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september17@[Link] on behalf of grimwomyn september17@[Link] RE: [september17discuss] Bloomberg and 15-October Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

Sounds great... google "privately owned public space nyc" and a list pops up... midtown would be great.... Also finding foreclosed properties would not be a bad idea On Oct 10, 2011 4:17 PM, "Xavier Acarin" <xaviacarin@[Link]> wrote:
Would it be possible to occupy indoors private-public use spaces around Manhattan for the winter season? Would it be interesting to occupy all 5th ave from Washington Sq. to Central park for the 15-October action? (the avenue will then be use as thermometer displaying how much people is involved and would symbolically have an effect) x.

Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 [Link] -0400 Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Bloomberg is letting the occupation stay indefinitely!!! From: grimwomyn@[Link] To: september17@[Link] Terrific-- now to get thousands of these: [Link] before winter really starts..... :) On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 3:34 PM, David DeGraw <David@[Link]> wrote: FYI -------- Original Message --------

Subject:Re: Harmony (epic win!) Date:Mon, 10 Oct 2011 [Link] +0000 From:fionda@[Link] Reply-To:fionda@[Link] To:shar@[Link],"Dylan Ratigan" <dylanratigan@[Link]>,"Alphonzo Terrell" <[Link]@[Link]>,"Brendan Crane" <[Link]@[Link]>,"Calvin Roy" <calvinroy8@[Link]>,"Chris Richards" <chriswillrichards@[Link]>,"Craig Bethel" <[Link]@[Link]>,"David DeGraw" <AmpedStatus@[Link]>,"goldinyc@[Link]" <goldinyc@[Link]>,"Luke" <revolutionchl@[Link]>,"Megan Robertson" <[Link]@[Link]>,"Occupier Jason" <[Link]@[Link]>,"Occupier Lopi"
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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

<[Link]@[Link]>,"Sean Kleier" <stkleier@[Link]>,"Stolleremail" <stoller@[Link]>,"Catherine Hess" <hessca@[Link]>

Bloomberg is letting the occupation stay indefinitely!!! GET THE EVEREST BASE CAMP READY! [Link] joseph j. fionda - 201.306.2548 From: shar@[Link] Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 [Link] +0000 To: Dylan Ratigan<dylanratigan@[Link]>; Alphonzo Terrell<[Link]@[Link]>; Brendan Crane<[Link]@[Link]>; Calvin Roy<calvinroy8@[Link]>; Chris Richards<chriswillrichards@[Link]>; Craig Bethel<[Link]@[Link]>; David DeGraw<AmpedStatus@[Link]>; goldinyc@[Link]<goldinyc@[Link]>; Joe Fionda<fionda@[Link]>; Luke<revolutionchl@[Link]>; Megan Robertson<[Link]@[Link]>; Occupier Jason<[Link]@[Link]>; Occupier Lopi<[Link]@[Link]>; Sean Kleier<stkleier@[Link]>; Stolleremail<stoller@[Link]> ReplyTo: shar@[Link] Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: Harmony I, like all of us, could write a list many miles long (and what articulate, well thoughtout, incredibly well stated replys/lists I have read). Essentially it comes down to making the best choices, and reversing the 'wrong' choices, for the greatest good of 100% of humanity; there may not be an even remotely apparent way to please 100% of the people 100% of the time, but having the intention to do so is a start... (A delayed response due to technical issues, but time will not end after the meeting) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From: Dylan Ratigan <dylanratigan@[Link]> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 [Link] -0400 To: Alphonzo Terrell<[Link]@[Link]>; Brendan Crane<[Link]@[Link]>; Calvin Roy<calvinroy8@[Link]>; Chris Richards<chriswillrichards@[Link]>; Craig Bethel<[Link]@[Link]>; David DeGraw<AmpedStatus@[Link]>; goldinyc@[Link]<goldinyc@[Link]>; Joe Fionda<fionda@[Link]>; Luke<revolutionchl@[Link]>; Megan Robertson<[Link]@[Link]>; Occupier Jason<[Link]@[Link]>; Occupier Lopi<[Link]@[Link]>; Sean Kleier<stkleier@[Link]>; shar<shar@[Link]>; Stolleremail<stoller@[Link]> Subject: Harmony Hope you all are good. I'm taking the petition with 140,000 after 8 days as a USB drive to initiate a public conversation with Senator Durbin tomorrow midday. about outlawing private money's ability to purchase the government. He has been pushing this for many years. We are also going to announce the formation of the Get Money Out Foundation. I intend to ask for his response to the rapidly-spreading Occupation Movement. Are there grievances you have that I can express to him? Pls advise, --

Coming Soon

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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Xavier Acarin september17@[Link] RE: [september17discuss] Bloomberg and 15-October Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

Would it be possible to occupy indoors private-public use spaces around Manhattan for the winter season? Would it be interesting to occupy all 5th ave from Washington Sq. to Central park for the 15-October action? (the avenue will then be use as thermometer displaying how much people is involved and would symbolically have an effect) x.

Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 [Link] -0400 Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Bloomberg is letting the occupation stay indefinitely!!! From: grimwomyn@[Link] To: september17@[Link] Terrific-- now to get thousands of these: [Link] before winter really starts..... :) On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 3:34 PM, David DeGraw <David@[Link]> wrote: FYI -------- Original Message --------

Subject:Re: Harmony (epic win!) Date:Mon, 10 Oct 2011 [Link] +0000 From:fionda@[Link] Reply-To:fionda@[Link] To:shar@[Link],"Dylan Ratigan" <dylanratigan@[Link]>,"Alphonzo Terrell" <[Link]@[Link]>,"Brendan Crane" <[Link]@[Link]>,"Calvin Roy" <calvinroy8@[Link]>,"Chris Richards" <chriswillrichards@[Link]>,"Craig Bethel" <[Link]@[Link]>,"David DeGraw" <AmpedStatus@[Link]>,"goldinyc@[Link]" <goldinyc@[Link]>,"Luke" <revolutionchl@[Link]>,"Megan Robertson" <[Link]@[Link]>,"Occupier Jason" <[Link]@[Link]>,"Occupier Lopi" <[Link]@[Link]>,"Sean Kleier" <stkleier@[Link]>,"Stolleremail" <stoller@[Link]>,"Catherine Hess" <hessca@[Link]>
Bloomberg is letting the occupation stay indefinitely!!! GET THE EVEREST BASE CAMP READY! [Link] joseph j. fionda - 201.306.2548

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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

From: shar@[Link] Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 [Link] +0000 To: Dylan Ratigan<dylanratigan@[Link]>; Alphonzo Terrell<[Link]@[Link]>; Brendan Crane<[Link]@[Link]>; Calvin Roy<calvinroy8@[Link]>; Chris Richards<chriswillrichards@[Link]>; Craig Bethel<[Link]@[Link]>; David DeGraw<AmpedStatus@[Link]>; goldinyc@[Link]<goldinyc@[Link]>; Joe Fionda<fionda@[Link]>; Luke<revolutionchl@[Link]>; Megan Robertson<[Link]@[Link]>; Occupier Jason<[Link]@[Link]>; Occupier Lopi<[Link]@[Link]>; Sean Kleier<stkleier@[Link]>; Stolleremail<stoller@[Link]> ReplyTo: shar@[Link] Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: Harmony I, like all of us, could write a list many miles long (and what articulate, well thought-out, incredibly well stated replys/lists I have read). Essentially it comes down to making the best choices, and reversing the 'wrong' choices, for the greatest good of 100% of humanity; there may not be an even remotely apparent way to please 100% of the people 100% of the time, but having the intention to do so is a start... (A delayed response due to technical issues, but time will not end after the meeting) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From: Dylan Ratigan <dylanratigan@[Link]> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 [Link] -0400 To: Alphonzo Terrell<[Link]@[Link]>; Brendan Crane<[Link]@[Link]>; Calvin Roy<calvinroy8@[Link]>; Chris Richards<chriswillrichards@[Link]>; Craig Bethel<[Link]@[Link]>; David DeGraw<AmpedStatus@[Link]>; goldinyc@[Link]<goldinyc@[Link]>; Joe Fionda<fionda@[Link]>; Luke<revolutionchl@[Link]>; Megan Robertson<[Link]@[Link]>; Occupier Jason<[Link]@[Link]>; Occupier Lopi<[Link]@[Link]>; Sean Kleier<stkleier@[Link]>; shar<shar@[Link]>; Stolleremail<stoller@[Link]> Subject: Harmony Hope you all are good. I'm taking the petition with 140,000 after 8 days as a USB drive to initiate a public conversation with Senator Durbin tomorrow midday. about outlawing private money's ability to purchase the government. He has been pushing this for many years. We are also going to announce the formation of the Get Money Out Foundation. I intend to ask for his response to the rapidly-spreading Occupation Movement. Are there grievances you have that I can express to him? Pls advise, --

