 to 25 per cent on the
Maharashtra and Gujarat; revised pay scales. A situation had
arisen in which keeping the Institution
(b) if so, what are the details; and open was fraught with risk and dan­
ger to its property and loyal em­
( o steps taken to stop the smug­
ployees. The term ‘lock-out’ applies
glers’ activities?
to industry, and the ISI being an In­
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE stitution the question of lock-out in
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS the Institution does not arise.
(SHRI F. H. MOHSIN): (a). The The Institution has started function,
State Governments of Maharashtra ing from 10th June, 1974 and is work,
and Gujarat have reported that no ing normally. The employees have
such incident have come to their accepted HRA at 20 per cent of the
notice so far. revised scales of pay. Thereafter no
specific demand has been received from
<b) and (c): Does not arise. the employees.
71 Written Answers JULY 24, 1974 Written Answer*

Number of Venom arrested in Sadar Activities of T rail Sena

Ba*ar Communal Riots
348. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN-
347. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN- JHUNWALA; Will the Minister of
JHUNWALA; HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state:

SHRI N. K. SANGHI:
(a) whether a Tamil Sena has been
Will the Minister of HOME AF­ formed to oust the Malayalee popu­
FAIRS be pleased to state: lation from Tamil Nadu,

(b) whether the formation of this

(a) the total number of persons who Sena goes against the interest of the
have been arrested for dnectly incit­
Malayalees who constitute a minority
ing and committing cirmer> in the com­ in the State, and
munal distrubances that took place in
Sadai Bazar aiea in Delhi recently, (c) whether the Centre has asked
the State Government to curb the ac­
(b) whether the persons who had tivities of the Sena and if not, the
used fire arms in the incidents have reasons therefor’
been arrested and if so, the number
thereof; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
(c) the total number of fire-arms (SHRI F H MOHSIN)* (a) to (c).
surrendered by the licensed firearms Several organisations under different
holders from this area; and names are reported to have come into
being recently in Tamil Nadu osten­
(d) whether more police posts have
been set up in the area and if not, sibly for the purpose of protection of
the reasons therefor? Tamils in Tamil Nadu. The formation
of such organisations excites regional
sentiments and creates fears in the
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE minds of linguistic minorities The
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND Prime Minister recently wrote to the
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PER­ Chief Minister, Tamil Nadu stating
SONNEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS that these tendencies should be curbed
MIRDHA): (a) and (b) According to firmly and suggesting that necessary
the information furnished by the Delhi administrative measures to allay any
Administration, so far 155 persons sense of fear in the minds of linguistic
have been arrested in connection with minorities be taken by the State
the Sadar Bazar disturbances of the Government.
5th May, 1974 This includes three out
of the four persons who are reported
Taking up Newsprint issue with
to have used fire arms during the UNESCO
riots. Action under sections 82 and
83 of the Cr. P. C has been taken
against the person absconding. 349. SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE.
SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA:
(c) One hundred and Seventy fire
arms have been surrendered. Will the Minister of INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING be pleased to
(d) Proposal for setting up a police state:
post in the area is under the active
consideration of Delhi Administration. (a) whether Government have
However, armed pickets have been called upon UNESCO to promote an
posted at strategic points in the area. international initiative to relieve the
73 Written Answers JUIL 24, 1974 Written Answers 74

acute shortage of newsprint in Asia; (b) and (c). The crossbar system
and which is a common control system has
certain inherent advantages for the
(b) it so, the reaction of the UNES­ future development of telecommuni­
CO thereto? cations in the country including intro­
duction of nationwide subscriber Trunk
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Dialling. As such, crossbar equip­
MINISTRY OP INFORMATION AND ment is being tendered for.
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM
BIR SINHA): (a) Yes, Sir. The Go- Certain deficiencies in circuits and
vemment has urged the Director manufacturing defects have been
General, UNESCO, to initiate action at causing failure of calls in the existing
the international level aimed at per­ Penta Conta crossbar exchanges of
suading major newsprint producing B. T. M. make. These defects are
countries to agree to an equitable dis­ under rectification.
tribution of newsprint particularly to
meet the needs of developing coun­ The deficiencies are not such as to
tries. preclude the use of crossbar systems,
which are being produced by several
(b) UNESCO’s reaction is awaited. manufacturers and are in extensive
use in many countries of the world.
The important manufacturers of cross­
Purchase of Cross Bar Equipment bar equipment include M/s. Northern
Electric of Canada, M/s. L. M. Erics­
350. SHRI ANADI CHARAN DAS: sons of Sweden, M/s Nippon Electric
Company of Japan, M/s. B.T.M. of
SHRI P. GANGADEB: Belgium and others. The systems pro­
SHRI D. D. DESAI: duced by the different manufacturers,
though following the basic common
SHRI RAGHUNANDAN LAL control principle, are of varying de­
BHATIA; signs. Last year, an order was placed
on M/s L.M. Ericssons for supply of
SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI; 10,000 lines of crossbar equipment.
Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­
TIONS be pleased to state: Setting up of a Central Electricity
Authority
(a) whether Government propose to
invite tenders for the purchase of 351. SHRI ANADI CHARAN DAS:
more cross-bar equipment as reported SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY:
in a Delhi newspaper on 28th May, SHRI P. GANGADEB;
1974;
SHRI D. D. DESAI-
(b) if so, whether Government are SHRI PURUSHOTTAM KA-
aware of the unsatisfactory function­ KODKAR:
ing of the cross bar system in Delhi:
and SHRI RAGHUNANDAN LAL
BHATIA-
(c) if so, the reasons for inviting the
tenders? SHRI K. M. MADHUKAR;
Will the Minister of IRRIGATION
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE AND POWER be pleased to state*
MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS
(PROF, SHER SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. (a) whether Government propose to
set up a Central Electricity Authority;
 75 Written Answers JULY 24, 1074 Written Answers 76

(b) the main features of the scheme; (c) The States broadly agree with
the proposal
<c) the reaction of the States to
(d) The functions relating to the-
this proposal; and
construction of power projects and the
(d) the advantages of such Centra­ generation, transmission and distribu­
lisation? tion of power would largely remain
with the States as at present. The
Central Electricity Authority would
THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION discharge those functions which can
AlfD POWER (SHRI K. C. PANT): best be undertaken at the national
(a) Proposals to activise and streng­ level and which would ensure the effi­
then the Central Electricity Authority cient planning and implementation of
set up under the provisions of the the power programme as a whole.
Electricity (Supply) Act, 1948, are
under examination of the Government Kerala Newsprint Factory
of India.
352. SHRI ANADI CHARAN DAS:
(b) It is proposed that the Central SHRI DEVINIXER SINGH
Electricity Authority should be reac­ GARCHA:
tivated" with the appointment of full SHRI FURUSHOTTAM KA-
time members. “The functions of the KODKAR:
Central Electricity Authority are pro­
posed to be enlarged and the more Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL.
important amongst them would be as DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE
follows:— AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to
state •
(1) To assist the Ministry in (a) whether the proposed newsprint
evolving a national power factory in Kerala will be delayed due
policy. to Canada’s recent attitude towards
India.
( 2) To accord technical approval
to all investment estimates (b) if so, steps taken in this regard;
relating to generation of power (c) whether more newsprint units
or major transmission schemes. aie contemplated; and

(3 ) To establish adequate moni­ (d) if so, 4he facts thereof?

toring arrangements for power
projects, including those under THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
construction in the countrv. DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY AND AGRICULTURE
(4) To arrange* facilities for ths (SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM): (a) and
training of engineers, techni­ (b) A final decision regarding the
cians and operators required source of foreign exchange for the
for the construction, operation Kerala Newsprint Project is likely to
and maintenance of power be taken soon, and the project imple­
systems in the country mentation is not likely to be delayed
for this reason.
(5) To assist States in implement­
ing the modern inventory con­ (c) and (d) Apart from Kerala Pro­
trol measures. ject, three schemes in private sector
for a capacity of 1,64,000 tonnes per
( 6) To coordinate research acti­ annum have been approved and the ex­
vities with the Central Power pansion of Nepa Mills from 80,000
Research Institute and other tonnes to 75,000 tonnes per annum
agencies. capacity is under implementation.
 Written Ansu)6r$ SRAVANA 2, *1896 (SAKA) Written Answers 78

States of Udakh (b) There is no proposal under

consideration of the government to
S58. SHRI B1REN DUTTA; Will raise the rate of Central subsidy on
the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be total fixed capital investment from
pleased to state: 15 per cent to 25 per cent.

(a) whether a movement has deve­

loped for bringing Ladakh under Farakka Thermal Power Project
Central Rule; and In West Bengal

(b) if so, the reaction of Govern,

ment thereto? 355. SHRI R. P. DAS: Will the
Minister of IRRIGATION AND
THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ POWER be pleased to state:
FAIRS (SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIK­
SHIT): (a) and (b). While some (a) whether Government have
suggestions in this behalf had been cleared the Farakka Thermal Power
received from some leaders of Ladakh Project in West Bengal; ,
from, time to time, Government are (b) if so, the time by which the
of the view that these are basically work on the project is expected to
an expression of the desire for more start; and
accelerated development of Ladakh,
(c) whether the surplus work staff
of the Farakka Barrage will be ab­
Central Subsidy for New Industrial sorbed fully in this pro’ject?
Units in West Bengal THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESWAR PRA­
354. SHRI R. P. DAS: Will the SAD): (a) No, Sir.
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP­
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO­ (b) The project report is under
LOGY be uleased to state: finalisation.

(a) the amount of Central subsidy (c) Work on the Project would be
olfered to new industrial units in taken up after clearance of the pro­
three districts of Nadia, Midnapore ject. The extent and manner of ab­
and Purulia (West Bengal) which sorption of the surplus work staff of
have been declared backward for the the Farakka Barrage, in the thermal
purpose during the last two financial Po\\t?t Project, will be considered at
years; and the app»opriate time when the cons­
truction work is taken up.
(b) whether the Central subsidv
can be raised to 25 per cent of total
fixed capital investment? Excavation Work of fieeder Canal of
Farakka Barrage Project
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE­
LOPMENT (SHRI ZIAUR RAHMAN 356. SHRI R. P. DAS; Will the
ANSARI): (a) The State Level Com­ Minister of IRRIGATION AND'
mittee of West Bengal has sanctioned POWER be pleased to state:
a sum of Rs. 52.S? lakhs upto 31-3-
1974 as Central subsidy to industrial (a) when will the excavation work
units in the three backward districts of the Feeder Canal of the Farakka
of Nadia, Midnapore and Purulia. Barrage Project be completed; and
79 Written Answers JULY 24, 1974 Written A w w m 80

(b) the time for its formal open­ (c) Initially a case under section
ing? 331 IPC was registered at Police Sta­
tion on 3-6-1974 against three delin­
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE quent police officials and they were
MINISTRY OP IRRIGATION AND placed under suspension. Subsequent­
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR ly upon the death of Shri Shyam Lai
PRASAD): (a) and! (b). The excava­ on 5-6-1974, the section was amended
tion work of the Feeder Cana] of the to 302 IPC and the three police offi­
Farakka Barrage Project is expected cials were arrested. The case is under
to be completed by the end of this investigation with the Crime Branch
year and it will be ready for being of Delhi Police.
commissioned immediately thereafter. Anti-Malayalee Agitation in Madras

358. SHRI S. A. MURUGANAKp

Demonstration by Delhi Youth Fede­ THAM:
ration outside Pahar Ganj Police
Station SHRI N. K. SANGHI:

Will the Minister of HOME

357. SHRI S. A. MURUGANANTHAN. AFFAIRS be pleased to state:
Win the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS
be pleased to state: v.a) whether a procession was taken
out on 26th May, 1974 under the
leadership of two Tamil Daily editors
(a) whether the Delhi Youth Fede­ in Madras,
ration demonstrated outside the
Pahar Ganj Police Station, New (b) w hether the processionists, the
Delhi demanding judicial inquiry into supporters of D.M.K. had looted tea
the death of a Railway Employee on shops, restaurants and cinema houses
29th May, 1974; belonging to Malayalees in Madras
(h) if so, their demands; and and il so. what action has been taken
against them;
(c) steps taken in the matter?
(c) whether any arrest was made
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE '^nd how much loss these Malayaleec
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS had incurred and whether Govern­
(SHRI F. H MOHSINO: (a) Yes Sir,
ment have given any compensation
but their demands did not include a
judicial inquiry into the incident'. to them; and

(b) Their demands were: — (d) what is the reaction of Central

Government on this?
(i) An inquiry against the Sta­
tion House Officer, Police Sta­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
tion Paharganj and the con­ THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
cerned Sub-Inspector of
Police. AND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF
PERSONNEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS
(ii) Suspension of the Station
House Officer, Paharganj and MIRDHA); (a) to (o). According to
transfer of the Sub-Divisional the Government of Tamil Nadu, a
Police Officer, Paharganj; and procession of about 2000 persons was
(iii) Financial assistance to the taken out in the city of Madras on
family of the deceased. May, 26, 1974. There were some
 8t Written Answers SRAVANA 2, 180BT (Saka) Written Answers 82
clashes on the way and certain un­ Anti-Tamilian Agitation in Kerala
fortunate incidents of stone-throwing
had occurred. The police acted pro­
mptly and arrested 48 persons on the 360. SHRI S. A. MURUGANAN-
spot in connection with these inci­ THAM: Will the Minister of HOME
dents. AFFAIRS be pleased to state:

(d) The Prime Minister has urged (a) whether an agitation took place
the CM, Tamil Nadu to take necessary in Trivandrum against Tamilians im­
steps to instill a sense of security mediately after the agitation in Tamil
amongst linguistic minorities and also Nadu against Malayalees;
to denounce attempts to excite regio­
nal chauvinism. (b) how many were affected by
this counter agitation and what action
was taken against this move;

Articles in Tamil Dallies against (c) the arrests made in Kerala in

Malayalees this connection and whether Gov­
ernment have given any compensa­
359. SHRI S. A. MURUGANAN- tion to the affected persons, and
THAM: Will the Minister of HOME
AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (d) whether Central Government
have asked the Kerala Government
to take steps against such actions and
(a) whether in Tamil daily if so, the reaction of the State Gov­
‘ Nathigam’ edited by Ramasuamy, ernment?
articles were written against Malaya­
lees; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
(b) whether a paper ‘Alaiosai’ edit­ AND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF
PERSONNEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS
ed by Vellur Narayana ex-DMK MIRDHA): (a) to (c). The Govern­
Mayor, also published articles against ment oi Kerala has informed that as
Malayalees; and a sequel to the incident of 26-5-1974
in Madras, some anti-social element's
pelted ftones at some shops/business
(c) if so, the action Government establishments belonging to Tamilians.
have taken against these papers? within the Fort Police Station limits
in Trivandrum city on 27-5-1974. The
total damage was assessed to be aboul
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Rs. 1,000. In all 157 persons were
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND lounded up No compensation is re­
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON­ ported to have been given by the State
Government in this regard
NEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA):
(a) and (b). Some articles about al­ (d) The Central Government has
leged domination of Malayalees in urged both the Governments of Tamil
various establishments in Tamil Nadu Nadu and Kerala to take urgent steps
to protect the linguistic minorities
which have been published by the two and to deal firmly with all acts of
dailies in question have come to the violence. Both the State Governments
notice of the Government. have informed that they promptly
dealt with the incidents in their res­
pective States and that the interest) of
(c) Facts are being ascertained the linguistic minorities will continue
from State Government to be safeguarded.
83 Written Answers JULY 24, 1974 Wrttten Answers $4

Restructure of State owned National Computet s Supplied on hire by IBM*

Textile Corporation to various parties

362 SHRI SARJOO PANDEY: Will

361 SHRI K. MALLANNA Will the
the Minister of ELECTRONICS be
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH­ pleased to state.
NOLOGY. be pleased to state (a) the number of computers sup­
plied by I B M on hire to different
(a) whether State-owned National parties including Government;
Textile Corporation will be suitably
restructured to give adequate repre­ (b) the conditions under which
sentation to the State Governments computers are supplied on hire, and
which ha\e sick textile mills within (c) the amount so far received by
their borders, and IB M towards hire charges’

(b) if so, the facts regarding the THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER
share of Centre and State Govern­ OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER
ments respectively in so far as the OF ELECTRONICS AND MINISTER
cost of compensation to the erstwhile OF SPACE (SHR1MATI INDIRA
owners of these sick mills is con­ GANDHI) (a) 95 (including 21
cerned? machines hired by Government De­
partments)
THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL (b) Computers are supplied on hire,
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND on the basis of xentals established on
TECHNOLOGY AND AGRICULTURE a world-wide basis by multi-national
(SHRI C SUBRAMANIAM) (a) companies Rentals are meant to
It is proposed to enact legislation cover services 1 elating to engineering
shortly for nationalisation of textile maintenance including supply of need­
mills whose management has been ed spare parts and other support acti­
taken over by Government A suit­ vities by the suppliers
able pattern of management following
nationalisation is also being devised (c) The total amount of lental re­
for these mills ceived by IBM for the 21 machines
hired by Government Departments
(b) The Central Government will upto November 1973 is approximately
m the first instance pay the entire Rs 7 5 crores Information with re-
gat d to machines hired by non-gov­
cost ot compensation to the owners of ernmental institutions is not readily
the sick textile undertakings Aftei available
the assets have been acquired by the
Central Government it is proposed to
transfer these to the National Tex til* Coiporation for Maintenance of
Computers
Corporation who will set up subsidiar\
corporations for actual management 363 SHRI SARJOO PANDEY: Will
of the«e undertakings In these subsi­ the Minister of ELECTRONICS be
pleased to state
diary corporations, the State Govern­
ment concerned will be offered equity (a) whether the proposal made by
participation upto 49 per cent the the Electronics Commission to set up
balance equity being contributed by a Corporation for maintenance o f
computers has since been finalised*
the National Textile Corporation and ’
85 Written Answers SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) Written Answers 86

tb) if so, 'toe facts thereof? consumption of cement by each state

during the preceeding five years. An
THE PRIME MINISTER, MINIS­ allocation of 5.21 lakh tonnes under
TER OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINIS­ the state quota was made tt* the State
TER OF ELECTRONICS AND MINIS­ of Kerala for this period.
TER OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA
GANDHI): (a) A proposal to set up The total supplies made to the State
a Corporation for maintenance of of Kerala both under “State and Cen­
computers is currently under consi­ tral Quotas”, during the last three
deration of Government. years, were as under:—
(b) The proposal is to set up the
Corporation in the Public Sector, to (ia 000 tonnes)
undertake the maintenance and ser­
vicing of computers, particularly those
that are imported; and to provide 1971 599
systems software and application sup­ 623
1972
port as needed and to the extent
possible. The project for setting up 1973 524
of the Corporation, has been approved
by the Planning Commission for im­
plementation during the financial The shortfall in supplies to State-
year 1974-75. Out of a total planned of Kerala during the year 1973 was
outlay for the project of the order of a Part of overall shortage of cement
Rs. 1 crore, a provision of Rs. 15 in the country due to the power-cuts
lakhs has been made in the Plan bud­ enforced in different' States, inade.
get of the Department of Electronics quate supplies of Coal for the indus­
for the current year. try, and inadequate availability of
wagons for movement of cement.

Allocation of Cement to Kerala

Capacity of industrial UnMa In Kerala

364 SHRIMATI BHARGAVI THAN. 365. SHRIMATI BHARGAVI THAN-

KAPPAN: Will the Minister of IN­ KAPPAN: Will the Minister of IN­
DUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND DUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND
SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY be SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY be
pleased to state: pleased to state:

(a) the total allocation of cement (a) the names of the industrial units
to the State of Kerala during the of Kerala working below capacity
period of last three years; and during the last three years, year-wise;
and
Cb) the reasons for short supply? (b) the measures taken to work
them at rated capacity?
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE­
LOPMENT (SHRI ZIAUR RAHMAN THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
ANSARI): (a) and (b). Prior to DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE
July, 1973, no specific statewise allo­ AND TECHNOLOGY AND AGRI­
cations were being made. Statewise CULTURE (SHRI C. SUBRA
quotas were fixed for the first time MANLAM): (a) and (b). Information
for the period July, 1973 to June, is being collected and will be laid on
1974 at MO per cent of the average the Table of the House.
 87 Written Answers JULY 24, 1974 Written Answer*

Telephone faculties In towns and Setting up of Captive Power Vtnla

village, of Kermis, for Export Oriented Industrial

3*6. SHBHIATI b h a h q a v i 367. SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDYl

THANKAPPAN;
Will the Minister of IRRIGATION
Will the Minister of COMMUNI­ AND POWER be pleased to state:
CATIONS he pleased to state:
(a) whether Government propose
to set up captive power plants for
<a) the number of towns and vil­ selected export oriented industries;
lages having telephone facilities in
the State of Kerala; and (b) if so, the main features thereof;
and
(b) the number of villages, Distnct- (c) the places where these captive
'wise, proposed to be provided with power plants would be set up?
telephone facilities, particularly in
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
Adivasi areas during 1974-75? MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN PRASAD) (a) The Government
THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICA­ have no such proposal
TIONS (PROF SHER SINGH): (a) (b) and (c) Do not arise
187 towns and 404 villages are having
telephone facilities in the State of
Kerala. ’ Unking of Ganga with Cauvery

(b) District-wise break up of the -m SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY:

■villages \ hcie telephone facilities are SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA:
proposed to be provided during 1974-
75 in State of Kerala is given below — Will the Minister of IRRIGATION
AND POWER be p. eased to state

1. Cannwore , T9 (a) at what stage is now the imple­

2. alicut '9 mentation programmes of the pro­
posed scheme of linking up of Ganga
3 . Malappuram 7 with Cauvery;
4 . Tnchui 10
(b) whether Government is not
5 . Frnak i!t»m . 9 now enthusiastically pursuing the
6. Palghai implementation of this scheme; and
xx (out of which i is ml
Advasi are
(c) if so, the reasons thereof?
7. Kottayam. 9 (Out of which 3 are
m Advivast area''I THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
S. Quilon
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
9- Trivandrum POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD); (a) Some preliminary
to. Alleppey . studies, based on the data availably
II. Icbkki and the topographical maps, have
been carried out. Studies of sur­
pluses and deficits in various sub­
 Written Answers JULY 24, 1974 Written Answers go

basins, basins, areas and regions need, building. They will be allowed to
ed for identification of links connect­ retain their earnings in foreign banks
ing different river systems and in­ for a given period and use: them for
vestigations required thereafter are import of essential equipments, spare
now proposed to be undertaken in parts etc. for starting industry. They
the Fifth Plan. This scheme is by will also be provided financial sup­
its nature a long range one and the port by the nationalised banks.
investigations themselves may take
about 10 years or more. An Advisory Committee is being
set up to look into the implementa­
(b) and (c). Do not arise. tion of the scheme.

(c) A number of enquiries have

Packagc Scheme to attract Indian been received relating to the scheme.
Scientists, Technologists and The scheme has been approved re­
Engineers Working Abroad cently and it is too early to expect
the results of the scheme.
36i». SHRIMATI ROZA DESH-
PANDE:
Share of Private and Public Com­
SHRI M. S. PURTY: panies in additional capacities of
SHRIMATI BIBHA GHOSH cement production
GOSWAMI:
370. SHRIMATI ROZA DESH-
SHRI N. K. SANGHI:
PANDE- Will the Minister of INDUS­
Will the Minister of SCIENCE TRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SCI­
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to ENCE AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased
state ■
to refer to the reply given to starred
(a) whether Government have Question No. 989 on the 8th May
approved a multi-point package
scheme to lure back Indian packages 1974 regarding cement production
technologists and engineers from in Public and Private sectors and
foreign countries; state the names of the firms and
(b) if so, the main features of the quantity of the shares of the private
package scheme and the steps taken and Public sector cement companies
to implement it; and
where in additional capacity of ce­
(c) the number who have agreed ment production has been introduced?
to come back?
THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE­
AND TECHNOLOGY AND AGRI­ LOPMENT (SHRI ZYAUR RAHMAN
CULTURE (SHRI C. SUBRAMA-
NIAM): (a) Yes, Sir. ANSARI): The names of the parties
to whom the licences/Letters of In­
(b) The main feature of the schcime tent for additional capacity of 17.11
|s to offer a package deal to the
scientists/technologists who are ex­ million tonnes had been issued, are
perienced in production technology given in the Statements I and II laid
consisting of a licence where required, on the Table of the House.
facilities for import of capital goods
and infrastructure facilities such as [Placed in Library. See No. LT 8024/
power* water and industrial site/ 74].
91 Written Answers JULY 21, 1074 Written Answers 92

Irrigation Priority Scheme tor time by which the revised Draft of

Different States the Fifth Five Year Plan will be pre­
sented to the House,
371. SHRIMATI ROZA DESH-
PANDE: Setting up of Mini Newsprint Plant*
DR. RANEN SEN: 373. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN:
Will the Minister of IRRIGATION SHRI C. K. JAFFER
AND POWER be pleased to state- SHARIEF:
SHRI D. B. CHANDRA
(a) whether Government have for­ GOWDA:
mulated irrigation priority schemes
for different States; and
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
(b) if so, the mam features thereof DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE
with particular reference to Maha­ AND TECHNOLOGY be please to
rashtra, Rajasthan, Gujarat, West state:
Bengal, Assam and Tripura?
(a) whether the proposal under
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Government’s consideration to per­
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND mit the setting up of mini-newsprint
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR manufacturing plants to overcome
PRASAD): (a) and (b). No Sir. the present newsprint shortage has
Irrigation being a State subject, irri­ since been finalised after examination
gation projects are foimulated and by Technical Committee of Develop­
implemented by the State Govern­ ment Council;
ments within the frame-work of their
overall developmental plans. (b) whether the economic feasibi­
lity of such plants has been examined
by Government, and
Revised Draft Fifth Plan
(c) if so, the facts thereof?

372. SHRIMATI ROZA DESH- THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL

PANDE: Will the Minister of PLAN- DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE
NING be pleased to state: AND TECHNOLOGY AND AGRI­
CULTURE (SHRI C SUBRAMA-
(a) whether Government propose NIAM) (a) to (c). The examination
to place on the Table of the House of the proposal by the Technical Com­
the revised draft of the Fifth Five mittee of the Development Council
Year Plan during the current session; has not yet been completed Govern­
and ment are separately looking into the
economic feasibility of such plants.
(b> if not, the reasons therefor?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Financial Help by the Centre for

THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING State Plans
(SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): (a) and
(b). Exercise are already undertaken 374. SHRI B. N. REDDY: Will the
m the Planning Commission to deter­ Minister of PLANNING be pleased to
mine what adjustment's would be state:
necessary in the Draft Fifth Five Year
Plan in the light of the present diffi­ (a) the principles on which Plan­
cult economic situation. At this stage ning Commission is helping State plans
it is difficult to indicate the exact financially;
<93 Written Answers SRAVANA 2, .1896 (SAKA) Written Answers 94

(b) how many Andhra Pradesh Beating of Harijans by Upper Caste

State plans have been financed by the Hindus in Village Muktapur District
Centre so far; and Falzabad (U.P.)

(c) the number of plans proposed

to be financed by the Centre in Andhra 375. SHRI JHARKHANDE R A I:
Pradesh? Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS
be pleased to state:
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING (a) whether Government are aware
(SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): (a) The that members of a Harijan family were
principles which governed the alloca­ badly beaten up by upper caste Hindus
tion of Central assistance to States in village Muktapur P. S. Heidarganj
for financing their respective Annual in District Faizabad (U.P.) in the first
Plans during the Fourth Five Year week of June, 1974;
Plan period are indicated below:—
(b) if so, the facts thereof; and
(i) 60 per cent on the basis of
(c) the action taken against the
population. culprits?
(ii) 10 per cent on the basis of
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
per capita income. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
(SHRI F. H MOHSIN): (a) to (c).
<iii) 10 per cent on the basis of
Facts are being ascertained from the
tax effort in relation to per Government of Uttar Pradesh.
capita income.

(iv) 10 per cent on account of Beating of Harijans of Village

continuing major irrigation Mahuwa, P.S. Khandasa (U.P.)
and power schemes.
376. SHRI JHARKHANDE RAI:
(v) 10 per cent on the basis of
special problems of States. Will the Minister of HOME
AFFAIRS be pleased to state:
The principles and criteria which
will govern the allocation of Central
assistance to States in the Fifth Five (a) whether eight Harijans belong­
Year Plan period are yet to be fina­ ing to village Mahuwa, P.S. Khandasa
lised by the National Development (U.P.) were beaten up in the presence
Council. of Sub-Inspector of the Police Station
by the Pramukh of village Khandaia;
(b) Central assistance has been
(b) if so, the facts thereof; and
given towards the financing of all
the Annual Plans of Andhra Pra- (c) the action taken against the cul­
vdesh, since its formation. prits and the Sub-Inspector?

(c) All States including Andhra THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE

MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
'Pradesh would continue to receive
(SHRI F. H. MOHSIN): (a) to (c).
their share of Central assistance in Facts are bein? ascertained from the
iuture as well Government of Uttar Pradesh.
95 Written Answers JULY 24, 1974 Written Answers 96*
Supply of Electricity to DdDhl from the Ministry on the allegation
that he was responsible for the leak­
age; and
377. SHE! JHARKHAND® RAI:
Will the Minister of IRRIGATION (d) whether the house of any other
AND POWER be pleased to state the officer was also searched in this con*
alternative arrangements made to nection and if so, the facts thereof?
continue full supply of electricity to
Delhi m case there is cut in supply THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
from Bhakra? DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY AND AGRICULTURE
(SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM): (a)
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
Yes, Sir.
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI S1DDHESHWAR PRA­ (b) and (c). The enquiry was or­
SAD)’ Power supply to Delhi and dered into the leakage of noting and
adjoining States is being arranged on not against any particular officer.
the ba^is of coordinated working of The house of an officer was searched
different power resources in the in this connection and he was trans­
region. Bhakra is supplying about 80 ferred from this Ministry.
MW to Delhi and no cut in this is
expected. However, m case of emer­ (b) No, Sir.
gencies resulting in a cut in supply
fiom Bhakra. Delhi can also draw Production and Requirements of Truck
power from Eadarpur, besides its own and Bus Tyres and Tubes
thermal generation. It will also be
possible to draw power from the
Rajasthan Atomic Power Project on 379 SHRI S N. MISRA- Will the
completion ot the Jaipur-Badarpur Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP­
line. MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH­
NOLOGY be pleased to state:

Enquiry into the Affairs of Mohan (a) the installed capacity for the
Meakin Breweries manufacture of truck and bus tyres
and tubes in the country;
378. SHRI S. N. MISRA Will the (b) the actual production and re­
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP­ quirement of truck and bus tyres and
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH­ tubes during 1972-73 and 1973-74;
NOLOGY be pleased to state:
(c) the number of truck and bus
tyres and tubes supplied to various
(a) whether an inquiry by the Cen­ States by manufacturers during the
tral Bureau of Investigation was above period; and
ordered in the year of 1971 relating (d) the steps Government have
to leakage of notings from a file deal­ taken to meet the growing demand for
ing with M/s. Mohan Meakin Brewer­ tyres and tubes in the country?
ies for expansion of their capacity;
(b) if so, whether the inquiry was THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
directed against an officer who had DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND*
opposed the company’s application for TECHNOLOGY AND AGRICULTURE
expansion; (SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM): <a>
Capacity for manufacture of various
(c) whether the house of the officer categories of tyres and tubes, in­
was searched and h$ was transferred cluding tyres/tubes for buses and
 97 Written A ntw m SHAVANA X 1999 (SAKA) Written Angwer* 98

truck* b it not been fixed specifically 98.81 lakhs nos. and for tubes 91,914
for each category. The "term auto­ lakhs nos.
mobile tyres and tubes” generally in*
dudes all varieties and types. The (b) The actual production of bus
and truck tyres and tubes and the
present installed capacity of all the requirements during 1972-73 and
categories of automobile tyres is 1973-74 are of the following order:—

Requirement as assessed by
Type Task Force on Rubber Goods Production
manufacturing: Industry
1972-73 1973-74 1972-73 1973*74

Bus/Trade Tyres . 30-98 lakhs 32*44 lakhs 23,14,450 26,01,757

Bus/Truck Tubes 30*98 lakhs 32*44 lakhs 23,70,286 25,17,134

(c) A statement is attached. 94.24 lakhs tyres and 103.76 lakhs

tubes for all categories of automobile
(d) The Government has licensed/ tyres and tubes which indudes bus
approved additional capa city of and truck tyres and tubes also.
Statement
Supplies effected by
State Mm. (Tyres only)
1972-73 *973-74
Nos. Nos.

*59.335 170,098
69,155 75»946
36*62 4*,021
Assam, Meghalaya, Mizoram, Arunachal Pradesh, Nagaland, Manipur,
S7>*79 63*009
M ah arash tra/G oa.................................................................... 256*959 263,837
Madhya Pradesh............................................................................. 101*468 106487
G u ja r a t...................................................................................... 119**89 *34>799
*27,373 *33,826
D e l h i ...................................................................................... 92,688 96,290
Himachal Pradesh, Pun) h Chandigarh, Haryana, Jammu & Kashmir. 95j6*° 101,334
Rajasthan............................................................ 48,337 52,296
Andhra Pradesh............................................................................. 138,788 *38,603
Karnataka 129* 37 *38*799
K e r a l a ...................................................................................... 8*,709 87*058
Tamil Nad u/P om llcbw ry.............................................................. *43)005 *64,5*7
1125 L & .- 4
99 Written Answers JULY 24, 1974 Written Aiimet* to®
Investigations made into Sale of Share Cut in Annual Plan Outlay ft*
by MS*. Shaw Wallace and Co., Lid. Agriculture and Allied Programmes

380. SHRI S. N. MISRA: Will the

PRIMS MINISTER be pleased to 382. SHRI MOHINDER SINGH
state the progress so far made
GILL: Will the Minister of PLAN­
in the investigations into all the
NING be pleased to state:
aspects of the matter relating to the
sale by M/s. Shaw Wallace & Co., Ltd.
of their share in M/s. R G Shaw &
Company? (a) whether the annual plan (1974-
75) outlay for agriculture and allied
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN programmes has been slashed con­
THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS siderably; and
AND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF
PERSONNEL (SHRI RAM NTWAS (b) if so, the reasons therefor, keep­
MIRDHA) The investigations have ing in view the food situation in tfte
not yet been completed. country and the proposed imports?

tfcp i % SsfhRhr ijtowsi % 5$

fowraa THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING
381. IT© WWW : (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA) (a; and
(b). No, Sir It is not correct to say
that the outlays lor agriculture and
(^ ) w sfor *r % allied programmes included m the
Annual Plan 1974-75 have been
ggfr s w 1 T W W % STT* % 3RrTT i f f ® slashed considerably Howe\er, in
fEfl+TTi STTT<f f , view of the difficult economic situa­
tion pi evading m the countiv the
(^r) srfe ?r, ?ft mn Government have sel uy <wo
committees to examine the possibili­
ties oi effecting economy m both
*hrrc w w 3? x m (sfto Flan and non-Plan expenditure during
the current year These committees
tfT fa| ) : (V ) sft ?TT I are examining the various sectors of
(*?) ^ft *fV fwW d fMY *ft -ct the Annual Plan including agriculture
and allied sectors

% Fznfk ^ TT5Rr^5r % ^
Major Irrigation projects held up due
apT^T % gSK % fsrtr f R ^ ijf:
to Inter-State Disputes
YrfVTOR W 4 T TOT «TT I left
383 SHRI MOHINDER SINGH
*mf? ^ GILL- Will'the Mmsiter of IRRIGA­
TION AND POWER be pleased to
s n r te R %^?r fsrsrr f a * *nr $ i &nft- be pleased to state:
wm t %^fhrrr srr«r ^ *r{,
tfter f w m r sftr ^ tft u t ^ p (a) whether due to inter-State dis­
putes pending clearance by the Cen­
|? jt fo r r tot i snr w £<#• tre, the work has almost frozen on
^ VTWCW *T?f^FR7 more than 124 major irrigation pro­
t i i*r *tt m r m T^fV jects that normally should have been
completed long ago at much lower
3fT I costs;
 to t WrMen Answers SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) Written Answers 102

Cb) whether India is harnessing only THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE

under 15 per cent of the national MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
water resources; and POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir.
(c) if so, how long more Govern­ Delhi Electric Supply Undertaking
ment will take to clear these projects has been facing financial difficulties
by solving inter-state disputes? due to increases in the prices of coal,
fuel and other materials as well as
establishment costs. However, the
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE ex-gratia payment for the year
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 1973-74 to the employees was made
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESWAR in June this year. Payments to bulk
"PRASAD): (a) Due to disputes among suppliers, including Indian Oil Corpo­
the concerned States regarding the ration, are also being generally made
uhlizatioh of waters a large number although their has been some delay.
oi projects, are pending clearance by
the Government of India. (c) Proposals to raise the electri­
city tariffs are reported to be under
(b) Out of a total 06 million haM. the consideration of the Delhi Elec­
of utihzable water potential, about tric Supply Committee.
25 5 M. ha.M is being used. This
works out to 387^.
Rural Engineering Survey in Himachal
(c) Disputes regarding the Goda­ Pradesh
vari, Narmada and Krishna are before
Tribunals constituted under the 385. PROF NARAIN CHAND PARA-
Inter-Slate Rivers Act and it is not SHAR: Will the Minister of IRRI­
possible to indicate the dates when GATION AND POWER be pleased to
the Tribunals would give their state:
awards. The Centre is making all
possible efforts to secure agreement of (a) whether any rural engineering
the party States regarding other survey has been Undertaken in Hima­
disputes. chal Pradesh during the last three
years;

(b) if so, total amount sanctioned

financial Difficulties fared by DESU
and the findings of this rural engi­
neering survey during the last three
384. SHRI MOHINDER SINGH years; and
GILL: Will the Minister of IRRI­
GATION AND POWER be pleased (c) names of the villages covered by
to state: the survey up-to-date, district-wise
and year-wise?
(a) whether DESU is in financial THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
difficulties as it has not been able to MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
make ex-gratia payments to its em­ POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
ployees and also to the bulk suppliers PRASAD): (a) to (c). The Rural
like Indian Oil Corporation and others; Engineering Surveys Scheme was
sanctioned for Himachal Pradesh m
(b) if so, the reasons tor such acute October, 1971, and the field survey
financial difficulties; ar>d work was commenced by the State
Government late in the year 1978-74
(6) whether in this context DESU
intends to increase the rate of electri­ The total amount of grant-in-aid
city to it* consumers? released to the State Government for
103 Written Answers JULY 34, 1074 Written Answer* *04*

this work during the last three years Kotla vide No. l&-50/70*GHD, dated
was Rs. 2.72 lakhs, the village-wise 31st March, 1978.
surveys have been taken up in the
Amb, Tehsil of Una District. The In 1974 acceptance was received fo r
engineering surveys have been com­ opening PCOs/COs at Awadevi, Jahu
pleted in three villages viz. Amb, and Bijhri vide Himachal Pradesh
Ambota and Daulatpur. On the basis Government letter No, 19-48/73-GHl
of this field work, village-wise re­ (H) dated 26th March, 1974.
port has not been finalised so far by
the State Government. (c) Demand Notes were issued to
Himachal Pradesh Government for
opening P.C.Os./C.Os. at Nankhari,
Awadevi, Jahu and Bijhri. Sanction
Opening M P.C.Os. and C.Os. In H.P. for opening P.C,Os./C,Os. at these*
places will be issued when' Demand
Notes, are paid.
386. PROF. NARAIN CHAND
PARASHAR: Will the Minister of Proposal for a P.C.O./C.O. at Kotla
COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to is being revistjd due to technical
state: reasons and the case is being process­
ed further.
(a) whether offers of Rent and
Guarantee terms for opening P.C.Os.
and C.Os. have been received by the Setting up of Telephone Exchange at
P & T Department from the State fedora in H.P.
Government of Himachal Pradesh dur­
ing the calendar years 1973 and 1974;
387. PROF. NARAIN CHAND
(b) if so, the names of the places PARASHAR: Will the Minister of
foi each of the two categories sepa­ COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to
rately for which such offers have been state-
received and the date of receipt of
the offers by the P & T authorities (a) the date since when the pro­
m each case; and posal to set up a telephone exchange-
at Indora in Himachal Pradesh is.
(c) the names of such places among under the consideration of Govern­
them where P.C.Os. and C.Os. have ment; and
been sanctioned consequent upon the
acceptance of such offers and the like­
(b) the date when the exchange
ly dates of sanction in other cases?
would be sanctioned?
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICA­
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN>
TIONS (PROF. SHER SINGH): (a)
THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICA­
Offers of acceptance of Rent and
TIONS (PROF. SHER SINGH); (a)
Guarantee terms for opening P.C.Os./ 26th May, 1972.
C.Os. have been received from Hima­
chal Pradesh Government for two
places in 1973 and for 3 places in (b) The proposal for opening a
3974. telephone exchange at Indora has;
been examined and found to be un~
(b) In 1973 acceptance was receiv­ remunerative. As per the present
ed for P.C.O./C.O. at Nankhari vide policy of the Department unremunera-
H. P. Government No, 19-77/72-GH tive projects for telephone exchanges;
(H), dated September, 1973 and for cannot be sanctioned.
*0$ Written Answers SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) Written Answers 106

(b) The total power generated

during the month of June from the
various sources are given below:—
386. PROF. NARAIN CHAND
PARASHAR: Will the Minister of
COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to Wflme of the Station Total Genera­
state: tion Million Units
(Kwh)
(a) whether a Telephone Exchange
has been sanctioned for Chauntra in
Jtfandi District of Himachal Pradesh; Thermal

(b) if so, the date when this Ex­ Dhuvaran . .. 246.67

change was sanctioned; and
Ahmedabad .. 110.62
(c) the likely date by which it Utran . .. 32.31
would be set up?
Other Small Thermal
Stations . .. 16.78
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICA­ Nuclear
TIONS (PROF. SHER SINGH): (a) Tarapur 50 per cent
:No, Sir. share . .. 41.95

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

Total .. .. 448.33

Power Generation in Gujarat

(c; There is no shortage of electri­
cal energy m Gujarat.
389. SHRI VEKARIA:
SHRI D. P. JADEJA:

Will the Minister of IRRIGATION

-AND POWER be pleased to state: Opening of New post Offices in
Backward Areas
(a) the total installed capacity of
power generation in the State of 390. SHRI VEKARIA:
*Gujarat at present; SHRI D. P. JADEJA:
(b) the total power generated from
Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­
'the various sources; and TIONS be pleased to state:
(c) whether there is shortfall, if so,
how the shortage is to be met? (a) how many new post offices were
opened in backward areas out of those
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE opened in the country during the year
■MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 1973-74 and during the current finan­
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR cial year upto June, 1974;
PRASAD): (a) The total installed
capacity in Gujarat State at present <b) whether the target fixed by the
is 1263 MW including 200 MW (50 Planning Commission for opening such
per cent share) from Tarapur Atomic post offices during the years 1972-73
Power Station and one hydro unit of and 1973-74 has been achieved; and
75 MW at Ukai which has recently
to*on commissioned in July, 1974. (c) if not, the reasons therefor?
107 Written Answers JULY 24, 1974 Written Answers t0 »

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Withdrawal of TmlnSiiv t»

THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICA­ Indian Scientists by Canada
TIONS (PROF. SHER SINGH):
392 SHRI VEKARIA:
Total Number
number of Post SHRI D. P. JADEJA:
of post offices
offices opened Will the Minister of ATOMIC
opened ir m back- ENERGY be pleased to state:
the ward areas
countj \
(a) whether, m view of the recent
nuclear explosion by India, Canada has
During 1973-71 1307 4«5 withdrawn all training facilities to*
During the cunent Indian scientists;
financial year upto
June, 74 . ^ 20 (b) if so, the reaction of the Indiaa
Government thereto; and
(b) and (c) No target had been (c) the alternative arrangements
fixed for opening post offices for made for training our scientists?
backward areas only
THE PRIME MINISTER, MINIS­
TER OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINIS­
Report of the Committee set up to TER OF ELECTRONICS AND MINIS­
Evaluate System of Recruitment by TER OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA
U.PS.C. GANDHI) (a) No, Sir
391 SHRI VEKARIA:
SHRI ARVIND M PATEL (b) and (c) Do nto arise

Will the PRIME MINISTER

bt pleased to refer to the reply given
Setting up of a Film Corporation
to Unstaned Question No 2097 on the
6th March, 1974 regarding Committee
tc evaluate system of recruitment 393 SHRI P GANGADEB
Inrough examinations by UP SC and
state* Will the Minister of INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING be pleased to
<a) whether the leport of the Com- state:
rmttee has since been received, and
(b) if not, the reasons for delay? (a) whether Government are con-
sideiing the question oi setting up of
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN a Film Corporation,
THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
AND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF (b) if so whether it was being set
PERSONNEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS up to look after the interests of film
MIRDHA)* (a) No, Sir. industry as a whole;
(b) Having regard to the wide (c) functions of the Corporation;
range of subjects covered by the and
terms of reference of the Committee,
the magnitude of the work involved (d) whether arrangement for the
and the various aspects that need import of foreign film® has been
detailed examination, it will take finalised’
some more months for the Committee
to complete then work and submit THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
their report. MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
109 Written Answers SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) Written Answers iio

BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM months of 1073-74 (April—January)

BIR SINHA); (a) and (b). Yes Sir. has been maintained at 0,4 per cent.
Sir.
(c) The Corporation would deal While there has been a general
with the import and export of films; stagnation in industrial production,
their distribution and exhibition in output in a number of industries has
India and abroad; promotion of qua­ shown an improvement in both the pri­
lity films; import and allocation ol vate and public sector. In many indus­
cine-film and other film materials; tries production has been maintained
import of accessories and equipment in spite ot the operation of a number of
by the film industry; etc, major draw backs, such as power cuts
and power interruptions; operational
<d) Some steps for the ad hoc im­ and maintenance problems in some in-
port of films pending the setting up dusties; shortages of material inputs
of the Corporation have been taken. both indigenous and imported, trans­
port difficulties, and other problems.