Coming Soon

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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Bailey McCann september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Bloomberg and 15-October Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

Not to sound like a party pooper and I don't aspire to frostbite but we will lose significant visual impact moving indoors. On Oct 10, 2011, at 4:58 PM, "Jackie DiSalvo" <jdisalvo@[Link]> wrote: One thing the unions could do to support us is find us an indoor space. Occupy indefinitely!
From: september17@[Link] [[Link] On Behalf Of grimwomyn Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 4:53 PM To: september17@[Link] Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Bloomberg and 15-October

Sounds great... google "privately owned public space nyc" and a list pops up... midtown would be great.... Also finding foreclosed properties would not be a bad idea On Oct 10, 2011 4:17 PM, "Xavier Acarin" <xaviacarin@[Link]> wrote:
Would it be possible to occupy indoors private-public use spaces around Manhattan for the winter season? Would it be interesting to occupy all 5th ave from Washington Sq. to Central park for the 15-October action? (the avenue will then be use as thermometer displaying how much people is involved and would symbolically have an effect) x.

Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 [Link] -0400 Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Bloomberg is letting the occupation stay indefinitely!!! From: grimwomyn@[Link] To: september17@[Link] Terrific-- now to get thousands of these: [Link] before winter really starts..... :) On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 3:34 PM, David DeGraw <David@[Link]> wrote: FYI

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Subject:Re: Harmony (epic win!) Date:Mon, 10 Oct 2011 [Link] +0000 From:fionda@[Link] Reply-To:fionda@[Link] To:shar@[Link],"Dylan Ratigan" <dylanratigan@[Link]>,"Alphonzo Terrell" <[Link]@[Link]>,"Brendan Crane" <[Link]@[Link]>,"Calvin Roy" <calvinroy8@[Link]>,"Chris Richards" <chriswillrichards@[Link]>,"Craig Bethel" <[Link]@[Link]>,"David DeGraw" <AmpedStatus@[Link]>,"goldinyc@[Link]" <goldinyc@[Link]>,"Luke" <revolutionchl@[Link]>,"Megan Robertson" <[Link]@[Link]>,"Occupier Jason" <[Link]@[Link]>,"Occupier Lopi" <[Link]@[Link]>,"Sean Kleier" <stkleier@[Link]>,"Stolleremail" <stoller@[Link]>,"Catherine Hess" <hessca@[Link]>
Bloomberg is letting the occupation stay indefinitely!!! GET THE EVEREST BASE CAMP READY! [Link] joseph j. fionda - 201.306.2548 From: shar@[Link] Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 [Link] +0000 To: Dylan Ratigan<dylanratigan@[Link]>; Alphonzo Terrell<[Link]@[Link]>; Brendan Crane<[Link]@[Link]>; Calvin Roy<calvinroy8@[Link]>; Chris Richards<chriswillrichards@[Link]>; Craig Bethel<[Link]@[Link]>; David DeGraw<AmpedStatus@[Link]>; goldinyc@[Link]<goldinyc@[Link]>; Joe Fionda<fionda@[Link]>; Luke<revolutionchl@[Link]>; Megan Robertson<[Link]@[Link]>; Occupier Jason<[Link]@[Link]>; Occupier Lopi<[Link]@[Link]>; Sean Kleier<stkleier@[Link]>; Stolleremail<stoller@[Link]> ReplyTo: shar@[Link] Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: Harmony I, like all of us, could write a list many miles long (and what articulate, well thought-out, incredibly well stated replys/lists I have read). Essentially it comes down to making the best choices, and reversing the 'wrong' choices, for the greatest good of 100% of humanity; there may not be an even remotely apparent way to please 100% of the people 100% of the time, but having the intention to do so is a start... (A delayed response due to technical issues, but time will not end after the meeting) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From: Dylan Ratigan <dylanratigan@[Link]> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 [Link] -0400 To: Alphonzo Terrell<[Link]@[Link]>; Brendan Crane<[Link]@[Link]>; Calvin Roy<calvinroy8@[Link]>; Chris Richards<chriswillrichards@[Link]>; Craig Bethel<[Link]@[Link]>; David DeGraw<AmpedStatus@[Link]>; goldinyc@[Link]<goldinyc@[Link]>; Joe Fionda<fionda@[Link]>; Luke<revolutionchl@[Link]>; Megan Robertson<[Link]@[Link]>; Occupier Jason<[Link]@[Link]>; Occupier Lopi<[Link]@[Link]>; Sean Kleier<stkleier@[Link]>; shar<shar@[Link]>; Stolleremail<stoller@[Link]>

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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Subject: Harmony Hope you all are good. I'm taking the petition with 140,000 after 8 days as a USB drive to initiate a public conversation with Senator Durbin tomorrow midday. about outlawing private money's ability to purchase the government. He has been pushing this for many years. We are also going to announce the formation of the Get Money Out Foundation. I intend to ask for his response to the rapidly-spreading Occupation Movement. Are there grievances you have that I can express to him? Pls advise, --

Coming Soon

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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@[Link] RE: [september17discuss] Bloomberg and 15-October Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

One thing the unions could do to support us is find us an indoor space. Occupy indefinitely!
From: september17@[Link] [[Link] On Behalf Of grimwomyn Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 4:53 PM To: september17@[Link] Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Bloomberg and 15-October

Sounds great... google "privately owned public space nyc" and a list pops up... midtown would be great.... Also finding foreclosed properties would not be a bad idea On Oct 10, 2011 4:17 PM, "Xavier Acarin" <xaviacarin@[Link]> wrote:
Would it be possible to occupy indoors private-public use spaces around Manhattan for the winter season? Would it be interesting to occupy all 5th ave from Washington Sq. to Central park for the 15-October action? (the avenue will then be use as thermometer displaying how much people is involved and would symbolically have an effect) x.

Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 [Link] -0400 Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Bloomberg is letting the occupation stay indefinitely!!! From: grimwomyn@[Link] To: september17@[Link] Terrific-- now to get thousands of these: [Link] before winter really starts..... :) On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 3:34 PM, David DeGraw <David@[Link]> wrote: FYI -------- Original Message --------

Subject:Re: Harmony (epic win!) Date:Mon, 10 Oct 2011 [Link] +0000 From:fionda@[Link] Reply-To:fionda@[Link] To:shar@[Link],"Dylan Ratigan" <dylanratigan@[Link]>,"Alphonzo Terrell" <[Link]@[Link]>,"Brendan Crane" <[Link]@[Link]>,"Calvin Roy" <calvinroy8@[Link]>,"Chris
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Richards" <chriswillrichards@[Link]>,"Craig Bethel" <[Link]@[Link]>,"David DeGraw" <AmpedStatus@[Link]>,"goldinyc@[Link]" <goldinyc@[Link]>,"Luke" <revolutionchl@[Link]>,"Megan Robertson" <[Link]@[Link]>,"Occupier Jason" <[Link]@[Link]>,"Occupier Lopi" <[Link]@[Link]>,"Sean Kleier" <stkleier@[Link]>,"Stolleremail" <stoller@[Link]>,"Catherine Hess" <hessca@[Link]>
Bloomberg is letting the occupation stay indefinitely!!! GET THE EVEREST BASE CAMP READY! [Link] joseph j. fionda - 201.306.2548 From: shar@[Link] Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 [Link] +0000 To: Dylan Ratigan<dylanratigan@[Link]>; Alphonzo Terrell<[Link]@[Link]>; Brendan Crane<[Link]@[Link]>; Calvin Roy<calvinroy8@[Link]>; Chris Richards<chriswillrichards@[Link]>; Craig Bethel<[Link]@[Link]>; David DeGraw<AmpedStatus@[Link]>; goldinyc@[Link]<goldinyc@[Link]>; Joe Fionda<fionda@[Link]>; Luke<revolutionchl@[Link]>; Megan Robertson<[Link]@[Link]>; Occupier Jason<[Link]@[Link]>; Occupier Lopi<[Link]@[Link]>; Sean Kleier<stkleier@[Link]>; Stolleremail<stoller@[Link]> ReplyTo: shar@[Link] Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: Harmony I, like all of us, could write a list many miles long (and what articulate, well thought-out, incredibly well stated replys/lists I have read). Essentially it comes down to making the best choices, and reversing the 'wrong' choices, for the greatest good of 100% of humanity; there may not be an even remotely apparent way to please 100% of the people 100% of the time, but having the intention to do so is a start... (A delayed response due to technical issues, but time will not end after the meeting) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From: Dylan Ratigan <dylanratigan@[Link]> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 [Link] -0400 To: Alphonzo Terrell<[Link]@[Link]>; Brendan Crane<[Link]@[Link]>; Calvin Roy<calvinroy8@[Link]>; Chris Richards<chriswillrichards@[Link]>; Craig Bethel<[Link]@[Link]>; David DeGraw<AmpedStatus@[Link]>; goldinyc@[Link]<goldinyc@[Link]>; Joe Fionda<fionda@[Link]>; Luke<revolutionchl@[Link]>; Megan Robertson<[Link]@[Link]>; Occupier Jason<[Link]@[Link]>; Occupier Lopi<[Link]@[Link]>; Sean Kleier<stkleier@[Link]>; shar<shar@[Link]>; Stolleremail<stoller@[Link]> Subject: Harmony Hope you all are good. I'm taking the petition with 140,000 after 8 days as a USB drive to initiate a public conversation with Senator Durbin tomorrow midday. about outlawing private money's ability to purchase the government. He has been pushing this for many years. We are also going to announce the formation of the Get Money Out Foundation. I intend to ask for his response to the rapidly-spreading Occupation Movement. Are there grievances you have that I can express to him? Pls advise, --

Coming Soon

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

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september17@[Link] on behalf of grimwomyn september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Bloomberg is letting the occupation stay indefinitely!!! Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

Terrific-- now to get thousands of these: [Link] before winter really starts..... :) On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 3:34 PM, David DeGraw <David@[Link]> wrote: FYI -------- Original Message -------Subject:Re: Harmony (epic win!) Date:Mon, 10 Oct 2011 [Link] +0000 From:fionda@[Link] Reply-To:fionda@[Link] To:shar@[Link],"Dylan Ratigan" <dylanratigan@[Link]>,"Alphonzo Terrell" <[Link]@[Link]>,"Brendan Crane" <[Link]@[Link]>,"Calvin Roy" <calvinroy8@[Link]>,"Chris Richards" <chriswillrichards@[Link]>,"Craig Bethel" <[Link]@[Link]>,"David DeGraw" <AmpedStatus@[Link]>,"goldinyc@[Link]" <goldinyc@[Link]>,"Luke" <revolutionchl@[Link]>,"Megan Robertson" <[Link]@[Link]>,"Occupier Jason" <[Link]@[Link]>,"Occupier Lopi" <[Link]@[Link]>,"Sean Kleier" <stkleier@[Link]>,"Stolleremail" <stoller@[Link]>,"Catherine Hess" <hessca@[Link]> Bloomberg is letting the occupation stay indefinitely!!! GET THE EVEREST BASE CAMP READY! [Link] joseph j. fionda - 201.306.2548 From: shar@[Link] Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 [Link] +0000 To: Dylan Ratigan<dylanratigan@[Link]>; Alphonzo Terrell<[Link]@[Link]>; Brendan Crane<[Link]@[Link]>; Calvin Roy<calvinroy8@[Link]>; Chris Richards<chriswillrichards@[Link]>; Craig Bethel<[Link]@[Link]>; David DeGraw<AmpedStatus@[Link]>; goldinyc@[Link]<goldinyc@[Link]>; Joe Fionda<fionda@[Link]>; Luke<revolutionchl@[Link]>; Megan Robertson<[Link]@[Link]>; Occupier Jason<[Link]@[Link]>; Occupier Lopi<[Link]@[Link]>; Sean Kleier<stkleier@[Link]>; Stolleremail<stoller@[Link]>
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

ReplyTo: shar@[Link] Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: Harmony I, like all of us, could write a list many miles long (and what articulate, well thought-out, incredibly well stated replys/lists I have read). Essentially it comes down to making the best choices, and reversing the 'wrong' choices, for the greatest good of 100% of humanity; there may not be an even remotely apparent way to please 100% of the people 100% of the time, but having the intention to do so is a start... (A delayed response due to technical issues, but time will not end after the meeting) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From: Dylan Ratigan <dylanratigan@[Link]> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 [Link] -0400 To: Alphonzo Terrell<[Link]@[Link]>; Brendan Crane<[Link]@[Link]>; Calvin Roy<calvinroy8@[Link]>; Chris Richards<chriswillrichards@[Link]>; Craig Bethel<[Link]@[Link]>; David DeGraw<AmpedStatus@[Link]>; goldinyc@[Link]<goldinyc@[Link]>; Joe Fionda<fionda@[Link]>; Luke<revolutionchl@[Link]>; Megan Robertson<[Link]@[Link]>; Occupier Jason<[Link]@[Link]>; Occupier Lopi<[Link]@[Link]>; Sean Kleier<stkleier@[Link]>; shar<shar@[Link]>; Stolleremail<stoller@[Link]> Subject: Harmony Hope you all are good. I'm taking the petition with 140,000 after 8 days as a USB drive to initiate a public conversation with Senator Durbin tomorrow midday. about outlawing private money's ability to purchase the government. He has been pushing this for many years. We are also going to announce the formation of the Get Money Out Foundation. I intend to ask for his response to the rapidlyspreading Occupation Movement. Are there grievances you have that I can express to him? Pls advise, --

Coming Soon

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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Boston and other Occupies attacked by cops? Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] AM

We need to call for a national protest against this, with protests in as many cities as possible. Police repression has backfired on them before, strengthening us instead, because there has been an organized response. We need to do that again. Doug On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:35 AM, acpollack2@[Link] <acpollack2@[Link]> wrote: See the text below the attached video at the link below: it appears at least 5 or 6 Occupy sites were attacked last night. Has anyone heard confirmation of this? If not true, ignore the rest of this. If it IS true, it's hard to believe it's a coincidence. Maybe we should issue a statement from OWS on it. More importantly, can we hook up with as many Occupy sites as possible to: a) check in on their safety and if they have legal support, b) discuss a joint statement against the raids, and perhaps a coordinated action tonight (could be something modest, just get hundreds of Occupy sites at the same time around the country to hold a ten-minute rally against cop raids; and c) put out a joint national call to spread the Occupies, and to call on everyone to mobilize to defend those attacked. Boston cops attack occupation [Link] __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1)
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september17@[Link] on behalf of bf0189@[Link] september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] collective blog? Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] PM

Justine me and a few other people are affiliated with [Link] and we are planning to give each occupation a similar system under the URL of [Link]. Example [Link] [Link]..etc so everyone will be on the same system and such. } What I want is a general feed using all the occupy sub sites something that you want probably. I'll ask Justine about it On Oct 11, 2011 6:15pm, erin remick <eremick@[Link]> wrote: > Hi everyone, I'm new to this googlegroup but wanted to give a suggestion for media... > Yesterday I went down to the plaza for the Day of Solidarity with Indigenous People but I was unable to stay for the GA where I heard they were going to propose some new additions to the declaration. I went onto the livestream later to see if I could catch it but it soon got switched over to boston, which is fine because I get that it was an important moment...but I have been waiting to hear more news about what happened at the GA with this and am frustrated to see that when I go onto [Link] there is only an update about Boston. This site and [Link] do not get updated that often considering how much goes on in one day down at liberty plaza. > > I think it would be valid if someone set up a blog or something similar where events that happen at the plaza are written about with photos/media and shared as often as possible because otherwise these very important events are forgotten as a new super busy day and more planning pushes forward... or we see them in brief clips as part of a 5 min video about everything that happened in one day a few days later, which is great! but I think more media coming from liberty plaza in more formats is needed. All the work being done around video is amazing and compiling footage etc but I also think it's valid that some people do not have hours to sit and watch everything happening and would rather read an article or check out a blog (or tumblr for that matter) to catch up on the goings on or what not. Everyday I see a new negative critique about the lack of people of color voices / women's voices / overall diversity and I think part of the problem, which has already been talked about in previous threads on this list, is a disconnect with media. There needs to be better sharing of daily events in a way that those who cannot be there can experience them and so as many voices as possible are shared as widely as possible! > > Does something like a collective blog already exist for ows, am I missing this? Could we get something like this started if not and have anyone who would like to post about events they attended do so? Can we have something like this be very clearly linked from [Link] and [Link] so those who are looking on as outsiders can be linked there? > > Any input/response would be great! I am willing to help get this set up if people are interested. > Cheers, > Erin
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september17@[Link] on behalf of shaista husain september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] collective blog? Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] PM