In respect of 187 selected indus­

Industrial Growth Rate tries for which output data are read­
ily available, as many as 120 indus­
tries registered increases in produc­
tion, and in respect of the remaining
394. SHRI P. GANGADEB: 67 industries, almost half of them
SHRI RAGHUNANDAN LAL have recorded only a marginal dec­
BHATIA: line in production. Shortage of agri­
culture-based raw materials have in­
hibited production growth (or have
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL led to a decline in output) in many
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND industries. Higher levels of capacity
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state: utilisation could not be achieved be­
cause of constraints indicated above,
(a) whether Industrial growth rate compounded by foreign exchange
for 1973-74 was one per cent as ap­ shortage, price increases and at times
peared in a Bombay Paper dated the non-availability of essential raw
2nd June, 1974; material supplies in international
markets.
(b) if so, reasons thereior;

(c) whether large unutilised capa­ Every effort is being made by

cities continue to plague the country; Government to overcome the difficul­
and ties experienced by industry. Mea­
sures have been taken to encourage
import substitution, conserve scarcr
(d) if sci the steps taken in this industrial raw materials, ensure a
regard? more rational allocation of limited
foreign exchange between priority
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE and non-priority industries and to
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRAL DEVE­ secure optimum production in all
LOPMENT (SHRI ZIAUR RAHMAN core and priority industries. In the
ANSARI): (a) to (d). According wake of inescapable cuts on th&
to the latest available data on the supply of furnace oil, 33 important
Official index of industrial production, industries have been given preferred
the growth rate for the first 10 treatment as to allocation of furnace
oil.
in Written Answer* JULY K 1974 WHttm Answer, it *

touatrnmm of Ftftfc PUfl ness allowance for two yeaw and

whole of additional wages and sala-'
lies for om| year and make it com­
395. SHRI D. D. DfiSAI: Will the pulsory for depositing of a specified
Minister of PLANNING be pleased to percentage of the income by those
state: having incomes above Rs. 15,000 per
(a) whether Finalisation of Fifth annum for two years. A number of
Plan ha« run into trouble, if so, the other measures as integral part of
reasons therefor; comprehensive programme to arrest
rise in prices are under active con­
(b) whether the increase in all sideration of the Government.
India average Consumer prices hat
stood in the way of finalisation; ana
(c) if so, the steps taken in this Shortage of Cement in Gujarat
regard?
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING 396. SHRI D. D. DESAI: Will the
(SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): (a) and Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP­
(b). A number of exercises are MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH­
currently under way but finalisation NOLOGY be pleased to state:
of the Draft Fifth Five Year Plan has
been difficult on account of conti­
nuous rise in prices (including con­ (a) whether there is acute cement
sumer prices) both in the country and shortage in Gujarat despite the State
abroad, uncertainty about the inter­ having three cement factories; and
national oil situation and overall
balance of payments position. The (b) i f so, the steps taken in this
Annual Plan for the current year has regard to ensure availability of ce­
been formulated against the back­ ment to common people?
ground of the Draft Fifth Plan while
making appropriate adjustments for
the current difficult economic situa­ THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
tion. MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE­
LOPMENT (SHRI ZIAUR RAHMAN
(c) A number of steps have been ANSARI): (a) and (b). There is
taken to control price line which in­ some shortage of cement in the Statu
clude: strict control on deficit financ­ of Gujarat as a result of overall
ing, bank credit and money supply, shortage of cement in the country.
increase in production of foodgrams To distribute equitably the available
and other essential consumer goods production of cement, quotas were
and of the core sector industries, fixed for each State for the period
strengthening of public distribution July, 1973 to June, 1974 at 110 per
system for eertain selected consumer cent of the average consumption of
goods, augmenting domestic availabi­ cement m each state during the
lity of foodgrains through imports, etc. preceding five years. These quotas
An Ordinance was issued in June, are exclusive of the requirement of
1974 to provide for more s t r i n g e n t the Central Government Departments
punishments under the Essential for works within a paricular State
Commodities Act for hoarding and and also the requirements of large
profiteering. Recently three Ordi­ and medium scale industries, which
nances have been promulgated which are met separately from the Central
limit the distribution of net profits quota. Subject to the annual quotas
and dividends by Companies for two fixed and anticipated availability of
years, provide for Compulsory De­ cement during ejach forthcoming quar­
posit of 50 per cent of additional dear­ ter, the allocations are made quarter­
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Import of Power Equipments during

ly to the State Governments. With First Year of Fifth Flan
<1 view to ensure supplies of cement
te the public at the controlled prices, 398. SHRI BANAMALI BABU;
the State Governments were also re-
SHRI M. S. SANJEEVI RAO:
<quested to issue orders under the Es­
sential Commodities Act regulating SHRI VIRBHADRA SINGH:
the distribution of cement by issue
of permits. Will the Minister of IRRIGATION
AND POWER be pleased to state:
The total supplies of cement made
to the State of Gujarat during 4he last (a) whether Government propose
thrcte years were as follows:— to import power equipments to meet
the gap between the power genera­
tion and demand; and
Year Supplies (in lakh (b) if so, the amount of equipment
tonnes) proposed to be imported during the
1st year of the Fifth Plan Period?
THE MINISTER pF IRRIGATION
1971 •• 13.70 AND POWER (SHRI K. C. PANT):
1972 .. . • 14.05 (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. To the extent
that the indigenous manufacturers
1973 ■• • 12.49 are unable to meet the requirements
of power equipment within the re­
quired time, power equipment is pro­
posed to be imported so that the
power development programme is not
Newspaper Finance Corporation hampered- Each proposal for im­
ports will however be considered on
397. SHRI BANAMALI BABU: merit.
SHRI M. S. SANJEEVI RAO:
For the programme of power
Will the Minister of INFORMATION development included in the Fifth
AND BROADCASTING be pleased to Five Year Plan, the requirements of
state: imports are estimated at 2500 MW
of capacity. During the first year
of the Plan, equipment ordered from
(a) whether Government have abroad in the earlier years will be
taken any decision regarding the received in stages.
Newspaper Finance Corporation
mooted more than three years ago;
and Indo-Sri Lanka Experts Committee
to Stud?' Common Power Grid
(b) if so, the main features there­
of? 399. SHRI BANAMALI BABU;
SHRI M. S. SANJEEVI RAO:
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE SHRI VIRBHADRA SINGH:
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND mil the Minister of IRRIGATION
* BROADCASTING (SHBI DHARAM AND POWER be pleased to state:
SIR SINHA): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. It
is proposed to introduce a Bill fhort- (a) whether India and Sri Lanka,
ly for the setting up of a Newspaper have set up an experts committee to
Finance Corporation, details in study feasibility of « common power
respect et which axe under eonsi- grid;
deratioa.
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(b) If so, the composition of the of the 'Ganga at Farafcka in the lean
Committee and its terms of reference, months through optimum utilisation
and of the water resources of the region
available to the two countries.
(c) the time by which the Com­
mittee is expected to submit its The Commission also reviewed the
report? work carried out since its last meet­
ing and took decisions on further
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE work to be done.
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD): (a) to (c). In the 5th
meeting of the Indo-Sri Lanka Sub-
Distribution of Bus and Truck Tyres
Committee for Economic Coopera­
tion held in Colombo from drd to 7th
June, 1974 it was agreed, after 401. SHRI C. K. JAFFER
preliminary examination of the pro­ SHARIEF:
ject relating to the linking of the Indo- SHRI SHRIKRISHNA
Sn Lanka power grids, to set up a AGRAWAL:
technical committee comprising the
experts of the two Governments to Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
go nto the details of technical and DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE
ecoromic aspects and report to the AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to
twv Governments. The composition state:
of the Committee, terms of reference
and the time by which the Committee (a) whether there is any proposal
is expected to submit the report have under the consideration of Govern­
not yet been decided. ment for the distribution of bus and
truck tyres by fixing a quota for each
Indo-Bangladesh Talks on River legisteied vehicle;
Waters in June, 1974
(b) if so, whether Central Govern­
400 SHRI BANAMALI BABU ment have also taken into considera­
SHRI M S. SANJEEVI RAO; tion the suggestions of various States
SHRI VIRBHADRA SINGH: . in this regard, and

Will the Minister of IRRIGATION (c) ll so, the facts thereof?

AMD POWER be pleased to state:
THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
( i) whether Indo-Bangladesh talks
On river waters were held in June, TECHNOLOGY AND AGRICULTURE
3074, and (SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM): (a) to
(b) if so, the outcome thereof? (c). Govt. have, in association with
the tyre industry, recently introduced
THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION a new scheme of distribution of tyres
AND POWER (SHRI K. C. PANT):
(a; Yes, Sir. and tubes, with objective of ration­
'b) In pursuance of the directions alising the distribution arrangements
contained in the Joint Declaration of in the country, having regard to all
the Prime Ministers of India and
B^gladesh of 17th May, 1974, the relevant factors including the vehicle
Commission draw up an appropriate population of each State. The State
piogramme to study the best means Govts, have also been consulted in
of augmenting the fair whether flow
this regard.
II7 Written Answers SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) W itten Answers 1 18-

Implementation of Award on Ckani r THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE

garh MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE­
LOPMENT (SHRI 2IAUR REHMAN
402. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH ANSARI): (a) and (b). According to,
RAO: the latest available data, industrial
SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH production hes increased by only 0.4
MAUK: per cent during the first 10 months of
1973-74 (April-January) as compared
Will the Minister of HOME to the growth rate of 5.3 per cent
AFFAIRS be pleased to state: achieved in 1972-73 over 1971-72 and
growth rate of 3.3 per cent achieve in
ia> the progress so far made in the 1971-72 over 1970-71.
implementation of the Prime Minis­
ter's award on Chandigarh; and While there has been a general
stagnation in industrial production,
(b) the reasons for delay in set­ output in a number of industries has
ting up the proposed Boundary Com­ shown an improvement in both the
mission? private and public sector. In many
industries, production has been main­
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE tained inspite of the operation of a
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS number of major draw-backs, such as
(SHRI F. H. MOHSIN): (a) and (b). power cuts and power interruptions;
The various matters relating to the operational and maintenance problems-
.-innouncement made by the Central in some industries; shortages of
Government on 29th January, 1970 in material inputs, both indigenous and
regard inter alia to Chandigarh are imported; transport difficulties, and
under consideration in consultation other problems.
with the State Governments. In terms
cl that announcement there is, how- Shortages of agriculture-based raw
cvei, no question of setting up a materials have inhibited production
Boundary Commission in regard to ffrowth (or have led to a decline in
Chandigarh. output) in many industries. Higher
levels of capacity utilisation could
Decline in Industrial Production not be achieved because of constraints,
indicated above, compounded by
403. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH foreign exchange shortage, price in-
RAO; ci eases and el times, non-availability
SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGII of essential raw materials supplies in
MALIK: international markets.
Every effort is being made by Gov­
Will the Minister o' INDUSTRIAL ernment to overcome the difficulties
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE experienced bv Industry. Measures
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to have been taken to encourage import
state: substitution, conserve scarce industrial
law material, ensure a more rational
(a) whether the Industrial Produc­ allocation of limited foreign exchange
tion during the year 1973-74 has dec­ 1 etween priority and non-priority in­
lined as compared to that in the pre­ dustries and to secure optimum pro­
ceding two years and the extent duction in all core and priority in­
thereof; and dustries. In the wake of inescapable
lb) if i*o, the reasons uicrefor and cuts on the supply of furnace oil, 33
steps takefi by Government to in­ important industries have been given
crease the industrial production in preferred treatment as to allocation of
the country? furnace oil.
 J I9 Writ**# Ammer, JULY 24, OT« Written A n tm n 120

fommtHw t» to M h a h t a M I. Short term, problem*

JPwMm* »t H u rm , Faatik ana
D«BU
(a) To examine the demand and sup­
ply of scarce raw materials needed by
*404. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH industries in the region and to sug­
RAO; gest measures for ensuring reasonable
SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH supply and equitable distribution.
MALIK:
(b) A periodic review of the posi­
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL tion of power availability in the region
'DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state: so as to recommend suitable steps for
equitable distribution.
(a) Whether Government of India (c) To deal with problems of trans­
.have set up a standing Committee to portation including inter-State traffic.
examine the Industrial problems of
the States of Haryana, Punjab and (d) To make an appraisal of the
Delhi; existing schemes of industrial finance
(b) if so, the composition of the with a view to achieving' a balanced
Committee; and availability of finance.
(c) the terms of reference of the (e) Any other matters relating to
Committee?
industrial Development brought before
THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL the Committee from time to time.
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY AND AGRICULTURE 2. Long term problems.
(SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM): (a) Yes,
(a) Preparation of a long-term co­
Sir.
ordinated programme of industrial
(b) The Committee was constituted
development for the region taking into
under the chairmanship of Special
Secretary, Ministry of Industrial Deve­ account available material, finance and
lopment with the following member­ infrastructure resources.
ship;—
(i) representatives of Planning (b) Identification of fields of indus­
Commission, Department of t r y needing modernisation and recom­
Banking, Ministry of Steel & mendations for drawing up a suitable
Mines, Ministry of Irrigation
programme in this connection.
and Power, Ministry of Com­
merce, Ministry of Railways, (c) Identifying areas which would
Development Commissioner.
Small Scale Industries, Indus­ be suitable in terms of infrastructure
trial Development, Bank of and ancillary support for the establish­
India; ment of large industrial undertakings.
(ii) Secretaries (Industries) Gov­
ernments of Punjab, Haryana (dj Review the long term' energy
and Union Territory of Delhi; problems of the region and suggest
and appropriate measures to deal with
(iii) Representative of Punjab, Har­ them.
yana and Delhi Chamber of
Commerce. (e) To draw up a plan for fully ex­
(c) The Committee hag the follow­ ploiting the ncpon potential of the
ing terms of reference. area.
121 Written Answers SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) Written Answers 122:.

afctrtfer of a M m Lealtr to Tde-CammtmlcMion net work la

M l Distftot <UP) Kashmir Valley

405, SHRI BIRENDER SINGH

406. SHRI D. P. JADEJA;
RAO:
SHRI ARVIND M. PATEL:
Will the Minister of HOME
AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­
TIONS be pleased to state:
(a) whether Mrs. Kunti, a Harijan
Leader in Banda District, was shot
dead on the I7th June, 1074; (a) whether in order to improve
the tele-communication net work in
(b) whether any inquiry has been the Kashmir Valley which is subject
instituted by Government into the
matter; and to vagaries of nature, a scheme was
drawn up in 1964 for inter-connecting
(c) so, the result of the inquiry? all important towns in the valley by
underground cables;
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND
(b) what was the actual cost of the
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSO­ project and whether the project has.
NNEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): since been completed; and
(a; to (c). According to information
received from the Government of Uttar (c) if so, the facts about the pro­
Pradesh, Shrimati Kunti wife of one ject?
Shri Bairagi alias Ram Din Singh of
village Lultara in district Banda, died THE MINISTER* OF STATE IN THE
on June, 16, 1974, when she was being MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS
taken to hospital after having received (PROF. SHER SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir.
bullet injuries on her person. It was (b) The actual cost of the project is
said to be a case of accidental firing approximately Rs. 30.9 lakhs. The
from the gun of one Constable Chhote- scheme has been completed.
lal, who had gone to the village to
make inquiries about a gang of dacoits. (c) The Scheme provided for laying
The Constable who had 8180 received under ground cables linking Anantnagr
bullet injuries was reported to be Baramula and Sopore with Srinagar;
undergoing treatment in the hospital. installation of auto exchanges at the
A case X7/S 304-A I.P.C. was register­ first three places (Srinagar was alrea­
ed against the Constable and is under dy an auto-exchange) and connecting,
Investigation. The Constable has been these stations to Srinagar for Subscri­
placed under suspension. A magiste­ ber Trunk-dialling.
rial inquiry is being conducted by the
S.D.M., Banda* The State Govern­ Subscriber Trunk Dialling from the
ment have also reported that Shrimati above three stations to Srinagar and*
Kunti was not a member of Schedu­ vice versa was commissioned in March
led Caste Community. 1969.
a 23 Written Answers JULY 2i, 1974 Written Answers 124

New Telephone connections in Delhi Open Air Movie Theatres in Delhi

407. SHRI 1SHAQUE SAMBHALI: 408. SHiRI M S. PURTY: Will the

SHRI NAWAL KISHORE Mincer of INFORMATION AND
BKOADCASTIICG be pleased to stale;
SHARMA:

Will the Minister o' COMMUNICA­ (a) whether Government have

TIONS be pleased to state: i-tarted open air movie theatres in the
capital; and
(a) whether Delhi Telephone autho­
rities have announced that during (b) if so, whether Government
1974 no new Telephone connections would like to start such open movie
vculd be given and if so, the reasons
theatres throughout the country?
tl-erefor;

(b) whether officers upto certain THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE

tanks in Government of India ore MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
piven telephone connections automati­ BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM
cally at their residence and if so, the
acasons for this; and BIR SINHA): (a) and (b). The open-
air theatre at Rabmdra Rangshala on
an experimental basis has been utilis­
(c) whether this would be reviewed ed for exhibition of films. There is
and only those who require telephone
ior emergency contact would be given no other specific proposal under con­
connections? sideration at present.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE

MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS Production of Cement
(PROF. SHER SINGH): (a) Most of
the Exchanges of the Delhi Telephones 4Oil. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN.
System are overloaded. Provision of
telephone connections in bulk will thus Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
only tend to adversely affect the qua­ DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
lity of the service available to the TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state:
existing subscribers. Wherever load­
ing permits connections are being pro­
(a) whether the production ct
vided.
cement has gone up since May, 1974;

(b) and (c). Telephones at the resi­ (b) if so, the total production since
dences of Government Officers are by May, 1974 State-wise; and
and large provided in the interest of
(c) the controlled price per bag
Government work. Often this is de­
and the price on which it is available
termined by the rank the officer holds.
in the market?
As a measure of economy the tele­
phones provided in Government offices THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
and at the residences of the officers MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE­
rre under review by the respective LOPMENT (SHRI ZIATJiR RAHMAN
Minitftries/Departments. ANSARI): (a) to (c). As against pro-
1*5 Written Answer* SRAVANA 2, 1806 (SAKA) Written. Answers 126
duction of 10,01 lakh tonnes m Mgy, 1974 the production of cement in June
1974 was 11.60 Jakh tonnes. The Statewis© production is indicated
below: —

Name of the State Production in tonnes

Ma>,i974 June, 1974

1 . Madhya Pradesh 2-11,759 2,lb,flR

2 . Haryana 40,862 41.728

3. Bihar . 1,27,451 i, 4 0 ,T34

4 . Gujarat 6 9 ,3 3 7 1,12,752

5. Rajasthan 86,070 1,12.011

6 . Uttar Pradesh 5 4 ,73 8 4S,926

7 . Assam 6,ISO

O
O
r
8 . Orissa . 4 5 .3 7 7 65,690

9 . Maharashtra . 40,677 25,989

10. Ardhra Pradesh 1,07,190 1,10,752

1 1 . Tamil Nat’u . 1,00,247 1.64,768

12. Karnataka 1 , 1 0 ,7 9 1 1 , 1 2 ,122

13. Kerala . 19

T otal : . 10,00,568 ii,59 590

The price and distribution of cement Reorganisation of Telecommunication

is regulated under the provisions of the and Postal Services
Cement Control Order, 1967. Under
this Order, a uniform t.o.i. destination 410 SHRI C JANARDHANAN:
Will the Minister oi COMMUNICA­
price is fixed which is presently Rs.
TIONS be pleased to &tate:
155.00 per tonnes exclusive of Excise
duty (Rs. 42.63) and packing charges (a) whether Government have ueen
(Rs. 43.33). contemplating reorganisation of I’ae
telecommunication and postal servic­
es; and
Under clause 10 of the order, the
•wholesale and retail price at which (b) if so, the facts thereof?
cement may be sold is to -be fixed by
the State Governments after taking THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
into account the above price, handling MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS
and transport charges, godown char­ (PROF. SHER SINGH); (a) and (b).
ges, stockists margin of profit, local Some proposals are under examination
taxes, if any and additional road trans­ by P & T Board for realignment of
port where allowed. These prices vary the Postal and the Telecommunication
from State to State and from place to services in the field at the P & T
place in the same State. Circle level.
127 Written Annum TOLY 24, 1874 WrtttM A m w tn 138

iMelfWttMi of Jdftf <m Ottummil power cuts were in force in Guj*rat

BMis % Centra! Services during May and upto 10th June 1974,
due to inadequate availability of peak­
ing capacity (There was, normally no
411. SHRI C JANARDHANAN: energy shortage):
Will the PRIME MINISTER be
pleased to state: (i) Recess staggering to HT con­
sumers during evening peak
'a) whether Government propose hours.
to introduce job reservation on com­
munal basis m the Central Services: (ii) 6 per cent reduction of the
and average of the maximum de­
mand of last three months of
(b) if so, the outlines of the propo­ HT industrial consumers ex­
sal and the steps proposed to be taken cluding continuous process in­
in this regard? dustries and essential consu­
mers.
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (iii) Night power supply only to
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND all low and high tension con­
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON­ sumers asking for new loads
NEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) of above 10 HP.
<a> Beyond the existing reservations
for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled (iv) Complete restriction on use of
Tnbes, which are covered by the pro­ power supply for neon-signs,
visions of Article 16(4) read with posters, advertisements and
Article 355 of the Constitution, there is displays.
no proposal to introduce reservations
in Central Services on a communal A 15 per cent energy cut was impos­
basis. ed on all HT and LT industrial consu­
mers from 8th to 18th May, 1974 owing
(b) Does not arise. to outage at Tarapur Atomic Power
Station and shortage of oil at Dhuva-
Power Cut In Gujarat In May and ran power station.
June, 1974
All the restrictions have been lifted
from 10th June 1974,
412. SHRI P M. MEHTA Will the
Minister of IRRIGATION AND
POWER be pleased to state:

Setting up of an Atomic power Plant

la) whether the State Government In Gujarat
of Gujarat had imposed 15 pe** cent
power cut in the State in the months
of May and June, 1974;
413 SHRI P M MEHTA: Will th^
(b) if so, the main reasons Cor the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be
5aine; and pleased to state:
(c) when the power cut will be (a) whether Government have
restored in the State? tnken a final decision in regard to the
setlmg up of an atomic power plant
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE In Gujarat; and
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER’ (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA­ (h) if not, when the final decision
SAD): (a) to (c). The following is likely to be taken?
 129 Written Answer* SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) Written Answers 130
THE PRIME MINISTER, MINIS­ Setting up of a Telephone Mannfac-
TER OP ATOMIC ENERGY MINIS­ tnriftg Want in Gujarat
TER OF ELECTRONICS AND MINIS­
TER OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA
GANDHI): (a) and (b). No Sir. The 415. SHRI P. M. MEHTA: Will the
report of the Site Selection Committee Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be
on the location of a nuclear power pleased to state:
plant in the Western Electricity Re­ (a) whether the Gujarat State
gion has been referred back to the Government have asked the Centre to
Committee for certain additional set up a telephone manufacturing
information on site conditions. A de­ plant in Gujarat in the public sector
cision can be taken in the matter only like the one at Bangalore; and
after the additional information is re­
ceived and considered by Government. (b) whether the Union Government
have approved the proposal, and if 90,
when the project is likely to be set
Reference of Narmada Water Dispute up?
Issue to Tribunal
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
414. SHRI P. M. MEHTA: Will the MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS
Minister of IRRIGATION AND (PROF. SHER SINGH): (a) Yes.
POWER be pleased to state:
(b) The question of location of the-
(a) whether there is a proposal new factories of the Indian Telephone
under consideration of Government to Industries Ltd.. to be set up during the
refer back Narmada water dispute Fifth Five Year Plan is under Govern^1
issue to the tribunal, and ment\ consideration.

(b) if so, what is the latest posi­

tion" Changes in Aviation Policy
416. SHRI DEVINDER STNGH
THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION
GARCHA- Will the Minister of
AND POWER (SHRI K. C. PANT) ■
PLANNING be pleased to state:
(a) to (c) The Narmada Water Dis­
pute had been referred to a Tribunal
fn 1969 In 1972. the concerned States (a) whether Planning Commission
entered into an agreement and icques- propose to bring about some major
ted the Prime Minister to give an changes in the aviation policy of the
award on two of'the issues in dispute. country,
However, in accordance with the (b) if so. what changes have been
agreement reached between the four suggested: and
party States on the 12th July. 1974.
the decision on the dispute, including fc) the reaction of the Government
the two issues earlier referred to the to these changes?
Prime Minister, would be given by the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
Tribunal The agreement also pro­ MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI
vides that the parties would approach MOHAN DHARIA): (a) No, Sir. The
the Tribunal to delete/modifv a num­ Planning Commission have, however,
ber of issues on which they have emphasised the need for integrated
reached agreement and the Govern­ planning of all modes of transport in­
ment of Rajasthan and Madhya Pra­ cluding civil aviation in order to opti­
desh would withdraw from the mise the total investment in transport
Supreme Court their appeals arising
sector.
out of decisions given by the Tribunal
<on certain preliminary issues. (b) and (c). Do not arise.
* « • L.S.—fc
131 Written Answers JULY 24, 1974 Written Answers 132
Setting up of Paper Units by Large (b) A $.hortage of electric power of
Industrial Houses varying intensities was experienced in.
some of the States. The main reason.
for the power shortage was that the
417. SHRI DEVINDER SINGH demand increased faster than the.
GARCHA: Will the Minister of generating capacity. The shortfalls in.
INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND adding to generating capacity were
SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY be caused by a number of factors, includ�
pleased to stlate:
ing inadequate funds, delays in obtain,-.
ing scarce inputs equipment and com­
(a) whether Government intend to pleting Civil Work:, etc.
aHow larg,e industrial houses to step
in for setting up new paper units in (c) In order to maximise the avail­
the country; and ability of power, the following steps,
are being taken :
(b) if so, the steps taken in this (i) The utilisation of existing po­
direction so far? wer installations is being ma­
ximised by a variety of mea­
THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
sures.
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY AND AGRICULTURE (ii) The programme of construct­
(SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM): (a) Ac­ ing inter-State lines and set­
cording to the current licensing policy ting up of load despatch
Pulp, Paper and Newsprint industry is stations is being expedited.
one of the industries which are open
for participation to Large Industrial (iii) The projects which are near­
ing completion are being ex-·
Houses.
pedited to e!.1sur� eary com­
(b) Does not arise. missioning of the generating
units.
(iv) Exchange of power between
Shortfall in Power Generating neigthbouring States is being:
Capacity encouraged so as to achieve
optimum utilisation of genera'­
418. SHRI H. M. PATEL: Will the ting capacity and mm1m1se
Minister of IRRIGATION AND the requirements of reserves.
POWER be pleased to state: (v) The system energy losses r,re
being reduced by installation·
(a) whether the power generating of capacitors an d other mea-·
capacity in the country has declined sure·.s.
during the last one year;
Site of Bhimkund Dam Project
(b) if so, the extent of shortfall and
the reasons therefor; and 419. SHRI ARJUN SETHI : W iH the
Minister of IRRIGATION AND
(c) the steps taken b y Government POWER be pleased to state:
to meet the situation created j)y the
shortfall in generating capacity? (a) whether the State Government
have intimateci· their decision on the
THE DEPUTY MINIS'I1ER IN THE proposed site of Bhimkund Dam Pro­
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND ject in Oris3a;
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA­ (b) if so, the name of the site; and'
SAD): (a) During the last year, the
installed generating capacity in the (c) whether Gover nment are consi­
country increased by 400 · MW after dering the project report of the dam
takin'g into account the retirement of project to include it for execution int
some old sets. the Fifth Five Year Plan?
133 Wrttttn Angwert SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) Written Answers 134
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (c) The Khadi Commission has in­
formed that the Society could not be
MINISTRY Or IRRIGATION AND
assisted in 1973-74 due to paucity of
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA­ funds but has indicated that allocation
SAD): (a) Yes Sir. is being made in the current year.

(b) Noapara in Keonjhar district.

(c) The project report has not as yet Newsprint Factory in Orissa
been received in the Central Water &
Power Commission. The inclusion of 421. SHRI ARJUN SETHI: Will the
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP­
the project in the Fifth Plan would, MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH­
however, depend upon its techno-eco­ NOLOGY be pleased to refer to the
nomic feasibility and availability of reply given to Unstarred Question
No. 3521 on the 5th December, 1973
funds with the State Government. regarding newsprint factory in Orissa
and state:
Complaint against K.V.I.C. from
Orissa (a) whether the draft Fifth Five
Year Plan provisions have been
420. SHRI ARJUN SETHI: Will the finalised;
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE­ (b) if so, whether the decision for
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND having a newsprint factory in Orissa
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to rtate: has been taken, and

(a) whether a letter from President (c) if not, the reasons therefor?
of Farasidmga Blacksmith Coopera­
tive Society, Balatiofe, Orissa and THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
other1? making certain complaints TECHNOLOGY AND AGRICULTURE
against the Khadi and Village Indus­ (SHRI C. SUBRAMAN1AM): (a) and
tries Commission has been forwarded (b). There is no proposal in the draft
Fifth Five Year Plan for the setting
to his Ministry; up of a newsprint plant in Orissa
(b) if so, tht* nature of complaints; (c) Does not arise.
and
(c) whether tney have been enquir­
ed into and remedies and Sf not, the
Ban of opening of New Branch Post
reasons therefor? Offices in Balasore District
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 422. SHRI ARJUN SETHI: Will the
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE­ Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be
LOPMENT (SHRI ZIAUR RAHMAN pleased to state:
ANSARl): (a) Yes, Sir. (a)whether there is a ban on qpett*
ing new branch post offices in th*
(b) The President of the Society re­ District of Balasore, Orissa;
presented against the-won-availability
(b) if so, the reasons and nature o f
of financial assistance from the Khadi
ban and when the ban will be lifUtft
Commission. and
135 Written Answers JULY 24, 1974 W ntter Answers 13$

(c) whether Government have THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE

agreed to open a F.CO at Langales- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
war and Branch Post Offices at Sotfn- (SHRI F H MOHSIN) (a) to (d)
nathpur village and Jayadeb Kasba Government have decided to set up
village in the Distnct of Balasore’ a Home in Union Territory of Pondi­
cherry for aged and mflrxn freedom
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN fighters who have no one to look after
THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNI­ The Union Territory Administration
CATIONS (PROF SHER SINGH) have been requested to select a suit­
(a) Yes Sir. able site and their detail proposals are
awaited Various points like number
(b) Theie is a ban on opening of ol freedom fighters to be admitted
new post offices throughout the Coun­ c*»n be considered when decisions re­
try except m the very Backward and garding the accommodation and
Hilly areas This is due to the another administrative matters have
the present economic stringeuc\ The been taken
ban is likely to continue as long as
pesent economic situation continues
bupply of Krishna Waters to Drought
(c) (1) P C O a1 Langale w tr No affected areas of Rayalaseema
Sir
( 11) Branch Post Offices at S m- 424 SHRI P VENKATASUB-
nathpur and layadeb Ki sba
BAIAH Will the Minister of IRRI­
villages—The proposals aie GATION AND POWER be pleased to
being examined but a de­ state
cision will be taken only af­
ter the ban is lifted
(a) whether an> 1 epresentation ha»
been made to the Central Govern
Home in South India for Aged Ailing ment with legard to making available
and Physically Handicapped Freedom
the waters of river Krishna for the
Fightere
diought dfftcted areas of Rayalaseema
423 SWAMI BRAHMANANDJI as per the Subhag Pact enteied into
SHRI SHANKAR DEV by the leaders of coastal Districts and
the leaders of Rayalaseema on the eve
Will the Minister of HOME oj the formation of Andhia State
AFFAIRS be pleased to state fiom the composite Madras State

(a) whether any site has been (b) whether the Irrigation Com­
secured for establishing m South mission has mommended fot giving
India a permanent Home for the top priority to the drought affected
aged infirm ailing and physically areas m the matter of providing irrt
handicapped Freedom Fighters, gation facilities and if necessary
thiough uiter-basin transfers of water
(b) if so, whether any construction to cater to the areas which are defi­
has been started and if not when is jt cient m both servue and ground
proposed to stait it water and
(c) whether the number of the
aged Freedom Fighters to be admitted (c) if so the steps Government
to the Home will be limited to only propose to take to provide Krishna
Mty and waters to the drought affected area*
of Rayalaseema’
(d) if the number of the Aged
Freedom Fighters seeking admission THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION
exceeds fifty, how Government pro­ AND POWER (SHRI K C PANT)
pose to accommodate all of them9 (a) Yes Sir, some representation*
137 Wriitcw Answers SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) Written Answers 138

have been received asking for takir.g Assistance to Andhra Pradesh In

up new irrigation schemes in the pursuance of Six-Point Formula
Rayalaseema area consequent upon
the award of the Krishna Water Dis­ m . SHRI P. BENKATASUB-
putes Tribunal. BA1AH: Will the Minister of HOME
(b) Yes, Sir. AFP AIRS be pleased to state the steps
taken so far by Government to provide
(c) Certain projects like the Tunga- special financial assistance to Govern­
bhadra Low Level Canal, Tungabhadra ment of Andhra Pradesh in the matter
High Level Canal (Stage I Stage II) of development of backward areas
and Kurnool Cuddapah Canal, utili­ in pursuance of the six-point formula?
sing Krishna Waters for irrigating
areas in Rayalaseema, are already
under execution. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
(SHRI F. H: MOHSIN); G o v e r n m e n t
have a n n o u n c e d a s p e c i a l assistance of
Tribunal's Awart! o» allocation of Rs. 9 0 c r o r e s d u r i n g the fifth five year
Krishna Waters among Karnataka, plan p e r i o d lor the development of
Maharashtra and Andhra Pradesh backward areas o f Andhra Pradesh.
This a s s i s t a n c e will be e a r m a r k e d in
425. SHRI P. VENKATSUB- the ratio of 5:3:2 between Teiengana;
BAIAH: Will the Minister of IRRI­ Rayalaseema and Coastal Regions of
GATION AND POWER be pleased to Andhra Pradesh. The Andhra Pra­
state: desh G o v e r n m e n t have been asked
to s u b m i t specific schemes in this re­
(a) whether the Tribunal’s award On gard.
the allocation of Krishna Waters
between the States of Karnataka,
Maharashtra and Andhra Pradesh has
been finalised by the Government of Assistance for completion of spillover
India; and Rriver Valley Irrigation and Power
Projects
( b ) whether all these State Govern­
ments havp sought clarifications with 427. SHRI P. VENKATASUB-
regard to th<> allocation of Krishna BA1AH: Will the Minister of IRRIGA­
waters and if so, what are they? TION AND POWER be pleased to
state:
THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION
AND POWER (SHRI K. C. PANT): (a) the number of spillover river
<a) and (b) The Krishna Waters Tri­ valley irrigation and power projects
bunal gave its award m December. in the country started during the
1973. Subsequently; the Slates of Second. Third and Fourth Plan
Andhra Pradesh; Karnataka; Maha­ periods;
rashtra as well as the Central Gov­
ernment have sought clarifications (b) the original estimates and the
from the Tribunal in regard to revised estimates of these schemes*
certain point!* in the award. These and
references are under consideration of
the Tribnal. The award give earlier
shall be deemed to be modified by the (c) whether any special assistance
clarifications/explanations with the is being given to the various State
Tribnal may now give on these re- Governments to complete these pro­
feroxMM. jects during the Fifth Plan period?
139 Written Anmom JULY 34, JjT74 Written Anstfet* 140

THE DKPUTY MINISTER IN THE (b) A detailed project report dra«m

MINISTRY QT IRRIGATION AND up for the purpose envisages a phased
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA­ programme off modernisation of selec­
SAD); (a) 208 irrigation (major and ted small industries To begin with
medium) and 67 power schemes taken five industries viz. Foundry, Hosiery,
Up since the beginning of the Second Domestic! electrical appliances, Auto­
Plan are spilling over into the Fifth mobile components and accessories
Plan are proposed to be taken up Pack­
age of assistance contemplated under
(b) The original estimated cost at the programme of modernisation in­
the time of sanction and that assessed cludes supply of machinery and equip­
now Is as under — ment on hire purchase basis, credit
facilities and financial incentives,
supply of raw materials, techno-mana­
Original As assessed
now gerial assistance etc

(Rs crores')
(c) An outlay of Rs 1 crore has
been tentatively fixed for the Fifth
Irrigation (maior & Five-Year Plan
medium) 1364 30S1
Power 2045 3014

(c) In making allocation of funds Proposal to produce T V Feature

for the V Plan, priority has been given Films from Calcutta
to the completion of continuing works

429 SHRI BANAMALI PATNAIK

Assistance to Small Scale Industries is Will the Minister of INFORMATION
Fifth Plan AND BROADCASTING be pleased to
state
428 SHRI BANAMALI PATNAIK
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL (a) whether it is proposed to pro­
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE duce T V feature films from Calcutta
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to by the end of the year
state

(a) whether package assistance n (b) if so, the salient features of the
to be extended to small scale indus­ proposal and decision thereon, and
tries by the Umon Government on a
selective basis under a programme of (c) the need for their pioduction
modernisation to be undertaken in the and the allocation ‘made for the pur­
Fifth Plan
pose’
(b) if so, the salient features there­
of, and
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
(c) the allocation made for the BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM
purpose and criteria fixed’ BIR SINHA) (a) to (c). The question
of setting up of Television film pro­
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE duction centres at dffiettept places
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE­ under consideration. Details will be
LOPMENT (SHRI ZIAUR REHMAN worked out when the scheme is
ANSARI): (a) Yes, Sir
finalised and approved
if41 Wrttte* Amrteerj SRAVANA 2, ISM (SAKA) Written AiKtom 142
Jndian Scientiata, Tochaetogi*, and (SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM): The
Bngiaeerm working Abroad exact figure is not known. The Coun­
cil of Scientific and Industrial Research
480. SHRIMATI BXBHA GHOSH (CSIR) maintains an ‘Indian Abroad”
GOSWAMU: Will the Minuter of Section of the National Register for
SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY be registration of Indian scientists, engi­
pleased to state the number of Indian neers, technologists etc. abroad. The
Scientiats, Technologists and Engi­ registration is voluntary, According
neers, Country-wise, working abroad? to <the information available in the
Register 7,389 Indian scientists, engi­
THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL neers and technologists were abroad as
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND on 1st January, 1974. The country-
TECHNOLOGY AND AGRICULTURE wise distribution is given below:—

Country
Subject -----------------------------------
USA Canada U.K. Germany OEC ANZ Others Total

Science 1602 348 484 15* 228 59 142 3015

Engg. . i 433 211 1303 532 165 34 X36 3814
Technology. 186 20 170 no 29 16 39 560

TOfAL 3221 579 1957 794 422 109 307 7389

OFC - Other European Countries.

ANZ*= A u s t r a lia a n d N e w z e a la n d .

Criteria for laming Licences for 1971, had decided that licensing of
Production of T V. Sets capacity for the manufacture of TV
sets should be based on the following
guidelines;
431. SHRI BHOLA MANJHI: Will
the Minister of ELECTRONICS be (i) there is no need for foreign
pleased to state: collaboration of know-how
for the manufacture of TV
(a) the criteria *or issuing licences sets in India;
for production of T.V. sets; and
(ii) no TV sets with foreign
Ob) the number of licences so far brand names should be al­
issued? lowed to be manufactured
and no licences need be given
THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER to companies with foreign
OP ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER equity holdings;
OP ELECTRONICS AND MINISTER
OP SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA (iii) 50 per cent or more of the
GANDHI): (a) The Electronics Com­ total capacity should be sane*
mission, soon after its formation in tinned to unite in the small
 143 Written Answers * JUI*Y 24* 1994 JffnUvn 144.

scale sector and here prefer- Telephones District in - thig regard.

ence would be given to quali­ There has, however, been some think­
fied engineers/scientists and ing on these lines with a view to re­
consortia of small scale units; organise the administrative structure
of the telephone Districts following
(iv) reasonable capacity would be the pattern of telecom, administration
licensed to public sector un­ in certain developed countries.
dertakings, both Central and
State and those involving (b) and (c). A proposal to consti­
State Industrial Development tute autonomous corporations for
Corporations; management of the Telephone system
in Delhi and other metropolitan cities,
(v) efforts would be made to dis­ was^aiso' considered by the Department
tribute the manufacture equi­ some time back The proposal was
tably throughout the country. not found feasible.