Dear Erin, There must be a way that more people of color can participate in the discussions going on in the official websites. I think this would be more representative of the occupation and participation of different voices who feel marginalized. Please also post your concerns and proposal to poc working group [Link]@[Link] On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:06 PM, <bf0189@[Link]> wrote: > Justine me and a few other people are affiliated with [Link] and > we are planning to give each occupation a similar system under the URL of > [Link]. Example [Link] [Link]..etc so everyone > will be on the same system and such. } > > What I want is a general feed using all the occupy sub sites something that > you want probably. I'll ask Justine about it > > On Oct 11, 2011 6:15pm, erin remick <eremick@[Link]> wrote: >> Hi everyone, I'm new to this googlegroup but wanted to give a suggestion >> for media... >> Yesterday I went down to the plaza for the Day of Solidarity with >> Indigenous People but I was unable to stay for the GA where I heard they >> were going to propose some new additions to the declaration. I went onto the >> livestream later to see if I could catch it but it soon got switched over to >> boston, which is fine because I get that it was an important moment...but I >> have been waiting to hear more news about what happened at the GA with this >> and am frustrated to see that when I go onto [Link] there is >> only an update about Boston. This site and [Link] do not get updated that >> often considering how much goes on in one day down at liberty plaza. >> >> I think it would be valid if someone set up a blog or something similar >> where events that happen at the plaza are written about with photos/media >> and shared as often as possible because otherwise these very important >> events are forgotten as a new super busy day and more planning pushes >> forward... or we see them in brief clips as part of a 5 min video about >> everything that happened in one day a few days later, which is great! but I >> think more media coming from liberty plaza in more formats is needed. All >> the work being done around video is amazing and compiling footage etc but I >> also think it's valid that some people do not have hours to sit and watch >> everything happening and would rather read an article or check out a blog >> (or tumblr for that matter) to catch up on the goings on or what >> not. Everyday I see a new negative critique about the lack of people of >> color voices / women's voices / overall diversity and I think part of the >> problem, which has already been talked about in previous threads on this >> list, is a disconnect with media. There needs to be better sharing of daily >> events in a way that those who cannot be there can experience them and so as >> many voices as possible are shared as widely as possible! >> >> Does something like a collective blog already exist for ows, am I missing >> this? Could we get something like this started if not and have anyone who >> would like to post about events they attended do so? Can we have something >> like this be very clearly linked from [Link] and [Link] so >> those who are looking on as outsiders can be linked there? >>

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>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

Any input/response would be great! I am willing to help get this set up if people are interested. Cheers, Erin

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september17@[Link] on behalf of erin remick september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] collective blog? Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] PM

It would be great to have it as part of this larger URL system, I just want to make sure it is easy to use and that people could access it without having to jump through a lot of hoops to be able to post. Is that possible? I know some html but not much... really I was initially thinking of something simple like a wordpress site but this great! Could it be set up so people posting could potentially just set up accounts with profiles and then a moderator adds them to the blog so they can post whenever they log in? ..basically the same as wordpress? Maybe you have a better way of doing this...I'm know some web stuff but not much. Let me know what ideas you have Thanks! -Erin On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:06 PM, <bf0189@[Link]> wrote: Justine me and a few other people are affiliated with [Link] and we are planning to give each occupation a similar system under the URL of [Link]. Example [Link] [Link]..etc so everyone will be on the same system and such. } What I want is a general feed using all the occupy sub sites something that you want probably. I'll ask Justine about it On Oct 11, 2011 6:15pm, erin remick <eremick@[Link]> wrote: > Hi everyone, I'm new to this googlegroup but wanted to give a suggestion for media... > Yesterday I went down to the plaza for the Day of Solidarity with Indigenous People but I was unable to stay for the GA where I heard they were going to propose some new additions to the declaration. I went onto the livestream later to see if I could catch it but it soon got switched over to boston, which is fine because I get that it was an important moment...but I have been waiting to hear more news about what happened at the GA with this and am frustrated to see that when I go onto [Link] there is only an update about Boston. This site and [Link] do not get updated that often considering how much goes on in one day down at liberty plaza. > > I think it would be valid if someone set up a blog or something similar where events that happen at the plaza are written about with photos/media and shared as often as possible because otherwise these very important events are forgotten as a new super busy day and more planning pushes forward... or we see them in brief clips as part of a 5 min video about everything that happened in one day a few days later, which is great! but I think more media coming from liberty plaza in more formats is needed. All the work being done around video is amazing and compiling footage etc but I also think it's valid that some people do not have hours to sit and watch everything happening and would rather read an article or check out a blog (or tumblr for that matter) to catch up on the goings on or what not. Everyday I see a new negative critique about the lack of people of color voices / women's voices / overall diversity and I think part of the problem, which has already been talked about in previous threads on this list, is a disconnect with media. There needs to be better sharing of daily events in a way that those who
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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

cannot be there can experience them and so as many voices as possible are shared as widely as possible! > > Does something like a collective blog already exist for ows, am I missing this? Could we get something like this started if not and have anyone who would like to post about events they attended do so? Can we have something like this be very clearly linked from [Link] and [Link] so those who are looking on as outsiders can be linked there? > > Any input/response would be great! I am willing to help get this set up if people are interested. > Cheers, > Erin > > > > >

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Winter Siroco september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] collective blog? Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] PM

Erin, I think that is a great Idea, and I strongly encourage you to pursue it. There is a lot of talented people willing to get involved on the ground and online. Leave a sign up sheet by the recruiting/info booths. I think there are 3 by now. Compiling Links to excellent media and analysis out there would be great too. Good luck! Cesar On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 6:15 PM, erin remick <eremick@[Link]> wrote: Hi everyone, I'm new to this googlegroup but wanted to give a suggestion for media... Yesterday I went down to the plaza for the Day of Solidarity with Indigenous People but I was unable to stay for the GA where I heard they were going to propose some new additions to the declaration. I went onto the livestream later to see if I could catch it but it soon got switched over to boston, which is fine because I get that it was an important moment...but I have been waiting to hear more news about what happened at the GA with this and am frustrated to see that when I go onto [Link] there is only an update about Boston. This site and [Link] do not get updated that often considering how much goes on in one day down at liberty plaza. I think it would be valid if someone set up a blog or something similar where events that happen at the plaza are written about with photos/media and shared as often as possible because otherwise these very important events are forgotten as a new super busy day and more planning pushes forward... or we see them in brief clips as part of a 5 min video about everything that happened in one day a few days later, which is great! but I think more media coming from liberty plaza in more formats is needed. All the work being done around video is amazing and compiling footage etc but I also think it's valid that some people do not have hours to sit and watch everything happening and would rather read an article or check out a blog (or tumblr for that matter) to catch up on the goings on or what not. Everyday I see a new negative critique about the lack of people of color voices / women's voices / overall diversity and I think part of the problem, which has already been talked about in previous threads on this list, is a disconnect with media. There needs to be better sharing of daily events in a way that those who cannot be there can experience them and so as many voices as possible are shared as widely as possible! Does something like a collective blog already exist for ows, am I missing this? Could we get something like this started if not and have anyone who would like to post about events they attended do so? Can we have something like this be very clearly linked from [Link] and [Link] so those who are looking on as outsiders can be linked there? Any input/response would be great! I am willing to help get this set up if people are interested. Cheers, Erin

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september17@[Link] on behalf of J Wedes september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Columbia University Faculty Petition, Statement of Support for OWS Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] AM

Scribd it so i could tweet: [Link] On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 8:48 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@[Link]> wrote: Sorry, i'm resending this: Hi everyone, internet/media team. I am attaching a very nice statement of solidarity from over 250 Columbia university profs along with their names. They were hoping to see it published; can we see that this gets up on [Link] or [Link]? Thanks! Nico

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september17@[Link] on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Columbia University Faculty Petition, Statement of Support for OWS Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] AM

awesome, thanks justin! nico On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 2:12 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@[Link]> wrote: > Scribd it so i could tweet: > [Link] > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 8:48 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@[Link]> > wrote: >> >> Sorry, i'm resending this: >> >> Hi everyone, internet/media team. >> >> I am attaching a very nice statement of solidarity from over 250 >> Columbia university profs along with their names. >> >> They were hoping to see it published; can we see that this gets up on >> [Link] or [Link]? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Nico > >

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september17@[Link] on behalf of diane sare september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] daily morning head count Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] AM

wow! That's huge. Someone reported over 1500 other rallies/occupations in the US alone. I don't know how many of the 1500 are occupations, as opposed to vigils of a few hours, but the 99% is no longer invisible! On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@[Link]> wrote: We counted an average of 603 people in the square this morning!!! a 324% increase from an average of 163 on last Monday! Gotta be a new record! H.

-Diane Sare cell: 201-220-7731

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september17@[Link] on behalf of David DeGraw september17@[Link]; Kevin Zeese; Press@[Link]; Margaret Flowers Re: [september17discuss] DC Pepper-Spray / Agent Provocateurs Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] PM

just posted roundup on coverage of this DC Protest Pepper Spray Incident Incited By Agent Provocateurs [Link] feel free to repost or spread info any way possible

On 10/9/2011 11:32 AM, David DeGraw wrote: Been talking w/ a bunch of people in DC about pepper-spraying yesterday. Moving forward we need to be prepared for situations like this: American Spectator Editor Admits to Being Agent Provocateur at D.C. Museum [Link] Nathan at WagingNonViolence: Protesters pepper-sprayed at the National Air & Space Museum [Link] Their press release w/ contact info:

Immediate release Contact: Dennis Trainor, Jr. 978-727-4423 Kevin Zeese 301-996-6582 Margaret Flowers 202-688-2444 Maria Allwine 443-762-0892 [email protected] Police Pepper Spray Peaceful Protesters in Washington, DC (Videos) Nearly 1,000 peaceful protesters marched to the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum today to stage a nonviolent die-in under the drone exhibit which represents the glorification of robotic warfare
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and the mass killing of innocent civilians. Upon entering the doors to the free public institution, demonstrators were denied entry, physically beaten back by Smithsonian Protection Service security officers and at least a dozen were pepper sprayed. The cloud of pepper spray was so thick that it hit nearby tourists and a female security officer. See two videos:

Protesters pepper-sprayed at the National Air & Space Museum Protesters pepper-sprayed at the National Air & Space Museum II
The police closed the museum and have been falsely telling the public that the building was closed due to a bomb threat.

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] PM

My understanding is that the constitution working group is researching city, state and federal constitution issues, not drafting a constitution for our movement. Is that not the case? -Justin On Oct 11, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Snafu <snafu@[Link]> wrote: > It's interesting that the Demands Committee creates so much alarm whereas the Constitution Committee does not even raise an eyebrow. Constitution is strategic, demands are tactical. > > Demands do not define a movement, a constitution does. > > On 10/11/11 12:45 PM, Marisa Holmes wrote: >> I agree with Will. We cannot represent the movement as a whole. >> Also, a demands committee would not represent the NY occupation. >> Any political statements must go through the GA process. >> Personally, I'm against having demands at all. >> We've already adopted principles of solidarity and a declaration. >> We know what we're about at the NYC GA without "demands" >> >> Marisa >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:41 PM,<guindave@[Link]> wrote: >>> I'm not sure who is writting it I think thats what they are doing right ? >>> writting somthing like it ? >>> >>> -----Original Message---->>> From: Will Gauss<willgauss@[Link]> >>> To: september17<september17@[Link]> >>> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:54 am >>> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no >>> demands bridging the gap >>> >>> We are a consensus based group. If a decision is made which does not >>> include us, I just won't recognize it. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 11, 2011, at 11:31 AM, David DeGraw<David@[Link]> wrote: >>> >>>> this mysterious "demands committee" needs to have total transparency. >>> if demands come out of left field there will be a revolt within the revolt. >>> we are already working hard to deflect all sorts of wacky conspiracy >>> theories. >>>> On 10/11/2011 11:16 AM, guindave@[Link] wrote: >>>>> and yes it worries me for the same reason but what to do now ? >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message---->>>>> From: guindave<guindave@[Link]> >>>>> To: september17<september17@[Link]>

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>>>>> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:15 am >>>>> Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who >>> want no demands bridging the gap >>>>> They where already there >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message---->>>>> From: Jackie DiSalvo<jdisalvo@[Link]> >>>>> To: september17<september17@[Link]> >>>>> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:33 am >>>>> Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who >>> want >>>>> no demands bridging the gap >>>>> >>>>> Don't have reporters; they will slant coverage to suit their >>>>> publication's >>>>> agenda. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message---->>>>> From: september17@[Link] >>>>> [[Link] On >>>>> Behalf Of guindave@[Link] >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:47 PM >>>>> To: september17@[Link] >>>>> Subject: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no >>>>> demands bridging the gap >>>>> >>>>> I was at the demands committee and tonight (as some one who myself >>>>> would like something like a demand (perhaps not in those words). They >>>>> where completely unaware that many at the GA don't want demands I >>>>> would urge pretty much every one who is interested for and against >>>>> demands to come to there next meeting Sunday at 2 but with and open >>>>> mind towards perhaps trying to bridge the gap between those who do >>> and >>>>> don't want this and those who are writing the what is it a >>> constitution >>>>> ? and those who do to find middle ground. Also there where some >>>>> reporters there do other working groups have reporters at them ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >

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september17@[Link] on behalf of guindave@[Link] guindave@[Link]; september17@[Link] RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] AM

and yes it worries me for the same reason but what to do now ? -----Original Message----From: guindave <guindave@[Link]> To: september17 <september17@[Link]> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:15 am Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap They where already there -----Original Message----From: Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@[Link]> To: september17 <september17@[Link]> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:33 am Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Don't have reporters; they will slant coverage to suit their publication's agenda. -----Original Message----From: september17@[Link] [[Link] On Behalf Of guindave@[Link] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:47 PM To: september17@[Link] Subject: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap I was at the demands committee and tonight (as some one who myself would like something like a demand (perhaps not in those words). They where completely unaware that many at the GA don't want demands I would urge pretty much every one who is interested for and against demands to come to there next meeting Sunday at 2 but with and open mind towards perhaps trying to bridge the gap between those who do and don't want this and those who are writing the what is it a constitution ? and those who do to find middle ground. Also there where some reporters there do other working groups have reporters at them ?

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september17@[Link] on behalf of guindave@[Link] september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] AM

Best thing I can do is tell you they are meeting again next Sunday at 2pm near the red cube. I know littie ealse I was there however -----Original Message----From: jemcgloin <jemcgloin@[Link]> To: september17 <september17@[Link]> Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 11:58 pm Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Who is this demands committee and do you have any contact info that you could post on here?

On 10/10/11, guindave@[Link] wrote:I was at the demands committee and tonight (as some one who myself would like something like a demand (perhaps not in those words). They where completely unaware that many at the GA dont want demands I would urge pretty much every one who is interested for and against demands to come to there next meeting Sunday at 2 but with and open mind towards perhaps trying to bridge the gap between those who do and dont want this and those who are writing the what is it a constitution ? and those who do to find middle ground. Also there where some reporters there do other working groups have reporters at them ?

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september17@[Link] on behalf of jemcgloin@[Link] september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

Who is this demands committee and do you have any contact info that you could post on here?

On 10/10/11, guindave@[Link] wrote: I was at the demands committee and tonight (as some one who myself would like something like a demand (perhaps not in those words). They where completely unaware that many at the GA dont want demands I would urge pretty much every one who is interested for and against demands to come to there next meeting Sunday at 2 but with and open mind towards perhaps trying to bridge the gap between those who do and dont want this and those who are writing the what is it a constitution ? and those who do to find middle ground. Also there where some reporters there do other working groups have reporters at them ?