(b) The above criteria are being Reorganisation of the management

implemented in grant of Licences/ap- structure of Delhi Telephone and other
provals 10 Licences. have been issued similai telephone systems with a view
in the organised sector (for a capa­ to improve the performance of the
city of 1,05,000 nos per annum of systems is under active consideration.
which 7 involve pubhc sector under­
takings for a capacity 55,000) and1 67
approvals in the small scale sector (for
a capacity of 2,16,800 nos. per an­ Setting up of a Generator at Trombay
num). (Maharashtra)

Conversion of Delhi Telephone into a 433 SllRI BHOLA MANJHI: Will

Corporation the Minister of IRRIGATION AND
POWER be pleased to state:

432 SHRI BHOLA MANJHI Will (a) whethci the Maharashtra State
the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS Government has asked the Centre to
be pleased to ^tate; set up a geneiator in the private
sectoi dl Trombay; and
(a) whether a suggestion was made
by the General Manager of Delhi
Telephones to convert Delhi Tele­ (b) if so, the main leatures thereof
phones into a “Corporation” or to and Governments reaction thereto’
give wide powers to it for improving
the telephone service; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
(b) whether Government have POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
considered the proposal, and PRASAD): (a) and (b). The Maha­
rashtra Government has recommended
(c) if so, the facts thereof and deci­
for clearance a proposal of the Tata
sion thereon?
Electric Companies to install a 500
MW generating set at their Trombay
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Thermal Power Station, at a total esti­
THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICA­ mated cost of Rs. 87,41 crores. Coal
TIONS (PROF. SHER SINGH): (a) for the unit would be brought by sea;
No formal proposals have been receiv. from Bengal/Bihar coalfields. The
ed from the General Manager, Delhi proposal is under examinations
*45 Written Answers SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) Written Answers 146.

Backward Areas Development THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN

Corporations THE MINISTRY OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING (SHRI DHA~
434. SHRI RAJA KULKARN1: Will RAM BIR SINHA): (a) There was na
the Minister of PLANNING be pleased campaign against the striking rail­
to state: waymen. As public media, Radio, TV
and D.A.V P made efforts and during
(a) whether Government have any and D.A.V.P Made efforts before and
proposal to set up Backward Area during the railway strike to explain
Development Corporations; and the implications* of the railway
strike in social and economic terms to
(b) if <50, the steps taken so far to the people Efforts were also made
bet up such Corporations? to explain to the railway workers
these implications with a view to ex­
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN plaining Government policy on the
THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING relevant issues
(SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): (a) A
proposal to constitute a Backward (b) to (d). Does not arise.
Arra Industrial Development Corpo­
ration is under consideration of the
Government. Anti-Malayalee campaign in
Tamil Nadu
(b) An informal group has been
$et up m the Ministry of Industrial 436 SHRi C. K CHANDRAPPAN:
Development for working out the de­ WilJ the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS
tails be pleased to state:
(a) whether the Kerala Chief Mini­
ster had written to the Centre about
Use of Radio, T. V. and D. A. V. P. the Anti-Malayalee campaign con­
to campaign against striking ducted by some people m Tamil Nadu
Railwaymen which posed a serious problem for
both Kerala and Tamil Nadu;
435. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN:
Will the Mmibter ot INFORMA­ (b) if so, the facts thereof; and
TION AND BROADCASTING be
pleased to state: (e) steps taken by the Centre to
ensure protection to Malayalees in
(a) whether the Radio, Television Tamil Nadu?
and D. A. V. P were used at the time
of the recent Railway strike to cam­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
paign against the striking Railway­ THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
men; AND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF
(b) if so, how much time of the PERSONNEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS
AIR and Television was utilized for MIRDHA): (a) and (b). In a recent
this purpose; communication to the Prime Minister
on the incident of 26-5-1974 which oc­
(c) how many advertisements were curred in Madras, the Chief Minister
released through D. A. V. P. in this of Kerala referred to attacks by a
regard; and mob on shops belonging to Malayalees
(d) whether there was strong re­ and certain cinema halls exhibiting
sentment against the misuse of these Malayalees films. He also referred to
Government owned media of mass an earlier incident in which a group-
oommunications and if so, the reaction of rowdies had attacked some Mala­
thereto? yalees travelling in the Express Train*
147 Written Anm*r$ JULY 24, 19V4 Written A n*um 148
from Madras to Cochin. The Chief Mi. ftteenng Recently, three Ordinances
mstei) expressed that a feeling of have been promulgated which ’Unit
•deseparation and helplessness had de­ the distribution of net profits and
veloped amongst the Malayalees living dividends by Companies for two years,
an Tamil Nadu He had requested the provide for {CompuJeory Deposit of
Prime Minister for interceding m the 50 per cent of additional dearness
matter so that such actions are not re­ allowance for two years and whole of
peated and the traditional friendship additional wages and salaries for one
between the Tamils and the Malaya, year and make it compulsory for de­
lees is maintained positing of a specified percentage of
the income by those having incomes
(c) The Central Government has above Rs 15,000 per annum for two
remained in close touch with both the years A number of other measures
•Governments The Prime Minister has as integral part of comprehensive pro­
written to the Chief Ministers of these gramme to arrest rise in prices are
States to take necessary steps to instil also under active consideration of the
Government
a sense of security amongst the lin­
guistic minorities and to deal firmly
with the miscreants

Adverse effect of price rise on Fifth

Plan Reservation of Cabin Passengers to
437 SHRI C K CHANDRAPPAN Officers by Andaman and Nieotar
Will the Minister of PLANNING be Administration
pleased to state 438 SHRI S D SOMASUNDARAM
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS
be pleaded to state*
(a) whether the growing price rise
bas already adversely affected the (a) whether Andaman arm Nicobar
Fifth Five Year Plan, and Administration follow any set rules
in regard to the reservation of caibm
(b) if so the steps so far taken bj passengers to the officers and their
^Government to control the price line families, and
and to save the plan from crisis7
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so the facts thereof and the
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI mam points of the rules being follow­
MOHAN DHARIA) (a) Yes Sir ed?
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN
THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
(b A number of steps have been
(SHRI F H MOHSIN) (a) and (b)
taken to control the price line which
inciude strict control on deficit At present two ships, namely, *M V
financing and bank credit, increase in Andamans’ and ‘S S Muzaffari’ ply
agricultural production increase in between mainland ports and Nicobar
production of essential consumer Islands Cabin passages m these ships
goods and of the core sector industries, are allotted by the Andaman and Ni­
strengthening of public distribution cobar Administration on the basis at
system for certain selected consumer entitlement of Government servants/
goods, augmenting domestic avail* families according to their pay range.
ability of foodgrams through imports The following priorities have been
«tc An Ordinance was issued in June fixed for this purpose
1974 to provide for more stringent
punishment under the Essential Com­ ( 1) Government Servants proceed-
modities Act, for hoarding and pro- ‘ ing on duty/transfer;
149 Written Aimoer* SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) Written Answers 150

(ii) Government servants pro­ Grant of penaion to Freedom

ceeding on M*v» due to emer­ Fifirief*
gent circumstances;
(iii) Staff of Vacation Depart­ 440. SHRI B. S. BHAURA;
ments going to mainland on Will the Minister of HOME
vacation or returning after va­ AFFAIRS be pleased to state:
cation;
(iv) Students going from or re­ (a) the number 0f applications of
turning to Port Blair to join Freedom Fighters still lying with
Educational institutions on Government pending decision;
the closing opening of edu­
cational institutions on main­ (b) in how many cases the pensions
lands; have been granted and the number
of casea rejected; and
(v) Other Government servants
proceeding on leave; and (c) the additional steps taken to
expedite the decision of pending cases?
(vi) others.
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN
THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
Setting up of factories duriag Fifth (SHRI F. H. MOHSIN): (a) 71,296.
Plan for manufacture of Tele­
phone Equipment
(b) Pensions have been sanctioned
in 83,073 cases and 34,592 cases re­
439. SHRI VIRBHADRA SINGH-
jected.
Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­
TIONS be pleased to state:
(c) Pending cases are being referred
(a) whether a proposal is under to the State Governments/U.T. Admi­
the consideration of Government to nistrations with the request to expe­
set up new factories for the manufac­ dite verification reports in consultation
ture of instrumental lines, exchange with the State/District Level Commit­
equipments so as to reduce the watt­ tees. They have also been requested
ing period for telephone; and to assist the applicants who are being
addressed separately. Such cases will
(b) if so, the number of factories be finalised on receipt of reports/evi­
IjLkely to be set up and capacity of dence from the concerned State/Gov-
each factory? ment/U.H. Administration.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN

THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICA-
T.ONS (PROF. SHER SINGH): M 0 l0 s«e Bhakr. D u h> P m * *

(b) During the Fifth Five Year 4 4 1 gHRI B. S. BHAURA- Will

Plan period, it is proposed to set the Minister of IRRIGATION AND
up six new factories for manufactur- POWER be pleased to state:
ing telecommunication equipment, viz.,
telephone instruments, exchange and (a) whether there is a great danger
transmission equipments, etc., Details of closing down of BhakraDam in
regarding capacity, capital cost, etc.. Punjab; and
of these new units are being drawn
up (b) if ao, the reasons thereof?
15* : JXJbt & M i '" Wri#**

' THE' DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Effect of Railway Strike oaliMiustrl**

MINISTRY OP IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 443 SHRI TARUN GOGOI:
(PRASAD): (a) No, Sir.
SHRI R. V. SWAMINATHAN:
(b) Does not arise.
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL-
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
Cement Production in Haryana TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state:
442. SHRI B. S. BHAURA: (a) whether the industries were
SHRI K. M. MADHUKAR: greatly affected due to the Railway
strike in the month of May, 1974;
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND (b) if so, what are the industries
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state: affected and in which State and to
what extent the Railway strike has
(a) whether the production of ce­ affected the production in all public
ment in the country, particularly in
Haryana was badly affected due to and private sector industries;
coal shortage; and
( c ) whether most of the industries
(b) if so, the facts thereof and steps had to be closed due to shortage of
taken to overcome this? r a w material; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE

(d) the steps being considered to
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE­ overcome the loss?
LOPMENT (SHRI ZIAUR RAHMAN
ANSARI): (a) and (b). The Cement
Industry suffered a loss of production THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
to the extent o f about 2 5 .4 9 lakh ton­ DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
nes during the period September, 1973 TECHNOLOGY AND AGRICULTURE
to May, 1974 due to inadequate sup­ (SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM): (a) to
plies o f coal. The estimated loss o f (d). Although the Railway strike in­
production of the two cement factories evitably affected many industries,
at Dadri and Bhupendra in Haryana, owing to restricted rail movement,
during the same period is about 0.39 the overall effect of the railway strike
lakh tonnes. on industrial production was, marginal,
and even where a fall in production
With a view to ensure adequate has been reported, it cannot be en­
supplies of coal to the cement indus­ tirely attributed to the Railway strike
try, a Standding Linkage Committee as it could be due to the combined
has been set up in the Department of effect of other factors also such as
Mines and the position of coal sup­ power cuts and the shortage of raw
plies to the Cement Industry is re­ materials, etc. In a few industries
such as cement and soda ash, the
viewed by this Committee every
Railway strike did contribute to a
month. Keeping in view the location fall in production because of move­
of factories, the quality of coal re­ ment problems. No complete shut­
quired etc; the cement factories have down or closure of units has been re­
been linked to different coal fields. A ported on account of shortage ,of raw
joint monitoring cell has been set up materials arising from the Railway'
at Calcutta to watch constantly the strike. All possible assistance is
actual despatches of coal to the Ce­ being provided to industrial units to
ment factories. gear up their output.
153 Written Answers ( SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) Written Answers 154
Construction of Irrigation Project In progress of anti-sea erosion works
Kettayl (Kerala) has been hampered but the works
have not been suspended.
444. SHRI M. K. KRISHNAN: Will
the Minister of IRRIGATION AND
POWER be pleased to state- Atrocities On Harijans in V. P.
(a) whether Government have
started the construction work of an 446. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Will
irrigation project in Kottayi. Tirur the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be
"Taluk, District Malappuram, Kerala; pleased to state*
•and
(a) whether atrocities on Harijans
still continue in some place in U.P.;
and
(b) if so, the progress made in the
matter? (b) whether this question has been
taken up with the Chief Minister of
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE U. P. ; and
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR (c) if so, his reaction and positive
PRASAD): (a) and (b). The reference action taken in this regard?
is presumably to the proposal for the
construction of a weir-cum -lock-cum - THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
bridge across Tirur Ponnampuzha at MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
Kottayi in Tirur Taluk of Malappu­ AND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF
ram district The Government of PERSONNEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS
Keiala have reported that, due to MIRD1IA)- (a) to (c). Reports about
their inability to provide adequate instances of alleged crimes against
funds,, the scheme could not be taken members of Scheduled Castes have
up by them so far. been received from some places in
Uttar Pradesh. The Central Govern­
ment are maintaining contact with the
Suspension of Anti-Sea erosion works State Government who take appro­
in Kerala priate action under the law in such
ci'sei. A special cell has been set up
in the State under the charge of a
445. SHRI M. K. KRISHNAN: Will D.I G to undertake prompt inquiries
the Minister of IRRIGATION AND into all complaints involving offences
POWER be pleased to state: against members of Scheduled Castes
and to initiate action according to
(a) whether Government are aware law.
that anti-sea erosion works, which
are the most essential at this monsoon
time, have been suspended in Kerala,
because of financial problems of the Modernisation of TAFCO, Kanpar
State; and
(b) if so, whether Government is 447, SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Will
having any proposal in this regard? the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE­
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state:
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR (a) what further steps have been,
PRASAD): (a) and (b). The State taken to modernize Tannery and Foot­
Government of Kerala have reported wear Corporation of India Limited,
that due to financial stringency the (TAFCO) Kanpur;
155 Written Answers ■ './ JULY 24, 1974 Written AntW9t$ 156

(b) whether some financial help has are laid on the Table of the Hottie^
been given.vand [Placed in'Library. See No. LT-8026/
74J. Names of the parties and other
(c) if so, the amount earmarked details of Industrial Licehcesarepub-
for the year 1974-75? lished in the "Weekly Bulletin of
Industrial Licences, Import Licences
THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL and Export Licences” and “ Journal of
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND Industry and Trade”- Copies of these
TECHNOLOGY AND AGRICULTURE publications are supplied to the Parlia­
(SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM): (a) t° ment Library.
(c). Government have sanctioned Rs.
58 lakhs to TAFCO as part of its (b) Yes, Sir.
over-all programme of modernisation.
Out of this, an amount of Rs. 28 lakhs (c) Cancellation orders in respect of
has already been spent and the Letters of Intent are issued by the
balance is expected to be utilised be­ concerned Administrative Ministries.
fore the end of this year. An amount As per information' available with the
of Rs. 25 lakhs has been provided in Ministry of Industrial Development, 19
the Budget for TAFCO during 1974- letters of intent were cancelled/lapsed
75. TAFCO has requested for en­ during the period 1st April, 1974 to-
hancement of this amount and this is 30th June, 1974.
under consideration of the Govern­
ment.

Issue of Licences

448. SHRI D. B. CHANDRA

GOWDA: Will the Minister of INDUS­ Conference of Commonwealth Nations
TRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND in India
SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY be
pleased to state: 450. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR;
SHRI R. V. SWAMINATHAN;
(a) the names of the parties and
number of licences issued item-wise
and State-wise, during last three Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­
months by Government of India; TIONS be pleased to state:

(a) whether a 10 day Conference

(b) whether some letters of intent of Commonwealth Nations was held
were also cancelled by Government in India on 21st May, 1974 to discuss
of India; and the telecommunication problems of
the Indian Ocean region;
(c) if so, the facts thereof? (b) if eo, the decisions taken; and
THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL (c) how many countries attended
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND the Conference?'
TECHNOLOGY AND AGRICULTURE
(SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM): (a) Two THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
statements showing the number of MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS
Industrial Licences issued (Industry- . (PROF. SHER SINGH): (a) Yes, .•<
wise and State-wise) to various parties Conference of Commonwealth coun­
during the period April—June, 1974 tries was held in Bombay from ZlSt
J57 Wftftat Answers SRAVAKA 2, 2896 (SAKA) Written Answers 158.

to 30th May, 1974, to consider plans THE MINISTER OP STATE IN THU

for extension of Commonwealth Sub* MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI
marine Telephone Cable System to MOHAN DHARIA): Re-dlstributive
India add other countries in the growth is a major objective of the
Indian Ocean region. Fifth Five Year Plan and to attain
this objective, creation of additional
(b) The Conference was in the
employment opportunities would play
nature of a regional planning exercise
an important part. During the Fifth
to carry out traffic and system studiea
Plan, bulk of employment opportu­
and financial evaluation for possible
nities, both in rural and urban areas,
alternative configurations to be co­
will be created through the imple­
ordinated with the long-term plan­
mentation of various sectoral pro­
ning activities of Commonwealth
grammes. The unemployed rural
telecommunication partnership coun­
tries. youth will also be able to avail of
the employment opportunities arising
(c) Representatives of India and m various fields of development.
nine other Commonwealth countries
Besides the sectoral programmes,
viz. Australia, Bangla Desh, Britain, have been specially designed for the
Canada, East Africa, Malaysia, Nigeria,
benefit of rural areas. The un­
Singapore and Sri Lanka attended the
employed rural youth will also be
Conference.
benefited, besides others, through the
implementation of these programmes:
1 The Small Farmers Develop­
ment Agency and Marginal
4 5 i. H r a n f t . w r*w n Farmer^ and Agricultural
Labourers.
Tt, 2 Drought Prone Areas Pro­
gramme.
(sp) WT TT
3 Command Areas Development
srrc^f^rr
Programme.
sn^R *n5ft *tt s r m «tt ,
4. Programmes relating to Village
and Small-Scale Industries.
(w ) s fo ?tt, *rV ^V t

f, ’
Reallocation of priorities in Fifth
KJVTI wH U?rTT«T $ T*- Plan
«T9fV vWta ) : (*p) * r>^ 1
453 SHRI VTJAY PAL SINGHr
(*t) sresf ^rTT I Will the Minister of PLANNING
be pleased to state:
(a) whether Government propose
Exuloyment for Unemployed rural to re-allocate priorities in planning
Youth in Fifth Plan during Fifth Plan, and
(b) if so, the outlines thereof?
452. SHRI VIJAY PAL SINGH *
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
Will the Minister of PLANNING MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI
be pleased to state the main features
MOHAN DHARIA): (a) The Draft
of th# schemes proposed to be taken
Fifth Five Year Plan is proposed to»
up for giving employment to the un­
be reviewed in the light of all the*
employed rural youth in the Fifth
relevant developments that have-
Five Year Plan?
 159 Aipwtrs JULY 24, 1974 Written Answer* i 60

occurred fince its formulation and the tory of Delhi. including Railway
ri^edj if any, in the re-allocation of Stations and Hospitals on this 3rd
priorities for the Filth Plan will also June, 1974; and
be examined before its finalisatiori.
(b) whether Government have in­
(b) it is not possible to indicate thevestigated the causes and if so, the
'details at this stage. results thereof?
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
Setting up of Mini Power Plants POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD): (a) It has been reported
454. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD by Delhi Electric Supply Undertaking
VERMA: Will the Minister of IRRI­ that all the five Units of IP. Station
GATION AND POWER be pleased to tripped simultaneously on 3rd June,
: state: 1974, resulting in a power break-down
(a) whether Government propose in most parts of Delhi.
to set up Mini Power Plants to meet
the needs of the rural areas; and (b) The enquiry conducted by Delhi
Electric Supply Undertaking showed
(b) if so, the main features thereof that the main cause of the break­
and the time by which the plants are down was the failure of the protective
likely to be set up? system tD isolate a fault on one of the
cable terminals in the switchyard of
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE *B' station.
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD): (a) and (b). The State
Governments and State Electricity
Boards have taken up electrification of Suggestion from Delhi T.V. Centre
remote/hilly isolated rural areas by to increase the rates offered to Dis­
installation of diesel sets or micro- tributors for showing Feature Films
hydel sets at appropriate locations.
These are usually installations with a 456. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD
capacity of a few hundred kW. A VERMA: Will the Minister of INFOR­
large number of such schemes are 'in MATION AND BROADCASTING be
operation or under construction in pleased to state:
J. & K, H.P., U.P. Arunachal Pradesh,
etc. The Rural Electrification Corpo­
ration have also proposals to finance
small power generation projects for (a) whether the Delhi Television
power supply in remote and isolated Centre have requested Government to
rural areas. increase the rates offered to distri­
butors for showing their feature films;
and
Probe into Power Breakdown in
Delhi in Jane, 74 (b) if so, the reaction of Govern­
ment thereto?
455. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD
VERMA: Will the Minister of IRRI­
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
GATION AND POWER be pleased to
state: MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHABAM
BIR SINHA): (a) No. Sir.
(a) whether a severe power break­
down hit all parts of the Union Terri­ (b) Does not arise.
 * 6 1 Written Antwert SRAVANA 2, 1806 (SAKA) Written Answer 162

Sagfestion from T.V. Centre* to Gevt. The following proposals are under
*• make their own Feature Films for consideration for extension of POSTAL
Exhibition FACILITIES in Ladakh during the
Fifth Five Year Plan:—
457. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD
TflERMA: Will the Minister of INFOR­ (i) Creation of separate Ladakh
MATION AND BROADCASTING be Postal Division.
pleased .to state:
(ii) Opening of 10 new Post
Offices.
(a) whether the Television Centres
in the country have suggested to Gov­ (iii) Upgradation of 3 Branch Post
ernment to make their own feature Offices into Sub Offices.
Uhns for exhibition at the T.V.
Centres; and (iv) Mechanisation of Dras-Leh
and Leh-Numamud lines. Leh
*Cb) if so, the reaction of Govern­ Sub Post Office has already
ment thereto? been upgraded into Head Post
Office on 1st July, 1974.
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM w r « q v r o fv ? FWWRrr smstf
•BIR SINHA): (a) No. Sir. qfsm m (w t wT?n
«(b) Does not arise.
4 59 . tWWMTT STOflft : WT
ij5 Jftft vt wn %:
Extension of Communication Facili­ (*7) wr«TJ5TT
ties in Ladakh during Fifth Plan
sprr r r t w far?r v* stow %

458. SHRI KUSHOK BAKULA: tmr farfToTfrr &. ?rftrfcr %

"Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­
TIONS be pleased to state the ^ STPT^T z s if ; tfhc
measures proposed to be adopted for
extension of comrruuaication facilities («r) w r ^ r f TOrfsne
in Ladakh during ’the Fifth Five Year
Plan? T9R t , $r, tit

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE US 5f m ifoft

.MINISTRY :OF COMMUNICATIONS
(PROF. SHER SINGH): The existing qwo : fa ) sfh: (sr).
Wireless Telegraph and Radio Tele- ^ *rro% *r faRrJr^
jphone circuits linking Srinagar-Leh | im r$
are proposed to be strengthened by
.providing^ a tropo scatter microwave *rf 1 1 ssqrrf
system with a capacity of 120 channels WR 5 m f5 R T ewrr w snf6r-
during the Fifth Five Year Plan. m fwi fTTt »ht w * r rtff %
Technical studies are in progress to
assess the relative merits of the tropo- t c s fft fa r tit n f «ft 1 i m z t i t z
iacatter link between Srinagar-Leh and *TfoRJST 3tfw ^ cWTT*H<ft W f 5RRf?T
udhampur-Leh. Radio Telephone
*T W fd* fa n »WT f I
circuits have already 'been established
'between Leh and IMskit and Leh and wfarfocte srcfhffT| fare v x
Nycnaa within Ladakh, wt $ 1
a m LS— 6
163 Written Answers JULY 24, 1974 Written Answers i%4.

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I$5 Written Answers SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) Written Answer 166

Extension of Scheme for Pension to

: (*r) star*! 1 Freedom Fighters

(«f) s p r sqwia ^srt *rr ^ 462. SHRI RAMAVATAR

fa W | 1 SHASTRI:
SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA:
(*r) m *1? f^ «r f w
I , ^ ‘a<rr fsrf Will the Minister of HOME
^ *rfa*> srefa tit m t AFFAIRS
vfi mi irtaVsfiFF *r*rafft -m be pleased to state:
*TT& % ^TTq ?PTfa % ^ f'<|T fo*TT (a) whether the Ministry had made
w *»t W r % fair «mi isni proposals for extension of the scheme
fa % *r*r % t r *rra of pension to some new categories of
freedom fighters which was approved
* Y *n rr ^r€Y $ t 3 t o % by Government; and
* r p r f*rafFr#r sr^ w?f %i\ ^ gi
(b) if so, the reasons and facts
thereof? *
fsarror
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
?rt>iV ^f%?r 5?r*raft?r (SHRI F. H. MOHSIN): (a) and (b).
It has been decided that the follow­
v * ttw *V tfWT ing categories of freedom fighters
should be considered eligible for the
grant of pension:—
srm a w 15
( I) Freedom Fighters who were
5 sentenced to imprisonment for
period of six months or more
36 and had undergone minimum
h
imprisonment of five months,
but were prematurely re­
<pmcr 6 leased due to Gandhi-Irwin
Pact and other General
BfrcrTOT 5 Amnesty Orders.
20 (II) Freedom Figh+ers who re­
mained undertrials for periods
12 exceeding six months in jails.
34 (iil) Freedom Fighters who were
33T??T 2 convicted by lower courts and
suffered imprisonment for six
8 months or more, even if they
were acquitted by an appellate
fe g rr 1 court provided it was not on
SI^T
tendering apology or giving
550
an undertaking.
tffaspT sjim r 16
(iv) Pension can be granted to
eligible freedom fighters who
are Indian citizens living
716 abroad and who agree to draw
pension in India.
167 Written Anstcers JULY 24, 1874 Written Ansu'ers x<58

Research to find <** Sui»*tttate of Statement

Silicon No ban on direct recruitment to
posts under the Government of India
468. SHBI PILOO MODY: WUl the was imposed in 1955. However a ban
Minister of SCIENCE AND TECH­ was imposed on recruitment to the
NOLOGY be pleased to state: posts of peons in Ministries and
Attached Offices on 22nd May, 1957
(a) whether five leading institutes restricting the filling up of posts of
have been carrying on research for peon by transfer of surplus staff from
one office to another, either within
the last ten years to find out a substi­ the same Ministry (including its
tute of Silicon—the core material in attached offices) or between the
semi-conductor devices and if so, the various Ministries (including their
attached offices). Vacancies of peons
result of their research; and within the sanctioned strength as on
22nd May, 1957 in Ministries and their
(b) the total amount spent by now attached offices could also be filled
on the research? from amongst the surplus Class IV
employees registered in the Directo­
THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL rate of Employment and Training
(surplus cell). However, If no surplus
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND peons were available the vacancies
TECHNOLOGY AND AGRICULTURE could be filled through the Employ­
(SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM): (a) No, ment Exchange. On 25th February,
1966, it was decided that direct re­
Sir. cruitment to ministerial non-gazetted
posts like Assistants, Upper Division
(b) Does not arise. Clerks and Lower Division Clerks in
all Organisations/Ministries/Depart­
Relaxation of Ban on Fresh Recruit­ ments under the Central Government
ment should not be made, unless a certi­
ficate wa§ obtpihed from the Central
464. SHRI MUHAMMED SHERIFF: (Surplus staff cell) under the Minis­
t r y of Home Affairs, for each category
Will the PRIME MINISTER be of posts, on every occasion, to the
pleased to state: effect that the Central Cell had no
suitable candidate to offer. These re­
(a) whether ban on fresh recruit­ strictions were extended with effect
ment was imposed in 1955 by Gov­ from 19th June, 1967 to the filling up
of all Class III and also Class n posts
ernment and it is still continuing; m all Government Departments
and whether by promotion or direct re­
cruitment, with a view to ensure
(b) if so, the steps taken by Gov­ speedy deployment of surplus staff.
ernment to relax this ban and start In view of the imperative need for
fresh recruitment? economy a ban on direct recruitment
to Class III and Class IV posts was
initially imposed for a period of one
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE year with effect from 7th March, 199,
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND on the following conditions:—
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PER­ (i) There would be no diratft
SONNEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS recruitment in respect of
MIRDHA): (a) and (b). A statement vacancies in Class IV posts of
Peons, Jamadars, Farashes,
giving the full facts is attached. Sweepers, Naiks and Havil-
169 "Written Answers SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) Written Answer 170
dare and the vacancies in 3. As the Ministries etc. were
these grades were to be filled experiencing great difficulty in day-to-
from the surplus staff; if any; day working by keeping 40 per cent
otherwise they were to re­ to 50 per cent of vacancies unfilled as
main unfilled. a result of the ban it was decided that
although the ban would continue to
(ii) Vacancies occurring in Class remain in force, the following cate­
III posts and Class IV posts gories of posts would be exempted
other than those mentioned at from the purview of the ban with
(i) above were to be filled by effect from 8th December, 1970.
direct recruitment to 4he ex­ (a) Class III/IV posts created in
tent of 50 per cent of such organisations, which are
vacancies arising during the newly set up or for the pur­
year. In special cases where pose of new scheme or new
the Head of Department/ activities undertaken by the
Secretary considered it neces­ existing organisations.
sary to do so, vacancies upto
a further 10 per cent could (b) Posts which are created by
also be filled. This ban was, Ministries/Departments inf
however, not to apply for fil­ consultation with the Minis­
ling up vacancies by promo­ try of Finance.
tion where promotions were
permissible, or through sur­ (c) Posts created under the re­
plus staff obtained from the organisation scheme of a
Surplus Staff Cell of the service, provided such scheme
Ministry of Home Affairss has been approved by the
(now Department of Person­ Cabinet; and
nel and Administrative (d) Posts of L.D.Cs. in excess of
Reforms). the present permissible per­
centage, viz., 50 per cent nor­
(iii) The ban was not to apply to mally and 60 per cent in
the following categories of special cases, which are
Class III and Class IV posts;— required in connection with
the current drive for improv­
(a) Posts required for security ing recording, indexing and
purposes, e.g.. Police and weeding of records, provided
Civil Defence. this excess is adjusted again
with the permissible quota
(b) Operational, field or techni­
within a period of six months.
cal posts in Posts and Tele­
graphs Department, Light­ 4. On the suggestion made by the
house Department and Staff Side of the Joint Consultative
Departments which were of Machinery in the National Council, the
a commercial or trading question of further relaxation of the
character. Limited ban was examined and, it
was decided, that while the limited
(c) Scientific posts in scientific ban in respect of recruitment to Class
institutions. III Services/posts should continue to
remain in force, the restrictions in
(d) Any other specific cases this regard would be further relaxed
that might be exempted by to the extent indicated below with
the administrative Minis­ effect from 9th November, 1972.
try/Department in consulta­
tion with the Ministry of (i) Ministries/Departments and
Finance (Department of their attached and subordinate
Expenditure). offices may be allowed to fill
171 Written Answers JULY 24. 1874 Written Answer* 172

up to a maximum of 75 per Improvement of the system is in

cent vacancies in Class III hand on a continuing basis. A special
services/post^ instead of the drive has been initiated for improving
present 50 per cent (60 per the performance of the internal ex­
cent in exceptional circum­ change equipment and the external
stances) vacancies vide para cables, lines and subscribers installa­
l(ii) of p. 1/ante. The recruit­ tions of the system. A programme for
ment to the vacancies re­ the upgradation of the crossbar
leased may , however, be exchanges is under progress and about
I made according to a phased 50 per cent to 60 per cent of the up-
programme spread over a gradatjfn work has been completed.
period of two to thr6e years Considerable improvement in the
depending upon the require­ quality of service is expected after the
ments of each office/estt. completion of this work.

(li) Regarding Class IV, the re­ Additional equipment is being

quirements of staff may be installed to handle the high traffic and
worked out in accordance with worn out equipment is being replaced.
the norms laid down for each During the Fifth Five-Year Plan,
category and the deficiency in 77,000 lines are proposed to be added
each category may be made to the system.
good through a phased pro­
gramme of recruitment spread Shaharghat-MRadhubani Trank Line
over two to three years.
466 SHRI BHOGENDRA JIIA:
Will the Minister of COMMUNI­
Working of Telephone Exchanges in CATIONS be pleased to refer to the
Delhi reply given on 8th May, 1974 to the
Unvaried Que&tion No 956 regard­
ing openig of P C O at Shaharghat
465 SHRI MUHAMMED SHERIFF • and state:
Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­
TIONS be pleased to state* (a) whether m view of the several
times longer distance between
Shaharghat and Madhubani via Beni-
(a) whether Telephone Exchanges patti and Shaharghat-Madhubani vm
in Delhi are not working properly and Sita Marhi and Muzaffarpur to trunk
the persons have to face lot of diffi­ call materialises and is not even
culties in getting the telephone entered upon by the PCO mcharge
numbers; making the people helpless*
(b) if so, the facts thereof; and (b) whether Madhubaui being the
District headquarters of Madhawa-
(c) the steps taken by Government pur and the telephone line already
to improve the Exchange canditions? having come to Shaharghat and to
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Borhar Chowk from Benipatti it is
MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS proposed to link Shaharghat and
(PROF. SHER SINGH): (a) to (c). Borhar Chowk the distance of which
Delhi Telephone system has 1,14,000 is within four miles; and
connections and a waiting list of over (c) if so, the facts thereabout and
1,00,000. Due to the heavy demand, if not, tfie reasons therefor?
the calling rate Is high. This puts
extra strain on the equipment causing THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
excessive wear and tear. However, MINISTRY OF COMUNICATIONS
the functioning of the system is by (PROF. SHER SINGH): (a) There is
and large satisfactory. negligibly Trunk traffic between
*73 Written Answers SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) Written Answers 174

Sh«hargh*t and Madhubar.ii. Culls are (b) No, Sir.

•at present being put through via
Sitamarhi and Darbhanga exchanges. (c) Khadi programmes provide
No complaint has been received employment opportunities of subsi­
against the official-in-charge of the diary nature to certain sections of
Public Call Office about his refusal rural people, especially to women.
to book calls to Madhubani. The Commission has made efforts to
reduce dependence on grants, to the
(b) and (c). The terrain between extent possible. About y.t>3 lakhs per­
Shaharghat and Benipatti is low lying sons were employed in 1971-72. Acti­
and remains water logged. Direct vities of Khadi are dispersed in
trunk line between Shaharghat and nature. It has to face competition
Benipatti is not economically feasible. from the organised sector. It does
Alternative proposals for faster not enjoy any reservation.
handling of trunk traffic in the area
jare under examination.
Completion of the Construction Work
on the Studio and Transmitter Build­
Expenditure of Ail India Khadi ing of Mithila (Darbhanga) Broad­
Commission
casting Station
467. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA:
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 468. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA:
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state: Will the Minister of INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING be pleased to
refer to the reply given to Unstarred
Question No. 2911 on 13th March, 1,974
(a) what has been the total ex*
and state:
penditure incurred since the formation
of the All India Khadi Commission
(a) whether construction work on
by the Central and respective State the studio and transmitter building o£
Governments for the development of Mithila (Darbhanga) Broadcasting
Khadi cloth and the return or profit Station has since been completed and
made on total investment State- the ordered equipment has arrived;
wise;
(b) whether Khadi industry has by (b) if so, the actual date or prog­
now, become self-sufficient and can ramme for commissioning the same;
do without Governmental financial and
assistance; and
(c) if not, the reasons for delay and
(c) if not, reasons therefor? time-limit for completing the same?
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE­ MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
LOPMENT (SHRI ZIAUR RAHMAN BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM
AN SARI): (a) The total expenditure BIR SINHA): (a) Construction work
incurred by the Central Government on both transmitter and studios is
upto 1972-73 on the Khadi and Village making progress. Most of the equip­
Industries Commission (including ment ordered has been received.
former Board) amounts to Rs. 309 38
•crores.
(b) The transmitter is expected to
The Khadi and Village Industries be ready by the end of 1974-75. The
Commission being basically a promo­
tive organisation, the question of comnletion of the studios might take
profits does not arise. some more time.
 i 75 Written Answers JULY 24, 1974 Written Answers IjS
(c) There has 'been some delay in they will have no objection if the
the work on the studios owing to Narmada Water Dispute is referred ta
difficulties in procurement of supplies a tribunal;
including cement aggravated by Rail­ (b) whether the view has also been
way strike. shared by some Members of Parlia­
ment from Gujarat; and
Inquiry by CBI into Smuggling >*
Uranium from Jaduguda (c) whether the above suggestion
has been considered by the Central
Government and if so, their reaction,
in this regard?
469. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA:
Will the Minister of HOME AF­
FAIRS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION
AND POWER (SHR'I K. C. PANT):
(a) to <c;. The Narmada Water Dis­
(a) whether Government have pute had been referred to a Tribunal
asked the Central Bureau of Investi­ in 1969. In 1972, the concerned States
gation to investigate into the Uranium entered mto an agreement and reques­
smuggling at Jaduguda; ted the Prime Minister to give an
award on two of the issues in dispute.
(b) if so, the outcome of the in­ Hovrever, in accordance with the
quiries conducted so far; and agreement reached between the four
party States on the 12th July, 1974, the
(c) whether the smuggling is still decision on the dispute including the
continuing? two issues earlier referred to the Prime
Minister, would be given by the Tri­
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE bunal. The agreement also provides
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS that the parties would approach the
(SHRI F. H. MOHSIN): (a) A re­ Tribuna? to delete/modify a number
quest to this effect has been received of issues on which they have reached
from the Government of Bihar which agreement and the Government of
has been agreed to. Rajasthan and Madhya Pradesh would
withdraw from the Supreme Court
their appeals arising out of decisions
(b) Bihar Police have arrested 11 given by the Tribunal on certain pre­
persons so far for suspected pilferage liminary issues.
of uranium ore from the Uranium Cor­
poration of India Ltd., Jaduguda. An­
other 8 persons have been arrested by Setting up of paper and Newsprint
the Calcutta Police on a similar charge. Unit* in Joint Sector

(c) Enquiries made so far have not 471. SHRI S. R. DAMANI: WilT
yet reached a conclusive stage. the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE­
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE A N »
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state:
Madhya Pradesh Proposal to refer (a) whether the joint sector idea in
Narmada Water Dispute to a Tribunal setting up paper and newsprint units*
has run into difficulties;
470. SHRI N. K. SANGHI: Will (b) if so, the basic differences that
the Minister of IRRIGATION AND have arisen between Government and
POWER be pleased to state: the parties who were ready to coope­
rate in the beginning; and
(a) whether the Government of (c) the efforts made to bring about;
Madhya Pradesh have conveyed that reconciliation?
177 Written Answers SRAVANA 2, 1696 (SAKA) Written Ansu.'ers 178,

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL (b) whether this conversion has

DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND proved unsuccessful and even result­
TECHNOLOGY AND AGRICULTURE ed in more fuel oil consumption, and
(SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM); (a) to
(c). Discussions on the pattern of
management and mode of financing of (c) whether it has since been
such projects have been held between experimented to bring about success­
the Government and the private sector ful conversion and if su, the results
parties, and various alternatives are thereof and when the switch-over
under examination. The main points will be completed?
relate to the appointment of Chairman
and Managing Director of the Board THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
of Director of the Joint Sector MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
Company. POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA­
SAD): (a) One unit of 50 MW at
Use of Coal in Thermal Power Stations Barauni Thermal Station in Bihar and
two units of 30 MW and one unit of 15
472. SHRI S. R. DAMANI; Will MW at Ahmedabad Thermal Station in
the Minister of IRRIGATION AND Gujarat have already been changed
POWER be pleased to state: over from oil to coal as the primary
fuel.

(a) the names of thermal power (b) and (c) The conversion has not
stations m which coal was tried in­ proved unsuccessful. In fact, action is
stead of the traditional fuel oil as a m hand for conversion/switchover of
measure of fuel oil economy; other units from oil to coal as follows*

Name of power station No. & size of units to Expected date of completing
be converted switchover

Barauni (Bihar) . IX50M W First quarter of 1975.

2x15MW
Ahmedabad (Gujarat) . 3x15 MW Conversion to be completed
by end of 1974.
Dhuvaran (Gujarat) 4x63.5 MW First quarter of 1975
Trombay (Maharashtra) 2x62.5 MW About 3 years.