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Snafu september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] PM

It's interesting that the Demands Committee creates so much alarm whereas the Constitution Committee does not even raise an eyebrow. Constitution is strategic, demands are tactical. Demands do not define a movement, a constitution does. On 10/11/11 12:45 PM, Marisa Holmes wrote: > I agree with Will. We cannot represent the movement as a whole. > Also, a demands committee would not represent the NY occupation. > Any political statements must go through the GA process. > Personally, I'm against having demands at all. > We've already adopted principles of solidarity and a declaration. > We know what we're about at the NYC GA without "demands" > > Marisa > > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:41 PM,<guindave@[Link]> wrote: >> I'm not sure who is writting it I think thats what they are doing right ? >> writting somthing like it ? >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: Will Gauss<willgauss@[Link]> >> To: september17<september17@[Link]> >> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:54 am >> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no >> demands bridging the gap >> >> We are a consensus based group. If a decision is made which does not >> include us, I just won't recognize it. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 11, 2011, at 11:31 AM, David DeGraw<David@[Link]> wrote: >> >>> this mysterious "demands committee" needs to have total transparency. >> if demands come out of left field there will be a revolt within the revolt. >> we are already working hard to deflect all sorts of wacky conspiracy >> theories. >>> On 10/11/2011 11:16 AM, guindave@[Link] wrote: >>>> and yes it worries me for the same reason but what to do now ? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message---->>>> From: guindave<guindave@[Link]> >>>> To: september17<september17@[Link]> >>>> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:15 am >>>> Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who >> want no demands bridging the gap >>>> They where already there >>>> >>>> -----Original Message---->>>> From: Jackie DiSalvo<jdisalvo@[Link]> >>>> To: september17<september17@[Link]>

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>>>> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:33 am >>>> Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who >> want >>>> no demands bridging the gap >>>> >>>> Don't have reporters; they will slant coverage to suit their >>>> publication's >>>> agenda. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message---->>>> From: september17@[Link] >>>> [[Link] On >>>> Behalf Of guindave@[Link] >>>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:47 PM >>>> To: september17@[Link] >>>> Subject: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no >>>> demands bridging the gap >>>> >>>> I was at the demands committee and tonight (as some one who myself >>>> would like something like a demand (perhaps not in those words). They >>>> where completely unaware that many at the GA don't want demands I >>>> would urge pretty much every one who is interested for and against >>>> demands to come to there next meeting Sunday at 2 but with and open >>>> mind towards perhaps trying to bridge the gap between those who do >> and >>>> don't want this and those who are writing the what is it a >> constitution >>>> ? and those who do to find middle ground. Also there where some >>>> reporters there do other working groups have reporters at them ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>

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september17@[Link] on behalf of guindave@[Link] september17@[Link] RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] AM

They where already there -----Original Message----From: Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@[Link]> To: september17 <september17@[Link]> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:33 am Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Don't have reporters; they will slant coverage to suit their publication's agenda. -----Original Message----From: september17@[Link] [[Link] On Behalf Of guindave@[Link] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:47 PM To: september17@[Link] Subject: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap I was at the demands committee and tonight (as some one who myself would like something like a demand (perhaps not in those words). They where completely unaware that many at the GA don't want demands I would urge pretty much every one who is interested for and against demands to come to there next meeting Sunday at 2 but with and open mind towards perhaps trying to bridge the gap between those who do and don't want this and those who are writing the what is it a constitution ? and those who do to find middle ground. Also there where some reporters there do other working groups have reporters at them ?

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Marisa Holmes september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] PM

I agree with Will. We cannot represent the movement as a whole. Also, a demands committee would not represent the NY occupation. Any political statements must go through the GA process. Personally, I'm against having demands at all. We've already adopted principles of solidarity and a declaration. We know what we're about at the NYC GA without "demands" Marisa On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:41 PM, <guindave@[Link]> wrote: > I'm not sure who is writting it I think thats what they are doing right ? > writting somthing like it ? > > -----Original Message----> From: Will Gauss <willgauss@[Link]> > To: september17 <september17@[Link]> > Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:54 am > Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no > demands bridging the gap > > We are a consensus based group. If a decision is made which does not > include us, I just won't recognize it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 11, 2011, at 11:31 AM, David DeGraw <David@[Link]> wrote: > >> this mysterious "demands committee" needs to have total transparency. > > if demands come out of left field there will be a revolt within the revolt. > we are already working hard to deflect all sorts of wacky conspiracy > theories. >> >> On 10/11/2011 11:16 AM, guindave@[Link] wrote: >>> >>> and yes it worries me for the same reason but what to do now ? >>> >>> -----Original Message---->>> From: guindave <guindave@[Link]> >>> To: september17 <september17@[Link]> >>> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:15 am >>> Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who > > want no demands bridging the gap >>> >>> They where already there >>> >>> -----Original Message---->>> From: Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@[Link]> >>> To: september17 <september17@[Link]> >>> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:33 am >>> Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who

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> > want >>> >>> no demands bridging the gap >>> >>> Don't have reporters; they will slant coverage to suit their >>> publication's >>> agenda. >>> >>> -----Original Message---->>> From: september17@[Link] >>> [[Link] On >>> Behalf Of guindave@[Link] >>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:47 PM >>> To: september17@[Link] >>> Subject: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no >>> demands bridging the gap >>> >>> I was at the demands committee and tonight (as some one who myself >>> would like something like a demand (perhaps not in those words). They >>> where completely unaware that many at the GA don't want demands I >>> would urge pretty much every one who is interested for and against >>> demands to come to there next meeting Sunday at 2 but with and open >>> mind towards perhaps trying to bridge the gap between those who do > > and >>> >>> don't want this and those who are writing the what is it a > > constitution >>> >>> ? and those who do to find middle ground. Also there where some >>> reporters there do other working groups have reporters at them ? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > >

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@[Link] RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] AM

Don't have reporters; they will slant coverage to suit their publication's agenda. -----Original Message----From: september17@[Link] [[Link] On Behalf Of guindave@[Link] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:47 PM To: september17@[Link] Subject: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap I was at the demands committee and tonight (as some one who myself would like something like a demand (perhaps not in those words). They where completely unaware that many at the GA don't want demands I would urge pretty much every one who is interested for and against demands to come to there next meeting Sunday at 2 but with and open mind towards perhaps trying to bridge the gap between those who do and don't want this and those who are writing the what is it a constitution ? and those who do to find middle ground. Also there where some reporters there do other working groups have reporters at them ?

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september17@[Link] on behalf of guindave@[Link] september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] PM

I'm not sure who is writting it I think thats what they are doing right ? writting somthing like it ? -----Original Message----From: Will Gauss <willgauss@[Link]> To: september17 <september17@[Link]> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:54 am Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap We are a consensus based group. If a decision is made which does not include us, I just won't recognize it. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 11, 2011, at 11:31 AM, David DeGraw <David@[Link]> wrote: > this mysterious "demands committee" needs to have total transparency. if demands come out of left field there will be a revolt within the revolt. we are already working hard to deflect all sorts of wacky conspiracy theories. > > On 10/11/2011 11:16 AM, guindave@[Link] wrote: >> and yes it worries me for the same reason but what to do now ? >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: guindave <guindave@[Link]> >> To: september17 <september17@[Link]> >> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:15 am >> Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap >> >> They where already there >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@[Link]> >> To: september17 <september17@[Link]> >> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:33 am >> Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want >> no demands bridging the gap >> >> Don't have reporters; they will slant coverage to suit their >> publication's >> agenda. >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: september17@[Link] >> [[Link] On >> Behalf Of guindave@[Link] >> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:47 PM >> To: september17@[Link]

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>> Subject: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no >> demands bridging the gap >> >> I was at the demands committee and tonight (as some one who myself >> would like something like a demand (perhaps not in those words). They >> where completely unaware that many at the GA don't want demands I >> would urge pretty much every one who is interested for and against >> demands to come to there next meeting Sunday at 2 but with and open >> mind towards perhaps trying to bridge the gap between those who do and >> don't want this and those who are writing the what is it a constitution >> ? and those who do to find middle ground. Also there where some >> reporters there do other working groups have reporters at them ? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Will Gauss september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] PM