Talks with Sheikh Abdullah (b) if so, the outcome of the talks
and the subjects discussed at the-
meeting?
473. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Will
the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­
pleased to state: FAIRS (SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIK-
SHIT): (a) and (b). In the light of
the statements made by Sheikh Moha­
(a) whether the Minister oi Ex­ mad Abdullah to the effect that he
ternal Affairs visited Kashmir during regarded himself committed to the
the first week of June, 1974 and held act of accession of the State of Jamtmr
discussion with Sheikh Abdullah; and and Kashmir to India, Government o f
 .179 Written Answers JULY 24, 1974 Written Answers i &>

India, alter consulting the Jammu and Shortfall in power generation target
Kashmir Government agreed that Shri durin* Fourth Plan
G. Parthasarthy and Sheikh Abdullah’s
nominee Shri Afzal Beg, could meet 475. SHRI JAJGANNATH MISHRA:
with a view to exchanging ideas. In SHRI NARENDRA SINGH:
continuation of discussions held bet­
ween the two Shri Swaran Singh Will the Minister of IRRIGATION
Minister of External Affairs had talks AND POWER be pleased to refer to
with Sheikh Abdullah in June, 1974. the reply given to Unstarred Ques­
The discussions are continuing. tion No. 5308 on the 2nd April, 1974
regarding target fixed for power
generation in Fifth Plan and state:
.Development of rural areas during
Fifth Plan (a) whether there has been much
shortfall in power targets fixed dic­
474. SHRI K M. MADHUKAR: ing the Fourth Plan period; and
Will the Minister of PLANNING be
pleased to state: (b) if so, the extent of shortfall,
State-wise?
(a) whether Central Government
have asked the State Governments THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
not to divert funds meant for deve­ MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
lopment of rural areas to other sec- POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA­
.tors during the Fifth Plan; and SAD). (a) Yes, Sir. As against a tar­
(b) if so, the amount allotted by get of 9.23 million KW of additional
the Centre to each State for rural installed capacity, the actual achieve­
development? ment was only 4.26 million KW.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) A statement giving the actual

MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI shortfall state-wise is laid on the Table
MOHAN DHARIA): (a) Under the of the House. [Placed in Library See
existing procedures the State Annual No. LT 8026/74).
Plan outlays approved by the Planning
Commission for sectors/iprogrammes
Further cut in supply of newsprint to
which wholly or partly are designed newspapers
to benefit the rural areas, such us,
agriculture and allied services ele­
mentary and primary education, rural 476. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA:
water supply etc., and the National Will the Minister of INFORMATION
Programme of Minimum Needs, which AND BROADCASTING be pleased to
m itself, is essentially a rural develop­ state;
ment oriented programme are earmark­
ed and are thhereforc, non-divertable (a) whether Government have im­
except under exceptional circumstan­ posed a further cut in the supply of
ces and with their approval of the newsprint to the newspaper industry;
Planning Commission. (b) if so, the extent of cut imposed;
and
(b) The tentative sectoral oulays
have been indicated in the Draft Fifth (c) the reasons therefor?
Five Year Plan copies of which have
already been placed on the Table of THE DEPUTY MINISTER* IN THE
the House. The respective five-year MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
outlay for individual State will, how­ BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM
ever, be determined when the Fifth BIR SINGH): (a) and <b) Under the
"Five Year Plan is finalised. Newsprint Allocation Policy for
181 Written Answers SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) Written Answers 182

1974-75, the Government has imposed Census Department to avoid the re­
a cut of 40 per cent. 01 the Quota of trenchment;
newspaper which is 10 per cent more
than the cut tor the last year. How­ (b) if so, when the decision is like­
ever, daily newspapers can, on appli­ ly to be taken; and
cation, obtain 7 per cent of the entitle­
ment in white printing paper, thus (c) if retrenchment is unavoidable,
reducing the overall cut to 33 per whether the Census staff who have
cent. put in nearly four years continuous
service would be absorbed in other
(c) Further cut was inescapable in Central Government departments?
view of the reduced availability of
newsprint. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
Applications from Kerala for licences (SHRI F. H. MOHSIN): (a) No, Sir.
(b) Does not arise.
477. SHRI A. K. GOPALAN: Will
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE­ (*•» Government is trying its best to
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND help the retrenched census employees
TECHNOLOGY bcl pleased to state: in securing employment in central gov­
ernment departments. State Govern­
(a) the total number of licence ap­ ments and in public sector projects.
plications recommended by Kerala
Government are pending with Gov­
ernment of India as on the 31st May,
1974;
Maharashtra-Karnataka Boundary
(b) whether some of them were re­ dispute
commended during the year 1970;
(c) if so, the *acts thereof; and 479. SHRI A. K. GOPALAN: Will
the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be
(d) the reasons for delay in grant­ pleased to state:
ing licence or rejecting the licences?
(a) the action taken by Govern­
THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL ment to settle the border dispute bet­
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND ween Maharashtra and Karnataka,
TECHNOLOGY AND AGRICULTURE
(SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM)- (a) As (b) whether any talks were held
on 30th June. 1974 43 IL applications between the two States recently, and
relating t0 Kerala were pending, of
which one relates to 1972 and 3 to 1973 (c) if so, the facts and results there­
ana the remaining to 1974 of?
(b) No, Sir. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
(c) and (d). Do not arise. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
(SHRI F. H. MOHSIN). (a) to (c).
Retrenchment of Census Employees With a view to arrive at an equitable
solution which would command maxi­
mum acceptability all efforts including
478. SHRI A. K. GOPALAN: Will informal discussions with the Chief
the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be Ministers ol Maharashtra and Karna­
pleased to state: taka and other leaders are in progress.
Government are not. however, aware
(a) whether Government inteod to of any recent talks as such between
entrust any new schemes to the Maharashtra and Karnataka.
x83 Written Answers JULY 24, 1974 Written Answers 184

Memorandum from Kartta Co— "g [ « * *

Employees Association developing countries lor sharing
Atomic know-how

480. SHRI A. K. 481. SHRI SATYENDRA NARAYAN

the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS oe SINHA; wm the Minister ot ATO-
pleased to state; MIC ENERGY be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government have re­

ceived any memorandum from the (a) whether Government of India,
Kerala Census Employees Associa­ have any proposal of cooperation with
tion against mass retrenchment of other developing countries in sharing,
staff, recently; atomic know-how; and
(b) if so, the main points thereof;
(b) if so, the main features there­
(c) whether Government will con­ of?
sider their proposal to avoid retrench­
ment; and THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF
(d) if so, when? ELECTRONICS AND MINISTER OF
SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA GAN­
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE DHI): (a) India already has bilate­
MINISTRY 'OF HOME AFFAIRS ral agreements for collaboration in the
(SHRI F. H. MOHSIN): (a) and (b). field of peaceful uses of atomic energy
with a number of developing coun­
Yes, Sir. In a memorandum of 19th tries.
February, 1974 submitted to the Home
Minister, the association referred to (b) These collaboration agreements
notices served on about 50 Class III generally cover exchange of scientific
and IV employees terminating their workers and experts, exchange of un­
classified scientific and technical pub­
services by the end of February 1974. lications, exchange of materials and
It wanted the Government to provide fellowships for training.
more funds to the census department
to enable it to continue to employ these
persons and provide work for them.
Development of fusion technology

(c) and (d). When tBe position of

availability of funds for 1974-75 be­ 482. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP
SINGH: Will the Minister of ATO­
came known, the time schedule for MIC ENERGY be pleased to statci:
completing the work in hand was re­
adjusted and the notices of termination
of services with effect from 28th Feb­ (a) what steps are being taken to
develop the fusion technology; and
ruary 1974 were withdrawn. Retrench­
ment has thus been deferred for some (b) whether the “implosion” tech­
time but as the census work is of a nique employed in the nuclear ex­
temporary nature, the staff has to be plosion on 18th May, 1974 will b»
helpful in designing the trigger
retrenched once the work is complet- mechanism of a ‘fusion* nuclear-ex-
plosive device?
 I«s Written Antwerc SRAVANA 2, l * (SAKA) Written A »«ver, 186

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER

Adityapur Industrial Development
ATQMJC ENERGY, MINISTER OP area Jamshedpur
electronics and minister op
SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA GAN­
DHI): (a) Scientists of Bhabha Ato­ 484. SARDAR SWARAN SINGH
mic Rfesearch Centre have taken a first SOKHI: Will the Minister of IN­
•step In this field of research by deve­ DUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND
loping lasers. j SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY be
pleased to state:
(b) This is theoretically possible.
(a) whether a Deputy Union Mi­
nister visited Adityapur Industrial
Development Area near Jamshedpur,
in Bihar, a few months back and pro­
‘Pwfress made In SLV-s and SLV- mised all help to make it a “Model
Synchronous programme for the whole country” ; and
(b) whether the National Small In­
483. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP dustries Corporation Limited which
■SINGH: Will the Minister of SPACE promised all help to boost the indus­
be pleased to state: trial development of the Adityapur
small scale industrial area has done
nothing as yet, since the small scale
(a) the up-to-date progress made industries seminar organised by the
in SLV-3 and SLV-Synchronous pro­ corporation a few years ago?
gramme; and
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
(b) the time by which these MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE­
rockets are expected to become ope- LOPMENT (SHRI ZIAUR RAHMAN
xational?
ANSARI): (a) The Deputy Minister,
Industrial Development did not visit
THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER Adityapur, recently.
OP ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER
OF ELECTRONICS AND MINISTER (b) Response from prospective small
OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA
scale entrepreneurs from Jamshedpur
GANDHI): (a) and (b). For the
SLV-3 the development and fabrica­ for supply of machinery on hire pur­
tion of the relevant technologies, chase has not been encouraging des­
sub-systems and hardware required pite an intensive campaign conducted
are progressing satisfactorily. A
number of industries are en­ by the NSIC. In fact, only 24 appli­
gaged in the fabrication of cations were received after the cam­
'Components. A beginning has been paign. Of these, 19 applications were
made in the flight qualification of rate
gyroscopes and electronic sub-systems. rejected due to lack of response, one
The first orbital flight is scheduled to due to the then prevailing scarcity of
take place in 1978. steel, and two as earnest money was
not deposited.
For the SLV-Synchronous program­
me, some feasibility studies on the However, NSIC had earlier supplied
vehicle have been carried out and de­
tailed studies are in progress. It is too machines worth Rs. 3,29,490/- to 10
early to specify any date for this sys­ units in Jamshedpur under its normal
tem becoming operational. hire purchase programme.
187 Written Answers TOLY H MM Written A w »«r. 18*
Allocation of funds for development memoration Postal Stamp on Shri
of Bibar Guru Nanak Dev Jis birthday this
who was a saint and is worshipped W
all communities of India;
485 SARDAR SWARAN SINGH (b) whether a postal stamp would
SOKHI Will the Minister of IN­ also be released on the birthday of
DUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND Sri Guru Govind Singh Ji Maharaj,
SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY be this year, who was a great warrior
pleased to state* like Shivaji Maharaj and Saviour of
Hinduism an India and also of great
(a) whether tlhe centre has alloca­ heioes who lost their lives in 1971
ted inadequate funds to Bihar, in the wai with Pakistan, and
next Five Year Plan, for its indus­
trial development, and (c) if not the reasons therefor>
(b) if so, the steps Government 1HE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
propose to take for the industrial MINIS ThY OF COMMUNICATIONS
development of Bihar State, which (PROF SHER SINGH; (a) and (b)
is still backward, in spite ot its rich Commemorative stamps on personals
mineral iesouices? lies art normally issued on the occa­
sion ol berth Centenary otc The Post­
THE DEPU1Y MINISTER IN THE
MINIS IRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE­ age stamps in honour of the two pei-
LOPMENT (SHRI ZIAUR RAHMAN <>onalities weie issued on the dates
ANSARI) (a; and No Sir Out noted against their names
of the total outlay of Rs 7029 crores U) Guru Nanak Dev 3i—2J-11-69'
envisagtd on Central Sector Ind istrial
(»500lh birth Anniversary)
and Mineral Programmes m various
Slates during the F flh Plan an esti (m Guru Govind Singh Ti—
mated investment oi Rs (>77 28 crores 17 1-t>7 (i'-ti lurth Centenary)
is proposed to be made in pioiects al­
ready identified for location m Bihar F01 commemorating the valiant role
Apait fiom the above investments ire played by the Armed Foices of India
also proposed to be made by Hindustan m the cause of Motherland a special
Zinc Ltd Hindustan Copper Limited, postage stamp with the caption “Greet­
Mineral Exploration Corporation Geo­ ings to our forces” was issued on 15th
logical Sunev of India Coal Mines August 1072
Authority and Bharat Coking Coil Li
mited allhough the exact amounts of (O Does not anse
investments to be made m Bihar bv
the nbove Coroorations have nrt been
separateh determined a sizeable Smuggling of Uranium from Jaduguda
amount viill bo imested by them m (Bihar)
Bihat
487 SARDAR SWARAN SINGH
SOKHI Will the Minister of HOME
Commemoration Postal Stamps on AFFAIRS be pleased to state
Guru Nanak Devji and Guru Govind
Singhji and heroes of 197] war
be pleased to state
486 SAPDAR SWARAN SINGH
SOKHI Will the Miniver of COM­ (a) whether some officials of Jadu­
MUNICATIONS be pleased to sta+e guda Uranium Mill are involved m
smuggling of uranium, and
(b) if so, what fool-proof measur­
(a) whether Government of India es Government propose to adopt to>
would consider releasing the Com­ end the smuggling?
 *89 Written Answers SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) Written Ansuers 190

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MINISTRY OP HOME AFFAIRS
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193 Written Answers SRAVANA 2, 1696 (SAKA) Written Answer 194

Location of extension centre of Gen-'' (b) the number and names 0*

tral Gla» and Ceramic Research . applicants who have been selected
Institute in Kerala for the award?
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
492. SHRI N. SREEKANTAN NAIR: MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
(.SHRI F. H. MOHSIN): (a) Selec­
Will the Minister of SCIENCE AND tions for 1972-73 and 1973-74 were
TECHNOLOGY made simultaneously. 130 candidates
had applied for 1972-74 scholarships
be pleased to refer to the reply given and 707 for 1974-75 scholarships.
to Unstarred Question No. 3904 on
the 20th March, 1974 regarding ex­ (b) 61 applicants in all were select­
tension centre of Central Glass and ed for these years as under —
Ceramic Institute in Kerala and state: 28 for 1972—74
(a) whether the study has since 33 for 1974—75
been completed; and
The names of the selected candi­
(b) if so, the results thereof? dates are furnished in the statement
laid on the Table of the House.
THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL [Placed in Library. See No. LT-8027/
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 74]
TECHNOLOGY AND AGRICULTURE
(SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM) ca) and Expansion of T.V. network
(b) As a result of various discussion
between the authorities of the Counci'
of Scientific and Industrial Research 434. SHRI S C SAMANTA:
(CS1R) and the representatives of the Will the Minister of INFORMATION
Government of Kerala, the Governing AND BROADCASTING
Body of the CSIR have decided to take
over the Industrial Testing and Re­ be pleased to state.
search Laboratory m Pappanamcode,
Trivandrum. The Government of (a) the progress made in the expan­
Kerala have been requested to initiate sion of T V network in the country;
necessary action for the transfer of (b) the percentage of population
the ^aid laboratory. A Unit of the
likely to be covered by T.V. network
Central Glass and Ceramic Research
Institute, Calcutta will be «?et uo in the during each of the five years of the
Laboratory thereafter. Filth Five Year Plan; and
(c) the reasons for delay in this re­
Overseas Scholarships to Scheduled gard?
Caste and Scheduled Tribe Students THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTR OF INFORMATION AND
493. SHRI S M. SIDDAYYA- BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM
Will the Minister of HOME BIR' SINHA): (a) Television Stations
AFFAIRS at Delhi. Bombay (with relay centre
be pleased to state: at Poona), Srinagar and a transmitting
stations at Amritsar area already
(a) the number of applicants who functioning. TV Stations are also be­
had applied for the award of over­ ing set up at Madras* Lucknow (with
seas scholarships for the Scheduled relay centre at Kanpur). Calcutta with
Castes and Scheduled Tribes and other two relay centres and Jullundur (with
Backward Classes for the years 1973- relay centre at Kasauli) as spil-over of
And 1974-79; and the 4th Flan schemes.
1125 LS—7
195 Written Answers JULY 24, 1974 Written Answers 196

In addition, during the 5th Plan THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THU

period 3 more programme originating MINISTRY OF |#FOBMATION AJtl>
TV stations at Patna, Cuttack and Hy­ BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM
derabad and a few relay centres atta­ BIR SINHA): (a) to (d). The scheme
ched to them are proposed to be estab­ regarding separation of TV from AH
lished to give on-going coverage to the India Radio has not yet been finalised.
cluster areas in certain States whch
will be served by the Satellite Ins­ Decision on schemes submitted hr
tructional Television Experiment. Kerala Electronics Corporation

(b) The existing coverage in the 496 SHRI VAYALAR RAVI:

country is about 4.7 per cent of popu­
lation. The anticipated likely cumula­ Will the Minister of ELECTRONICS
tive coverage year-wise is given below:
be pleased to state;
1974-75 9.7%
1975-76 , 12.3*0 (a) a brief outline of the scheme*
1976-77 27.9 submitted by the Kerala Electronics
1977-78 . 27.9 Coiporation which are still pending
1978-79 .. 27.9^r with the Central Government for final
decision; and
(c) Implementation of projects of ib) the reasons for delay in taking
this magnitude takes about 4-5 years decisions on such employment-orient­
for completion and it is therefore, not ed industries and the time by which
always possible to complete them dur­ clearance is expected to be given to
ing the frame-work of a particular these schemes?
plan. However, there has been some
delay in the completion of some TV THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER
proierts included in the Fourth Plan OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER
mainly on account of delay in acquisi­ OF ELECTRONICS AND MINISTER
tion of sites and supply of equipment. OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA
GANDHI): (a) and (b). The Kerala
State Electronics Development Cor­
Separation of T.V. from A.I.R. poration had filed 13 applications for
a variety of Electronic Equipment
495. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA; and Components of which are now
pending relating to Communication
Systems and Variable Speed Drivers
Will the Minister of INFORMATION These applications have been received
AND BROADCASTING recently (during the last three
be pleased to state: months) and are being processed. A
final decision on them is expected to
(a) the progress made in separation be taken shortly.
of T.V. from the All India Radio;
(b) arrangements made or being Progress to preparation (or launching
made for running the T.V. Organisa­ a satellite
tion as a separate unit as distinct from
All India Radio and at what costs; 497. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI:
(c) the additional recurring and Will the Minister of SPACK
non-recurring financial implications
likely to be concentrated for the sepa­ be pleased to state:
ration; and
(a) the progress so fat made ifa the
(d) whether budgetary sanction ara preparations for launching ap. India**
already available for the purpose? satellite by the end of this year;
197 Written Answers SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) Written Answer 198

, (b) the satellite ip to be Inclusion of Saigal’s songs in Chitra-

launched as per fixed time schedule: haar programme of T.V.
and
498. SHRI M. M. JOSEPH:
■c) if not, the reasons therefor?
Will the Minister o' INFORMATION
THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER AND BROADCASTING
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER be pleased to state:
OP ELECTRONICS AND MINISTER (a) whether T.V. always ignores
OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA Saigal’s songs while exhibiting ‘Chitra-
GANDHI): (a) A pre-prototype baar’ programme on every Thursday
between 8.30 p.m. to 9.10 p.m.; and
model of the Satellite with complete
electronics and communication sys­ (b) if so, whether he proposes to
issue instructions to the Management
tems was successfully flown on a
to include at least one song of Saiga!
balloon from Hyderabad on May 5, in the Chitrahaar programme of T.V.?
1973 to test the communication link
between the satellite and the ground. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
Tests were carried out on a compre­ BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM
hensive pre-prototype model of BIR SINHA): (a) All possible efforts
February-March 1974 and the com­ are made to provide as much variety
of artists and sequences as possible in
plete electrical performance of the
‘Chitrahaar’ programme, depending on
satellite and the performance of the the availability of suitable old films
ground station were thoroughly check­ and their telecastworthiness. The
ed. The first mechanical prototype question of ignoring Saigal’s songs or
any particular artist’s songs in the
was completed in January 1974 and ‘Chitrahaar’ programme, therefore,
was tested both for dynamic and does not' arise.
static loads such as vibration, shock (b) Does not arise.
spin, centre of gravity, moment of
inertia and transport simulation.
After proving the complete mechani­ Representation from Association of
cal design it was taken to the Cosmo­ small newspaper* for allotment of
drome in USSR and mated with the newsprint and Government advertise­
ments
rocket and all tests related to mechnl-
cal configuration and heat shield 499 SHRI DHAMANKAR:
were successfully conducted in April
1974. The electrical protoype was WiU the Minister of INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING
completed at Bangalore during June be pleased to state:
1974. All aspects related to electrical
integration and performance of the (a) whether Government have re­
ceived representation from the Asso­
satellite have been successfully tested. ciation/Organisation of small news­
The fabrication of the flight models I papers regarding fair-deal in fiBot-
and Ii have just commenced. raent of newsprint and Government
advertisements; and
(b) Yes, Sir.
(b) if so, whether Government havfc
(c) Does not arise. considered the grievances of small
M99 Written Answers JULY 24, J974 Written Answers 200

newspapers and taken necessary steps News-item captioned “Inflation bite

to mitigate the hardships of the small space programme”
newspapers?
500. SHRI DHAMANKAR;
Will the Minister of SPACE
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE be pleased to state:
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM (a) whether attention of Govern­
BIR SINHA): (a) Yes, Sir. ment has been drawn to a news-report
appearing in a local daily dated the
25th June, 1974 under the caption
(b) The Government is fully seized ‘Inflation hits space programme*; and
of the problems being faced by the (b) if so, the reaction of the Gov­
Press, including small newspapers. ernment thereto?

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER

OF ELECTRONICS AND MINISTER
As regards newsprint, Government OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA
have imposed a cut of 40 per cent in GANDHI): (a) Yes, Sir.
the newsprint quota of newspapers
under the Newsprint Allocation Policy (b) The question of achieving tl.
for 1974-75, as against a cut of 30 maximum results under the Space
per cent in 1973-74. Daily newspapers Programme within the constraints and
can, however, claim a Quantity of available resources is continually
printing and writing paper equivalent under consideration.
to 7 per cent of their entitlement,
thereby reducing the overall cut in
1974-75 to 38 per cent in the case of
daily newspapers. Periodicals other Progress regarding diffusion of owner­
than dailies will, as hitherto, be free ship of newspapers
to purchase printing and writing paper
from the open market. Special pro­
301. SI1K1 DHAMANKAR
vision has been maed in the policy
to mitigate the hardships of small Will the Minister of INFORMATION
newspapers It’ has been provided that AND BROADCASTING
newspapers which have been in publi­
cation for six months or more, on ap­ be pleased to state.
plication, can bet their entitlement (a) whether Government have con­
raised up to a maximum of 15,000 ceived a well-knit plan to implement
copies of 6 pages ot standard size in the policy of Press-diffusion and en­
the case of dailies, weeklies, tri-week­ sure participation of Journalists in the
lies and bi-weeklies and 15,000 copies management of newspapers;
of 12 pages of standard size in the
case of other periodicals. This would (b) if so, the salient features there­
mean that' within this level, they of; and
would be exempted from the cut. (c) action taken or proposed to be
taken in the matter?
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
In the matter of release of advertise MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
ments also, efforts continue to make BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM
greater use of these categories of pub­ BIR SINHA): (a) to (c). The pro­
lications as far as possible within the posal for bringing about changes in
the ownership and management pat­
framework of declared advertising tern of newspapers and news agen­
policy and the funds available. cies is under consideration.
301 Written Answers SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) Written Answer 202

Use of atomic energy (or peaceful (b) the extent to which the S.T.D
purposes facility is both beneficial and econo­
mical to the trunk calls; and
502. SHRI NAWAL KlSHOKE
SHARMA. (c) whether there is any proposal
to do away with the trunk call ex­
Will the Minister of ATOitfIC change system in case all the cities/
ENERGY centres are inter-linked with STD?
be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
(a) whether attention of Govern­ THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICA­
ment has been drawn towards a news- TIONS (PROF. SHER SINGH): (a>
item appearing in a local daily dated Approximately 50 to 60 cities/centres
the 2nd July, 1974 under the heading are likely to be inter-connected by
‘India may beat Big-2 in N-Blast uses’; subscriber Trunk dialling facility in
next 3 years.
(b) if so, the time expected to be
taken to exploit atomic energy fot (b) STD is a service dialled by the
peaceful purposes and for agriculture; subscriber himself without the inter­
and vention of an operator and this is
generally more favoured by the sub­
(c) the assistance, if any, from any scriber. In an STD call subscriber
foreign country in this regard? pays only for the time he speaks un­
like the case in mannal trunk calls
THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER where he is charged in units of 3
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER minutes whether he speaks for the
OF ELECTRONICS AND MINISTER full time or not
OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA
GANDHI): (a) Yes, Sir. (c) No, Sir. »
(b) Atomic energy is already being
used for several peaceful purposes
such as production of power, use of
isotopes m agriculture, medicine and Grant of pension to freedom fighters
industry. It has several industrial ' from Akola District
applications such as non destructive
testing of welds and casting.
<c) No assistance from any foreign 504 SHRI VASANT SATHE: Will
country in this regard is necessary. the Minister of HOME AFFAIPS be
pleased to state the number of cases
from Akola District of Maharashtra
NW during the last three months where a
S.TJD. facility between various cities decision has been taken in regard to
sanction of pension to the freedom
503. SHRI NAWAL KISHORE fighters (under trial) who had been
SHARMA: sentenced to jail for a period of 6
months and over and had actually
Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­ suffered imprisonment tor a period of
TIONS * a i# 6 months as also the cases where they
sentenced tor n period of over 6
be pleased to state: months but released earlier as a re*
suit of Gandhi-Irwin Pact?
(a) the total number of important
ana other various cities/centres in the
country which are expected to be THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
inter-connected with S.T.D, facility MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
during the next three years; (SHRI F. H. MOHSIN): A decision
203 Written Answers JULY 24, 1074 Written Answers 204
has been taken to sanction pension pictures tubes per annum each and
to: two more (of which one is « State
(i) Freedom fighters who remained IDC) have been issued letters of in­
tent for similar quantities. In the
undertrials for six months or
more in jails during the free­ Current Import Policy, picture tubes
dom struggle. are allowed to be imported from
Rupee Payment Areas upto 25 per
(ii) Freedom fighters who were cent of the total face value of the
sentenced to imprisonment for licence. Government are examining
period of six months or more further measures to be taken for
add had undergone minimum meeting the requirements of the
imprisonment of five months, manufacturers of TV Receivers in­
but were prematurely released cluding possible import of picture
due to Gandhi-Irwin Pact and tubes to meet the immediate short­
other General Amnesty Orders age.

Efforts are being made to dispose of

Allocation for development of Metro.
all such applications pending under
poUtan and other cities in Fifth Plan
these categories quickly. It is not
possible to indicate the exact number
of applications falling under these 506 SHRI N. K P. SALVE- Will
categories from Akola District. the Minister of PLANNING be pleas­
ed t0 slate:
T. V. Units facing shortage of Pro
Picture Tubes (a) whether Government have re­
ceived any suggestion for increase in
505. SHRI VASANT SATHE: Will the Fifth Plan; allocation for develop­
the Minister of ELECTRONICS be ment of four Metropolitan cities in
pleased to state; the country and for separate financial
arrangements to meet the needs of
other cities; and
(a) whether T. V. Industrial units
are facing acute shortage of picture (b) if so. the reactions of the Gov­
tubes and that production of T.V. sets ernment thereto?
is hampered for non-availability of
this item: and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING
(b) if so the steps taken or propos­ (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA)- (a) and
ed to be taken to normalise the pro­ (b). Yes, Sir. The matter is under
duction and supply of picture tubes consideration.
to TV manufacturing units particu­
larly; small scale units? Residential acommodation to Techni­
cians in Delhi Telephone Dtetfiet
THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER 507. SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI:
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­
OF ELECTRONICS AND MINISTER TIONS be pleased to state:
OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA
GANDHI): (a) Yes, Sir. (a) the number of technicians work
ing in the Delhi Telephone Districts
(b) The production capacity of as on the 30th June* 1974;
Bharat Electronics Ltd. has been ap­
proved to be doubled to 200,000 pic­ (b) the number out of them who
ture tubes per annum. In addition, have been allotted Government aecom
two parties, in the private sector have modation as well as the number of
been licensed for production of pic­ those who have not been allotted
ture tubes with a capacity of 40,000 Government accommodation;
20$ Written Answers SRAVANA 2, 1096 (SAKA) Written Answer 206

(c) the action being taken by Gov­ Telephone District but have not been
ernment to allot them Government ac­ allotted Government accommodation
commodation on the basis of priority so far indicating category-wise figures
keeping in view the fact that they thereof; and
have to be on duty round the clock
in telephone exchanges; and (c) the action being taken by Gov­
ernment to provide residential acco­
r" (d) whether any comprehensive mmodation to such employees at the
scheme has been formulated by Gov­ earlies?
ernment or the construction of quar­
ters would be taken up at the war THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
footing to provide accommodation THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICA­
TION (PROF. SHER SINGH): (a)
immediately to these telephone em­ 8344
ployees?
Out of the above, 895 have been
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN provided with accommodation.
THE MINISTRY OP COMMUNICA­
TION (PROF. SHER SINGH): (a)
974 (b) 6985
(b) Out of the above, 150 officials Category (a)—Employees entitled
have been allotted Government ac­ to rent» ee-accomrnodation n
commodation. Number of those not Categofj (b)—T ’ ansierabh' staff 344
alloted Government accommodation'
is 824. Category (c)—Non-t'ansfti able
staff 6630

ic) The Technicians come on shift

duties mainly during the period from
7.00 to 20.00 Hrs. Priority is alloted (c) No quarter is proposed to be
in rare cases where justified on merits constructed during 1974 due to ban
on new construction except the work
in progress relating to 24 type I quar­
(d) No Sir. ters and 24 type XI quarters on Atul
Grove Road.

Residential accommodation for emplo­

Loss of Life and Property due to rains
yees of Delhi Telephone District
fn Bombay

508. SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI:

Will the .Minister of COMMUNICA­ 509. SHRI M. M. JOSEPH:Will
TIONS be pleased to state: the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be
pleased to state:
(jn) the number of employees work­
ing in various Telephone Exchanges
in the Delhi Telephone District and (a) the total number of persons
the number of such employees among rendered homeless in Bombay due to
them who have been provided with very heavy rains recently; and
residential accommodation:

(b) the number of employees who <b) the estimated loss of human
have been working for more than five lives and Government property and
yews in Telephone Exchanges in Delhi private property?
 207 Written Answers JULY 24, 1974 Written Answers

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE of equipment have become unreliable

MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS and need renovation and rehabilita­
(SHRI F. H. MOHSIN); (a* Nil. tion. A programme for this is being
(b) (i) Loss of human lives implemented.
49 died and
21 injured Subsidy given in Power Stations for
(li) Loss of Government pro­ reducing the cost of Coal for power
perty: Generation
Nil.
511 DR. K. L RAO: Will the Mi­
(iii) Loss of private property
Rs. 23,13,000 nister of IRRIGATION AND POWER
be pleased to state:
Supply of Power by D.V.C. during (a) the estimated cost of coal deli­
1972-73 and 1973-74
vered at the poweT stations for the
510. DR K L RAO Will the thermal projects sanctioned for 1972
Minister of IRRIGATION AND —74 and up-to-date; and
POWER be pleased to state
(b) the amount of subsidy given to
(a) the peak load met and the
energy supplied in each month during power stations towards partially re­
1972-73 and 1973-74 by the D.V C ; ducing the cost of coal for power gene
(b) how much of this was from ration and the names of power sta­
Hjdro sources in the D.V.C; and tions and amount of subsidy given to
each station?
(c) the specific reasons for the pro­
duction of power less than normal” ; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA­
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND SAD) (a) and (b). Required infor­
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA­ mation is being collected and will be
SAD) (a) and (b) A statement indi­ laid on the Table of the House.
cating the position is laid on the Table
o± the House [Placed Library. See
No LT-8028/74] Allotment of residential accommoda­
tion to Officers at Fort Blair
(c) The generation ot power +rom
512 SHRI S D SOMALUNDA-
D imodar Valley Corporation thermal
RAM- Will the Minister of HOME
stations has been low due to frequent
break-down of coal mills, ID Fans AFFAIRS be pleased to state;
ash handling equipment and other ac­ (a) whether Andaman and Nicobar
cessories, particularly in Durgapur and Administration follow any set rules
Chandrapura. The main reasons have for the allotment of residential accom­
been the poor quality of coal, and in­ modation at Port Blair to the officers;
adequate maintenance. These items and
209 Written Answers SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) Written Answers 2 to

(b) if so, the fastg thereof and the 'b) Residential accommodation &
main points of the rules governing being allotted to officers doputed or re­
such allotment cruited from mainland almost imme­
diately on their arrival m Port Blair.
As far as possible they are allotted
accommodation as per scale given in
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE the statement. In case of non-avail­
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS ability of accommodation of the entitl­
(SHRI F. H. MOHSIN): (a) Yes, Sir. ed type, they are allotted next below
Andaman and Nicobar Administration type of accommodation. Lacally re­
at present follows Andaman Adminis­ cruited staff are also given accommo­
tration Residence (General Pool) dation as and when available on the
basis of their seniority, determined
Rules, 1967. by the date of their appointment

STATEMENT

Type of Entitlement
residence

I Below Rs. 175/- (Pre-revised

scale")

II From Rs. 175/- to Rs. 349,- Do.

III From Rs. 350/- to Rs. 499/- Do.
IV From Rs. 500/- to Rs. 799/- Do.
V From Rs. 800/- to Rs. 1299/- Do.
VI Rs. 1300/- and above Do.

Note:—Where type VII quarters arc available, officers drawing emoluments of Rs. 2250
and above (pre-revisee 1 scale) will be eligible for allotment of these quarters.

Correction of Answer to USQ No. 9529 dom fighters who have been awarded
dated 8-5-1974 re; Grant of Pension to pension m Bihar districtwise and the
Freedom Fighters from Bihar number of cases still pending with the
Government was placed on the table
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE of the House. It has now been found
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS on rehecking that figures against
(SHRI F. H. MOHSIN): In answer to Jamshedpur, Rohtas, Shahjahanpur.
parts (a) and (b) of Unstarred Quesr Aurangabad and Motihari were indi­
tion No. 9520 replied on 8-5-1974, a cated in the statement by mistake. A
statement showing the number of free­ correct statemen is attacheo.
2 i i Re. Issuing of Certain JULY 24, 1874 Re. Issuing of Certain 212
Ordinances Ordinances
STATEMENT
Number of Incomplete
S. Freedom applica-
No. Name of Districts Fighters tions
who have pending
been awarded disposal
pension
1 Shahabad 846 1143
2 Muzaffarpui 901 690
3 Dhanbad 69 26
4 Pumea 340 128
$ Patna 2002 996
6 Dharbhanga 1642 552
7 Palama 2*3 *5
8 Gaya 650 649
9 Saran 720 759
10 Monghyr 1136 382
11 Champaran 734 356
12 Saharasa 292 221
13 Hazanbagh 150 176
14 Bhagalpur 1021 IO67
15 Santhal parganas 340 440
16 Ranchi 123 151
17 Smghbhum 40 116
18 Siwan 3 45
T otal 11222 7912

12.42 hr*. THE MINISTER OF PARLIA­

b e . issu in g o f c e r ta in o r d i­ MENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI K.
nances RAGHU RAMAIAH): We stand by
what I said the other day. I had said
SHRI s. M. BANERJEE (Kan­ the other day that the circumstances
pur): Mr. Vajpayee, Mr. Sezhiyan under which they were issued would
and others have pointed out, about be explained by the Minister when
Ordinances, how shabbily the House the matter comes up for discussion
has been treated. In any case under the rules there is a
requirement that, when an Ordi­
MR. SPEAKER: I have asked the nance is issued, an explanatory
Minister to explain it. memorandum piust come. So that is
the occasion. When the mater comes
SHRI SEZHIYAN (KUMBAKE- up for discussion, the Finance Minis­
NAM): Instead of doing it one by ter rtill explain.
one, why not give all of them to­
gether? Then you can give a general
ruling.

MR. SPEAKER: On that day alflo

I have said that they will satisfy
me.
313 SRAVANA 2, 1896 iSAKA) Papers Laid

W f WFIlWt i ww (Third Amendment) Rules, 1974,

Published in Notification No. G.S.R.
tftfarir srra% <mr u w i
284(E) m Gazette of India dated
the 26th June. 1974 [Placed in Lib­
MR. SPEAKER: The direction is rary. See No. LT-8015/74J
that they will satisfy me before I
give the ruling. F in a n c e A ccounts of U n io n G overn ­
m ent for 1 9 7 2 -7 3
I do not want to deviate from the
agenda. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE
No intimaliorf has come to me . (SHR K. R, GANESH) : I beg to lay
on the Table a copy of the Finance
SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia­
Accounts of the Union Government
mond Harbour): You said that no
for the year 1972-73 [Placed tn
intimation was necessary. Library See No. LT-8015/74],
MR, SPEAKER: When did I say? N o t if ic a t io n s under A ll I n d ia S er ­
There should be some limit. v ic e s A ct, 1951, S ik H G u r w a r a

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU. What M anagement C o m m it t e e (R e g is tr a ­

is the limit? Limit for the Opposi­ t io n of E l f c t io n s A m endm ent) R u les,

tion? 1974, and D efence op1 I n d ia (A m end­

m ent ) R u les, 1974

MR. SPEAKER: I have no infor­
mation about what yeu are going to J 2 ? E MINISTER OF STATE IN
raise Yet us come to that stage when THE MINISTRY OF HOME AF­
you can raise it. FAIRS AND IN THE DEPARTMENT
Now, Papers to be Laid. M ? p n ^ NI?EL
MIiRDHA)- <SI!RI
I beg to RAM ™WAS
lay on the
rafcyLe—
Shri c. Subramaniam.
(1) A copy each of the follow-
mg Notifications under sub-section
12.47 His. (2) of section 3 of the All India
PAPERS LAID ON THE STABLE Services Act, 1951:—
R e g i s t r a t i o n a n d L i c e n s i n g o r In d u s ­
(i) The Indian Administrative
tr ia l UNDERTAKINGS (1ST AND 3RD
Service (Fixation of Cadre Stre­
A m e n d m e n t) R u l e s , 1974
ngth) Sixth Amendment Regula­
tions 1974, (Hindi and English
THE MINISTER OF INDUS­ versions) published in Notifica­
TRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SCI­ tion No. G S. R. 185 (E) in
ENCE AND TECHNOLOGY AND Gazette of India dated the 25th
AGRICULTURE (SHRI C. SUBRA­ April, 1974.
MANIAM): I beg to lay on the Table
a copy each of the fblowing Notifi­ (ii) The Indian Administrative
cations (Hindi and English versions) Service (Pay) Fifth Amend­
under sub-section (4) of section 30 ment Rules, 1974 (Hindi and
Kngliah verahons) (pubished in
o f tfee Industries (Development and
Notification No. G. S. R. 136 (E)
Regulation) Act, 1851:—
in Gazette of India dated the
(1) The Regisration and Licens­ 25th April, 1974.
ing of Industrial Undertakings
{Firet Amendment) Rules, 1074, (iii) The Indian Forest Ser­
vice (Probationers’ Final dea­
published in Notification No.
mination) (Amendment) Regula­
G. S. R. 270 (E) in Gazette of tions 1974. (Hindi version) pub­
India dated the 14th Jue, J974 lished In Notification' No. G.S.R.
<2) The Registration and Licen­ 45! in Gazette of tndia dated the
sing of Industrial Undertakings 11th May, 19*74.
215 Papers Laid JULY 24, 1974 Papers Laid a i6
(iv) The Indian Administra­ (xii) The Indian Forest Ser­
tive Service (Probation) Amend­ vice (Fixation o£ Cadre Stren­
ment Hues, 1974 (Hindi and En­ gth) Fifth Amendment Regula­
glish versions'* hw published m tions, 1974 (Hindi and English
Notification No. G. "s. R. 470 in versions) published in Notifica­
Gazette of India dated the 18th tion No. G. S. R. 273 (E) in
May, 1974. Gazette of India dated the 17th
(v) The Indian Police Service June, 1974.
(Probation) Amendment Rules, (xiii) The All India Services
1974 (Hindi and English ver­ (Joint Cadre) Amendment
sion) published in Notification Ruels, 1974 (Hindi and English
No. G.S.R. 471 in Gazette of versions) pubished in Notifica­
India dated the 18th May, 1974. tion No. G. S. R. 279 (E) in
(vi) The Indian Forest Service Gazette of India dated the 22nd
June, 1974.
(Probation) Amendment Rules,
1974 (Hindi and English versions)» (xiv) The Indian Forest Ser­
published in Notification No. G.S.R. vice (Probation) Amendment
472 in Gazette of India, dated the Rules, 1974 (Hindi and English
18th May, 1974. versions) published in Notifica­
(vii) The Indian Administra­ tion No. G. S. R. 660 in Gazette
tive Service (Cadre) Amend­ of India dated the 29th June,
ment Rules, 1974 (Hindi and En­ 1974.
glish versionst) published in No­ (xv) The Indian Police Service
tification No. G. S. R. 524 in (Fixation of Cadre Strength)
Gazette of India dated the 1st Third Amendment Regulations,
June, 1974. 1974 (Hindi and English ver­
(viii) The Indian Police Ser­ sions) published in Notification
vice (Cadre) Amendment Rules, No 661 in Gazette of India dated
1974 (Hindi and English ver­ the 29th June, 1974.
sions) published in Notification (xvi) The Indian Police Service
No. G.S.R. 544 in Gazette of (Pay) Third Amendment Rules,
India dated the 8th June, 1974. 1974 (Hindi and English ver­
(ix) The Indian Administrative sions) published in Notification
Service (Fixation of Cadre No. G. S. R. 662 in Gazette of
Strength) Fifth Amendment Re­ India dated the 29th June, 1974.
gulations, 1974 (Hindi and English (xvii) The Indian Administra­
versions) published in Notification tive Service (Fixation of Cadre
No. G.S.R. 547 in Gazette of India Strength) Eighth Amendment
dated the 8th June, 1974. Regulations, 1974 (Hindi and
English versions) published in
(x) G. S. R. 548 (Hindi and Notification No. G.S.R. 663 in
English versions) published in Gazette of India dated the 29th
Gazette of India dated the 8th June, 1974.
June, 1974 containing corrigen­
dum to Notification No. G.S.R. (xviii) The Indian Administra­
1183 published in Gazette of tive Service (Pay) Seventh Am­
India dated the 3rd November, endment Rules, 1974 (Hindi and
1973. English versions) published in
(xi) G. S. ft. 549 (Hindi and Notification No. G. S. R. 064 in
English versions)' published in Gazette of India dated the 29tli
Gazette of India dated the 8th June, 1974,
June, 1974 containing corrigen­ (xix) The Indian Police Service
dum to Notification No. G. S. R. Fixation of Cadre (Strength)
1184 published in Gazette of India Four Amendment; Regulations,
dated the 3rd November, 1973. 1974 (Hindi and English versions)
 Papers Laid SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) Papers Laid 218
published in Notification No. and English versions) published
G. S. R. 665 in Gazette of India in Notification No. G.S.R. 582 in
dated the 29th June, 1974. Gazette of India dated the 15th
(xx) The Indian Police Service June, 1974 under sub-section (4)
(Pay) Fourth Amendment Rules, of section 39 of the Delhi Sikh
1974 (Hindi and English ver­ Gurdwaras Act, 1974. IPlaced i«
sions) published in Notification Library. See No. LT-8017/74].
No. G.S.R. 666 in Gazette of (3) A copy of the Defence of
India dated the 29th June, 1974. the India (Amendment) Rules,
(xxi) The Indian Forest Service 1974 (Hindi and English ver­
(Fixation of Cadre Strength) sions) published in Notification
Sixth Amendment Regulation) No. G. S. R. 214 (E) in Gazette
1974 (Hindi and English ver­ of India dated the 7th May,
sions) published in Notification 1974, under section 35 of the De­
No. G.S.R. 300(E) in Gazette of fence of India Act, 1971. [Placed
India dated the 5th July, 1974. in Library. See No. LT-8018/74).
(xxii) The Indian Administra­ SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia­
tive Service (Probation") Amend­ mond Harbour): On a point of
ment Rules, 1974 (Hindi and order, Sir. The question is that the
English versions) published in Minister has laid item No. (xxvi)
Notification No. G.S.R. 685 in the Indian Administrative Service
Gazette of India dated the 6th (Pay) Sixth Amendment Rules, 1974
July, 1974. (Hindi and English versions) pub­
(xxiii) The Indian Police Service lished in Notification No. GSR 725
(Probation) Amendment Rules, in Gazette of India dated the 13th
1974 (Hindi and English ver­ July, 1974.
sions) published m Notification Sir, these Gazettes are not availa­
No. G.S.R. 686 in Gazette of ble for months. I have written
India dated the 6th July, 1974 numexous letters to the Minister of
(xxiv) The All India Services
Pai liamentary Affairs. . . .
(Death-cum-Retirement Benefits)
Second Amendment Rules, 1974 MR. SPEAKER: It is no point of
(Hindi and English versions) order. It is a submission
published in Notification No. G.S.R. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: We do
687 in Gazette of India, dated the not know what the Gazette is say­
6th July, 1974. ing.
(xxv) The Indian Administra­ MR. SPEAKER; You could have
tive Service (Fixation of Cadre written to me instead of taking the
Strength) Seventh Amendment time of the House----
Regulations 1974 (Hindi and SHRI JYOTIRMOY: BOSU: If
English versions) published in you keep talking, how am I to make
Notification No. G.S.R. 724 in my submission?
Gazette of India dated the MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down.
13th July, 1974 SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Why
(xxvi) The Indian Adminis­ should I Sit down? Have I come here
trative Service (Pay) Sixth Am­ to sit down?
endment Rules, 1974 (Hindi and MR SPEAKER* He takes pleasure
English versions) published in in defying the Chair. I said, you
Notification No. G.S.R. 725 in write to me.
Gazette of India dated the 13th SHRI JYOTIRMOY » BOSU: I
July, 1974. have written half a dozen letters.
fPlaced in Library. See No. LT- Let Shri Raghu Ramaiah tell the
8016/74]. House.
(2) A copy of the D€lhi Sikh MR. SPEAKER: You write to the
Gurdwara Management Commit­ Speaker, not to Shri Raghu Ramaiah,
tee (Registration of Electors SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I wish
Amendment Rules, 1974 (Hindi you reply to all our letters.
219 Paper* Laid JULY 24, 1974 P. M. B. Cm m . 22o
Report
Railway Convention Comm, Report
and BAC Report
MR SPEAKER; The Speaker is garding Import Policy for Newsprint
not bound to reply to each and every for the year 1974*75. [Placed in Li­
letter. brary. See No. LT-8020/74],
N o t if ic a t io n U n d e r In d ia n T e l e g r a ph
12.48 1/2 hrs.
A c t , 1885.
COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE MEM­
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE BERS' BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS
MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATION F o r ty-S econd R eport
(SHRI JAGANNATH PAHADIA): SHRi G. G. SWELL (Autonomous
Sir, I beg to lay on the Table a copy Districts): I beg to present the Forty-
each of the following Notifications second Report of the Committee on
(Hindi and English versions) under Private Members’ Bills and Resolu­
subjections (5) of section 7 of the tions.
Indian Telegraph Act, 1885:—
(i) The Indian Telegraph (Sec­ RAILWAY CONVENTION COMMIT­
ond Amendment) Rules, 1974 pub­ TEE
lished in Notification No. G.SR. 462
in Gazette of India dated the 11th F ir s t R epo r t
May, 1974.
SHRi B. S. MURTHY (Amalapu-
(li) The Indian Telegraph ram) • I beg to present the First Re­
(Fourth Amendment) Rules, 1974 port of the Railway Convention Com­
published in Nitification No. G.S.R. mittee, 1973 on action taken by Gov­
237(E) in Gazette of India dated the ernment on their Interim Report.
the 13th May, 1974.
(iii) The Indian Telegraph 12.49 hrs.
(Third Amendment) Rules, 1974
published in Notification No. G.S.R. BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
237(E) in Gazette of India dated F o r ty -F o u rth R eport
the 13th May, 1974. THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­
(iv) The Indian Telegraph (Fifth TARY AFFAIRS (SHRI K. RAGHU
Amendment) Rules, 1974, published RAMAIAH) * In the notice that I have
in Notification No G.S.R. 239(E) given there is a slight slip for which
in Gazette of India dated the 13th a corrigendum has been issued.
May, 1974. So, subject to that, I move:
((v) The Indian Wirless Tele­
graphy (Commercial Radio Opera­ “That this House do agree with
tors Certificate of Proficiency and the Forty-fourth Report of the Busi­
Licence to Operate Wireless Tele­ ness Advisory Committee presented
graphy) Amendment Rules, 1974 to the House on the 23rd July,
published in Notification No. G.S.R. 1974.”
491 in Gazette of India dated the MR. SPEAKER: The question is:
18th May, 1974 “That this House do agree with
[Placed in Library. See No. LT- the Forty-fourth Report of the Busi­
801*174]. ness Advisory Committee presented
P u b l ic N o t ic e R e . I m p o r t P o l ic y f o r
to the House on the 23rd July,
N e w s p r i n t f o r 1974-75
1974.”
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE The motion was adopted*
MINISTRY Ofr INFORMATION AND SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: (Dia­
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM mond Habour): I have written to you
BBt S1NHA): I beg to lay on the about the Sugar Inquiry ComxniMion’»
Table a copy of the Public Notice No. report. Secondly, one jforeign journal-
79-ITC (PN)|74 dated the 7th June, 1st was caught in Dum Bum air port
1974 (Hindi tod English versions) re­ with 7,000 dollars in ca d i....
3&I BAC Report SRAVANA % 1896 (SAKA) No-Congdence Motion 222.

MR SPEAKER: I will look into it. MR. SP1AKER: I am sorry; I am

I am not allowing anybody now. not allowing. Shri C. M. Stephen.
Your writing to me is not a command.
Daily 1 receive hundreds of letters SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: May I
from Members. I cannot allow all of submit something about the Sugar
them. I allow some. Commission Report, Sir1* The hon.
Minister is here. Why are they sup­
I am not allowing any Member now. pressing this report? It is a very
I am now going directly to the further vital issue for the country. The Mini­
discussion of the no-confidence mo­ ster is sitting over here. Is it because
tion. they want to collect funds for the
coming election? Mr. Mauirya is here;
SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS lei him say about this. Why is he not
MUNSI (Calcutta-South): You always submitting the Sugar Commission re­
allow members to make important port?
submissions under Rule 377....
MR. SPEAKER: No, I have not al­
MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down.
lowed anybody.
May 1 inform you that the Railway
SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS Minister will intervene at 3 O'clock
MUNSI: Let me make my submission, and the Finance Minister will inter­
Sir. vene at 5 0 ‘clock.
I am not asking you to relax the SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: What
rules. You must consider the impli­ about the point which I have raised?
cation of such questions being raised
by Members of Parliament. Members MR SPEAKER: I told you. Don’t
of Parliament raise very important come up like this off-hand and say like
issues They never raise less impor­ this. By writing to me it does not
tant issue? at ail. Sometimes you do mean that you get the opportunity,
not allow. I have myself moved ten
or twelve burning issues Hundreds SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: The Mi­
of working girls are being evicted. nister is here.
They are on the streets. They do not MR SPEAKER: I told you. it is
get food. They were evicted from the difficult to carry on the House if you
hostels. go on like this.
MR. SPEAKER: What is this? MR. Stephen, if you do not speak
Please sit down. Your Committee now I will call some other Member.
has decided that so long as a No-Con­
fidence Motion is there no other ques­
tion will come except this one. Please 12.54 hr#.
cooperate.
MOTION OF NO-CONFIDENCE IN
SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS THE COUNCIL OF MINISTERS—
MUNSI: This is a matter to be raised Contd,
in the House in all seriousness. It is SHRI C. M. STEPHEN (Muvattup-
about working girls. They came to uzha): Yesterday I was on the ques­
my house today, ten or twelve of tion of the railway strike. The point
them; they are in the streets of Delhi; I wish to make today is this. We are
they are not getting food; they can­ very clear in our mind and very firm
not enter the hostel; they are evicted in our belief that the attempt in the
from there. They are working girls. context of the railway strike was not
to forge a trade union struggle but
SHRI VAYALAR RAVI (Chirayin- was a conspiratorial attempt fur a
kil): ja the midnight the police oxtered political subversion and political
their rooms.. overthrow.
-2*3 No-Confidence Motion JULY 24, 1974 No-Confidence Motion 224

The reason is so clear that if it was dually rose in strength to about 14,000
a pure trade union struggle, certainly, out of 70,000 or so. If a mere 4,000
an agreement could have been arrived people could create a situation and
at on the 30th of April when six out could make it appear that the railways
of the eight demands were conceded were going to pieces, naturally, they
toy Government. had argued among themselves and
But, instead of that, in order that thought that with all the trade unions
the settlement might be scuttled and combined with all the political parties
in order that the show-down might behind them they could create a situa­
be precipitated, the leader of the strik­ tion in this country which would lead
ing committee bolted out from the to a firstclass political crisis.
scene and wired to the International
Centres to say that the talks had Shri George Fernandes went into
broken down and that they were head­ delirium with the future prospects of
ing towards a strike. The point here
the developments and he went to the
is that what they wanted was not set­
tlement but a show-down and con­ extent of saying that the first indus­
frontation that they were after. The trial machinery would come to a
reason wae that looking at the politi­ grinding halt and that more than half
cal and economic scene of the country,
with the prices rising and with the the population would be faced with
inflationary spiral moving up and with starvation That was the declaration
the discontent showing up in certain that he made.
parts of the country and taking a les­
ion from the developments in Guja-
lat which, according to them gave a Now, Sir, with these calculations
spell of success and, with certain rum­ they went on. But, unfortunately, they
blings m Bihar with a new found failed to take into their reckoning
leadership under Shri Jayaprakash certain basic factors—the factor that
Narain coming forward, they thought the N.F.I.R. with a tremendous moral
that the time was ripe for them to authority on the railwaymen was op­
strike. They chose to strike at the posed to the strike. (Interruptions)
nerve-centre of the nation Not that They failed to appreciate the tact that
they thought-possibly they could not the Indian National Congress was at
expect it—that the railwayment of all variance with them; they underesti­
the railways would troop in in res­ mated the patnotie sentiments of the
ponse to their call They knew that lailwaymen and the nationalistic
the National Federation of Indian compulsions of the railwaymen who
Railways were against the strike; never faltered in their attitude where
they knew that the Indian National the national interests were at stake.
Congress, with its great moral autho­ They knew therefore that they would
rity, was moving against the strike not be able to get the railwaymen in
and they also knew from the past ex­ Nevertheless, drawing from this ins­
perience that the railwaymen would piration they went ahead and, above
not tow the line of sabotage wher­ all, they underestimated the moral
ever the national interests were in­ authority that the Prime Minister of
volved; but, they drew their inspira­ India could wield by the warning that
tion from the experience of the loco she sounded and by the way she was
strike which took place in 1973 when able to muster up against the opposi­
out of 70,000 loco men they could call tion. I found Mr. Bosu, in and out,
in only about 4,000 to strike work. shouting against the Flrime Minister
Nevertheless, by their campaign of and throwing filth and fume at her.
hatred and intimidation, they were 13 hrs.
able, an days went on, to get more and
more people from their posts. So I do not know what he is going to
much so, the striking personnel gra­ gain by that. An Adventurist like Don
 225 No*Confidenee SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) No-Confidence 226
Motion Motion *
Quixote that he is in politics, I can no assurance a* all, because it is never
perfectly understand his mechanics. anybody's policy that there should be
But I do not understand why the victimisation. Therefore ‘no-victimi­
Marxist Communist Party is putting sation’ is not a matter for an assu­
up this ex-corporal of the British rance. What are the grounds for
Army, this ex-covenanted officer of victimisation? They say in the first
the foreign tea plantations and foreign place...
firms, this sort of adventurist m Indian MR. SPEAKER- Sow much more
politics, now and then to play the role time is he likely to take?
as if of a hired clown to throw out this
filth at the Prime Minister. These SHRI C. M. STEPHEN: About IS
allegations deserve no reply at all, and minutes more.
I do not want to reply to them.
MR. SPEAKER* He may continue
Anyway, when the confrontation his speech after lunch.
came between the Opposition parties, 13 03 hys.
the entire lot of them, and about a
hundred tiade unions all the trade The Lok Sabha adjourned for Lvnch
unions except the INTUC combined till frini)teen of the Clock.
on one s5de, and the Indian National
Congress and the Government under
the leadership of the Pnme Minister The Lok Sabha reassembled after
and in INTUC led NFIR on the other Lunch at three minutes past Fourteen
side, and We saw what had happened. of the CJcfcfc
It ha-s be<>n conceded that on the first
day, five lakh workers went on strike LUiIr Deputy-Speaker in the Chair]
out of 1? lakhs. As the days went MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri
on, m contrast to what had happened Stephen to continue his speech.
dui ing the loco-stnke, more and tnore SHRI C. M. STEPHEN: To come to
workers reported for duty, so much so victimisation, victimisation has got a
that by the 22nd, they found that only very definite concept in industiral law.
lakh workers had struck work. One thing is very clear. What takes
place in the due course of law can
Then, they came out with a sort of never be victimisation. Here the com­
formula. They created a formula and plaint is that there is break in service
then they rejected it. But the wor­ of some people and termination of
kers understood that they were being service of some others. Break in ser­
misled. Sand started flowing under vice has been effectuated not by
their feet. DisownecMiy the workers any order; it has been brought about
in the railways and despised by the under a specific rule of the railway
people of this country and confronted establishment. The rule says that a
by the nation as a solid rock they had strike may be divided into two cate-
finally t° surrender unconditionally. gories—legal strike and illegal strike.
Now, their attempt is to stage a come­ In case of an illegal strike, the absence
back, anti they are now trying to of the employee concerned is tanta­
scurry back to the stage with a new mount to break in service and cannot
slogan and the slogan is ‘Avoid victi­ be condoned without the sanction of
misation1. the President. Therefore, automati­
cally break in service takes place. Now
My hon. friend Shri Indrajit Gupta the only action the Railway Board
was making a point yesterday that can take is to condone it. Therefore,
there was some assurance and that with respect to break in service, no­
assurance was being violated. It to body in his senses can say that there
for the hon. Minister to say what is an act of victimisation. It is in
assurance was/there. But with res- the process of law that the break in
06dt to victimisation there need be service has taken place. It is for the
1125 LS—8
22? NQ-<fonptence Motion JULY 84, 1974 Nb-Confidme* M rtfa 29$

employees concerned, to put in their out their nefarious campaign. %»,

apEwati^n foi1 condonation. What there is no question of victimisation.
they must do is to ptermit ttooae em­ Mr. Indrajit Gupta said, some blade
ployees to but in their application legs are given incentives. I do not
for condonation and not stand in the know what he means by black legs.
way. f '
Even if there was no undertaking by
the minister that he would give incen­
The second category is termination tives I would plead with him that
of service It stated here that the
services of about 16,000 workers had these workers stood in defence of
the interests of the country in spite
been terminated. May be correct,
of the attacks made on them. In the
may not be correct. But I am told face of grave dangers, they stuck to
that at least 5,000—6,000 of them have
their posts to keep the wheels of the
put in their appeal, the appeal has trains moving. They are not black
been allowed and they have been put
legs; they are patriots number one of
back in service. It is for the others this country. It ig not by money alone
to proceed in due course of law to
that their service has to be acknow­
put in their appeal under the rules.
ledged. The acknowledgment must
Let not these leaders stand in the he made in the same manner jg
way and add to the ruin they have
already done on the persons who have done in the case of jawans who fought
against Pakistan Mr. Gupta
been depending on them.
them black legs. May I put the
So much was said about casual em­ mirror back t0 him? We took a de­
ployees, 3 lakhs of them. I am told finite stand from the beginning that
that— only 18,000 have lost their lien. the strike was anti-working class and
There is no question of termination we asked our workers not to parti­
because, m'fhe case of the casual em­ cipate in it. But Mr. Indrajit Gupta
ployees ft is loss of hen. Here also jumped on the bandwagon and join­
I am told that about 5,000 have been ed the NCRCS. He was with Mr.
taken back on application. This is a George Fernandes He was in the
matter which can be pursued under forefront with a plumage on his
tlac rules and the law. In spite of head, as if he was leading the whole
the law, tfiese people proceeded to thing But after a few days, his party
strike They knew there was a noti­ declared that the strike is withdrawn
fication under the Defence of India and the workers could decide whether
Act, rule llfi is there any doubt to 30m duty or continue the strike.
that it it was an illegal strike with What a worderfui thing! You ask
its legal consequences which have to the workers to strike and when the
follow? Once it takes place, rectifi­ strike is going on on a national plane,
cation must certainly take place. you give the order to the workers
Rectification can be had only if the saying “You may decide whether to
aggreived person comes forward. But continue the strike or not” . Is he not
these friends would not let them come a black leg? If workers joined duty
forward They want to come on the at the behest of Mr. Dange, woitfd
scene saying, “We are going to protect you call them black legs? He
you’. I appeal to the minister, let the worker* to go on strike and $4
there be no budging on this sort of the middle of the stream, he jumped
blustering tactics. The law must take out of the boat and asked the workers
its own course. The railway admini­ also to get oft the boat. If nobody
stration has been considerate with went to work at his behest, it
those who came with, applications. If means a cfta* admission thftt his fe­
they take credit for it. is their deration does not havQ any hold over
business. Maybe they want some tJ» empjpyses. if they went back to
mMtyrs, some terminations to be con­ work, it ineans Hr. SBfetftt Gupta
firmed* so that some mote forces may # e patriarchs of
P *m
b? recruited to their ranks to carry the Mark ta*— t h<
fretting and fuming when the notice
^*9 No-Confidence SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) No-Confidence 230
Motion Me*tio»
Irom Mr. Rajeshwara Rao was Starting from Shri Piloo Mody and
M u g Issued. Mb. Banesrjee who ending with Marxist Comminist Party
afliouts and performs gimmicks here they all jumped into the wagon in
thereafter screeched like a lamb and qrdpr to protect the bonus rights of
itpthlng wag heard of it. So, persons the workers. Shri Piloo Mody is ask­
who are Jiving in a glass house should ing for bonus to the workers !*What
ndt throw stones at others. a wonderful transformation! All com­
pliments to him.
1 am appealing to the minister to
take a lesson from last year. You bent SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra): I
to the category unions at the time of always maintain that Stephen should
the strike jby the Iocq staff and that also get a bonus.
put courage into the people to call
this national catastrophe. PJease put SHRI C. M. STEPHEN: Coming
« atop to the whole thing. This is next to tile Ordinance, let me be very
not an area for adventurism or ad clear. I have no apology. Let uar
fcocism because railways hold the key understand the quehtion. What da
to the prosperity and security of the the workers want? They want two-
nation. Take a leaf from the past. things. They must have peal wage
Let principles not be surrendered sustained and they must have increase
whatever may happen. If the loco m wages proportionate to the increase
strike started with 4,000 striking wor­ in the national income. These are the
kers and the number of strikers swel­ two principles which should guide the
led to 14,000 towards the end and as wage policy of any country.
against that in this strike starting
from 6 lakhs it went down to 2 lakhs Now, when inflation takes place and
by the time it ended, the picture and prices go up, when erosion in the
must be dear. wages takes place, we had been re­
sorting to the mechanics of isscalating
The picture is that the Railway dearness allowance in order that that
Board in the strike today had a defi­ erosion may be neutralised. It worked
nite policy and a definite stand, and for some time, but it cannot work for
the Government also had a definite all times to come. Of late one thing
stand, and the patriotic citizens of this became apparent. In economy where
country, the patriotic workers rallied inflation has set in, where inflation has
behind ynu. Let that be the policy started going up, in a country where
hereafter. That is all what I have to wages are chasing prices, in an eco­
say. nomy where price rise is going beyond
control, whatever may be the addi­
Before I depart from the subject I tional dearness allowance given, Hm
do want to pay a public compliment, real wages would be fagging. This $1
on my own behalf and on behalf of the dilemma In which the Indian
the workers whom I represent, to the workers find themselves today. In a
Railway Board, to the Railway Minis­ developing country like ours, the old
ter, to the railway administration and method of the neutralisation of the in­
to the Government for the forthright­ crease in prices by the additional
ness, foresight, clarity of vision and grant of dearness allowance will be
the first class strategy with which no answer to the problem. Some
they met, I do not call it a strike but Other answer will have to be found.
a deliberate pre-planned conspiracy
against the security of this nation. Two things are dear If production
I do cOmtriiment the hon. Minister in is going up, of course there is no
this respect. problem then. But if the production
is stagnant, if against a particular
I may $py in passing that of all quantum of porduction of commodiUea
pftQple i0 kfi Piloo Mody has started more and more nwwey is given, it is
pleading on M ftU of the workers. very clear .that with respect to each
 231 No-Confidence Motion JULY 24, 1974 No-Confidfince Motion 232

unit of the commodity the prices will tected or not. Why should not the
go up. Overnight increase in produc­ lower paid worker be protected? la
tion is not possible. Therefore, what the Ordinance, there is clause 14 which
should be done is the question. The gives power to the Government to
answer is that consumption should be exempt specific categories of workers.
restricted. Reference has been made I*, is the job of the trade unions to
to black money Certainly, it must identify those classes 0i workers, the
be fought against Assuming that I get lower paid workers, who should be
Rs. 10 crores overnight, unless it be protected against the operation of the
that 1 use it for hoarding operations Ordinance. They should tell the higher
essential commodities by 10 crores of paid workers, “You shall not con­
lupees can have no pressure on the sume what more you are getting but
essential commodities, essential for the rather put it back so that the lower
working class, because I as an indivi­ paid workers may also sustain in the
dual, cannot consume more of the es­ meanwhile.” The persons who are
sential commodities than I consumed fighting against the Ordinance axe
yesterday. But if 10 crorcs are dis­ fighting for the higher paid workers
tributed among one crores of people, disregarding the interest of the lower
I have absolutely no doubt that pres­ paid workers. We in the INTUC, we
sure will be felt on the essential com­ m the Parliamentary Wing, we indivi­
modities. dually will take up the cause of the
lower paid workers and will try to get
Therefore, the anrwer is two-fold. protection ter them against the ope­
One is to incrwv.e production and the ration of th» Ordinance.
second is to restrict consumption in
the meanwhile. It cannot be restricted Aia I said, this is a question which
to one section only, it has got to be all has got to be fought on a war basis.
round. This problem has to be Bonus share must be stopped; dividend
fought on a war basis and that is what distribution must be stopped; searches
is being done. must take place so tact black money
may be recovered and all that. From
There is talk of wage freeze. I od different areas, attacks are got to be
not understand what their concept of a mounted up. In that the working
wage freeze is. Increments are allow­ people alao have to contribute their
ed, revision of wages is allowed and share so that with respect to essential
increased dearness allowance is allow­ commodities, there may not be any
ed. All that is asked for is that you pressure on them and the prices may
should not consume your increased be maintained. This is a step taken in
dearness allowance to the extent of the interest of the workers. Other­
50 per cent. A question can very wise, we should have been caught in a
well be asked: if the dearness allow­ vicious circle and the Government is
ance cannot be consumed, what is the to act on a war footing. The Govern­
dearness allowance for? ment is taking steps oa a war footing.
I have two tyi>es of workers before
me—one is the rasluw workers whom A question ?*ked: Why an
I am leading and another is heavy in­ Ordinance? The Oidinance has got a
dustry workers whem also I am lead­ psychological impact. It has got to
ing. The cashew worker gets 2 npfor be done m this manner if the issue
every 5-point increase in the cost of is to be fought on a war basis. There­
living; the other worker gets 25 np. fore, with respect to that I compliment
for every poin* of increase in the cost the Government. Not that they issued
of living. Both are workers and pro­ an Oridinancg but that they are now
ducers, producing wealth in the coun­ aware of the situation and they are
try. going all ought to fight the inflationary
danger that the country is facing. That
Now, the question is whether the is a matter on which the compliment
lower paid worker fax got to be pro­ is due to the Government
 233 No-Confidence SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) No-Confidence 234
Motion ' Motion
Mr. Xnirajit Gupta sarcastically said w m * v n afaft (snang*) :
that the Prime Minister was a gene*
ralissimo. May 1 submit, in all humi­ w sarar if irfawrrar
lity, that I lor one and, I am sure,
our party Members are happy and w m t t q fo wrw srenreyff i
proud of our generalissimo. That
generalissimo has led us in the con­ ^ c il ^
frontation with Pakistan over Bangla­ fwi-H ^ *rrar
desh; that generalissimo has led us nSFT TT
in the fight against poverty and de­
privation in this country; that gene­ m # v&t ^ | ere
ralissimo has led us in the confronta­ fardtft mm t fo ^
tion against the conspiratiorial gang
which demonstrated itself in the
railway strike. I am sure, that gene­
ralissimo will lead us to the future of
our dreams 6f socialist India where
equility will prevail, prosperity will ^ SW T I I x v m
prevail and poverty will be abolished. A ft r e ^ c t)— TTJfT iw m
1 take this opportunity to reiterate
-ur confidence in our generalissimo, VR”PT— TT3TT^ spT f I
our leader, not generalissimo of the ^ ^ f??rT5r I *tt f s r w
type of clumsy clown that led the
Marxist Benches today but the gene­
ralissimo of the dignity determination m m jm r ftm i fcu
courage and vision that we have in W R I T *FT ^FRffiFTT % eft
Smt. Indira Ganhi and we reaffirm STRTT t f% W& *r
our faith in her and our party.
ar? $ sntifr ?rt
With these words, I oppose this No- ^ r r fa %m
Confidence Motion. I reject the con­ f f fa t o t
tentions raised by the move of the wt snrrar snrra-
Motion. I discard thp arguments put
forward by him. On behalf of my sftr^TRRapr smr?rt« m:
party, I commend to this House to % 3TRT iftorr 1
eject it outright, reiterating our faith
in our party and in our leader.
^ w rr^r ?prr smr ?
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: As al­
ready announced, the Railway Minis­
ter will intervene at 3 P.M. and the
Finance Minister at 5 P,M. We want to fight it on a war-footingi
I would like to remind Mr. Stephen
that war is the last resort. When we
SHRI PILOO MODY: I do not see have exhausted all avenues to solve
any reason why they should Have re­ the problem peacefully, then only we
served time. must resort to war.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Ia case eft EfTT 3TcT Jfit fa 3 ^

you are interested.
STTT *f3T 5RIT t R W*
V tfw ^ t eft STTf^^T ^ I T T T
SHRI PILOO MODY: Kindly al­
lot me time also. I will intervene srnr ^ v W w v t ,.
at 4 O'clock. %m %rwm w f ^ ?
235 No-Confidence Motion, JtJlY 24, l&M XfrConfiteim Motto* 236

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§ «tt \ *re t s a t ^ r r i ^ qrf *?p*r ^aft <rc 10 sd w r ??rr ^ ^rrar * fr
fn *f t t sftrarsr wsrarcr 1 ? r * r eft m t =5^1% | 9 ^ tfRT aftwr
f t srrr ^ r t t fc - TT STRTT % I eft cT^T ^ ta r fft^
wmrr vrft ^r^ft mfbn srfepitT *f Psifilf ^ ' ^ '#=ft ^ afT^T ?W 5T3fT
srrnt «ft wr T*»ft *15 wrr »jFft* £ *FPT ^Tft 3T?frT | ft «nf5pF
trfe * m r qr**iTT ift ?ft f a r s r l r ^ s i r f%«rf5r *ft i *rnr *ft ^ttvk
$*r%t o 1 1 sr«r irffrTTtamtt ^t t o t t t fa pFhrrfftv fffirN 'ir
T i f s*rr?r ?r ^ f ^ »H *n ft *r v n r ^ ^ ?rr ar# grsrt*rt t t tft ^rr
T^*r <rt s w ^ R ’TTor qnarrsr ^ f * arc i ftrcrc t w ^ rft i
^ r <ts# #sr t t f t W i rflftig m p c
incr *m s r *nft% t t 1 1 t j r * n : % f t f w q r «rrrr5 TTft^nt i fft^ fr^ rr
3jp f%HT?ft sr^fr tft sre TTft f ?ftT T |t | *frC 'TT^ft ?ft3RT % ? R » %
n ft f t sta rrtT S T cT t s n t f t 1 1 *F TO T ft s * r %
^ tV *st$ ft t^t
t t * tV ttct Tt arrcft t m srNw* | fa FT9T ^% fa% ?pr TTt I
a>r *»r ft ?^t ^Frm i irrafr ft *rrft f t t $ ftfa^r tjt ft
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^ttw ^ t farcr T t ?[*r s ^ r r f a r
fig-faffeR- T f f t T t S*T cFrT37
% fzft it ttrrr zw *t «ft
T T ft STlft I W dTT I 5TT3T STCTTT
^ TTTTt^ l f*T T ?f t $ f a *TTTt 5T3T

*tst srarrc f l r f t % v tfw t t

f ^ f t ft arrcfr, w n f f t v ® rt ^5ft i
^ wr*r ^rwr t>f«r % *rw ^*ft R a w i«
I I *T3T T T STOTT fa s ft fa*rr ?
fa^T 5fT t^t | ^ ^ r w?rr i
w Ttf s n w fsrfor fcr | sfr ste
W f t ? ^ 1955—56ft Wt qr?fr ^rfft % f a r o t t arnr m
2,oooTTte qfti$ST«fr^*rnir 10,000 m ?n^r or; <rtft ^fft % f a r o t t
T T t * ?1T R f T *n£ t I *fr T T T T 3 T |, fT 3PT^ ft qWT I 7 f aRTt f f t STCT
T^TTT^’ ^ s n f^ ^ ^ T T t f w t ? iT^fftsrRft
ftsrt?tTTT?rfa Tf?ra^ t t mm ^ ^ ■ f^ T T tq w r^ rT fa T ^ T T frft
^ % f^r ^ 1 JTt^rr f¥ p M t^ q ? tw fft i
STCPIwTfftftI I tTcTr’T5TT m fm\ ^Rtw faETR T t ? 5 T ^ T t
because of the huge borrowings, ^ tr s»t ft ^nrmt, «srt *rfft r e
dependence on foreign aid and ever- ^ ^ ft \ . r\. . *v _ £_a, ._*».
cTT v n ^ H I TTcft I ^ m R V rTTT m TT
mounting taxes ssr^rt Ttrt, ? v fe *$ tftm t^ $ t7 ajt?rft
t*t ^fr 1 t^^tti *rnfr stt^#? Tift s ft5 n fh r,w ift3 R rv t5 < fft# T T T
- d ^ N lo eft vnnrTTC 3RRTT 911 T fT f , fa m i fa r tfm\ 15TPT q rw t5 Fft«T
HK ^WRpft % |PT ft T ^ ^ I c f t l I ^ t T O l ? H ? ftTt f t
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Ml No-Confidence SRAVANA 2, 1890 (SAKA) No-Confidence 242
Motion / Motion
W SflRW WRIT ?ft & wt w f «ft, ^ r T t «n? r?ffir
^ t ^ I far 3 T ff gpf: ? m ft *r
w *frr fo tft *m »pt ft i wm | f vt ^sftw v r t| |
WmaiT w n *P *T m 3HFT *PT *TF?m*T *fk H l^ M t^o q to IPR’f #
w r t , SiPm *rm ?ror ftasr ^ f^ ^ q r^ ^ 9 F ^ | fa rT n q fǤ N r | 1
VT *TFT *T^t f*R T I '^RP1T tw ^ T T # eft fa ir ^ T ? r V t w t ^
amsfrfl ^rfi 1 1 ijfa I ? ^ f t t 3 f T faw fm xm t 19 7 2
§ s t r *ft i r 4 w «Tft ^ r r a r , *jf5r Pra<«r $ r m i r f ,^ r v t ^ p q R f W * F f t ^ fw ?
farm, spt < m ^ ^ ^TTF^^r % ’Sft q ^r ^ 9 R af
ftw r 1 yh^^refNt % fapt *ft w t ^ r f w a r w t t fr z f a w w t ?rfar?f?r f t ^ r n r s r
^ f, f w ^ y s i< ^ ^ fw 1
t ^ % r r <nrft : f?fflrr
^ t a rm | % f w i " grsrt % ^ft»r ] 5 « w ^ t r r e r w r r wft w fe rr 1
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m T fT t «*ftfar q ^ r a^T anfffflM ,
is irfc r w rtfs n rr
<TFfr, farsneft * f k TtAitftm * t wt?t ?wr ^ r r ? ^ ^r s f f t a rrfw T ^ rr^ r
«n?fir t , farar «rrr sra^sr ^ i ^t ^ a rrfo rT a p f# f fa * ^
eft sFtT aiPFIT iffft '3R5 ^ T sr*n% 7 eft 4)-w 4»l *|5t ? R f ^ ’ftR T lp T *F t
*ffc *TW *rt faRTT^r V^TT I eft ^ T W -
aPTt #5fT, *F m «Pt W t
*$w*rc: tfr f m *n f^ t i §# • farftar s^t ^ stt? fa r* f M ^TTfsr m
*n fo *r fa r f r % m «rnr»ft s m - t
%^r%facjT’pr ^ ^ R r ^ t w r fsrar
?ft f a F ^rsrsr^r iwvt f5m?T ^t?ft a R ^ % arraf ?fw ft ^ f t , f f k f a * 2 7 ^ S > ^
'TS’eft f 1 * r | f a n r % ^ apr^T 1 3PT% a rR rf^ % ^ rv t^ N r^ a rtrt
$jfarrd *rar ^ t f t ^ r r t *ft
«tt t fai«| |far2 *rf ^tarraf
Trsr^rCV % w i | sttct q r * r o %
a n ^ f t t ^ r k f e s i f ^ n f a ? <%?r% « n ^
f «fr^TTf a ^ ^ t far % ^ ft ^ r t ^ ft t 3FTT 1T3T
the way m which the strike was
handled vh: «R *n ^ r m%* vt arrerf *$t
^ ?PTT* W f t t , W ^T % ta F T T T ^ W ^ I ^ F T ^ ^T%
1 1w f t g?r *r ^t insert $ i f o s r # ^ ^Ft %r ^ spar v?: fw r 1
«TT far Vg M f^ 'K % ?ft>r t , $ ?*T itfta ?TT3TtoT | 7 5ft?IFr^5Rft ft%
apnr *«H*P1 ^fiTcU g , q l w ^ V vfhff ^ ^ rftrx T fa r^ m ^ 6 ^ r % ^ 3 f t ^ r ^ t

"Ft ®FT§ 5To +^dl ^ ^r ^ T F T tft 33

irsr ^ r ^rr t ^ t t ^ % tt ’ si(di*n?f ^ t «rTrry i f « ^ ' t < v h n p T T

w rrm t ? ^i^fr % ^ , eft 5 R - ^ n f ^ F P T 3ft ^fft *T «R T

?RTT5ir f% 5 » T f F ^ I IV ^fr ^T ^ rn »T eft ^ q j i r ^ r r ^t r f c t »r^t

frsrTpr q r q fr ^ ^ to t ^ f t ^ n , ^ e f t ' ^ T T , eft ^ ^TFT M K ^ d

g y d M 7 T ^ ^ f ^ T R P ? I WhRI^" TT^^T ^ ^ t far 8 33 STfaw

% ^ ? ^ f? R spt f f q^fcT | f^PfT ^ r t eft far?: *rn r ^ % r r «rk

aiK<ff>T<T ^ | I ^T*T v m v t eft q ^ n ^ t 1

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« fw f< | 1 & ^ i r ,^ f ^ r f 5 r ^ « f t ^ e » w i *rfa ir|

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24$ No-Confidence Motion JULY 24, i m IT««ConMf^e Motton <*&

safcqfSr r i l r f i w ^ 2oonTfw rt frw y g g ffif W WllpK IT

■ 1*5*. „ .*.#>..14. #» .. ‘
iff t #N f % fawfo
<m^rn«7 I WTtrOTPRWTTOT SPTTC
tWfW^f k ^irtfear j
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«n^r ftfy r*ny^ 7PT
m qt
qr ^prr fa 2ffr6sr^tin5i,wi%
^ ^ *r$r?b^ i Rrt» ^ w n c t v t ^
W t m cfr «rr, m m «t ft tft
He absented himself from the meeting.
f ^ r 2t«rt «T^t f t trnft I i** «Rfrr «ffiR.R «rr, ^r% wt^ t *wp
apjfrST *TfT fcraT I * f f a t f « R fiw r a f w to t «rr, ^ n w v r ’ft^ r %m vt
^T3Tt? I ^f&ft f?m |m «rT, «rk i
m tim t 11 ^rr^FfhT *rr ^r ff trw% ^ r % ww
til Cl^ *ftt M4>S| 'STRTT^ I %f^T WfiS «rt f^’TT w*rr
^ r ^ w f^ r t ¥T «rnr qr fw r a ^ rr ?
%jsrsrai^t *T^ srRft *!<ft 11 ,qrif?Rri- ftm i w ^?npr w TR#f?rv ^
SrgRtryr sner aft tfrf) ftwT i im m % ■^srflfT^rrtr, ^?r ffe : ^ ^
srsffR ^ 5 srr^ i < 5977 % sw*r »pp *mt ?T^t fw r I JTT^r TpfcT
^ tot 11 ^ ^ e m ^ E m c m f ^ l w r w r «ft I ^TT l^TVt TTHT I WTT
«WfR*pti ftfteu f t vre % *pm * tr ^ r f¥ ^ F t ^ fh ^ r vrt w\
Wt f^TRT ^ft*T f , W*fl %ft%. *1^1*0 ^ TOT «n?r «ff I ?T»F
^prri *r f i w < P f*r ^PfT tv f ’TPt ^FT ^T ^sppff^ror ft, St^F
fafrgw frm w r srrc w | fa. $*f % ?T, fjTTf^ grft% ?r &m SR7T apT
« m r ^ t fa *j<r<4 f t , sftT Tfs^Ri TTTT'YhFn" %
4iiR w r f> t *[?t ^FTwft % trar s iw r t T ^ n r t^FT f^FTcfT | ^ ITRTT 3JfT ifir
^ r i t o w *r *<rPTTtot | fa mrnrmt sRTra- ^ ^^rrs^r ^t f^i% ?ft ^ r ?ft
fScTT^r % q ^ r *ft fTjN r 3TT?T «ft ^T % TTsr^fe ^ q ft
*ft< «w 5 R 1 i ^ t o % fK W fi «ft I
«PT 1^?5T W t*T «Rit nW?V<T TST ^ )
^ ft irrawRr t t srfd^r $nnw *tst 1 1
s F i^ ^ m tfts s n ^ ts r T ^ f i # ’»T*TSTPTT^ f^> SRsft ? M
I mf&u ^ r 11 ?rft tot 11 *rcft ir 5f s r iw
TOT WTT f ^T mrft % TO *I«J
For all practical purposes it is printed
m the time-table that the tram is tun­ ?TTfW?r W *m$rr t ?r I ^ T ^ rqr
ing, but running where God alone TO t vt ^ ft facSTgfre | t ?TPT
knows.
t, srt ^nps % w r vnr tc i t
§4Y fcrfa % n m 3rfT fa sw *rc *t
<77 ^ ^ 5*TMTr ^ ? t t e r ^T
^Tcrr^R^r q=m^r t eft *fr | ? to
j^ t ft * r £ t »% «r*r ^ finw w 11 stfr
^ T O T t ft? « f a r p arRTTWr I I
str 5(^r $»r % ,® w f^ R T fr, spw t w 5pt % fw qr w r
ify i fcft tffc «ft* ^ »
*45 tfMjwflgfUC* SRAVANA 2, 1896 {SAKA) No-Qonfitence 246
Motion Motion
, t *rr* m m wftp* iF $ w r *m snrR^rft *rnft*t| %frz
r \ «5 «* n fcr wr$ t wr% ^ptpt ift *nc t# t I
*rcprr 1 itft iptflrsrr & f^r <rc
i v ’T R «R^«rtr v r S r v w ^ i v h ?n% q?t
i$& swstffcr % *n*r «w t $j
f*rrc wtwt *wrt*r w«rv4m src3rre
vrrftrtrr | i
|Rr # w vfiiWRr % sRRrrar CmmMi hmmI MM A jfc....
fiFT 3TRUT IT ’•PTT *0? *PT*rf | r w
*pt w r t o t §r 1
f f ? T F r ^ 11
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I have a^r vm -
been requested by the Whip of the %*t 'jft srrCt %rr ^ t ^t
Congress part / to allow each speaker
irton the Congress Party 15 minutes. «Tf t 1 ^ % m rft Vi^t,
I hope they will keep that in mind. 5^ : ^t ^ *ft fr«ft cW
1 shall co-operate by ringing the qr f ^ n r ^ ^ ?pr ^ w r
b e ll....
«rr 1 sptf ^ F T fT ^ «ft ff:
SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA vs vfim m % sm & %
<Sesampore): How many speakers are irf^r ^ i ?rf^r f^rdift ^fT
there from the Congress Party?
% ^ w ^rer ^t ^rr % v f^ R T
MR. DEPUTY- SPEAKER: Why «PT iW K %?rnt I ^PT Hereto
does he not allow nie even to finish
^ rfw r 1 1 vrM m * ^t ^ r r
my sentence? 1 shall co-opcrate by
ringing. (Interruptidns). When ^t, stFft *cm ^ tot |
men are troubled, certainly it is ^ ift ^rfsrvTT % 1 ^
trouble er ough, and when women arc,
1 do not know what to .say. I shall w fw r r ^ t^ s fk ^nm r ^
co-operate by ringing the bell at the ^ r % ^ J r ^ f « 5 n r t ^ T | ?rk
right time. wn | «fh:
jrft w r | f«p ^ $ar qr
«ft ***<#a t m ( m w r c ; ) : v r T$% 1
m ^rr q fiw r a fr 3^

% far fc r *w tT ^h?t | % wm «PR ^T ^

i f l r TFSFftfirar fa»r% *r % $t *Hdi irtr ^fr ^n^ftr vrfkv ¥«fs:
11 *f 3ft
wm apt fa rfo xpsfhr Jf ^tt^r
| tft t, w t m |
qtwrfoff $ t t I ^ ^ » TO^vrr tit ^ ft ?rd% % ?r^t
*FT WlfajT V* W t % *Tjft ^?r ^fcr
fr t o t t wfr* wm ^ t «PT HWTT TOTq^TT I 5TT5T 1TST ?*ft^T
«rgcr q^TFr t t 1 1 ir^nf atfr f f
W & t tfn i mm 1 1 ^ ^ w m 1 1 ^?ft. 3ft ?t
$ %ttK*v V* w rm | f¥ fr o f t «rk «n«ft ?f«rr $?n?t ^tafr wt ^
tqiR uro w *rt % *Rrnsr ^ t^ ^ t| i ^ r l^ R ^ ^ r r
vBQm ^ fy firyfffff ^ r % afrft ^tpt ^
•^t I, a r w T^t | »
 47 No-Confidence Motion JULY 24, 1974 No-Conft&ente Motion 24%

| f^Rr^r *n%» 1 qft m 1 # ?r^r^’BT3r^ ^ S t ’^ r r

qsrr «rnsr t 1 IP T f f% * n n : I fa »tk<t 'Sfw nft: w fmHw
*p t ^ vrw t t ?ft ® r ^ f t | , - f a a ^ r 27 ^R?r % i^ r *r r
< r« j *?t w r * n f t ^$?rHt ^ ^ « m r | , v r ^ f ^ ,sRRrr *iw «r^
% % N fa n r c * p t ?it cr^ T r, ftrsr
«fhc **P S T BT*TTTT J® opT; ^ T T T S ’ lTT fn^rsrr « f h : *r f w r shrt