Also of note, NYCGA does not represent the OWS movement, it represents the NYC occupation. It just happens to be the first GA and the most prominent one. Nor can it represent the movement because that leaves people like me disenfranchised because often there is no physical possible way for me to participate despite being a significant fighter for the cause. This is not to say that NYCGA is "bad", but it is a warning not to attach inaccurate qualities onto it. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 11, 2011, at 12:11 PM, "Jackie DiSalvo" <jdisalvo@[Link]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the future, with the group's agreement, ask them to leave & you don't want to start deciding who's good press & who's bad press -----Original Message----From: september17@[Link] [[Link] On Behalf Of guindave@[Link] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:17 AM To: guindave@[Link]; september17@[Link] Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap and yes it worries me for the same reason but what to do now ? -----Original Message----From: guindave <guindave@[Link]> To: september17 <september17@[Link]> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:15 am Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap They where already there -----Original Message----From: Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@[Link]> To: september17 <september17@[Link]> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:33 am Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Don't have reporters; they will slant coverage to suit their publication's agenda. -----Original Message----From: september17@[Link] [[Link] On Behalf Of guindave@[Link] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:47 PM To: september17@[Link] Subject: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I was at the demands committee and tonight (as some one who myself would like something like a demand (perhaps not in those words). They where completely unaware that many at the GA don't want demands I would urge pretty much every one who is interested for and against demands to come to there next meeting Sunday at 2 but with and open mind towards perhaps trying to bridge the gap between those who do and don't want this and those who are writing the what is it a constitution ? and those who do to find middle ground. Also there where some reporters there do other working groups have reporters at them ?

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Will Gauss september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] AM

We are a consensus based group. If a decision is made which does not include us, I just won't recognize it. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 11, 2011, at 11:31 AM, David DeGraw <David@[Link]> wrote: > this mysterious "demands committee" needs to have total transparency. if demands come out of left field there will be a revolt within the revolt. we are already working hard to deflect all sorts of wacky conspiracy theories. > > On 10/11/2011 11:16 AM, guindave@[Link] wrote: >> and yes it worries me for the same reason but what to do now ? >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: guindave <guindave@[Link]> >> To: september17 <september17@[Link]> >> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:15 am >> Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap >> >> They where already there >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@[Link]> >> To: september17 <september17@[Link]> >> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:33 am >> Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want >> no demands bridging the gap >> >> Don't have reporters; they will slant coverage to suit their >> publication's >> agenda. >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: september17@[Link] >> [[Link] On >> Behalf Of guindave@[Link] >> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:47 PM >> To: september17@[Link] >> Subject: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no >> demands bridging the gap >> >> I was at the demands committee and tonight (as some one who myself >> would like something like a demand (perhaps not in those words). They >> where completely unaware that many at the GA don't want demands I >> would urge pretty much every one who is interested for and against >> demands to come to there next meeting Sunday at 2 but with and open >> mind towards perhaps trying to bridge the gap between those who do and >> don't want this and those who are writing the what is it a constitution >> ? and those who do to find middle ground. Also there where some >> reporters there do other working groups have reporters at them ? >>

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Jon Good september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] AM

Who's writing a constitution? On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:48 AM, <guindave@[Link]> wrote: David I Agree with you very much so, I will try and post the minutes if some one typed them up ? Thats why I am trying to tell every one that the next meeting is this Sunday at 2pm by the Red cube I want every one involved because I fear this revolt within a revolt. I would like the people writing up the constitution to be there the most If you are writting it please call me 914 391 1010 we need to make sure this dosen't happen -----Original Message----From: David DeGraw <David@[Link]> To: september17 <september17@[Link]> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:31 am Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap this mysterious "demands committee" needs to have total transparency. if demands come out of left field there will be a revolt within the revolt. we are already working hard to deflect all sorts of wacky conspiracy theories. On 10/11/2011 11:16 AM, guindave@[Link] wrote: and yes it worries me for the same reason but what to do now ? -----Original Message----From: guindave <guindave@[Link]> To: september17 <september17@[Link]> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:15 am Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap They where already there -----Original Message----From: Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@[Link]> To: september17 <september17@[Link]> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:33 am Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Don't have reporters; they will slant coverage to suit their publication's agenda.
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-----Original Message----From: september17@[Link] [[Link] On Behalf Of guindave@[Link] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:47 PM To: september17@[Link] Subject: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap I was at the demands committee and tonight (as some one who myself would like something like a demand (perhaps not in those words). They where completely unaware that many at the GA don't want demands I would urge pretty much every one who is interested for and against demands to come to there next meeting Sunday at 2 but with and open mind towards perhaps trying to bridge the gap between those who do and don't want this and those who are writing the what is it a constitution ? and those who do to find middle ground. Also there where some reporters there do other working groups have reporters at them ?

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september17@[Link] on behalf of guindave@[Link] september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] AM

David I Agree with you very much so, I will try and post the minutes if some one typed them up ? Thats why I am trying to tell every one that the next meeting is this Sunday at 2pm by the Red cube I want every one involved because I fear this revolt within a revolt. I would like the people writing up the constitution to be there the most If you are writting it please call me 914 391 1010 we need to make sure this dosen't happen -----Original Message----From: David DeGraw <David@[Link]> To: september17 <september17@[Link]> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:31 am Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap this mysterious "demands committee" needs to have total transparency. if demands come out of left field there will be a revolt within the revolt. we are already working hard to deflect all sorts of wacky conspiracy theories. On 10/11/2011 11:16 AM, guindave@[Link] wrote: > and yes it worries me for the same reason but what to do now ? > > -----Original Message----> From: guindave <guindave@[Link]> > To: september17 <september17@[Link]> > Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:15 am > Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want > no demands bridging the gap > > They where already there > > -----Original Message----> From: Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@[Link]> > To: september17 <september17@[Link]> > Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:33 am > Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want > no demands bridging the gap > > Don't have reporters; they will slant coverage to suit their > publication's > agenda. > > -----Original Message----> From: september17@[Link] > [[Link] On > Behalf Of guindave@[Link] > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:47 PM > To: september17@[Link] > Subject: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no > demands bridging the gap

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> > I was at the demands committee and tonight (as some one who myself > would like something like a demand (perhaps not in those words). They > where completely unaware that many at the GA don't want demands I > would urge pretty much every one who is interested for and against > demands to come to there next meeting Sunday at 2 but with and open > mind towards perhaps trying to bridge the gap between those who do and > don't want this and those who are writing the what is it a constitution > ? and those who do to find middle ground. Also there where some > reporters there do other working groups have reporters at them ? > > > > > > > > > >

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september17@[Link] on behalf of David DeGraw september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] AM

this mysterious "demands committee" needs to have total transparency. if demands come out of left field there will be a revolt within the revolt. we are already working hard to deflect all sorts of wacky conspiracy theories. On 10/11/2011 11:16 AM, guindave@[Link] wrote: > and yes it worries me for the same reason but what to do now ? > > -----Original Message----> From: guindave <guindave@[Link]> > To: september17 <september17@[Link]> > Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:15 am > Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want > no demands bridging the gap > > They where already there > > -----Original Message----> From: Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@[Link]> > To: september17 <september17@[Link]> > Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:33 am > Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want > no demands bridging the gap > > Don't have reporters; they will slant coverage to suit their > publication's > agenda. > > -----Original Message----> From: september17@[Link] > [[Link] On > Behalf Of guindave@[Link] > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:47 PM > To: september17@[Link] > Subject: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no > demands bridging the gap > > I was at the demands committee and tonight (as some one who myself > would like something like a demand (perhaps not in those words). They > where completely unaware that many at the GA don't want demands I > would urge pretty much every one who is interested for and against > demands to come to there next meeting Sunday at 2 but with and open > mind towards perhaps trying to bridge the gap between those who do and > don't want this and those who are writing the what is it a constitution > ? and those who do to find middle ground. Also there where some > reporters there do other working groups have reporters at them ? > > > > > > >

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Jason Jones september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] PM