%ftK f^RT <TT ^ ^>T ^ f^ T ^ T spt | , v ffa rf «TfT WFt T ^ P R ft | ,

SW T I ^ T H R t T? " W T T 'T^nT I TT«^ % T apt 'STRtft | tfal fl^ q *
f T O S t T f H ^ f t t ?t W 3Tef Wi *TFT 9ft ofT ^ FT ^ WT?^r I | ^¥T *Pt SRtTT ^ fa a %
*ft fr s r ^ rtf® ^fe?r f r o 2 7 T O % ? n F ^ r ^ 3 r 8 T 'P t t f w
w m fI *T <T5TCT ) sp^T ^TT I eft ^ fa^rr | f a w t w f t | % n trrsr
qT % * F W s ttft t , ^ ^ ssr «ft m^cfr t fa 33% s*r ^?r *r m far
T ^ t I , « ft 3 P T ft srrt I ^ STTTift 1 1 ? r k asrapFT T T t « s m w | , 3 R ^ s r ^ ft
^ trap 3TRT SFWT f I STTT snrR ^facT 79T 3T^t ^t W^rf fk>qT
q tft ’S t 5T *TT#, ^ STTW t 5=331 I I % nft ^t#, ^Tff
<TT W I t I STTC ^ T f R T »h fariRrct ?Ft «rrar J^rr spft t o ar^
q tsr^ i ^1 ^ a sftftn fc r &r tt fanRrnr ^rfl- w? w ^ ft | 1 ^
^ 3ft TT^r «R ^ $ H‘^'11 H W ijn ^ h r ^?*p f M h r r ^ r f T ^ rr^ rr ^ t
*rr$srr f fa ^ q?t$ »rfw ftft | ^ ^ ^ ^ % ?rw
«w-«Tr % w rr 3T5^ | , f W P T apTRT f I ^ T V t ?Rpt
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^•tt ’snf^r 1 ^nnr % *rtc: stpt sfk SZRFTT 3R7TT TBPTT I ^Sft
u *r 3t *r? nte f , t r a t * r n % sffa; ^ ft ^rf^r W t c T ^ T f t 5ft 5 T«ft
fPTl^ ?T5n r -? F r ^ ^ ^ F % 4, cfd % ^ ^ | 1 ?n^r ^ r % s r t t ^t |,
v m $t *rc*t |, MY *j<rt fk^ it arrwfr q?ft c T T ^ ^PRT §■, 'Sft ?RT5: ^ *m -
m sf t Tresf f t f t f r % t ^ t | fa <5T n3'6MI ^ i p ' t i ,
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35 t fa ^ sqfodfr* r e ^ rr ? ftT ^ Vt
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Sf ? F n f ^ , tw f^ R T K ?rh: wk f a t i n r n - x ft I , ^ r w t ?rnr ? r w ?r ^ t « rt
% STTPT m & f I ^ «TFf?TT f fa w f t f i r f r «n5 ®f?t «ts t w ^ m ^ t %crr
^ 5=f^r f V ^ ?TRT T T ^ ^ R t ^ F T T ?p^ ^ ^ t nw r ? n ^ ? n w t ^ m-
SfTtnT ? f ^ ^ f t ITT^TT I 1% «fV s i ^ l .^ r ts p f^ n -^ r r ^ fa w ^ r ^
^ ft fg n F r ^ ^ fc r 3;% ^rtc ?rrar s rf?rfw ^ t cTR?eft % ’Trrsr9?rfq'?r ?mp?ff
^ V^cTT I %fa»T ^FT # *rr % ^t w t #, ^ ft m w f ^
«n w rfft^ rT « T T fa ^ r^ T ^ r w r ^ t ?T5mr ^ft f a w r « r k s n r% «Pt
% «rr^ %, % 3 ^ % « n r «r?r q f t ^ R T ^ j p f t ff t T cR% ? R 5 % T O ? r
<n?r « P f ?rt ^ + i ^3 eft ? rra K JpafT ^ T?T T ^ t | , fa 3 t af^t j I

f « f t r SR # 5 r S R T T ^5f% f t R T R m W w v ^ w f t w « r f W ir

t f5 R T waft % gft W 3r man f

249 BRAVANA 2,4898 (SAKA) No-Confidence 250
M otion
^arw 'Srr^r 1 ^ft ^tnhrrCl" f v f K
nil i f f f sm art fa iwrim s rs t w fir, 5ft fwf^r «Ft w m <m 1 « r k f ^
5TRT fft W R $ I
vft t o h t v t ^ w i t o p f spTvsnft %
*r $?t zm fw n r ft^ n ti fw * 4 .4 ^ r f ^ f f
*r£ 1 1 *r -&t sffafr *r % f, ^ qfit? 5
^ % »fw iT ? m ^ T t .
tffiuft t fa h>*hiO ft '
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(wwsrro) zrr ^ fasr, ^ *r? ? 1 f»r ftnr $ $ ?JT^f % frw
^ *p^r | fv ^r^rft T?rt ifnfaTf^rr % %ftr*r ^ ^ r tos? i
»T fT T | I g P R K ^ ^ T ^ f v J f f s p t ffcTFT
^ O T S tfir e n T t , 5 fK 3 ? fft ^ rTFT
i fHT*ro?r^ «r fo ^Ft t f? f 5 p r ^ r | % fj? n ^ r % ^ r t
s r s r e f e «ft, $*rf«i^)i sfr i q n N i f w % ftnm vf ?r fsrnrvr %
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f? m *r ?r#r *rc?ft ^ t ^ r «ft | ^ yffr^firy m m 1 fkm ^
f*r r ft ^ n f^ f^ r fc T fe^rf tfT * f k mi w + tw q fv f^ r cPPrsfT ^ ?rfr «rr 1
«R5?ff % wm *r frcfr i f^rf^ zphrrfwf sfn srfw ot
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gfatrnt ?£t *r f I i sfa: ^ r % f ^ r ir «fg t cT?» V I W T T ^ f T |

afTRJJfr SFTTtr * [ * I I a fTTf^rf^ ^ t w^fT t f^r % m % ?n%

*ftwT 17, 20 m 25 srrar f t sraRfr 1 1 ^ ifTRi't ^ ^ w i^ tr f M N r

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vx *tNt £r *n% ^ft^t sfWf W SPT X^x- % f ^ , W*l ^ T

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Motion Cotton
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i9 7 i % srrc w ^ ft snmr f*rr THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
ft^^RTt tim v ^r ^ ^ (SHRI L N MXSHRA) Mr Deputy-
Speaker, Sir, first 0 1 all, I owe a
ft ^5mpm^r?f«rr i <rr^wftar| % word of apology to the House A3 you
# « ip iw w m *iw know, the question of railway strike
*x % w ft snrfWrw $** %, was discussed during the last session
both in tftia House and in the oth«r
tit Ji&tise I was looking Into the deb&fe
this ’motnihg arid f tbold calculate thtt
* 255 ^ ^Confidence Motion . JULY 24, 1974 No-Confidence Motion 256

the Lok Sabha discussed it lor 17i cause there were already many com­
hours and the Rajya Sabha discussed plications and we had already the
it for 6} hours, that is, for 24 hours problems arising out of the Pay Com­
the Parliament .discussed the same mission’s recommendations. It was
subject. Naturally, 1 cannot escape not possible for us to accept. This
repetition and it is just possible that was the situation when the strike took
1 might have to repeat the some of the place. And what happened during
old points that have been mentioned the strike? Thig strengthens my argu­
in the House. ment when I say that it was not a
trade union dispute Large scale vio­
There is a fundamental difference lence took place. Officers were beaten,
in thinking and m approach between up, workers were intimidated, fore?
the Opposition and oui selves. They were dropped, the dedicated workers
call it a labour strike, I d$ not call were thrown on the streets, their
it, a labour strike. It was not a trade children were beaten up and their
union dispute. I say, it was a political families were teriorised. In no trade
adventure planned by political adven­ union strike such things take place.
turists who wanted to cripple the We have known of many trad*. union
economy of this country and to para­ strikes Only yesterday Mr. Jyotirmoy
lyse this Government. According to Bosu was talking or the coalmen’^
their calculations, they thought that strike in Great Britain and the result
the industries would get closed, that that followed, i e.. the fall of Mr.
there would be no movement of food- Heath’s Government Here it was,®
grains, that there would be no move­ •much bigger struggle. Perhaps as I
ment of coal and that there would be was told this morning by my senior
closure of power houses All these officers, nowhere in the world labour
things were behind their move. There­ agitation had taken such a big dimen­
fore, we should not treat this problem sion. This kind of struggle was really
as a trade union problem. difficult for the Government to handle.
But I must compliment the administra­
tion, the State Governments, the
Earlier, we thought that it was a policemen and all my senior and junior
trade union problem. We set up a officers and the railwaymen who stood
Committee. I myself joined the Com­ firm to their post. Out of 17 lakh
mittee’s deliberations. Out of eight workers that we have on the railways
demands, six demands were conceded. —14 lakh permanent and three lakh
In the past, I had something to do casual—5J lakh workers did not go to
with the trade union working and work. This happened on the 8th. By
industrial relations. Any union which the 27th, 3 lakh people came and
wins six points out of eight points joined the work. Therefore, only two
will be happy enough and it would be and a half lakh workers out of 17
a great victory for them. But this lakh workers remained outside and
was not acceptable to them. Mr. did not come to join duty till the
George Fernandes thought that he strike was called off on the 27th.
must win all the eight points. Only
two points were left. As Mr. Chandra- I would like to narrate some of ttye
jit Yadav said, one was the question incidents that took place. This is
of bonus and the other wac the ques­ only to prove how these organisations
tion of parity of wages with the public have behaved themselves during this
sector. These two points were obvi­ period. It is very easy to throw mud
ously, with the present economic on Mr. A. P. Sharma or Mr. Stephen,
crisis, impossible to be met. It is not but I must say that their organisations
that we said, we were not going to stuck to work. They realised t£e
have any discussion. But there were gravity of the situation. The food-
difficulties. We said that these could grata werisas, the coal spscials and
not be implemented at that stage be­ other essential commodities were ketft
237 ^HAVANA S, IM (SAKA) ' No-Oonfltenc* 25a
jtfotion Motion
moVlnfe mticfi taauiae trf the cOOpefa- tbed, yard, statim superintendent's
tion that we got from these Unions. tifitee and the Aastt. Station Master’s
office etc. and pulled out the loyal
I may tell you what happened on staff and beat the dedicated staff in­
the 16th April. The strike had not discriminately.
taken place at that time. On the 16th
April, in Western Hailway, Bombay, On 10th May, 1974; On the Central
in Car Shed two vnotormen were Railway, between Banda and Jhansi
beaten up, tarred and strung up with section, a gangman while on duty
chappals. On Hth April, 1974, South was not dead___(Interruptions)
Eastern Hailway, in Kharagpur, the Shastriji, I will come to Jamalpur
District Mechanical Engineer (Power), also. Please do not worry.
Kharagpur Division, when out on Then on 13th May 1974, on the
inspection of the loco shed was ghe- Central Railway, the Asstt. Station
raoed and assaulted and he had to be Master (Suburban) Bombay V.T. was
on medical leave. On 22nd April, in stabbed while on duty.
the Western Railway, the Chief Elec­
trical Engineer went to inspect the On 15th May 1974, on the Central
Car Shed, Bombay. As he walked in, Railway, at Agra, one Movement
he was surrounded and pushed and he Transportation Inspector was assaulted
fell down; suffering from such an at about 23.90 hours, with sticks and
assault, he registered a police case. fists leading to fracture of his right
On 25th April, in the Eastern Hailway, arm.
the District Mechanical Engineer,
On 19th May 1974, on the Southern
Danapur Division, while on inspection
Railway, a tinker at Avadi, sustained
of the Carriage and Wagon Depot and
burns on his face, chest and knee-
sidelines at Kiul was beaten up by a
joint due to miscreants pouring kero­
Utter and two others. On 3rd May, in
Madras, a procession of the Southern sene oil and setting his clothes on fire.
Railway Mazdoor Union, affiliated to This is how they have behaved. I
AIRF, entered the office of the Metro­ will ask these people to tell you whe­
politan Transport Project and man­ ther it is permissible under the trade
handled some of the officers and staff union law. Is it a trade union dis­
and under threat of assault forced pute? Some of the workers... .(In­
some officers to join the procession. terruptions) I will later on come to
Then again on 4th May, 1974, on sabotage cases. I am only trying to
the Central Railway a loco foreman prove that it was not a trade union
in (VT) was assaulted and had to be dispute. It was an illegal strike. It
removed to hospital. is a mild expression to call it only an
illegal strike. It is much more than
Then, again on the 5th May, on the that—a conspiracy or whatever you
Eastern Railway, a driver of Sealdah call it, but it wag never a Isihour dis­
Division, while working a train sus­ pute and to meet that, we had to take
tained serious injuries to his nose and very firm and severe measures and I
eyes due to stones throwing. will say that if such a situation again
arises, we will have to act stronger
7th May, 1974: Eastern Railway- still.... (Interruptions).
Two electrical engineers were assault­
ed at Jameipur Workshops. They The strikers and their followers did
Suffered minor injuries. not stop with violence— (Interrup­
tions). They attacked willing workers
9th May, 1974; On the Eastern Rail­ and resorted to extensive sabotage,
way*. «t tflaghulsarai, m large mob without the least concern for the
went in-batche* to important locations safety of the traveling public. There
life* 40ee>#bed%: diewl-shed, electrical were 93 cases of sabotage on the
1125 LS—9
259 Ne-Cortildenee Motion JXJMT 1M4 No-Confidence Motion 360

railways and many other attempted So, we cannot compromise on thoae

ones. That is why they di&jiot #et points at all.
the support of the public. 1 again
tell my trade union friends that be­ They oaid that lakhs of workers
cause of these activities you lost the have been arrested. X am coming to
public support If you had conducted the figure. I want to tell you how
the strike on trade union lines, you many railway workers have been
would not have lost the public oupport released also. The total arrests were
19,883 The numbers who w en
Then, Sir, I come to the question of released, were 10,206 upto the 17th of
victimisation. Shri Xndrajit Gupta was July That is to say 678 people are in
very very vociferous about victimisa­ prison today, and, not more than 400
tion He was telling that there were to 500 persons under MISA are in
large-scale victimisations Before X prison Number of staff who have
come to that, he said that there Were been taken back to work is 15,000
a large number of evictions The against 19,000 The number of rail­
actual number of staff who have been way staff convicted is 1,005. In
evicted from their quarters is only 34 lespect of number of rail­
and of them 32 were employees who way employees who have been termi­
have been removed from service for nated, their number ia 16,740. The
various offences but they were given number out of this which has been
the quarters and they came back reinstated is 4,923 Regarding the
number of casual labour—don't con­
Then, with regard to disconnection fuse this with the regular workers,—
of electricity and water supply, no the casual labour who are discharged
disconnection has taken place and if is 18,500 aproximately. Those who
this is the infoi mation that Shri have been taken back subsequently
Jyotirmoy Bosu has received from comes to about 7,000. The number of
somebody, it is not correct No dis­ staff who will have break in service
connection has taken place will come to 25 lakhs. Break in
service does not mean losing the job
Then, about the question of break Thev will get the other benefits etc
in service, I said 'No work, no pay* aoart from break in service. They
The only thing I said in Calcutta a& will not lose their jobs, as T have
also in Delhi was this that the rail- alreadv pointed out Their nunjber is
waymen are like members of my 2 5 lakhs
family and what I did say was that if
they have not worked and if they The other day I was aftked about the
were absent, they could not get the loss to the railways. In terms of revenue
salary There will be break in service. loss to the railways In terms of reve­
This cannot be helped On these nue loss to railways thi would come
points there cannot be any question to Rs 60 crores But the loss to the
of compromise at all The opposit'or nation would be in the neighbourhood
only creates confusion and they tak< of Rs 600 crores. It means ten times
the time of the House unnecessarily loss to the nation at large. So, Z said,
Those of the people who have not this would be loss to the nation to
don? their work will not *#t the salary the tune of about Rs. 600 crores.
for the period of their absence Let There is no question of victimisa­
me make it clear For that absence tion at all. Except those who have
they will not get salarv and that will been convicted all others will he taken
be treated a* break In service On back and they have been taken beck.
this po^nt wp will not comwcrmise. We When they say large-scale victimisa­
do not want to hide anythin?: theHaw tion I would submit, there have been
is v<*tv clear If thev want they cas no victimisation at all; this Is only the
go to the Library and see for them* sort of propaganda which they are
qelve» what hreak in servire means carrying on and I wm any wan-
2*1 No~Cmfidence SRAVANA 2, 18W (SAKA> No-Confidence afe
Motion $ Motion
bey of quotations of their own leaders So far as we «re concerned, as 1
in this regard. have already stated, out of so many
demands six demands have been
conceded. The Prime Minister was
I must pay my tributes to the dedi­ gracious enough to order the release
cated workers who have stood by us
of all the Vade union leaders uncondi­
in difficult times. In reopect of them
tionally. All theae trade union leaders
we have done the following. We have were released unconditionally without
given them advance increments. The putting in any condition.
number comes to 94,551.

Now, I would say something about

But, there were 2 lakhs of workers of what Mr. George is doing. Shri
who had been given advance incre­ Indrajit Gupta might not be knowing
ments. We have also given cash that. I would like to read the text
award to the extent of Rs. 30 lakhs. of his speeches that he made. This
We have given employment to the is what Mr. George is doing. He was
wards of the dedicated workers. About addressing a rally at Bombay on 30th
2,000 people have been given employ, May. 1974. He asked them to be
ment. As regards reinstatement, their prepared for another struggle. This
number i* 4,902. It is a continuous is number one. Mr. Fernandes told
process. This will go on. Those who the press men at Bombay the same
stood by us would get due apprecia­ day that the railway strike was called
tion at the hands of the Government to give a respite to the striking people
and the Railway Administration will for launching another struggle.
ever remain grateful to those who
have stood by us in difficult times.
Subsequently, addressing the work­
ers at the Kanchrapara Railway work­
About the casual labour, I do not shop on June 5, 1074, Mr. George
want to say in detail. If the hon. Fernandes advised the railway men
Members want, they may refer about to resort to local agitations under
them in the Library. There was a which the employees in the workshops
question regarding police excess. I would observe oen-down and tool
would like them to give a specific down strikes 11? their colleagues were
instance where there had been police victimised On June 17. at Poona, he
excesses. Our reports say that there called uoon the railwavmen to be
has been no police excess. I would prepared for another «how-down with
like them to giv^ a specific instance Government within six months and
of police excess if there is any and I warned the Government that norrna’ cy
would look into it I have no such could not be restored completely...
information (Interruptions) (Interruptions) .

What fa the situation to-day? The

situation to-day is that there is SHRI S M BANERXBB (Kanpur):
normal functioning of the railways Mr. Deoutv-Soeaker, Sir, I now rise
going on. But, the trade union leaders on a point of order.
are going round to create problems:
they are moving about and addressing
meetings and trying to rouse the MR. DEPOTY-SPEAJDER; What is
feelings of the workers. I would your point of order?
f»w»*al to the leaders not to exploit
them anv more because it would be SHRI S. M. BANER.THE: He is
the railway workers themselves Who quoting here—not from the statement*
would suffer; they should see the which Shri Fernandes made, tfnter-
reason, ruptkmt).
2*3 ' No-Confid*nce Moffon #ULY 2*, WWffo-Co»/!& »«* Motion 364

SmU O, K. PANDA (Bhaujanagar): speech or quotation; in fact, we should

Why don’t you have patience? (Inter­ have not only that but the full text
ruptions) . of the speech should be made avail­
able to us.
MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER; Order,
please. 1 am hereto hecqr his point of SHRI C. M. STEPHEN: Under what
order Why don’t you allow me even rule?
to hear him? SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Mr. Fero-
anades Is not here to defend himself.
SHRI S. M. BANERJEE; Let me
know whether the hon. Minister has MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER; He has
quoted it from the press statement made his point already.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: What is SHRI SEZHIYAN: My point is that

your point of order? not only the source should be dis­
closed but the entire speech should be
SHRI S. M. BANERJEE; My point made available to us because it is quite
of order is this. Is the Intelligence possible that he may be quoting him
report ’.made available only to the out of context.
Minister and not to the Members? SHRI PILOO MODX; There is one
(Interruptions) Kindly hear me. If more point, Sir. He should also tell
he really thinks that he can quote. I us when and where he fabricated it.
have also got a secret report from
which I can also quote. (Interrup­ (wfoT) :
tions).

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Mr.
Banerjee, you are now making a ^frsr w ...
speech. This is not a point of order.
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Is he
SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: That re­ speaking on the same point of order
port should also go on record.
or is he xaising another one?
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER. What is
hv, point of order? SHRI MADHU LIMAYE; I am
raising a point of order under rule
SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: My point 368.
of order is this. Quotations from books
and quotations from various reports MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Let him
including press reports can be given, kindly sit down. If it relates to the
but m this case, the hon. Minister is point of order already raided by Shri
quoting something which he knows or Banerjee, I am prepared to hear him
Mr. Bery knows but nobody else. If before I give my ruling. But if It is
he k quoting it, let him lay it on the a different point of order, I cannot
Table of the House, and we shall hear him at this stage.
verify it if necessary from Shri George
Fernandes who is outside the House.
Kindly give your ruling on this Other­
wise, I have got a secret report from spft Sara qr$x w ft $
which also 1 can mid out.
fr n m r fa m t u w t f f % star
SHRI SEZHIYAN (Kumbakonan): 1 ^fVrT
The hon. Minister is quoting from the iPTC «nfo {
speech of a person who is not a
3 6 8 * ? 33 ftfrx r f fr r y y y
Member of this House. The House to
entitled to know the source of the f l OTT nJTCt ftwro Vt i
2&S No-Confidence 8RAVANA 2, 169$ XSAKA) - N^Cmfidime 366
Motion . Motion
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I have SHRr MADHU LIMAYE: If he is
seen it. quoting from a newspaper, we have
nothing to say.
SHRI MADHU LIMAYE; The rule
says; MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I said
this is the impression I had that the
'‘If a Minister quotes in the House Minister was not quoting from any
a despatch or other State paper State paper. However, nothing pre­
which has not been presented to the vents him from saying whether he is
House, he shall lay the relevant quoting from a State paper or not
paper on the Table;”. It is up to him.
SHRI C. M. STEPHEN: Let him SHRI L. N. M1SHRA: I will say
read the proviso also. The proviso like this (Interruptions). I am not
says: quoting from any intelligence re­
port. This much I can say; more
“Provided further that where a than that, I cannot say (Interrup­
Minister gives in his own words... tions).

SHRI MADHU LIMAYE; Let him MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I am

not teach the Minister. Let me for­ only concerned with this limited
mulate my point of order... point that if a Minister quotes from
a State paper, he has to lay that
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Let us paper on the Table of the House. I
understand this very clearly that can understand it if he says that
when a point of order is raised, it it is against the public interest to do
is the duty of the Chair to hear and so. but I do not think he made that
to give a ruling on it. So, let hon. point.
Members allow me to hear him fully
before I give my ruling. SHRI C. M. STEPHEN: With your
permission I would quote the se­
cond proviso:
<ri f s m :
“Provided further that where a
m *rnr fofor eT Minister gives in his own words a
^ ? w zm t- summary or gist of such despatch
to t vr fotft f m ? *r m or State paper, it shall not be ne­
cessary to lay the relevant papers
% ?v m fa r# | on the Table.” (Interruptions).
wt arr* ^ itht t
^ ^ to i | MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Do not
get excited. Why don’t you listen
^ % W f^Tt TO I to me? This proviso docs not arise
in view of the fact that the Minister
AN HON. MEMBER: You should said very clearly that he was not
listen to us also. quoting from any State paper. He has
said that very clearly. Now mem­
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: There bers of this House arc making refe­
is no need for it. The point is very rences to so many other things...
clear. I do not think the Minister
ever said that he was quoting from SHRI A. P. SHARMA (Buxar). Shri
a State paper. He never said that. Banerjec has said certain things
which should be expunged.
SHRI MADHU LIMAYE: Where-
from is he quoting? SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: I want to
say that Shri Sharma was conspiring
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER; It is Up against the Railway Minister. He ia
to him now to say. always doing it.
207 MeMon JUhf M, l*titie*Conte#** Motto* »&

SHRI A. P. SHARMA: Nonsense. i |Mimser is trying to convey is noth-

|*|ing objectionable. The right to strike
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Why ,|is a legitimate activity. After all,
don't you allow me even to give a what is he stretching before the
ruling on this point of order? In this House? He has only asked the wor­
House, members come forward; either kers to be ready for this. Is there
they quote from newspapers or they anything exceptionable about it. Is
mention things that have come to their there anyhing objectionable about it?
knowledge. It is up to other members It is a legitimate activity. I do not
to repudiate them and say that it is think he really understands the im­
not correct. These is no point of ordei port of his statement.
in this. Please go on.
AN HON. MEMBER: But he should So would you kindly make obser­
indicate the source. vations on these two points. First,
whether a State paper is limited to
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I think any intelligence report or there are
it is a well-established practice that other papers in that category. The
if members do not reveal the source Minister must state categorically whe-
of their information, nobody can com­ her it is from a State paper or not
pel them to reveal the source. Secondly, if he has produced the
statement fron a newspaper, he has
SHRI SEZHIYAN: Let him say that to refer to the newspaper so that we
he is not willing to give the source. are m a position to Judge whether it
SHRI K MANOHARAN (Madras is the right kind of statement or not.
North): It is between the Minister SHRI S. M. BANERJEE. This is
a very serious matter. In future, this
and the members.
is going to decide as to what is go­
SHRI PILOO MODY: He is not a ing to be the procedure because a
member; he is a Minister. member challenges
SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA
(Begusarai): In the first place, you SHRI C M. STEPHEN’ Aie we on
should be pleased to consider whether the same point of order? Are they
it is only an intelligence report which going to challenge your iultn« which
constitutes a State paper or there has been given’
are other papers which may be in­
cluded under the head ‘State paper' MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER Tnis is
The hon. Minister has said that it not the way to proceed
Is not from an intelligence report
We agree with him; we grant that SHRI S M. BANERJEE. Do nol
to that extent it is not a State paper bother about Shri Stephen
But that is not u limited thing to
which a State paper can be consider­ MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER* I an?
ed because there are other papers just clarifying a doubt in the mind
which can be included under the head of Shri Stephen.
‘State paper* He has not made it
clear. The Minister has said it u> not a
State paper.
Secondly, if the hon# Minister 1* SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA *
quoting even from a newspaper, he No; he has only said it is not an in­
has to give the reference so that we telligence report.
are able to put it in proper perspec­
tive and understand the full import
of the statement he te making. Other­ MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I hav<<
wise, how are you going to do justice heard him dearly saying it. He may
to the person? I may submit at the repeat it, if you have any doubt about
same time that whatever the hon it.
itf Ifo-CfewUrtM MAVAKA i, m » (&AKA1 So^on/imet 170
Motion Motion
SHRI L, N„ MISHRA: It Is dOR- SHRI PILOO MODY: We are with­
cult to say what u a State paper.' drawing it Let us carry oil
I have many sources to know the
facts—newspapers and other sources. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: It is not
X only said I am not quoting from an a State paper. So, that question does
intelligence report. not arise. The Minister says that he
MR. BBFXJTY-SPKAKER: X had is not bound to reveal the source. If
given my ruling earlier that if it is the point is being withdrawn, the
not a State paper, the question of question does not arise.
laying it on the Table does not arise.
I had also said that if members re­ SHRI L. N. MISHRA:
fer to certain things that have come
to their knowledge, those things are “George Fernandes told a press
before the House and other members conference at Ahmedabad on 19th
can repudiate them. I have also June that the railwayman would
said that members cannot be com­ prevent return to normalcy through
pelled and are not bound to reveal localised actions.
the sources of their information.
If they make a statement with Addressing meeting of railway-
all responsibility, they are respon­ men at Jodhpur on 8th July George
sible for it and other members can Fernandes incited the workers by
repudiate it and it is for the House stating that 90 per cent of the wage
to come to a decision. But Mr. Mis- earners would be forced to miss a
hra has raised rather a fine point. meal everyday because of the curbs
What is a State paper. 1 do not imposed by the Additional Emolu­
think we can define it here in a huff. ments Ordinance. George Fernandes
The minister has said it is not a State exhorted the railway workers to
paper. I think you also said it is oppose the Ordinance jointly with
not from any newspaper? employees in other sectors of in­
dustries.
SHRI L. N. MISHRA: Most of it
is based on newspaper reports. But Addressing a meeting at Abu Road
he has also addressed press con­ on 9th July, George Fernandes ap­
ferences, public meetings, etc. These pealed to the employees, the youth
are the reports from which 1 am and the masses to unite and launch,
quoting, not intelligence reports concentrated efforts to dislodge the
present government which has fail­
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: When ed to solve their problems.
you address public meetings either
the newspapers take that up and re­ On 13th July at Calcutta, George
port it or even members of the Fernandes called upon the railway-
audience can tell a person that such men to start preparation for launch­
and such a thing has been said. ing a massive movement if their de­
SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: He is mands were not conceded.
trying to accuse a person who is not
present in the House. In future, I On 10th July, George Fernandes,
may quote serious charges and I addressing a meeting •at Palanpur,
hope you will not expunge it. appealed to employees to join hands
with the youth in order to counter
MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I think the anti-people measures being
no other person has been done so taken by the Government and quot­
much honour in this country. If the ed the example of the recent agita­
Minister has spent a lot of time on this tion launched by the students and
gentleman, I think it is an honour to youths of Gujarat . . . .
him, Why are you objecting to that?
Let me finish this point of order, be­ At Mugalsarai Station, Shri
cause Shri Mishra has raised a point George Fernandes exhorted the rail-
 tjt No.CotfOtne* Motion JU LV ** W i M & *.

way workers to go on strike. lie for -mpvemftnt of eoal ajpinst thtit

stated that it was impossible to geU approved programmes 4» done by the
the demands fulfilled without go­ Joint Director, Coal, in the case of
ing cm strike* He also stated that' Bengal-Bihar coalfields and by other
the Government cannot suppress the sub-allotment offices in respect of out­
strike with force. He also stated lying fields, observing the priority laid
that if any worker would not parti­ down by the State Governments. So,
cipate in the strike, he would be < the railways do not allot wagons on
finished before the fresh strike be­ its own, as I have said earlier. I am
gins.” \ really surprised wherefrom Mr. Jyo**
tirmoy Bosu got this baseless informa,
tion. I refute and deny the allega­
tion. (Interruptions) .

I will deal with one more point be­

fore I resume my seat Shri Jyotirmoy
Bosu said that there is one golmal in SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I de­
the distribution and allotment of coal mand a probe into that. Why is he
wagons. Here I may state that afraid of facing a Commission of In­
the railway do not allot wagons to quiry? I have heard a part of what
anybody directly. In order to keep,, he said. It is far from convincing.
the records straight, I will read out'*1 Let there be a Commission under the
the procedure for the allotment of\ Commissions of Inquiry Act to find
wagons for coal. The distribution of/ out Mr. L. N. Mishra’s conduct start­
coal to different consumers is based on ing from the Kosi project and Bharat
a programme sponsored by the dif­ Sewak Samaj till today. This allot­
ferent Ministries of the Central Gov­ ment of wagons has become a nauseat­
ernment, State Governments and f ing thing. Everybody knows that Mr.
other authorised agencies. The rail­ L. N. Mishra goes round the country
ways allot wagons in accordancc withn to collect money.
these sponsored programmes received
by them. For instance, the coal Con­
troller programmes for the movement
of coal to different steel plants as also SHRI L. N. MISHRA: I have not
for the hard coke. The Linkage yet finished.
Committee consisting of representa­
tives of the Ministries of Mines, Rail­
ways, Irrigation and Power and In­
dustrial Development make out pro­
grammes for movement of coal from In the case of Programme Traffic,
different coalfields to power houses such as, foodgrains, fertilisers, cement,
and industries. Movement of steam raw materials to and finished pro­
coal to industries and of soft coke etc. ducts from steel plants and petroleum
are sponsored by the State Govern­ products, etc., advance monthly or
ments and other bodies authorised for quarterly programmes are drawn hy
issuing such sanctions. State Govern­ the user Ministries or by the Food
ments also sponsor the rake pro­ Corporation of India or State Govern­
gramme for the movement of brick- ments or the Steel Plants, etc.. as the
burning coal to different areas in the case may be, in conjunction with the
States and determine the priority to Railways. Day-to-day supply of wagon
be observed in the allotment of these is done by the Zonal Railways accord­
rakes. ing to these approved programmes.
In view of the essentiality of this
traffic in the overall public interest, It
is accorded a higher priority in tAove-
The actual daily allotment of wagons ments.
 SRAVANA 2, 1898 (SAKA) No-Confidence X }A
Motion Motion
Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu again raised employees or a war between the
some point. I do not know what to Government and the railway em­
say. During the last two to three ployees.
years, Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu has been
talking a lot of things. I have not
come to public life by accident. I
I strongly condemn the attitude of
have come to public life as a result the mass media, AIR, television,
of my family traditions and historical
films, newspapers and other mass
reasons. I challenge Mr. Jyotirmoy
media which were used against the
Bosu that if it is proved that I have
labour, against the railway workers.
added anything to my assets, to what
I want to know from them who own
I got from my father in the year 1951 all these mass media—AIR, television
—I am prepared for any probe—I am
and other things. Arc they the
prepared to retire from public life. private property of Shri L. N. Mishra
This kind of slanderous campaign must
or Shri I. K. Gujral? They are owned
end. If anything is proved, I am pre­
by the country. I am sure all the mem­
pared to give up my public life.
bers would have heard the All India
SHKI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: He must Radio at the time of railway strike.
face an inquiry under the Commis­ For everything it was the railway
sions of Inquiry Act. employees who were blamed. If you
did 11l0t get your newspapers, it was
SKRI H. N. MUKKRJKE (Calcutta- because of railwaymen; if there was
North-E<ist): Let Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu price rise in milk it was because of
say it outside .so that the mutter can railway employees. Not even at the
be thrashed out. Let him not say only t/me of Chinese aggression or Pakis­
in the House. (Interruptions). tani invasion did we hear the Radio
speaking like this against foreign
SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I hav? invaders. It was so much used
said it umpteen number of times. against the railway employees. It is
15.50 hrs. a shame on democracy. I want to
know whether this should continue
IShut Ishaquk Samuuali hi the hereafter. Opposition also should
Chair ] have a say in running the All India
Radio and the Television—DAVp or
SHRI G. VISWANATI IAN (Wandi- they should be made independent
wash): Mr. Chairman, Sir, the recent public corporations like the BBC. I
railway strike—how it was betrayed demand from the Government that
by one of the constituents and how they should keep up their promise.
it was broken with brutal force iby They had assured this House that
the Government—is going to be a blot there would he no victimisation. But
in the history o£ the labour move­ there are thousands of workers who
ment of this country. Government is have been dismissed, and lakhs of
supposed to be a model employer. workers are suffering from break in
But now Government has come to service. Government have to keep
share vindictiveness a’nd victimisa­ up its promise and sec that all those
tion which is going to tell upon the who have been dismissed are rein­
labour efficiency in the long run. stated and in respect of those who
More than 20,000 employees have suffer from break in service, the break
been dismissed. According to the in service is condoned—there should
Minister’s own statement, six lakh be continuity of service; they should
employees are suffering from break not suffer from break in service.
in service a’nd thousands of cases are
pending before the court against the
employees. I want to know from the Now I will take up another issue
Government whether it is a dispute where our Prime Minister has gene­
because the Government and the rously surrendered a part of our
i 75 No^ovfidenc* Motion JULY fcl, 1074 ftc^Cenfidmwe Motion 276

territory. Kachchativu, to the Gov*

eminent of Sri Lanka. Yesterday “I remember coming across this
Mr. Swaran Singh, Minister of Ex­ problem when I was Assistant
ternal Affairs, made a statement and Legal Draftsman. I had to deal
In that statement he hag said: with the file lor the purpose of
verifying some of the boundaries
of the northern districts. In the
“Exhaustive research of historical process of revising the draft Proc­
and other records was made by our lamation issued probably in the
experts on Kachchativu and every time of Queen Victoria, indeed the
available piece of evidence collected islands of Kachchativu is excluded
from various record offices in India, from the Northern Districts as it
such as in Tamil Nadu, Goa and belonged to the Raja of Ramnad.”
Bombay as well as abroad in British
and Dutch archives.” Sir, this is the statement of a former
Secretary of Sri Lanka Cabinet....
I want to know from the Government
wihat were the records that were
consulted and what was the eudencc
that was produced. A number of ^ $ sm %^ VT Ti> $ |
documents have been given to the
Government of India by the Govern­ SHRI G. VISWA'NATHAN: This is
ment of Tamil Nadu and nothing has the statement made by a former
come out of this. At least for 150 Secretary of Ceylon and ultimately
years we have got the records. The what did happen?
island was owned by the Raja of SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN
Kamnad it was a part of Ramanatha- (Badagara). You are not from Ram­
puram's zamin. There are records nad, you arc fro-m North Arcot.
available,. I have here a copy of
some of tihose lease deeds registered SHRI G. VISWANATHAN: Kach­
in Ramanathapuram Sub-Registrar’s chativu is of strategic importance. It
office. From 1824 onwards we have has oil potential as also rich in firihes.
got the records. In 1882 the East They say, ‘It is a barren is]and' II
India Company entered into an agree­ it is a barren island, why should
ment with the Raja of Ramnad under Mrs Sirimavo Bandaranaike be
Isthimirar Sanad. We have a record interested in it? Why are they insist­
of that Again there is a lease deed ing on that small island? We are
of 1880; there is also a lease dee<j of worried about Diego Garcia,
1885. I have a copy here. Till 1949, thousands of miles away from the
till the abolition of zamindari, there Indian territory but we are not
were lease deeds between private worried about this small island. When
citizens and the Raja of Ramnad. It we speak of it, the Prime Minister is
proves absolutely that we lhad our said to have remarked in the AICC
own sovereignty and suzerainty over meeting that it is a little rock. I am
the island. But what is the claim of reminded of those days when Pandit
Sri Lanka? Let the Minister tell the Nehru called about our nofJhero
House. Sri Lanka has no claim on boundary as a place where not a
it. They had published a map in blade of grass grew. I woul<j like to
1880, authorised by the Government remind the Prime Minister that after
of Ceylon. Kachchativu is not a this historic statement of the Prime
part of it. All the small islands are Minister, Pandit Nehru never re­
mentioned in it including the Delft gained the confidence of this country.
island which is the closest to Kach- This is going to happen to the Prime
hativu but Kachchativu is not a part Minister when she says that this is
of that map. Not only that, a former only a little rock and there is noth­
Secretary of the Cabinet of Ceylon, ing to worry about the territories of
Mr. B. P. Pieris says: our country. If you are going to caU
2ft NchCfmfidmm tittVAN A a im (9A&A) No-Cvnfidenct 27S
Motion Motion
it a barren island or uninhabited, ressmen have changed the very defi­
what will happen to a number of in­ nition of socialism. What is this kind
lands in the Andamans and Nicobar of socialism which is available in this
which ara very close to Indonesia? country? You can call it ‘ bastard
Are you gonig to surrender them to socialism’. Dr. Mihas said:
Indonesia along with Shri K. R.
Ganesh? I would like to know from “Indian socialism in practical
the Government.. terms turned out to be a pernicious
programme for the distribution of
SHRI PILOO MODY: I say, that public largesse to the not so poor.”
may be a good deal!
This is the sort of socialism which
SHRI G. VISWANATHAN; Neither we are having in this country. This
the State Government was consulted country is one of the most mis­
nor was the Parliament taken into managed economies of the world.
confidence before surrendering this With the abject poverty, increasing
island. I, therefore, appeal to the unemployment, stagnation in produc­
House to reject this agreement bet­ tion, flourishing black money,
ween the Government of India and galloping inflation, ever-increasing
the Government of Shri Lank prices and more and more printing
of currency, this Government has led
Sir, the country is confronted this country to economic decay, dis­
with a number of burning problems, order and chaos. This wonderful
the topmost of which is the problem congress government has led the
of unemployment. It is increasing country to this sort of economic
by leaps and bounds and what has chaos, disorder and decay. Every­
the Government done about it? thing is increasing except the value
During the period I960—1971 unem­ of the rupee which alone is going
ployment increased in this country down day by day and 1 am told now
by 20 per cent. But what has it stands at the rate of 29 naya paise.
happened after 2-3 years? Now, it is Who is the sufferer ultimately
going up by 42.85 per cent. According because of all these things?
to Mr. B. K. Nehru, every 24 hours,
6000 people are added to the list of
unemployed. I will give you some 16 hrs.
statistics to show how this problem
is growing in our country. The New It is always the poor and the fixed
Delhi Bank of Baroda advertised income group who suffer; others
for 2,000 posts and there were somehow always escape. This is
1.25.000 applicants. In Haryana, the what happens. A rampant inflation
State Electricity Board which is m a stagnant economy is the most
famous—Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu talked regressive form of taxation that I
about it—advertised for 3,000 posts can think of. That is what the
and the applications received were economists are telling us also. What
60,000. In the Punjab, a bank efforts have been taken to relieve
advertised for 5 posts and there were the sufferings of the poor whom
4.000 applicants and last but not the Gandhiji used to call the Daridra-
least, in West Bengal, the State Gov­ narayanas? When there was the
ernment advertised for 17 rural posts United Congress the Prime Minister
and there were a lakh applications. told us that there were road blocks
This is how the problem of unem­ like Nijalingappa, Kamaraj, Atulya
ployment i« growing in this country Ghosh. S. K. Patil, Sanjiva Reddy
and the Goverwnesnt has not done and others; all those have been re­
anything to solve this problem. moved. Such road blocks were
removed in 1969. Then she told the
We are supposed to liv* in a nation that she did not have a
Socialist State ruled by a socialist majority in Parliament In 1971
Government. Very strangely, Cong­ after the aaribi hatao programme
279 *^°-Cpwjfafence Motion 4ULY $4, 1974r *Horffonfidenc* Motion Z80 •

the massive mandadte came to her; After Wanchoo Committee reports

she was given absolute majority in all of us expected that some drastic
parliament. Then she said we have action would toe taken to unearth
no majority, we want majority in black money but no action has been
the States and during the 1972 elec­ taken, nothing has been d'>ne in this
tions almost in all the States except regard. Government brings stringent
one or two congress was returned to lawb; we pass stringent laws; but
power in absolute majority. Sfiie has What happens after that? Nothing
won political victories and military is implemented. Take for example
victories but she has been badly the case of the Adulteration laws.
defeated on the economic front. In Now the Planning Minister comes
1974 they started consulting the forward andsays ‘Inflation will be
economists, about the evil effects of curbed in 6 months’.Thisis what
inflation. I want to know this from Mr. D. P. Dhar has said. Already
the Prime Minister. She need not go one month is over. Now, within the
outside. There is Prof. V. K. R. V. lemaining 5 months.what are you
Rao who is sitting here; she could going to do about it? Now they say,
have consulted him; he could have we have come up with these ordi­
suggested a few measures to tackle nances; this will solve the problem.
the evil effects of inflation But he You have brought one ordinance to
has not been consulted. amend another ordinance, I say this
js sheer non-sense; o n the eve of the
SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA. Pui Lament session they are bringing
Now she has visited his Institute oi out ordinances which action is, to
Social and Economic Change. say the least, undemocratic and de­
serves universal condemnation.
SHRI G. VISWANATHAN: What
is the net result now? Even alter An Ordinance on wage freeze was
four year plans, what has happen­ piomulgatcd which was misconceived.
ed? Even now nearly 60 per cent of Of com so it was diametrically oppos­
the population of the country live ed to the intei ests of the working
below the poverty linc and the perj class and the poor people The Gov­
capita income has gone down yearl ernment ha* no right to freeze the
after year. This is the present posi­ wages sr long <ts they cannot free/e
tion. This was Rs. 348 m 1970-71 the pi ices If you go on producing
and this came down to Rs. 346 in oidinanccs, it is only a fiscal squeeze
1 U 7 1 -7 2 and Rs> in 1 9 7 2 -7 'J Jloney applied m the wrong direction and
supply is increasing month by month. will cause excess suffering to the
Government only resorts to printing people who are already afleeted by
money in Nasik printing press with the inflation and the rising prices.
the imported paper According to There is another ordinance on divi­
the Reserve Bank bulletin, the dend No doubt this is a stcp in the
present increase is on the top of the right direction But, it is not going
rise of Rs 424 crores during April to solve tihe problems. It will apply
1974 and this has pushed the onlx to 200 fiims in this country. It
total monev supply with the Gov­ is not going to touch even the fringe
ernment to'Rs. 11,294 crores and m of the problem. There is another
May 1974 the money supply witlh the ordinance on compulsory deposits. It
Government increased by Rs. 112 also covers only those who are al­
crores. This is being done in April ready paying income-tax and whose
to May. Due to mostly unproductive income and expenditure are accoun­
expenditure Government is resorting table. But, what about those whose
to deficit financing And this is to income and expenditure which is
the tune of Rs 700 to 850 crores not accountable? What have you
during the last three years and this in that direction? How is the money
is particularly added to the infl** going to be used even if the monies
tiQBarv trend in the country. are deposited with the banks? How is
281 Ifo^Confidenctr 8RAVANA 2, 1806 (SAKA) No-Confidence *82
Motion " Motion
the Finance Minister going to justify SHRI K. MANOHARAN (Madras
the anti-inflationary measures? North): Can you tell me, Mr. Cliatr-
There is an ambiguity about this man, at what O’ clock I shall be cal­
ordinance. (Interruptions)... If Mr led.
Salve is going to sit in the Treasury >
Benches and if he is going to give a MR. CHAIRMAN: I shall call you
reply, I shall accept it. Government after 5 O’ clock.
is afraid to take drastic measures
against the vested interests—4ax-eva- SHRI K. MANOHARAN: After five
ders» hoarders and black-marketeers. it would be an empty House.
Government is willing to strike but
MR CHAIRMAN: After the Finance
afraid to wound. Unless compre­
Minister’s intervention I can call you.
hensive steps are taken to cut down'
After Shri Bhagat, Shii Piloo Mody
the deficit financing whidh is going
on year by year and unearth the will speak.
black money and to increase the Now, let him carry on.
production, this country cannot be
saved. The Government has for­ SHRI H. K. L. BHAGAT: My hon.
gotten for many years the agricultural friend from the DMK was just now
sector and now they feel the im­ talking about Kachchathivu, the
portance of this. At leaBt now 11 island. It appears to me that the
hope they give to top priority to^ DMK thinks that probably they can
agriculture and increase the agricul­ desperately cling to this issue and
tural production so that we need not survive m Tamil Nadu The Jan
go to country after country with a Sangh at one time thought that they
begging bowl to get from milk could survive by clinging on to Kutch,
powder to wheat. but they failed. The DMK is also
bound to fail because the people of
Now, some of the economists led India and the people of Tamil Nadu
by Prof Rao have submitted pro­ iire mature enough to see that it is in
posals to contain inf!ation or to curh the interests of India, a big and great
inflation. There is another set of country, to keep her neighbours, par-
economists led by Shri Vakil who ticxilarly her small neighbours, satis­
have given a formula called 'Semi- fied Therefore, the people of India
hnrnhk/', I do not know whv Gov­ nnd the people of Tamil Nadu also
ernment has not considered all these wclcome this agreement, and I am
proposals seriously. They all sme they will not be rarried away
wanted partial demonetisation. 1 hv the narrow approach of the DMK
think tbis was what Prof. Vakil and in this connection.
other economists have suggested. In
this country, from food-grains to I was really surprised when I heard
baby food, steel, cement, sugnr and my hon friend Mt. ViswanaUum quot­
n. per and evervthintj i‘ t>c\iv<*e ing figures relating to unemployment
Feople 6ivc this Government and tbe fiom Dolhi, Haryara and one ar two
Prime Minister full support. But, more States, as if unemployment has
you have let them down. They could ceased to be a problem in Tamil Nadu.
not he fooled for ever with yc.vr I wish he had known his home Stute
slogans. They cannot be fed with better and he had come out with some
slogans. This fireat country should figures in regard to Tamil Nadu- and
be freed from Congress misrule. how they have solved the problem
there. Anyway, I do not want to join
MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Bhagat. issue with him or enter into argu­
ments on these two points, but I just
SHRI H. K L. BHAGAT (East- I wanted to mention these two jwiats-
BelhlV: Mr. Chairman, Sir, I was
listening just now to the speech of My friend, the preach** ot the.RSS,
'my hon- friend from the *DM.K.. .. fShri Jagannathrao Joshl was preach-
283 No~Confid*nc* Motion JULY 34, 1974 No-Confl&tnce Motion 284
Ing u» morals and he was asking breast-beating and mourning is also
whether Congressmen disclosed their fake; that is how it looks to me.
income to their organisation. I would
ask this preacher friend of mine to go
and preach and advise the RSS and As regards the railway strike,
tell them to disclose their properties could there be a greater insult to the
and to disclose the huge amounts of railway employees than to say. as
money which they had collected dur­ most of my friends in the Opposition
ing the last several years without are saying, that lakhs of employees
issuing any receipts in the name of have surrendered to the repression by
gurudakshina. The Income-tax De­ the Government? How can anyone
partment is looking into this matter, repress lakhs of people? Obviously,
and I expect that Mr. Joshi will tell the railway workers realised that the
his organisation to be straightforward strike was not in their interest and
and disclose what has been asked for. in the interests of the country and
they understood the game of the cons­
With regard to this no-confldence pirators and political adventurists.
motion, the concentration has been on They do not mind my telling them:
two issues. One is the railway strike Who wanted to paralyse the national
and the various problems attendant economy? Who wanted to paralyse
on it, and the other is about the ordi­ the whose country, to create a situa­
nances which have been described by tion in which they might be able to
speakers from the Opposition as ordi­ flourish? I think the end of the rail­
nances which mean a wage freeze. way strike is a victory of the good
sense and good conscience of railway-
men and the people of India, above
The railway strike has been very all, who did not appreciate the strike
much discussed in this House and at this moment. The railway strike
repeatedly. Today also, a good many has been the defeat of certain cons­
things have been said by Members pirators and political adventurists—I
from the Congress benches, which I am repeating the phrase—who tried
would not like to repeat. to paralyse the country. I can under­
stand their frustration. Their frustra­
The burden and tenor of the tion is obvious. The railway emplo­
speeches made by the Opposition yees and posterity will never excuse
leaders on this no-confidence motion those leaders of the Opposition who
has once again shown that even in a at a crucial moment at the stage of
situation of very grave economic cri­ negotiations did not have the guts
sis, which they describe as grave, they and courage to command to the rail­
are not prepared to adopt a practical way workers the acceptance of the
and constructive attitude to help in three-point formula. They said the
the solution of the crisis. It seems formula is good, we like it, we want
pretty obvious that they wish to deep­ it to be accepted. But they had no
en this crisis more and make the guts to tell the people concerned.
difficult situation more difficult, hop­ Ultimately, they failed to control the
ing—and I believe their hopes will go demon they had created. Ultimately,
ir vain—that they can serve their the railway workers themselves met
pretty party ends by that attitude. If the situation and brought *n end to
they do not mind, I am not being the strike and brought about nor­
harsh when I say this, but to my malcy.
mind, it looks, when I hear their
speeches in such a grave situation, at Shri Indra'jit Gupta said yesterday
least some of them are not trying to that some of the assurances given by
grapple with the problems as leaders Government in this connection had not
of the nation, but it looks to me as if been followed or implemented Shri
there are some professional old breast* Jlishra, our Railway Minister, gave
toters and mourners; probably that a reply today. Still I woul£ request
28$ H&Conftdence SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) Nv-Confldence 286
Motion Motion
the Railway Minister—.1 would also I have heard a number of other
request the Prime Minister to go into things said, Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu
this question—to see that if any assur­ said that there has been an extraordi­
ances which were given have not nary increase in indirect taxes and
been implemented, they should be indications are that more such tuxes
implemented to the letter and spirit. ore going to be imposed; it looks more
We are not the enemies or opponents tpxet. are coming and he said it would
of the railway workers. We do not be a burden on the poor man. Firstly,
wish to cause any trouble to them be­ he is anticipating things and trying to
cause trouble to them means trouble act 9s a prophet. I would not say
to this country. that the burden of taxes has not fallen
on the common man. It has fallen,
but it has to be compared with the
Now, a good deal has been said tremendous stress and burden the
about these Ordinances. My friends country had to bear during the last
have described it as a wage freeze. three years and the kind of challenges
Obviously, they are free to use what­ \vc had to face from whithin and from
ever expression they like. But it is without.
a simple enough case. The Ordinance
provides for some kind of deferred Mr Bosu made a long speech. He
payment for some time on a good rate ha? only played his characteristic
of interrests. It is not a wage freeze. role—the sword and dagger role—
It does not stop increase in wages; it which we see in the movies, a role
only defers payment on a good pay­ full of deceits, distortion^ misrepre­
ment of interest of certain wages sentations, assassination—here charac­
which the workers have earned. I ter assassination.
can quite see that it can really be
haid for poor people if it is postpon­
ed for some time. But in a situation (wftaT) : T O f e
like this which we have today in the ursF spre rr sr*r fc i
country, some kind of sacrifice by all
sections of people in the nathnal in­ if ir$ qnjfr | f r *rra aftx %
terest becomes necessary. fasft ^ arrat $ 1
^ sflfepfcr * 3 vr
My friends have asked: why ask 3ft f ® mz |
the poor people to make a sacrifice?
Ultimately, in this great country, who u n ft w foorr | 1 Srrr | fa
has met the challenges and faced trials Tsfa % farsrro $,
ana tribulations? It is not the rich
man; it is the poor man of India who ^rr ^ wr^rr 1
has done so and he is going to do it
again. In him lies the strength to SHRI H. K. L. BHAGAT: Mr. Bosu
meet it. That does not mean that the read his whole speech. I need not
rich should be spared. No. Govern­ learn the art of speech-maklns from
ment has taken other steps Indica­ my fiiend. We see in the movies how
tions have been given that more taxes tragic and grim is the end of the man
«ure likely. It is being said that this who plays such a role. Mr. Bosu and
will not help to ftght inflation. No­ his tribe are bound to meet with the
body has said that this alone will do same end. His party does not have
that. But if a thousand or at least the courage to contest elections in
five hundred crores of rupees are not West Bengal now. Yesterday he men­
put in circulation, to that extent infla­ tioned Mrs. Indira Gandhi's name 30
tion is bound to be curbed. There* times. A visitor in the gallery made
fore, to say that this is a measure a comment later: “It seems he suffers
which wilt encourage inflation is, with from Indira phobia. Can't you send
. due to respect to those who have said him to a hospital?’* He also said “A
it absurd. good name on a bad tongue remains
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a. .good name all the same'” I want believed in the philosophy of violence,
to te1! Mr Bosu, Mrs Indua Gandhi violence against the Constitution,
is not the product of black money, against democracy, against morality,
she is the child of that great re\olu- decency and other good values That
ti< n about which Mr Bosu doej not is hi» attitude, and that attitude* is
k iow anything Probably then, as a rellected in this House lie was talk­
political peisonality, he was either ing of the condition of women under
unborn oi still born He mrd® alle­ the woman Prime Minister of India
gations against her and against our The Prime Minister of India never
paity without a shred of evidence He said that because she is a woman,
srud Rs 2 crores have been <aktn fiom thciciore, no injustice was being done
‘ o-jiid-so, Rs 5 ciores fion so-snd- to the women in this country I want
so etc He made a mistake He to aok Shn Bosu what hnpp red to
CvUld have said Rs 20 cioie„ w eie wom^n when their partv was rimng
tifrcn He has made wild ^legations in Baigil Weie women not molested
without the least regaxd for our rules airinf that legimc? 1 wish to ask
'fthuh require that such kind of pci- Shn Jyoti Bosu, the then Home Min-
<?0T') allegations cannot be in id 1 un­ l'-tu of Bengal and not Shu Jjotjr-
less there is some evidence to sur po t miy Bosu what happened m the
it But Shn Jyotirmoy Bo i i m i e al Rjbmdiasaiovar Gardens Wha* was
kinds* of false, wild, baseless and Ms Traction to it’ Why did ne tiy to
fibucated al'ogntion I very strong hush it up’
ly t nd categorically repudia*' them
The people are not influenced b> his All these show that you a e not
"legations He thinks he ha5? made lituested in helping women you aie
a \r»ry impressive speech May be lie i oi intcicstcd in iminating conup-
t a*. got a few headlines in tnc p*pcis t cu >ou aie not i Crested in cuibmg
bu* that will not cairy him very f->r inflation you aie "ot m+eiested in
preserving democracy vou are m-
The situation m the country today tue*tcd onl\ m chins, confusion con­
is fnnh grim sul, attempt at \iilication eha»acfer
is assin ition and ill kinds of lalsc-
AN HON MEMBER Fam> g iu V n oas Ihis i* \ou negative appioarh
STJK3 H K L BHAGAT Very rn account of which >ou have nrvei
Him in youi language, 1 accept it c moo conviction with the people a >d
In tn .t grave situation, thexc tan be you will ne\et c m v convu.ii'i|t with
two approaches One approach is t i the people in the future
grapple with the problem, face the
cufluulties continue the fig it un~
rca mgly against the probum the SHRI PJLOO MODY (Godhia) Mi
cthti appioach is to incite vi >ltnc Chan man Su, now that Shu Bhkgat
i h i J^otmnoy Bosu and 1 is p u t y hu solud all the problems of this
«U)i othu s borne Gandmmis also countn it i> pei haps a good idea to
Ihey n e taking to violence, tin our- top the dcbite at this point and dis­
of,ing violence m the name of non- pute with the Prune Mimstei s itp'y
\ioV °e They are vi ol i l ug 1ne Bet are I Ji ive been homing the ding-
C( ts itution in the name of the Con- dong battle going on the question of
*»Hution and butchennp dcnioudc^ in the i ailway strike and the fidelity of
tht l im© of democracy one group oi the othei of the railway
woikcis Of course, the railway em­
ployees had a legitimate cast which
AN HON MEMBER Who’ they put foiward very adequately
They asked that when you have allow­
SHRI H K L BHAGAT If you ed t^is to otheis, why not grant it to
want to know the names, it is Shri them also Everybody says tfi*t their
Tayaprakash and his supporters Shri demands weic legitimate, &ut tjic
Jyotirmoy Bosu and his party aJways employer was bankrupt and could not
 389 No-Confidence 'SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) No-Confidence 290
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pay them. What is the attitude of a all these people who have been play­
bankrupt employer when it comes to ing to the gallery for generations for
paying wages which he thinks are a vote—murder for a vote, rape for a
.adequate? It is one of supplication. vote, cheat for a vote, hunger lor a
He goes to the employees and says vote, anything for a vote! Sometimes
“sorry; I agree with you that your at least, you must say the truth. Mr.
^demands are justified; but I cannot XI. K. L. Bhagat just now talked about
pay because X am bankrupt; please democracy, talked about violence on
lielp me. We will work it out toge­ democracy. What about violence on
ther and over a period of time, I will truth? It is violence on truth which
•do justice by you.” Everybody has is being committed day‘ after day.
•-admitted that these demands were
legitimate. Any sort of demonstration against
the Government becomes an oflence.
AN HON. MEMBER; No. Any sort of strike becomes unpatrio­
tic. Who the hell owns this country?
SKRI PILOO MODY: Then, kindly I begin to ask; Is it only the Congress
go back to the Khadilkar formula. Is Government or is it all the peopie of
Khadilkar legitimate? I hear no this country? As for what they have
reply, Sir. I do not see why for the done, I do not think even God can
sake of truth his parenthood should be forgive them. Every conceivable sort
questioned. Is Khadilkar legitimate of opportunity they have takeu to do
or not? You have accepted the what they have done. What is it that
Knadilkar formula. In spite of the this country lacks except a Govern­
fact that we told you it was a bastar- ment with good intentions and good­
duation of labour relations, you ac- will, except an honest Government,
ctpted it because it meant a few cheap a clean Government? Is there any­
\otes for you. You go on collecting thing else that is lacking in inis
cneap votes. But it is not going to country? They only get up and make
'solve the problems of the country. speeches.

Now, when the railwaymen say, They have turned this country into
adopt the Khadilkar formula, you say, a police State. Everybody is swooped
no. Khadilkar becomes illegitimate. upon and spied upon. It is all very
What sort of Government id this? well for you over here to earn a few
Then, the railway strike begin.4-. What kudos or a part on the back from the
happened during the strike is un­ powers that be. But when you go out­
believable. We treated prisoners of side. what do you say? You are
"war better than we treated railway- afraid of talking in your own houses.
?men who went on strike. This point You are afraid of hobnobbing. You
"has not been properly brought out. are afraid of visiting each other’s
HJepzession was carried out on the houses. This is what you have aone
families of those railwaymen who did to the country. Every activity has
not go to work. In spite of wnai Mr. been politicalised.
X,. N. Mishra says, many Congress
Members have come to m2 and asked Recently, the Congress party nomi­
me, “Can it really be true? Is uhat nated its Presidential candidate . . .
we hear true? Is what they did to
the railway employees’ families, their AN HON. MEMBER: Please don’t
women and children, true?” And yet bring in that.
Mr. Stephen—where is he? He has
.disappeared—gets up and says: Siuco SHRI PILOO MODY: I am not
when has Mr. Piloo Mody started bringing in the name of the Presi­
•worrying about workmen, as if work­ dent, now. What you did at the
men were "His own private preserve, time of the last Presidential election?
:as if the whole of humanity in this I am only saying what is going to be
rcountry Was inherited by him and by done. There is every chance that he
2125 LS—10.
291 No-Canfidence Motion JULY 24, 1974 No-Confidence Motion 292

will not be the President. Recently, all I see in front of me is only

the Congress party nominated its ciphers—ciphers of every kind.
Presidential candidate. I ask you: In
To control inflation they have come
a country of 56 crores, with a massive out with a few Ordinances—some sec­
majority here, at the Centre, and in ret weapons that are going to control
the States, couldn’t you have done the monetary excesses of the last 20
better? years! All these Ordinances, if you
AN. HON. MEMBER: What does were to read them, are economically
illiterate. The persons or people or
he mean by it?
the economists who suggested them
SHRI PILOO MODY: The very understand neither economy nor
fact that you have to ask this is suffi­ finance nor monetary arrangements. -
cient.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Please try to
conclude.
You recently had the General Sec­
retary of the Indian National Cong­
ress—his name is Mr. Chandrajeet SHRI PILOO MODY: Why did you
Yadav—bemoaning the fact that a call me then?
few of our parties had got together
and that we were right reactionaries vti?m : srnr %
and we weire going to destroy his
Party and all that. He loves to see z m $ st fa?*-?: S9T3T 3r far* $ i
the opposition as it is constituted to­ w r *3 srroft «rrc?f | i
day. He thinks that democracy can
*TT2rf
remain without opposition, i do not
deny that at all because this is the tftit ?rt * eft v t z t | i
sort of training that he has received
since childhood; he has been taught Are you suggesting that your ma­
about one-party democracy, democra­ thematics is better than your eyes?
cy without opposition, democracy As for as these Ordinances are con­
without decent, and democracy with­ cerned, to talk in terms of freezing
out people. If he had been liteartc workers’ wages, even temporarily, is,
enough to read the Constitution, he I suppose, a proposition which can be
would know that democracy requires accepted from Government at the end
opposition. And when some of us of a long series of measures. After
get together to form that opposition, you have made the basic changes in
our dear General Secretary of the the structure of your economy, alter
Congress Party is becoming that you have exercised the necessary dis­
fact. As for what the Prime Minis­ cipline upon yourself, if you come
ter did yesterday at the Oberoi Inter­ along ultimately to passing an Ordi*
Continental Hotel through the good nance like this saymg ‘Come on, chaps,
offices of Mr. Yashpal Kapur in trying, we have done everything else; now
in a feeble attempt, to get the BKD you also chip in’ then I would have
split—one of the parties that are get­ understood that there was some
ting together—is, I think, too funny meaning in this Ordinance. What you
for comment. It is sort of pantomime have said about dividiend control is
that goes on in this country, a sort o? even more illiterate. You do not un­
pleasure that one derives in doing derstand what you are doing. An
these little things. Well, it is alright, efficient company is penalised while
you may destroy a little oppositoin. the inefficient one is rewarded. People
But that will not solve the problems who have contributed to efficiency
that you have inherited or which are penalised and the people who
you have made yourself. The pro­ have contributed to inefficiency are
blems are economic problems. And rewarded.. What has happened? The
when it comes to economic problems, capital markets of the country have
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Motion Motion
collapsed. Now, to-day, this is the Instead of doing something and
new slogan..... analysing the disease, if you want in­
flation to go down, you have to start
MR. CHAIRMAN: The hon Mem­ with yourself.
ber’s time is up.
Administrative expenditure: The
SHRI PILOO MODY: If you are Finance Minister and all the Minis­
going to disturb me like that there is ters over here must promise that
no point in my speaking. every year compounded they will re­
duce their ministerial and other ex­
Mr. Chairman: Please conclude. penses concerned with their Ministry
by 20 per cent year after year after
SHRI PILOO MODY: I cannot con­ year after year. I do not care how
clude. I have not come here just to you do it.
show my face. I have a point of
view to put forward. The Prime Minister should call the
Ministers one by one and say, *You
SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA reduce your ministerial expenditure
(Begusarai): We have discussed the by 20 per cent or out you go.
arrangement with the Speaker that
on a matter of no-confidence motion Believe me you will get rid of your
one cannot finish in five or ten min­ inflation. Believe me that you will
utes. get rid of it in no time and no Minister
will ever complain to you that you
SHRI PILOO MODY: Let me ask have done him in or you have been
you a question as to how long Shri harsh on him.
Chandrajit Yadav spoke.
Believe me, they will be able to do
it. All you have to do it to call them
SHRi SAT PAL KAPUR (Patiala):
and tell them that out they go if they
It is Party’s time and not individual’s
time. ,i*| do not do it and you would not have
to impose taxes and you would not
MR. CHAIRMAN: Please conclude have to pass these illiterate ordi­
nances and you would not have to go
now. sett HP g «T ^T'T 1 5 f*T i cT on record and say all the fabricated
and compounded lies that go on. It
will be done overnight.
SHRI PILOO MODY: You can
either look after Parliament or you Cut down on the free jaunts abroad.
can look after your clock . You can­ Cut down on the surplus staff that
not do both. you employ. Cut down on all manner
of meaningless controls which have
Sir, the latest fashionable slogans ceased to have any meaning but which
is that there is need for production. still continue because they are a
All these years it was socialism. Now matter of habit......
it is being converted into production. MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Piloo Mody,
We want production. Well, there are you should finish now
certain things that are necessary for
production and one of the things that SHRI PILOO MODY: I am convin­
is necessary for production is the ced that you are determined to ruin
capital market. I have no love for my speech. I am not yielding.
the capital market, hut it is necessary.
SHRI P. K. DEO (Kalahandi):
Under the system that you operate it
Kindly give him five minutes more.
Is necessary and without it, you can­
not have the increased production that SHRI PILOO MODY: I do not need
you want five minutes more I need ten minutes
395 No-Confidence Motion JULY 24, 1974 No-Confidence Motion 296

more. It is for you to tell him* Mr. In the background of all this, you
Raghu Ramaiah. What is the use of had three days of debate in the
your looking at me? Please do not All India Congress Committee Lis­
come here, go th^re. Either Parlia­ tening to these debates one wonders
ment continues as a Parliament or it whether you were seized of the pro­
continues as a clock. It canot con­ blem let alone concerned about what
tinue both ways. Now the main is happening in the country. You dis­
problem with production is your own cussed about what Jayaprakash
self-defeating ordinances. Suppose it Narain has said. You discussed whe­
manages to control your money sup­ ther khadi should be certified or un­
ply for a few months or for one year, certified. You discussed about drink­
all right what are you going to do ing, about womanising. These are the
about it next year? Are you going sort of things that we heard. Is this
to make inroads into your system of the sort of thing on which we should
expenditure, into your quantum of ex­ bestow our attention just now when
penditure? How are you .going to do we are in the midst of such a serious
all these things? We have the pro­ economic crisis such as we are facing
blem ol fertiliser where a million today? We have heard all sorts of
bliem of fertiliser where a million statements to the effect that the oppo­
tons of fertiliser is short. You say, sition must give up its opposition and
this distribution system is bad, that start cooperation with the Govern­
distribution system is bad, and all ment. You be meaned the fact that
that. What are you distributing after students were being asked to leave
all? 1 have not heard anywhere, any their colleges in Bihar and come out
single programme, of how you are of their colleges and that colleges
going to increase food production. I were being forcibly closed down and
have not heard a word about how you all that. But what about Uttar Pra­
are going to increase fertiliser pro­ desh? Why have the colleges been
duction, how you are going to increase closed in Uttar Pradesh? There is no
the acreage under minor irrigation, Jayaprakash Narain in Uttar Pradesh
how you are going to increase rural and if you are so much concerned
electrification, or how the power about Education how is it that colleges
shortage going to be met so that you in Uttar Pradesh are closed? -The fact
can work your pumpsets. At present of the matter is that you are afraid
you are not able to work your pump­ of students and you have very good
sets which are already installed, in­ reason to be afraid of students.
stead of attending to all these things
what we find is that this sort of de­
bate is going on the question of dis­
tribution.
The students have shown you what
all of us have not been able to show.
Now, may I ask: What about wage I regretfully have to confess. To-day
goods? What about common goods I hals to leave by making only non­
that are consumed by the common constructive observations.. 1 always
man? Have you got any programme like to end my speach by making
for the increase of these production some constructive suggestions. I
items? When you talk about increase am glad that the Prime Minister has
of production what exactly are you come back, because it is primarily for
really talking about, let me ask: Is her. The first thing that I would like
it an abstract concept or is it some­ to suggest to the Prime Minister is
thing which requires some effort on the dispersal of power, Learn to share
your part in order to bring about in­ your power with your other collea­
crease of production of goods which gues in the Cabinet. In other words,
are in short supply, food articles and let the power more from the Cabinet
wage goods. Secretariat to the Cabinet itself so
297 ^C on fid en ce SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) No-Confidence 298
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that we may have a more effective duct this young man, Mr. Salve, into
leadership in this country—a collec­ the Finance Ministry. I strongly re­
tive leadership in this country. In­ commend him. I strongly recommend
stead of Mrs. Gandhi and this puppet also that the Prime Minister keeps a
show of 56 dummies that she runs, let watch over him because there is a
it be meaningful Cabinet where their tendency for him to swollen beaded a
individual performance helps her. little faster than he ought to* I
There is little enough talent that she would not like her to move Shri Swa-
can draw upon but let her make use ran Singh out of the External Affairs
of the talent that is available in her Ministry. I think he is outstanding;
party to the maximum extent possible. he is excellent, who can talk for hours
Therefore, the prime need ot the hour together and, at the end, tell you pre­
is a Cabinet re-shuflle. That Cabinet cisely nothing. This is the sort of
re-shuffle should not be postponed for man, I think, that we need in the
some political reasons or for some External Affairs Ministry- I can go
political motives to some other future on like this, but, I think that you
date. Let her do it now while Par­ would get a little irritated again.
liament is in session and before the
Presidential election. In the face of As for the Prime Minister herself,
this crisis, I have a few suggestions I suggest that she should stick to
to make. Atomic Engergy because nobody un­
derstands it and nobody is expected
to understand it, and she should keep
The first thing is there should be all the intelligence powers in her own
a Deputy Prime Minister in this hands which she has been doing for
country. I have been looking around. the last so many years, because it
Mr. Chavan is fitting here. A little will help her gossip and also to ktep
while ago I saw Babu Jagjivan Ham. a tight control by black-mailing her
1 think there should be a Deputy fellow-colleagues as soon as
Prime Minister once again. I saw Mr. they step out of line. There
Chavan smiling away in animated is planty of talent outside. As
conversation with the P.M. a while 1 look around I find Mr. Hanuman-
ago, but, he is not happy with his thaiah, an eminent man. Also I seek
portfolio. And therefore, I suggest Shn Dmesh Singh sitting here who
that you restore to him the Home is trying to look very small. There
Poartfolio where lie performed some is Mr. Jagannath Rao over there who
distinguished serviees to the country also has been waiting. In the other
and. relieve him of this unfortunate House there is Mr. C'nandresekhar
Finance poriiolio which he has been whose beard is growing longer and
entrusted with. longer He has been waiting so long.
Then, there is Mr. Gadgil also in the
other House. Then, there is my friend
Mr. Daga, a first class man; you can­
This has several advantages. If Mr. not get a better man than him in the
Chavan moves to Home, the present entire Congress Party; he should be
incumbent can be conveniently made entrusted with agriculture. Then, I
the Congress President. And that see Shrimati Maya Ray over there. I
would kill two birds with one stone. think that the Treasury Benches
Then, I suggest that for Finance, get could stand a little bit of ornamenta­
somebody who knows a little about tion. Then, there are several people
financc—maybe Mr. Subramaniam or who neod to be promoted. There is,
maybe, Mr. Pai—I do not know for instance. Mr. Gujral who has done
whom. I leave the choice to you. excellent work. Then, I see Mr
But, get somebody who knows a Shaft Qureshi over here, and he
little about finance to run the finance should have been made to intervene
portfolio. 1 also suggest that you in­ instead of his senior colleague. Then,
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of course, there are a lot of young very seriously. 1 do not know whe*
people.*.. ther the leaders of that party would
really take the speech that Shri
SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: Jyotirmoy Bosu had made as a re­
What about the Parliamentary Affairs presentative speech from their party.
Minister? It is a very tragic situation that in
SHRI PILOO MODY: He should our country in a Parliament of this
be left there. There is no bigger crook stature, one of the Members repre­
in the whole House. senting a political party-certainly he
has every right to criticise us, and I
Then, where is Mr Stephen? He do not deny that right—has spoken in
should definitely not be included in that fashion.
the Cabinet. I leave these thoughts
■with the Prime Minister. I hope she
will sleep on them tonight and an­ SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Your
nounce the new Cabinet tomorrow. certificate is really impressive.
I suggest the if she did have a
better team and if she did share 17 hrs.
power with them and if she did
made them perfrom and entnusted SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN:
them with the task of cutting down But the way abusive epithets were
their expenditure by 20 per cent fiung and allegations were made did
every year and if not ‘out’, I think not become the party. This is one
this country could be saved quite thing I wanted t0 point out that if
easily.
at all you have to make criticisms,
THE MINISTER OF FINANCE certainly they are welcome and we
(SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN): are here to answer them, we are here
I have been listening to the discussion to explain them. May be perhaps we
on the no-confidence motion for the may succeed in convincing you; may
last four or five hours. When I was be we may not. That is a different
asked to speak at five O'clock I was matter altogether. But I would cer­
wondering about what points I was tainly at least make an appeal to the
going to reply to, because most of the other political leaders who are very
important speeches have been made on distinguished politicians in this coun­
this side of the House. Now, I find try and leading their own parties
that Shri Indrajit Gupta’s speech has whether they are doing any service
been added to by that of Shri Piloo to democracy, particularly parlia­
Mody. I thought that they were go­ mentary democracy, m associating
ing to make a proposal for the un­ themselves with a no-confidence
making of the Ministry. But here is motion of this type of motivation.
^ speech which has made some sug­ This is a serious question I want to
gestion for making the Ministry. That pose before both Shri Jyotirmoy
shows their confidence and that Bosu and also the other political lea­
■shows their own attitude about it. ders before I come to actually what
has been said in the debate on thia
Sir, I hav been m parliamentary life no-confidence motion.
lor a pretty long time, for nearly 28
years, and I have been brought up
in a tradition where no-confidence Two or three main grounds have
motion is considered as a very serious
proposition. I have never seen a no- been raised in this debate on th en o
confidence motion. One is about the
confidence motion being trt ated so
railway strike, of which notice has
lightheartedly by those who move it.
been taken by the Railway Minister
I thought that the Communist Party
(Marxist) was a very serious politi­ himself. He has participated in the
cal party in India. At least I take it debate and has replied to most of the
points. The other was about the
3o | No-Confidence SRAVANA 2, 1896 (5AKA) No-Confidence 302
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issue of Ordinances and then the to that that it has been said not by
question of prices and the present eco­ Government only but it has been
nomic situation, particularly the said for the last two years by a
inflationary situation. Naturally, X number of economists in this coun­
am speaking briefly to intervene to try, by a number of parlmientarians
explain government policies about and politicians in this country, that
the latter parts namely the present this is because there is a rather un­
economic situation, particulaily the usually large money supply in the
inbationary situation, and why is it country? It has its many iacets—
lhat in that context, the Ordinance money supply. There are many emi­
have become necessary. • nent economists here who possibly
may jgpeak about it more authoritati­
The House will pardon me if 1 vely. Of course, the reasons for that
repeat some of the things I have al­ may be different. I admit Govern­
ready said either here or outside be­ ment’s deficit financing was also one
cause when you are talking about the of the Very important contributory
realities of the economic situation, factors to this. I do not deny it; it is
.you cannot invent arguments or there. There was certainly despite
situations. You have to deal with our efforts at credit controls, selective
the realities as they are. It is a credit controls, a certain money ex­
truism to say that the present econo­ pansion which came from that side.
mic situation is something very seri­ There is certainly the usual rise in
ous of which we have to take note. incomes; it is not merely wages but
As a matter of fact, we are in a general rise in incomes unrelated to
serious grip of inflation which is thre­ the availability of goods. That has
atening to be a runaway inflation certainly created an imbalance and
and therefore, we have to think very we have to deal with this problem.
seriously about this matter. We are
thinking seriously about this matter It is not enough merely to deal with
and, therefore, we are taking certainly the problem of money supply. We
some serious steps in this matter. have also to deal with the other side.
That is, the side of production in the
But it is not enough merely to des­ industrial and agricultural fljelas-
cribe a situation. Merely describing There we have to deal with many
a situation does not lead to any solu­ other facts of the problem. There is
tion. We will have to And out why it another field of money supply com­
is so. We will have to diagnose the ing from unaccountable, illegitimate,
situation. According to us, the infla­ illegal sources, which is the result of
tionary situation has been gradually evasion of taxes, both direct and in­
accentuating in the last couple of years- direct. If direct taxes are evaded, it
The basic reason for that of course— becomes the nucleus of black money.
again to repeat the same theme—is In the case of indirect taxes, it is eva­
that there is that imbalance between ded by producing more and showing
the agreegate demand in this country less in terms of commodities and
and the availability of essential goods those commodities become the mother
and services that are needd to meet of more black money. We have to
that demand. This is, really speaking, deal with this entire problem.
the basic reason for the present in­
flation.
Let me first explain what we are
Now we have to deal with this pro­ not doing. ? I heard Mr. Indrajit
blem. How do we deal with this Gupta’s speech very carefully*
problem? If we have to deal with Possibly that was the one serious
this problem, then naturally people speech I heard in this entire debate.
ask: how are you going to deal with AN HON. MEMBER: You mean
this quest/on of demand? May I say from that side.
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SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN: have never belived that the inflation;

Of course I began by saying that m this country is basically the result
I heard some very good speeches of action oa the part of the working;
from this side classes I do not want to dwell on
SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA* the causes of inflation which are
During none of your interventions basically rooted in the slackness of
have you failed to say this agricultural and industrial production.
We have issued these ordinances not
SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN because we believe that wages are
Possibly I would have heard some going to increase the prices We have
more senous speeches if I had delay- done th's to prevent possible infla­
ed my intervention for some tune I tionary pressures on the run away
do not deny that (Interruptions) prices I really do not know what
Mr Indrajit Gupta made two could have been the size of the infla­
points while criticising the ordinances tionary pressure if we had allowed
He said that we are saying something things to g0 as they are and not
which exactly we are not doing He taken any steps to prevent them
made a reference to his famous Pro­
fessor m C a m b rid g e, Prof John So, the steps that we have taken
Keynes I quote him so far are m the nature of preventive
action We never claimed that by the
“The basic determinant of prices issue of these Ordinances, immedia­
m our society is not be wages of tely there is going to be some fall in.
the workers but the capitalists prices We never claimed that
held on the big sectors of the in­ Then, these are not the only steps
dustry where they determine the which ultimately will give us that
prices foi the sake of their pio- result We will have t0 take a series
hts and super-profits by creating of steps This i«s the first package we
attificial scarcity, by restricting fuvc given in the form of three Ordi­
production Inflation is the thing nances I will explain lattr why the
which helps the capitalists the three Ordinances were considered
most This theory was inspired by necpssary So the main point is that
John M Keynes’ the old Professor Shu Indrajit Gupta was trying to
of my old college m Cambridge I attribute things which we never said
thought we had given up this long Reall\ ^peaking this is part of our
age John M Keynes’ old theory is policy the policy that has been im­
being resurrected again —he means plemented and the policy that has
by this Government— that the been explained recently m the ten-
safety value against economic de­ point programme by the Prime
pression and against the danger of Minister, namclj to reduce deficit
economic explosion is to create financing tiymf to reduce Govern­
deficit financing and inflation sff mental expendituie on the non-plan
that by creating paper money items And the steps that we took
which has no value you can boost last year and the steps that we pro­
up the demand for goods, inflate pose to take this year also to econol
the prices and allow the capitalists m w shows our faith l nthe prog­
to make higher profits It is a bo­ ramme of mmimsmg unnecessary ex­
gus theory, it has never worked hi penditure on non-Plan items
any capitalist country and it is not
going to work here also ” SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU We will
show you all this by your own figures
He says as if we have issued these tomorrow
ordinances to create more money Is
that what he means7 It is precisely SHRI YESHWAJSTTRAO CHAVAN:
the opposite that we are trying to do This he should have done in the
I would like to emphasise that we beginning What is the use of men­
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Motion Motion
tioning them at the end? If he had like my frisads to consider seriously'
devoted his speech to that, I would this problem. We adopted the policy
have welcomed it. of dearness allowance with a view
to solving the problem of the wage
This is exactly what we are trying earners. But we found that it is not
to do, and that is why the Ordinances solving the poblem of inflationary
have become necessary. This was the forces. I quite agree that it is a,
time to act. If this is not the time to rather extraordinary step that we-
act, may I ask him what was the time have taken. But when we face an
to act? unequal situation we have to take
unusal steps.
Some hon. Members very legitima­ PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE
tely raised the question why the Ordi­ (Rajapur): Is it not a fact that the
nances were necessary. I certainly package was not comprehensive en­
owe an explanation to this House, and ough and that is why your colleague
possibly we will discuss this in more like Shri Dharia opposed this Ordi­
detail when we discuss the Bill to re­ nance?
place the Ordinance. Then I will be
hearing more about this Jfrom the SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN:
opposition side. But I would like to You better ask that question of Shri
explain in the beginning why we Dharia. Please listen to me now.
thought the Ordinances were neces­ The package can certainly be more-
sary. If we take the Ordinances in­ comprehensive. But the package
dividually, one by one, that is a that we have produced is, in a way,
different matter. Certainly, it was a a linked package. It is an inter-linked
package. The Ordinance limiting the package. It is a deposit operation
dividend, the Ordinance compelling which the Government of India can
the deposit of 50 per cent of the addi­ through its own legislation bring into
tional dearness allowance and the existence. This is the most impor­
Ordinance compelling income-tax tant thing.
payor* above a certain level to About dividend distribution, may I
deposit a percentage of their income, ask: Was not the Ordinance neces­
it is really speaking a package in sary? Could we have brought this
order to reduce 'he monetry supply proposition or this proposal merely in
and reduce the inflationary pressure the form of a normal law? It had to
on demand. It was thought that these be done by an Ordinance. In a pa­
are the important scction-s which can ckage, when one item has to be en­
make this contribution. When I say acted through an Ordinance, the
“contribution", it ^ not a gift; it.is others become inevitably linked up
not in that sense that I am using the with that. Mr. Indrajit Gupta gave-
word “contribution”. Then, we are an argument that in the case of per­
not taking away the present wages sons who were supposed to deposit
of the* employees. It is only 50 per money sometime in the month of
cent of the additional wages and December, why was it necessary to
dearness allowance that is covered issue an Ordinance? It is not in that
by this measure. This increment is mechanical sense that you could
meant for the purchase of consumer judge these issues. These are very
goods— important issues.
There is something like psycholo­
SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Food. gical aspect of inflation also. When*
an approach has been accepted, It is
SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN: necssary to put the entire approach
Yes, food, clothing and many other in a package before the country ia *
items also. The idea is not to deprive comprehensive form. Therefore, when
tbtfn of their necessities. 1 would one Ordinance become* necessary, it
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Js absolutely inevitable that all the express our deep appreciation of the
other proposition organically linked cooperation that the economists 01
with it be brought in the form of this country are giving to
Ordinances. Nobody likes Ordi­ the Government. We are really
nances. Don't we know that if we greateful to them that in the
come with Ordinances, the House present difficult economic conditions,
vdoes not like it? We also know it. they are applying their mind indivi­
But we had to do it. We had no dually and collectively and giving uft
other option. We thought that there very important constructive sugges­
were compelling rea&ons for us to go tions which we are also considering
jxi for Ordinances. Therefore, I would from time to time.
request this House to appreciate the
compelling reasons and the reasons They are also giving us suggestions
why we thought that this was going in a package. It is not only one sug­
to help the economy of the country. As gestion or two suggestions. The
far as the Ordinances are concerned, 1 Memorandum which they have sub­
have tried to explain my own reasons mitted to the Prime Minister is a very
for the issue of Ordinances. Utimate- important document. There is no
ly, the Ordinances on their merits doubt about it. I would like to say
•will be considered by the House. that a number of their suggestions are
very useful and constructive. We have
The other issue of administrative already accepted some of than. I
-problems, their implementation. is can mention some of the suggestions
also an important one. I do not deny that we are implementing. A* num­
that administrative problems are very ber of suggestions listed by econo­
many; I do not minimise the difficul­ mists in their Memorandum, such as.
ties in implemenation. But some of rationalisation of Government ex­
the difficulties have to be accepted penditure, involvement in the work­
knowingly. You cannot merely ing of public sector undertakings, re­
push away a task only because it is duction of governmental subsidies,
difficult. It is difficult and it is increased in the rate of interest—only
necessary and, therefore, it lhas to be recently, the Reserve Bank of India
performed. We have undertaken increased the bank rate—the use of
-this difficult task because we believe fiscal instruments to reduce consump­
that it is ultimately going to help the tion improvement in foreign ex­
economy of this country. change reserves, building up of ade­
Now, the question comes up as to quate buffer stocks of foodgrains.
what are the other things that we reduction in non-developmental ex­
want to do about black money. penditure and increase in production
Everybody asks a question, a legiti­ are. already under implementation.
mate question, as to what we propose Most of those suggestions we have
to do about it. I would like to say certainly accepted. But at the same
that for the last two years, we have time I must humbly point out that
been consistently taking steps to con­ their main suggestion is reducing, by
trol the problem of black money. 30 per cent, through stamping by
Some people just stick to one thing designated authorities the face value
and try to find out what we are doing of currency notes of the denomina­
and what we are mot doing. The tion of Rs. 100 and above held by the
hon. Member, Mr. Indrajit Gupta, public and the issue of Special Gov­
made a reference to the memoranda ernment of India Certificates equal to
submitted by the economists and the reduction, ic. of 30 per cent, fc:
asked as to what we are going to do the face value of the currency notes;
about those memoranda. He, parti­ the Special Certificates will have
cularly, made a reference to this a maximum maturity period of ten
popular name “SEMIBOMBLA" and years and thev will bear an annual
asked what we are going to do about rate of interest of ten per cent. etc.
it. Let me take this apportunity to Also their idea is to reduce the value
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Motion Motion
of deposits in banks- We in the Select Committee will submit its re­
finance Ministry lhave examined very port seem for the consideration of the
carefully this suggestion. The Re> House so that it becomes a statute.
serve Bank of India has also applied A number of steps havp been taken
its *nind to it. And I must frankly there. The most important part of
State that we have given all the that recommendation is that we want
weight to the suggestion but to treat the economic offences very
we do not favour this be­ seriously. According to me, that is
cause it is not likely to help the most important part of it and 1
the economy as we understand it. If wish that it becomes a law.
you reduce the value of the deposits Another outlet for black money was
in banks, you are really speaking, investment of money in urban pro­
undermining the faith of the people perties or other properties in an un-
% the banking system itself. There­ dercalued manner. You know about
fore* we do not favour this sugges­ that Act. That Act has already been
tion. I only want to tell the hon. implemented and more than 4,000
Member, Shri Indrajit Gupta, that notices have been issued. I learn that,
we have given a very serious thought in respect of nearly 38 proparties,
to the suggestions made by the final orders have already been issued.
economists. As I said, we are very May be, they may go on appeal to
grateful to them for their suggestions. tribunal, etc. But my main point is
Some of the suggestions which are this. This number ‘38’ or ‘4,000* is
acceptable we are implementing, but not important. What is important is
some of the suggestions which are not that a new process has started about
acceptable we are not implementing. economic offences in 1973-74. Nearly
I was coming to black money. As I a hundred prosecutions have been
said, some members really go by launched. As I said, it is not the
some slogan here and there. But I number of prosecutions that is im­
have repeatedly said that through portant. The main point is that a
legislative action we have taken a new way of dealing with this problem
number of steps. Ultimately, as I has started A large number of raids
said, black money is generated by have been organized. It is a question
evasion of taxes and also in certain of creating a fear in the minds of
monopoly in commodity distribution these people for using black money,
like steel — for their anti-social activities, not to
resort to these things. It is again this
SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU? Why atmosphere.. (Interruptions) Merely
did you suppress the interim report crying hoarse about black money does
of Wanchoo Commission? not help either you or me or anybody.
SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN: We ought to change that atmosphere
Again you are talking about demo­ in the country. Let us do that. Mere­
netisation. We have made our posi­ ly trying to accuse one Party or one
tion very clear, many times, about individual or one section of people
this, we have said that we have not does not help us or the party. These
accepted this. What is the u«e of pub­ are some of the steps we are taking in
lishing the report about it? There is the case of black money as well.
no use doing it. I tried to point out the measures
SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: You we have taken in the case of produc­
appoint a Commission and then you tion also. I have taken a series of
suppress it report. measures even last year in the case of
agriculture as you very rightly know.
SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN: As we said in our AICC meeting, we
At the present moment also there is think that the production of the last
a very important Bill before a Select year was certainly bad enough for us.
Committee, A large number of mem­ Unfortunately, we have not been
bers of this House are members of successful to effectively bring the
that Select Committee. I hope the necessary produce into the distribu-
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.

tion system .... (Interruptions) That 'l;lf��-5ffificf 9-ln:tar �f;:<ro" l!Tcff cfil"
ff�� f(Sf(1"r:fi WT t if 11,CT cfPfiq
is the effort we have to do this
year also .... (Interruptions) Why
we are not ,successful, we are certain- i:f ffr� �r ff�<f,r cfimr �
;;rtrt cR> 't, <fi4",'fffZl!'r efir ffq.=er t
· 1y thinking about it. You also give
some co-operation in this matter.
This is a national problem. Let us if � � ;;-�r �m f'1> fcficf.,r ,t;) �r�n:
think about it. If you want to think
about the economic problems in a co­
i'\" f�r �h: fcficf.,) cfil" ;;n;{f �l'f
operative manner, you are welcome. cfif I if � �cFff �r cf>°t'TT fu ;;ror
But when we are considering the na­ � (1"Tl'fT � �)er cfif Titl'f cfif �r, err
tional problem in its national perspec­
t'ive, what is your contribution? Strike, l:!Flrffli" 9-lf m�cr ;;n:nrur fll9.1 � q"w'f
more strikes arrd more strikes. That :i;fn: '.;fom '!� ;:j;� �) f1c<'!T!l"f �r
is the way you are talking about. :q-h �ifi' 'Ef{."f ofil" ��cff•H �f I
�� -rgu i �t"{J,f �r ;,{t, �ff �
This is the way you are talking about
a serious matter of a no-confidence
motion in the country. The most im­ q�� 'lft, -r� �r, i::r� 'i:f'i:TT �a-1 �f
portant and 5erious problem before
the country to-day is this economic � fcfi 't, �'<ITT:f � it° ��;; � I 't,
problem. What is your offer of co­ cfilli:ff�r �sm-� �� � qfcf m, -r9cr
operation to solve this problem ins­
�� � �r ;;rr� � � 'l�\ .cfi,,ii:Jilfacr
fq;ffr 1-�·:t�w cfiT ,itf � frifii=l" � , �w'if�
tead of merely criticising us? (In­
terruptions)
AN HON MEMBER: It is your own � <fir �t": �!1+1rfJ, �ff cffcf cnf g';;q-�r
certain. �ff � if �Jeff 'i:frf�lt I ;;ff :i;rq;f, �)er
SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN:
efif l:!Fr �, � �� efif �rf � l:fT ),ff
,;j'I'{� � cITT" ;;-ilft;, fcf>�r en:'t�ft cfiT i
That would not absolve you from
your respon,sibility as leaders of this
country if you are leaders of - this �r, <lQ � ";r �··· � ?
c0untry. Merely saying that this is
your creation or his creation would � � 'Sfi:TA +T<iff <f,f cfJ '*TT�Uf
certainly help you make a speech, but �(Sfr,- �r ;r,i[R 'lr�ti crrtf � ,;;i� �flit
certainly it woul d not help you to go
� <TI"'i:f if fo.rr �r I ��T� cfr�ifoi:f
� �IT� lT cfi'gf fcfi cf� q-lffrefi· qJ";ft.;- t �
back to the people.
Therefore, I make an appeal to the
hon. Members here, both on this side �� �f q'f:i:;;; sifq[�fil� %·- ;y, �
and on that side, that if at all we are
serbus about the problems of this
"IT<i" _:f1T �<'iT g�f �T, <fi�f :?TT f,.,; �!IT cf>f
eountry, let us not think in negative ti� � fflfq :l;i.cfttT{ f�· lt'{i ll"l{'G�f
terms. Let us not think in tenns of �f1\'11
• ::\.-A. qfift'l
�� l:!. I
anti-this and anti-that. Fortunately
· we have got a very affective leader­ if er,�r 'i:fr� � f'I> rir�r "'fr �
ship of Madam Gandhi as the Prime qfB"frf �, :q-n;: �-{t Cf� �' f��R
cm- �r 'fi'T �l-1" �n:a- 1,mr lf.Qd" "(� � I
Minister of this country. I think it is
our duty in this difficult time of the
history of the nation that we give f���;ffiF1' cff'1 'SfcfR .:r,:::rr �\f �n'.('fi' 'ii"�·
our best co-operation to her and thr­ .::(Sfcff�f ·J;fn:: 'i:fi"fil';f�f. <f>'-..:i:f'f � I

l
�n:a- :irrm ii· t,si· :e- f;;rrir:nz �fir
ough h er to the natiop..
SHRI PILOO MODY: His last sen­
tence is the real contribution to the m.::ff ll"rar cJfr ir.efi·, ;::;r;;r, J;f°h: cf:fii' t
economic problems of this country. eir't it <-fi� f'<f. � �- cii{! �r �, �
�, �� f� (�(,j@ijjl�) : ff� <ilfT t lf� ¢j�;T 1_hf��T�i" � �P:f
�er ���, i>.ft �rfu.t;r � i'\" ;;rr t , �ci err rt� mirr t �l:ff,'i [m rn �
3*3 No-Confidence SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) No-Confidence 314
Motion Motion
m % 1 $ *TfTta w a sw 5ft<fy>T | » ?r k ^ % ^ r T O t wtct
m x srer $ fa sppc f w w w 5Tft | , ?rrg *r ^r^rprn:
«rr fa<ft «rr t « r r % srrw yn:a m p6f % iR r fa^R> ^rr w tm
w i *p> sprier *r n4|r fw n rR r ^r^rcrr fr, ^ ^ «w if Tr w *ftT«rwT
* r i f ^ «rr «rf?sp srfacr n r e m f«r«r t , ^ r f r ^ ^rr * f m ^T ^ n rr^
apt srk q'f^rrr ^ i% wcr *r m fn ^rm^rr ^rf=rr ^ ^ r % i ^
favnernrf ^rff^r «rr 1 sfcrct fa^R t t ^TFrr ^faarnr % <fcrr't w
*mft m ifk 3 *% *n?fr *pt ^ r 3 R fa rr ?rV f ^ g t ^ »i<f^t ^
5R% WU % fa*FPT^r m I v fa % w 3rr-<»rr ?fH
faRTO ufirwrw sr^rer *fr, -r^-sTff srt srrsr sft * i % fa^rt w 1 * v r 5 7 ^
m ^T5i»r *rrf^ ?rr 1 ^ ^nrr f a r t f^-P Tjrr$ *ft* * f r , m z ^
^ ?r *rfi*-Y *pt t r *nsr 1 ^1$ fanrr fsr%»nr its ^ t ? fa $
^ srlT^T ^f*T Tfft | f% mar«PT ? 5m 5»t *r w f ?tt ?rlt t ?
*rz*rrf 3qft ?■ t ^r-spT gfcri » m I ? ^•3r ?Tf^f ^rr ^it *rr^T ^i^rar
swtft ?r*£ ?r ?t,t t o fartfsrift ¥t t o %m 1 w * r ?r w ? ^ r «?r fa ^ Ff?F&r
^ft «5T ^rprr t fa ssfa ?rt«ft smrafn:, wt*rr%zt sffir ?r^iT^r ^pr ^ q fa
srertbrnr, srY* fa m t <TTjf % m*r | WTI it f a T t*T ^ f e r r TRT t ^ T
spftfa *r s*r n *tott mwu ^ §■1 srfs^rr ?tjr sffar ^ 1 ^r w ^rnr kk %
fSRT fa ff w ST^3T % ^ T P * TtTT ?TT fa r ?ft»r *r5rrir ^r?r m * 1 1 ^
wh: Mtofa ?fa?r »mft ^r *rz *r ^ frT jnSV T|r 1 1
* r r ^ s ft 3r*fa T # ^ 3rq^ spr^T3T? ^rr ^ ^T ^ 6 JTffft,
^ «fr 8 ^ s *r % % =fV% rrt sr4t?r «ft
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fterr f 1 m t srrnrr ?r(t fa*r t$t ^ *T?3fr TKf’T ^ ^ ff«PT ^ ^r??r I
ft srfa 2r 3F^-1 fa %^r f-rWV cr^r srk fa’TRt -Tr *fmr im 'f ^rfr
araw tr *r?ft *fr<r ^r% ^ / 1 st I 1
I ^ tft^t'B T'p p -sW t ^/t ^ f a r $ s*r vrgr^rirjrffrT r^
^ ^ t f t f a s r R ^ f a s it* *r H r* ?rft?r ?tt»t, t<t sren^r ^ wr^-ft I f a ^ r
snr *pt sfr*t 5 3 f*TTT^Tcft q rr^ ?r*r sPTfrzFT 1 1 57f^r €r fefa*rr
« ft,s rr3 r^ i0 5 w r gfrrt 1 rfr ?rrqr ^ r ^ r ?r^ *r% , t o ^rr jt ?w
n ^ r s ftM s o f a ^ f t ^ R p r r ^ .f r ^ ?r\r *t *rjrnrir ^ rr ? n#
^ w ^ k fasrPT »r 10 5 <tt: T t f t qfrf^ ?pr ^ n r w it ^
210^ BHT ? njrjT ^ r ^-qir ^fir?r faqr |
105^ *pt vfRr ^ % vft^fr t t mT *Tf«r?r ^ r fjfairr
^ ?tc?tt v rw i^ rct # wx^rr t m ^ ? ?TP t ?flT *ri^T ^ fsfalJT ft
faSTRf T O R t, 9rf^PT ^ ^ ?rft, 5 t r ^ n x sr^rr % f^ p rs fk ^ f^sr
9Tvnc| 2rr^i^i^<r0r ^ w r | ? I I ^arar i?*rfwrr n^rr ^ s r % *ffi| ^rr
t?: ^ ^rr%r 1 ^ ^ ^ fam | fa s?tt sr^wr *r faorf |,
315 Motion JULY 24, 1974 No-ConfidenceMotion 316

v p p t *$ r mfart # i t w fa s
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11 ***** f*ntf *flp m t ^ tNt w«r
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*rr ^TRffr^r ^ r | i vrk % t ‘ 3rt ^ n r fir<n rg#f ^ r ^ r
#?**$$$ eft *fk m f>Tr i ?rrar ^r s w r ^^rarr i i^ ^ v a r ^ r a r v r ,
<ftr snr vi%5T ^^pt> ?T8% srTTpncf ^frr, <tth‘ ^ f t 'w ^ v rs rv v r
% ctr sfft^rrfr *m ft, s tr tc * ^ ^ ft? T frg i
ft%*rr tff ^t ift * w & ^ tft2 5 ^arrc,
30fSTTT, 3 5 ^anT ^ TT I S p tft T 't t W
f , t o i d ' i ?TRm t o t t| 11 srmt W *f tT K $ Wt*T ^ T ? r | t ^ ,? T T ^ m z
«Rjft Tt, srtft qr *rk w=r*
<n: *rrc ^ rr *ft m ?r$r i r f¥ t>4^i f^r
wtt fcdsrt ^rf % *torf vt ^ s*r fa W r t o *^ # 2 1 ^ ^ v h rr ^ t *R 3 T
*Ht*T*mTTtt I # fft| ^ T O T R ? | c f t ^ T ^ r r w T ^ ^ « r j ^ r irfm infrr

srarr *rsft jj^t % ^ *r£ i f ^ 3ft i a m F w ^ft ^ <n:

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^ f t i %fa*r 5^r t$t j TT* ^ =?r?ft { wrr »t?it fe r r ^rnr i srfq?f

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sfo: fjicpft *pff % m*t ^ tt <rm f w t ^ ssrrq' *fft <ftiift,

sprtr' tor t a r ’tut t , %m% v j t t ^ r t i « ftft m « f k ^ r r v n ^ 'm t *s t

^ <mr ftcrr sftr f ,*rifcr <rn?f % n m r ^ n ft i 3^ % ^ N * * ^ r ?ft*ft

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3TRt |?TT?rtT itTftpt fcrfsRT
arforr 7%5r^t arcr «T8$t*r *rrp- wrr t | ^ ^ et^ t «r »rgr ^sftfwrrr i ?r
^ i r t f t f r a r ^ j i n r ’TT i htjt $ ^ t W f f t ?Tcr ^ r TOT
^rTfsr spt w^rfi vt -~r*T3r^T ft ti| , fsr^r 11
m$w v t *rtr z r i- v f w rm te ru spt ?ng m i x itstt w ^ f t | *rpsr
®pt irsarr^r f t ^rrar^ft ?) i «p : t t , ^ *rr»r v k , ^ t ^rr^r ^ f o tft
sprr «tt ?rnr ^ r irsm-^r ? u^V «rr ^ T ir % ^ sf?t ^ c T ^ r ^ ^ rw fV i
?r f^r ^t? % «pt q-^rrf w m ? fk ^ ^ w f apT t » ^*r %
* sr$% ferr 3utrr ^ r t t r t w m i w y i ct^ ssrrtrrft ^rmr ^ % sqrarr m ?r |
^ t ^fr ? p t^ r r ^t*rt i ^ 3TTT 'cs^Tt>^TTn ^nT ®BT*T?T onP *Tj[TT'RWdl
^ T SFT «Tm rr «T «TT ?H ^ T R : ^ ^T5^Tf5 %I f f l p
far ^ r % ^ ?pt srfift, ^ r r f fw r I f% ■%;.^--#«tew
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317 No-Confidence SRAVANA 2, 1890 (SAKA) No-Confidence 318'
Motion Motion
ITTOT ^ ? fa ^ *fRT W f c t I 3wr^ wr^r % s*n% ^ srarr'
3W #TT JT^TT $ft TOT t »refV «r 1 ^ 5ttt *rnrr ?ft srrf <=rr*r
^ TOJ ft T O l t SRWISlf ar^r ft, *?r «ft p r
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w fr 1t
*? tft 1 *rr$ar q r mq- ’Erf^mr % srRrr^r *pt «rr?7
w t W ^nrnsnr, ft *ft «r+«r$ ^ ?rft eft srarFT*ftft «ft wtvr Sf, «nrc
% s fp t tffiT arrcifoff % tfro *rrs ^5t jfrf^rf ^ t ?ft ^dHr t *ftr
api% OTT JT^W *Rf ^rarRTT $ f e ft ^m r 5rf, f*rrft ift f r o ^ t
ifrt fa* 1 * qrr ft ft<TT | fa f t ^rnnft 1 ^ r rwr^fr, ^rar wi
^ «FT?T 11 t e n r ^ ......... (w o t w ) ..........
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vrc ^ ^rnr ¥t ft 5ifr vasrr
**ift % Tte; qnr *pt
* ft w 1 tft ?ft sr %r%^rv & m * ft i ^ ^
ssr itT f < m *rft, <jfarcr ft ottt *nrr 1 «F^TT^cTTgf^P^ 5T?TcTr% ^f t
sr^r % ft v g rfv ^ f t x <r^ ft m *i 5fW f %f5Pt *HT # f^H?ft
W T^T O T T | far ft * t £ f t ? ft *W T *p t ?rft %, yR^nr ^nFftv^ t • • •
frrft 3llf iftt ®ite ^ ft* srw 1 «it * * qr«itT (^ft^rm) :
^ 3rn?ft site ft 1 urnr vt *ns $torr ^ ?t srnc ^ r k ft ^ |
« t r ft ^rrr jt^tt q^r «rranr ^rmpft % sfta t, *rc ftft ’f^crt
arm ^farr^rfar^rft^ saw 25*rds t ft? 3^r ft gft^r *incf, ^ ft§
*qft % sfp sift nft % vrnr $ft ^ t t |, ?ik * *ft ^rr g—^
^ppt vsFTrfw % f^rq; 1 # w t ^TTT=??TRf5Tf# 11 ^ ®Tsft'TOT
sfte m^r arr^rrr ft tfSr ^ 1 1 TOTt ff f% STSTFT»f^t ^t %^cfWiT
Sfftf ^PTf ^ 11 ^T% f ^ w ^ r ^ ?pt5f“TO^ t, ^ ^cTT|?flr
3TPT? ft »ft fRfrW 5fT # I . . .
sra?r if w z m x ^r *rw?r ft ft («**SH) . . . .
^rrr $r ^ ?r^rr g fo «lt 3T^5TTfa* : ^T?T*R^
* 5*? w f t jfr »i*?t *r t & ^t ^ r f^Tft t tfte fsr^r ft ^fnrff
TFfr^V fairra^ ft ststh *reft ftff £ 1 itft cRF|fw 5TT I—STfrrj^pfW
fljte ^ *T*«\ 5Tf^ ^TSft^fT THT, 1 1 irr^r ft' ft^ crrel E^ frw r w r t
^rf^r 5TiTT»m fw t w t — sft ^rfr znfT % ft *o& ^ ft ^ r
fifnrr—«fr w(t sr$T ^ ^TF^m^r
sj^pft ^flrsr eft | ^nfl^t ^ r ^ > r f 1 ft Tsrr w §rf^pr ^ t t fft®rft % f^tft
3T* q*P v* n^fnsfr ^ft ?reBTf ^ ft fat&rc feir w , wft % ftift ^
* £ * f ?r w r ^ n T ^rr ?rff m m % t 5^ f?swr w i t f ^ T T % ^jpnw fV
^ ^ ^TcT ^ «R ^ r | ^sr ^t **i^R
« P W l ^ *F tft T W «Tf VT m f W 5,T r^r 1 1 ww
f«ir ^ i v pm y $■ | f% ^ t «rnr % fircfr »ft ^ O T ^ f f t r r f W ^ toth :
^ if t « r m 1« r^ ft arrt ?ft <rftrar 3*T Hl^ft | ST8TH»wft ^ft titK V t
319 No-Confidence Motion JULY 24, 1974 No-Confidence Motion 330

sftnf utt %\m % m forr t o m <Tr*rat ^Fercr <rraT ^ w r | *r ^ «

« t ft wt»r ctt§ *r i ap|iTT— s fa I <HTT 5ft»r ^5T V f S V W
fa *fa ? s r r s $ ; *< ^ *3 rf^ r 1 stF5rrar % fa?rnj gft? %*r, %fa?r fa#r
?sft sF 'j5ft s j f T srrsft srtcfr | ? ik 5ft»ft % fcr 3j% |T t —% srrcrr |
w n ft ? 1t ^ tft Sr «rw 3r*T5rt5R- tpt sft wrr far q?*r ^
srtft ^rsp t ^srr ?r£t t s>faT t srerr t, t w |, ^ft, wr»rf?r
njm *r *ppt * p t * m *t 1 *rsr 5TT STFSTRT ^T f^T ^ ?T?t CSTf f , ^
*r$t ap^r «tt— srsrpT ^ 3ft % * p t %-— ^TRRrr f, ^T^r qrff ip fa?r ^rr^ft %
fa **fat ftr ^ m z % ^r f%?r «ivr t
g^rr *rw r, crafts «?t^t— TO *pt
srt ^ t «ft, «pt SHRI VAYALAR RAVI (Chxraym-
kil) On a point of oider I did not
(sg^Trr) . . want to interrupt tide maiden speech
ft w r r ? f a ^t*r fa rfa s rr ^ f f r m s of the hon. member But he has made
«r ?* f a f a s t o ^t ^ t «ft a very serious allegation against the
Chief Minister of a neighbouring
^ (V srfT % 5err«r T^r ^ i State It has senous implication*
It has gone on record He said in
Hindi—I will repeat it—that Mr
Bansi La] has told the Secretary of
the Congress Committee that he is
5*r % srrm srrsr b*t fe s , thinking of murdenng Jayaprakash
Narayan It is a very scuous alle­
v&t ftrT) &, t ^ r spt ^rr^^rr gation It has gone on record It is
fffT, 3tf <mr T^f | 1 zr% fasst ^ the responsibility of the hon member
q r fartsrt *r=ft % %?mft % qr?r vnf * mrwmking it to prove it It is a base­
less allegation without anv founda­
^rrar^T^tr^sf % w r srrt sptti tion Since it has gone on record
fir ffrti % vr*r *rrt f 1 ^ ^ f w r w r it has to be sub'M.. ntia*ed Other­
wise, it should be expunged
| fa »rer *rfi *-f> ’iu>rr, ^farr»n w r %
sFn^r % *rorf w^r | fa ^pt- SHRI S A SHAMIM (Snnagar):
s R r n r iT R m v t *pt ^ n m r ?T He did n°t say that he was present
at that meeting H*> said ‘I have
^ t I 1 ’TPTTirr «jte*r (bi^pir) received a letter to this effect’
m r ^ srrer ? ?fr t
^ ? r r g fa ^rsr^nFr Jnrnm *r. spi SHRI VAYALAR RAVI* Mr.
Charan Singh Is conspiring against
fa ^ ft % ’Tpqr *t<t snc^T, Jayaprakash Naravan There is a
m f o f t 1 wiR s*T fc r ^ i ?t 5?t% report tinat Charan Smgh is trying to
f a i r s ’ fa r r eft fa?r^T? fsrrr do it.
3r^R % ?r$t w% farr s n w 1
v s TO ^t m t tft grcT g f eft ^>t *rt *ft Tr*? «n w ( w *TT*r) *
3WRTT W ? <1*T ^Tft ?»ft I *r?r?pFrf77T, $ srrr 5**reprr «nrr-
t o t o ^rrrm 3ft ^ft faf?»ft ^ r f t frur STTrfr ? fa 3ft %
f^ ft g^rct ?*r t c ? ^t mfasr ^t wpfRrr eFsf7 tt% |7 «r irnrr
3PRTT TOT?T?r ^ 1 w |^ f ^
a r t ft a prrW sft q r
:5n^rr ^ fa wt?r qr?f *Ft v& m «ft «rr ifftf ?rrfa*r aR ^ | fa*r ^
^ ;r ^t ^ ^ | < gft5 ft»r «rnrc<nt<r K w fa , *w
321 No-Confidence SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKiD No-Confidence 322
Motion Motion
VWW *TKW «r gflr *ft arrcr v&tit %#(V ^rrfipt 3*r % TO^ft
«fM *rfa tfr«n r m v tg t sr*rrf*rcr ^ r ? m a r R w pt * f k «r»n:
w&m fir r % * t f a * aft % <?w ^ <1^ trt ^rrsr eft ^/T % f t R P P
wwr t — ^ r m fa rr# Sr %sr f a r ftfr 1 ^ ^ %
W , *T$ »T5T<T | <T*ft $ , CT5 & * * f c q T * ^ to * <r<^ fs r ^ r ^ ^ rm
t » ^ xsm ^ r ^ T R t-T r r q w r l
«> «c* v « f j (T n r^ ) : fa*r fa tf* ^ r * ^ r farfiT 'fa r £t
aft w f t < r *ftr * * o h ^ r eft * * r ^ t h r ^ r x t ^et ^ t ?rqr* 3?tt
| fa t ^ ^ r n r w«ttxt I ^r W9K ^ * . .. ( w r w ^ ) ....................
q ;v sra t art % «rw w r r | i « 0 ! [v < f w w w t (^ tt) :
«r*n: * t <t * r r f ?ft * g?r * »r§ v ^ r r * fJT f c r *r^t fa<ft ?t fa ff t a r fa r
3 * w?r «r?t iw rtr*rm % ^ ij ^ ^ | 1 srrsr f t ^
^ w ^ r w . . («w r? r).. tm 5T3T ^ T T O t ?TT?rr W S Z f * ^ ^
tfV t f o v r r o (a r^ T T ^ ) : ?ft «ft wrw ' f w N ^ r ^nr
mrrafer aft, *?rc*r | fa aft «rfar *nr fmr m fa «ft q rr^ fr^ ^ ^ r
%$ t o * *t# $t— *t % ?# f 1 ^ t r f ? fR ^
$ ftor * jtt *f«ft * ,3 * * % STRtT 5T»T^ 3|T% | I fsm ^ ^
fa?rro> * t f ?F3rr*r sto-ht m fasn 3pt % ^%<sr fa q r t * f a ^ft»rf
v t wr c r v ^ r r a rt ^= PFtv$ 5 m ftvr v t ^ft fa?rr 1 1 t srr^rff ^ f a m wft
$>, ^ r * t *r$r *f$t m % i *sr vx w s rn r *tVt ^nr fa
fa* t v^ctsr v m $ fa w k | ^ | t | trr ?r|t,
< ftm * t ***** *F77% *PT *n%ST S' I ¥* ^ ^ r a r f t |W t ? rf^ -----
(m t^w tw ) —
«ft m xt*n «TT®i* (’rtar-
$0: *TT i-Jsft aft?** fa*r 3ft 17.50 hrs.
$ fa to sn«?r gw % vfrt [Mr. Deputy-S peker in the Chair]
«r$*n$ift ^ f fa to srfa- SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA
v r M r % «rw , <$ $ TO t 9ft w *ft w r (Begusarai): The point of order re­
lates to a letter which is said to
t-n p r m tit <rfe # «r ^ ? i wr have been written by some person in
*r*n: to | ?rt **r tit fanfrgift Haryana stating that there is a cons­
piracy to kill Shri Jayaprakash
^ r ^ t %^ft tT¥*ft, f®rtfa * ^
Narayan. It is has been alleged that
•rfa t % ^ * ^r ^ r * tftforer the Chief Minister of Haryana said
tj^Npr m r ^ ( tft to **ftw?r to the General Secretary of his party
that he is hatching some such cons­
t ............ piracy and it would not be difficult
SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: I can Bay to kill a person like Shri Jayaprakash
that Charan Singh haa written this Narayan. Shri Janeswar Misra made
letter. It is a conspiracy of these this remark during the course of his
fellows, speech to whidh objection has been
taken. If any hon. member receives
•ft w tfttl ^ifTwrw «n * l* : *$ *rfar a letter of that kind, what is his
fir T O % ir$* $, s»**r ^r ^ wt duty in the matter? If unfortunately
( i ^ fa^fer * vm *% t o it comes about and Shri Jayaprakash
Narayan is killed, the person who had
% if ^ %Jfft *$ti( f^ ts rn fr received the letter will be hauled up
1125 u s — u
323 No-Confidence Motion JULY 24/1974 No-Confidence Motion 324
before an enquiry. We had seen that not the hon. Member a responsibility
during the course of the tiral of per­ to enquire into it and authenticate
sons who had killed Mahatma Gandhi, the records before bringing that
$0 many things had 'been brought in, matter here and character is assinat-
the letter to Mr. Jain and things ing several persons and creating so
like that. I think it is the bounden much of tension? When guch Infor­
duty of any hon. member to bring it mation is available, if it is not authen­
before the House. I should have ticated, it should be expunged from
thought that the Government ben­ the proceedings.
ches would have welcomed this in­ SHRI C. M. STEPHEN (Muvattu-
formation. They could, have contra­ puzhe): I take my stand strictly
dicted it the next day. The Govern­ under the rule and I insist that the
ment benches should solemnly con­ rule must be enforced. Rule 353
sider it. I think nobody can prevent
says:
us from bringing such letters to the
notice of the House. We receive so “No allegation of a defamatory
many letters from so many constitu­ or incriminatory 'nature dtaall be
ents and we are bound to bring them made by a member against any
to the notice of the House. So, if person unless the member has given
what the hon. member has said is previous intimation to the Speaker
expunged, it would be a grave in­ and also to the Minister concerned
justice to parliamentary procedure so that the Minister may be able to
and also to the hon. Member who has make an investigation into the
to discharge certain duties. matter for the purpose of a reply:
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I am Provided that the Speaker may
not totally ignorant of what happen­ at any time prohibit any member
ed I was listening to the debate in from making any such allegation if
my room. I think it was Mr. Ravi he is of opinion that such allegation
who raised the point of order. What is derogatory to the dignity of the
exactly he wanted to be done, he did House o» that no public interest is
not make it quite clear. Later on a served by making such allegation.”
submission was made that these re­
marks should be expunged. We My submission is that whatever
dhould not make this point into a Shri Mishra has said will not invali­
mini debate. If we start making too date the point raised by us. You will
many submissions, it becomes a have to decide flistly whethei what
debate within a debate. I am pre­ was said here would amount to an
pared to hear three or four more per­ allegation of an incriminatory nature;
sons and after that I shall give my secondly, whether the plea that he
ruling Let us do it in an orderly received a letter is enough of an ex­
way. I am prepared to hear you all. cuse or a cover to put forth this alle­
Why are you excited? I will not hear gation on the floor of the House and,
those who have already made sub­ thirdly, if an incriminatory or defa­
missions. Let us clarify the issue. matory statement which is not in con­
Let us not throw mud at each other. formity with the rules of the House
The main point is whether all these has been made what exactly is the
things that have been said should be relief to be given. I suppose that to
on record or not. That is the only make a statement that the Chief Min­
point. ister of Haryana is hatching a cons­
DR. HENRY AUSTIN (Frnaku piracy for assassinating k particular
lam)- When an hon. Member re­ person is certainly incriminatory.
ceives information alleging a cons­ That he received an anonymous letter
piracy of the type that was mention­ from somebody will not make it the
ed here, involving persona of the less incriminatory. There are so
stature of Shri Jaiprakash Narayan many sources whereby you Can * get
or the Chief Minister of Haryana, has information. To say that he could
325 No-Confldenee SRAVANA 2 , 1896 (SAKA) No-Confidence 326
Motion Motion
not get* the source would not give Therefore, in the interest of proper
him the right to air it on the floor of functioning of Parliament, this sort
the House, except in conformity wiLi
of a thing should not be allowed.
the ‘ procedure that is specifically sti­
pulated in the rule. He made a state­
ment in violation of that. Therefore, This is a very serious matter. I
that should not be allowed to remain would request you to see that the
in the records of this House under the rules of procedure of the House are
rules. The expunction is not merely
of what he h$s stated but the entire p.operly followed and that these
statement where this allegation is things are not allowed, and the person
directly or indirectly put forth so a'Tected is protected.
that the records of the House would
not carry a single word whidh may
indicate that an allegation has been
made on the door of the House I ^ rto wsnff (srm T) .*
want a ruling on that point of order. W'Tir ^ I fo v r f m * *
t o mm & fcsm ^ | znrn *
18 hrs.
TOT ^ # SFffT | STTW
SHRI 11. K. L. BHAGAT (East
Delhi); Mr. Stephen ha»s quoted irrcm srt# «rr qrr
inr relevant rule. This is not an W n*r t w 1 1 tT3f7 £
uulinary matte.r; this is a very seri-
matter. The most serious charge sroriT m 5 1
haj> been made by the hon. Member,
Shri Janeshwar Misra He was say­
ing that he had received a letter and. w «Ff
therefore, it was his duty to bring it
to tht- notice of the House. It is amaz­ * STK * ?iV[
ing for me to hear that any letter
which i»j absolutely without any
bisis should be read out m the House It is just to revive their memory.
without verifying it. It was the first Thib is what happened in the House.
duty of Mr. Misru, if he has received
the* letter of the kmd, to satisfy him­ I read eut a letter which was written
self and then hand it over to the by someone. He wrote that he will
police; In this (House, if a Member be lulled because he did not support
makes a defamntqry and incrimina­
ctf.U-go-haLia. movement The Speaker
tory allegation—-this House is open to
the presa-c-fhe damage is done. What allowed me. I read out the letter.
happens to thf person affected? If (Interruptions) .
you allow this House to develop into
what it is developing, any person can The Speaker, in his wisdom re­
get up and say anything, ferred the entire matter to the Home
Minister and he wsa given protection.
There are certain rules and restric­ There are several instances like this.
tions on the Members’ right to speak Here he has read out a letter. I do
in the Hou^o We rreeive hundreds of not agree with the piJitics of Mr.
anonymous letters. If we try to do Jayaprakash Narayan. But the point
what he has dpne, there will be no is this. The statement which has been
end to it I would say that the alleged made by the hon. Member on the
letter has been written, obviously, basis of some information may be right
with a political motive. It is a conspi­ or wrong. It should not be expunged
racy to create a fabricated allegation now. It should come on record. An
327 No-Confidence Motion JULY 24, 1874 No-Confidenee Motion 328

investigation should be made and if given previous intimation to the

the letter is false or fabricated or Speaker and also to the Minister
is meant for political purposes, then concerned so that the Minister may
he will face the consequences. If it be able to make an investigation
is true, it will stand. I would re­ into the matter for the purpose of
quest you not to expunge this in a reply.”
the larger interest of Parliamentary
democracy.
Then there is a provision.
I would also like to point out that
often names are mentined in this “Provided that the Speaker may
House by Ministers or members of at any time prohibit any member
those outside, of those who are not from making any such allegation if
here to defend themselves. I would he is of opinion that such allega­
request them not to mention such tion is derogatory to the dignity of
names since this is a consequence of the House.”
that.
SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH “ — or that no public interest is
(Pupri): Sir, I want to make a sub­ served by making such allegation."
mission. ... Now, there are two aspects of it here.
The first is prohibition that this kind
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: We of a defamatory statement should not
have heard enough. There is no more be made. But despite everything,—I
fresh point. Please sit down. I think, am not saying defamatory or not—
all the points that are to be submit­ despite everything the statement has
ted have been made. If you want to been made by Mr. Mishra and it has
convert this into a mini-debate, it is been strongly refuted, strongly con­
left to the pleasure of the House. tradicted from this side—both sides
AN HON. MEMBER: Two more are there. Now the only thing that
from here is open to the Speaker is that if *
Member makes a statement and he
MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Two continues after he has prohibited him,
more from here, two more from there, then only he comes in and can say
if it goes on like this, it becomes a now that I have prohibited you, you
mini-debate (Interruptions) Order, cannot continue and from that point
please. Whenever Pandeji speaks, I onwards whatever is said will not
am attracted by him, more particu­ form part of the record. But what­
larly by his beautiful moustache ever has been said before in spite of
Will you kindly keep quiet for some efforts, once it has been said, it forms
time? part of the record. This is the inter-
pretation of this Rule. And, I think
The limited question is whether Mr. Stephen, if you read this rule
what Mr Janeshwar Mishra had said very carefully you will see that the
and everything that the members have scope of the Speaker is limited only
said after that relating to this should after he has prohibited. That is
form part of the record or not. That about this rule----
is the point. Now I will first go by
the rules. Mr. Stephen has drawn
SHRI A. P. SHARMA (Buxar): Not
my attention to two rules: one is 353
and the other is 380. I will first go from that point of view. (Interrup­
to rule 353 which reads like this: tions)

“No allegation of a defamatory MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Order

or incriminatory nature shall be please. Why are you getting excited?
made by a member against any I know that the Chairman has not
person unless the member has prohibited and, therefore, whatever
329 No-Confidence SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) No-Confidence 330
Motion Motion
has been said under this Rule cannot SHRI K. LAKKAPPA; The term
be expunged.. <Interruptions). ‘Khaneka Bacha’ ig defamatory and
derogatory. ,. (Interruptions).
SHRI C. HI STEPHEN: The point of
order raised was... SHRI G. VISWANATHAN: : They
say that the entire speech should be
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I am expunged.
giving the interpretation of the rules.
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now, I
Now, I come to Rule 380 —
would like to refresh the memory of
SHRI C. M. STEPHEN; If you the Members of what happened only
permit me, before you go toJtule 380, yesterday. I read in the papers and
the point of order raised is that he records—correct me if I am wrong—
has violated this rule. I want a ruling and it was published in the papers
on that point of order whether he has this morning. One of the speakers in
violated the rule or not. Then, we the debate—I need not name him—had
come to relief... (Interruptions) made very strong statements relating
to the Prime Minister herself yester­
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now, I day. Allegation was 'made that Rs.
come to Rule 380. It says: One crore was brought to her resi­
dence because of the consent...
“If the Speaker is of opinion that
words have been used in debate SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Don’t
which are defamatory or indecent or mention it, Sir, it will again come on
unparliamentary or undignified, he record...
may, in hw discretion, order that
such words he expunged from the MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: It is
proceedings of the House.” already in the papers. It came out in
all the national papers.
Let us come there......
SHRI G. VISHWANATHAN: No
SHRI K. LAKKAPPA (Tumkur): objection wao taken. (Interruptions).
You use your discretion and expunge
it. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Order
please. He said, with the rise in the
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I will take price of the cars—as a result of that—
the first of the first part, to use my so much money has been brought and
discretion but my discretion also will all that. Now, will the House mot
be the discretion of all of us. consider whether an uncorroborated
statement like that—because, in any
We have to consider.... .
case it was a statement made, and no
PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Also proof had been produced. (Interrup­
the discretion of the earlier Chairman. tions) Why don’t you listen to me?
Order please. When I finish perhaps
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now, the you will be the happiest person. Why
question is: if the Chair, in its dis­ do you get excited? Now, in respect
cretion, thinks that these words are of that kind of uncorroborated state­
defamatory, indecent, unparliamentary ment—I would put it to the House—
and undignified, he may expunge. whether it may be considered as
defamatory or not. (Interruptions)
SHRI C. M. STEPHEN: It is not Order please, please sit down.
‘and', it is ‘or’. *or\ SHRI G. VISHWANATHAN; No­
body objected from that side.
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Perhaps
you ase right, it is “or” . Net all of SHRI BHAGWAT JHA AZAD
them together, any one of them. (Bhagalpur): That thing is not before
331 No-Confidence Motion JULY 24, 1974 No^Confideuve Motion 33a

tht: House. That was what happened SHRI C. H. MOHAMMED KOYA

yesterday. You can give your ruling (Manjeri): Mr. Stephen is not the
about what happened today. But Speaker. Mr. Speaker should give his
please do not put that statement of ruling. You see the pitiable condi­
Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu which happened tion of the Deputy-Speaker—he is still
yesterday You need not do that. standing.
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER; Now you
Dr. HENRY AUSTIN: It was some will please hear me. I had said ?that
other issue; today it is not relevant. every Me’mber of this House has to
apeak with a great sense of responsi­
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I will bility. And unless and until he has
hear you all again, but kindly hear completely satisfied himself that any
me in peace Please sit down. That statement that he makes has a basis
statement yesterday was allowed to go of truth, he should not make that
on record. statement and any unsubstantiated
statement of whatever nature is of a
SHRI G. VISWANATHAN; N obodv defamatory character.
challenged it.
Now you will say ‘yes’ but, some
MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Kindly time ago, ybu all Shouted. Now,
sit down Let me finish. knidly sit down When the Speaker,
in his disci etion, decides that a certain
SHRI BHAGWAT JHA AZAD; Wo allegation is, of a defamatory nature
want t0 hear you only on this part and when that decision is taken, we
which has arisen today. Yesteiday have also to hear in mind the kind of
you were not there We have not 1 epercussion, whatever decision is
ar,ked for your decision on that state­ taken here, that it has on the country,
ment of yesterday. Wo have asked oi thp nati<n and on the minds of the
you about what happened today only people That ha*1? to be taken into
consideration.
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I am
coming to that Please resume your Therefore, I think that this House
seat. Order please. should make own decision here with
extreme seriousness I would, there­
Please sit down. And listen to mo fore, appeal to you sincerely to listen
I am going to hear you to what I say; you mny or may not
agree Now, here, an allegation has
According to me, any unsubstan­ been made, a letter has been read by
tiated allegation of a serious nature Mr Janeshwar Mishra .
against a n y person in high authority
—there is nobody in higher authority SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Copy of
than the Prime Minister—is of a the letter.
defamatory character.. ..
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER- Or a copy
SHRI C. M. STEPHEN: No, Sir. of the letter has been read by him*.
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Why SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: It is
don’t you understand me? addressed to Government
MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER: What­
SHRI C. M. STEPHEN: On a subs­
ever it is, he has read a letter.
tantive motion, that allegation was
made. Under Rule 353, no allegation AN HON. MEMBER: He did not
shall be made . (Interruptions). read but he referred to it.
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Mr. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: It may
Stephen, will you kindly sit down? be that he referred to it, I was not
333 No-Confidence SRAVANA 2, 1896 (SAKA) No-Confidence 334
Motion Motion
here and to I am not sure. 1 do not PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I
Know because I was not here. It may had said also that that is why the
be lhai he read it or it may be that mercury goes up.
he read it or it may be that he refer­
red to it. But the meaning 01 it was
that a certain conspiracy was hatched
in which the name of the Chief ivU. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The
Minister of Haryana was mentioned. question is whether we would like
mis House to act really as an instru­
SHKI PILOO MOD*; Miserable ment oi the nation which it should be,
fellow. 4 to reflect what is happening in this
nation, right from the people who are
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER; . . . . that &ome oi: the most intellectual in the
the respected leader Shri Jaya Prakash world down to people who do not
Narayan will be done away with. That know how to read and write, whether
is the meaning of what he^said, and we would like this House to be a
that has been strongly refuted.. sensitive instrument to mea»3ure the
.nood of the nation, and whether we
SHRI C. M. STEPHEN: How can
would like this House to serve that
we refute? We cannot refute. We
purpose and to impress upon the
object to that. We do not refute.
people of this nation that whatever be
How can we?
their difficulties, whether their diffi­
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I shall culties are solved or not, at least this
quote the words of Mr. H. K. L. II 'use is sensitive to their problems7
Bhagat just now. He said ‘This is a Or would we like the House to be
fabricated conspn acy’. Those are the used as a kind of sledge-hammer so
words of Mr. Bhagat. They aie on that whatever happens in this country
recoid and 1 am repeating it. Those may be tamped down and must be
are his words. Mr Bhagat has nodded suppressed’ I would like hon. Mem­
his consent that he said this that this bers to consider what should be the
is a fabricated conspiracy. real role of this Houoe.

SHRI K P. UNNIKR1SHNAN
(Badagara); But the point of order is We are living in convulsive times.
on something else. The times are changing in the country.
The question is whether we should
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER; If that is reflect that and whether we (should
not refutation, then I do not under­ measure that or not. Now, things are
stand what refutation is. It has been happening in this country. Shri Jaya
strongly refuted by the Members of Prakash Narayan is involved in a
the ruling party with a big majority, movement, rightly or wrongly, it is a
and there have been s'rong protests matter of opinion; many people think
against it that this is utterly false and that it is not right. These things are
that is a fabrication. They have said there and have been mentioned. Many
that. kinds of things may happen or may
not happen. A certain thing has been
Now, I would like hon. Members to said and objection has been raised I
consider the role of this House. I had think even if we say that it will go
said on more than one occasion that out of the record, it means that only
this House is not only a reflection of the papers cannot publish it, but
the country but it is also a barometer. people can talk about it that thin thing
It registers the moods in the country has happened here, and this can be
and it recisters the kinds of tensions done by word of ‘mouth.
and other things that happen in the Therefore, according to me, an
country and they find a reflection here allegation has ben made, a wild
335 No-Confidence Motion JULY 24, 1974 No-Confidence Motion 336

unsubstantiated allegation has been SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA:

made, and it has been refuted very For investigation by Government.
strongly.
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I feel
SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA that this House as a responsible body,
Not only allegation, but grave infor­ should take note of all these things.
mation has been given. These things have been alleged. This
kind of information has been passed
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER. Yes—put on. The House should take note of
it that way—information which has it. The Government should take
not been investigated. note of it. Everything is on record. I
do not think that anything should be
SHRI C. M. STEPHEN: Are you expunged.
giving your ruling or givmg your
personal opinion? The House stands adjourned till
11 00 A.M. tomorrow.
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I am
giving my ruling I will finish it now. 18.33 hrs
Information which has not been sub­
stantiated has been given Therefore, The Lok Sabha then adjourned till
there is no difference between infor­ Eleven of the Clock on Thursday,
mation and allegation. July 25, 1974/Sravana 3, 1896 (Saka).

GMGIPND—1125 LS—L—978