I think you might have missed international concerns? Please keep your mind open to the fact that the US is not the center of the world in this struggle and that what you are part of has been in the international news for some time. Greece is about to default and Europe will, at the very leastm be seriously shaken as a result within the next month. It should be clear that Occupy Wall St. is aware of and connected to a larger context. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@[Link]> wrote: My understanding is that the constitution working group is researching city, state and federal constitution issues, not drafting a constitution for our movement. Is that not the case? -Justin On Oct 11, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Snafu <snafu@[Link]> wrote: > It's interesting that the Demands Committee creates so much alarm whereas the Constitution Committee does not even raise an eyebrow. Constitution is strategic, demands are tactical. > > Demands do not define a movement, a constitution does. > > On 10/11/11 12:45 PM, Marisa Holmes wrote: >> I agree with Will. We cannot represent the movement as a whole. >> Also, a demands committee would not represent the NY occupation. >> Any political statements must go through the GA process. >> Personally, I'm against having demands at all. >> We've already adopted principles of solidarity and a declaration. >> We know what we're about at the NYC GA without "demands" >> >> Marisa >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:41 PM,<guindave@[Link]> wrote: >>> I'm not sure who is writting it I think thats what they are doing right ? >>> writting somthing like it ? >>> >>> -----Original Message---->>> From: Will Gauss<willgauss@[Link]> >>> To: september17<september17@[Link]> >>> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:54 am >>> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no >>> demands bridging the gap >>> >>> We are a consensus based group. If a decision is made which does not
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>>> include us, I just won't recognize it. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 11, 2011, at 11:31 AM, David DeGraw<David@[Link]> wrote: >>> >>>> this mysterious "demands committee" needs to have total transparency. >>> if demands come out of left field there will be a revolt within the revolt. >>> we are already working hard to deflect all sorts of wacky conspiracy >>> theories. >>>> On 10/11/2011 11:16 AM, guindave@[Link] wrote: >>>>> and yes it worries me for the same reason but what to do now ? >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message---->>>>> From: guindave<guindave@[Link]> >>>>> To: september17<september17@[Link]> >>>>> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:15 am >>>>> Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who >>> want no demands bridging the gap >>>>> They where already there >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message---->>>>> From: Jackie DiSalvo<jdisalvo@[Link]> >>>>> To: september17<september17@[Link]> >>>>> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:33 am >>>>> Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who >>> want >>>>> no demands bridging the gap >>>>> >>>>> Don't have reporters; they will slant coverage to suit their >>>>> publication's >>>>> agenda. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message---->>>>> From: september17@[Link] >>>>> [[Link] On >>>>> Behalf Of guindave@[Link] >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:47 PM >>>>> To: september17@[Link] >>>>> Subject: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no >>>>> demands bridging the gap >>>>> >>>>> I was at the demands committee and tonight (as some one who myself >>>>> would like something like a demand (perhaps not in those words). They >>>>> where completely unaware that many at the GA don't want demands I >>>>> would urge pretty much every one who is interested for and against >>>>> demands to come to there next meeting Sunday at 2 but with and open >>>>> mind towards perhaps trying to bridge the gap between those who do >>> and >>>>> don't want this and those who are writing the what is it a >>> constitution
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>>>>> ? and those who do to find middle ground. Also there where some >>>>> reporters there do other working groups have reporters at them ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@[Link] RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] PM

In the future, with the group's agreement, ask them to leave & you don't want to start deciding who's good press & who's bad press -----Original Message----From: september17@[Link] [[Link] On Behalf Of guindave@[Link] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:17 AM To: guindave@[Link]; september17@[Link] Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap and yes it worries me for the same reason but what to do now ? -----Original Message----From: guindave <guindave@[Link]> To: september17 <september17@[Link]> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:15 am Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap They where already there -----Original Message----From: Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@[Link]> To: september17 <september17@[Link]> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:33 am Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap Don't have reporters; they will slant coverage to suit their publication's agenda. -----Original Message----From: september17@[Link] [[Link] On Behalf Of guindave@[Link] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:47 PM To: september17@[Link] Subject: [september17discuss] Demands committee and those who want no demands bridging the gap I was at the demands committee and tonight (as some one who myself would like something like a demand (perhaps not in those words). They where completely unaware that many at the GA don't want demands I would urge pretty much every one who is interested for and against demands to come to there next meeting Sunday at 2 but with and open mind towards perhaps trying to bridge the gap between those who do and don't want this and those who are writing the what is it a constitution ? and those who do to find middle ground. Also there where some reporters there do other working groups have reporters at them ?

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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Charles Lenchner september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Democratic Party"s Attempted Co-Option of OWS Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

It was wrong of me to tease you in public that way. Sometimes comradely humor just doesn't work on email. My apologies! I appreciate your good work on these issues. Charles On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 2:05 PM, David DeGraw <David@[Link]> wrote: did you read the full statement? see these sections: "We will not be co-opted by hierarchical organizations. No matter how wonderful their cause may be... We emphatically reject the attempted leadership of any political party, organization or individual. If there are elected officials or organizations who endorse our movement, we welcome them. However, they must do so knowing this: Your voice will be just as loud as any other voice. We are led by no one. You cannot co-opt We The People." full proposal here. in complete agreement with your comments, "Workers World Party, International Socialist Organization, Ron Paul's Love-o-lution, and let's not forget the dastardly 'Committee for a Worker's Revolution.'" in our opinion, to ignore co-option attempts by either of the two dominant political parties is dangerous. If you disagree, that's fine. Just putting forth ideas. re: 98% meme, do you mean Andrew from the YesMen? I love their/his work much respect to him! re: 99% meme: saying that we co-opted the 98% is a cheap shot and completely not true. see this: [Link] this is all petty BS though, all credit goes to the people who put their bodies on the line every day at Liberty Park. On 10/10/2011 1:32 PM, Charles Lenchner wrote: 1. the notion that the Democratic Party campaigns in a coordinated fashion is kind of silly. 2. if you want to officially distance yourself from any and all movements that have adherents on Zuccotti Park, you'll get in trouble for missing one or the other. In addition to not being coopted by the two party oligarchy, let's also pledge not to be coopted by the Workers World Party, International Socialist Organization, Ron Paul's Love-olution, and let's not forget the dastardly 'Committee for a Worker's Revolution.' I for one, will not stand to be coopted by any of these forces, and their omission from this statement opens the door to further coopting.
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

3. I thought Andrew Boyd invented the 98% meme in 2010, only to watch it be COOPTED by the 99%.But such is political life. 4. Surely the best way to advance the meme that OWS is the Dem tea party is to feed it with attention. In fact, the Job Party and the Coffee Party and the Green Tea Party are the Dem Tea Parties. Not OWS. Written with love and good humor! Charles On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 1:06 PM, <jemcgloin@[Link]> wrote:
I like it. I think you should try to get it passed at the GA so it can be official. John On 10/10/11, David DeGraw<David@[Link]> wrote: i'm sure most of us will agree with the statements the DCCC is makingon behalf of the OWS 99% movement in this online campaign, and it'snice to have support, BUT, imo Democratic Party campaigns like this arevery dangerous to our long term growth: See this: [Link] The corporate media is already building a solid narrative labelling usas the Democrat's Tea Party. While some people may not mind thatlabel, this is a divide and conquer propaganda strategy that we mustavoid. Some people say that our movement is so diverse that we don'thave to worry about co-option, and there is solid evidence that thismay be true certainly hope it is. However, as someone who hasintensively studied propaganda and psychological operations, and hasalso invented the 99% meme, i am incredibly sensitive to divide andconquer propa issues. I worked with over 20 people in coming up withthis statement proposal, please consider it:

Welcometo the #OWS 99% Movement We Will NOT Be Co-Opted Working Group [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

From: To: Subject: Date:

september17@[Link] on behalf of David DeGraw september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Democratic Party"s Attempted Co-Option of OWS Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

did you read the full statement? see these sections: "We will not be co-opted by hierarchical organizations. No matter how wonderful their cause may be... We emphatically reject the attempted leadership of any political party, organization or individual. If there are elected officials or organizations who endorse our movement, we welcome them. However, they must do so knowing this: Your voice will be just as loud as any other voice. We are led by no one. You cannot co-opt We The People." full proposal here. in complete agreement with your comments, "Workers World Party, International Socialist Organization, Ron Paul's Love-o-lution, and let's not forget the dastardly 'Committee for a Worker's Revolution.'" in our opinion, to ignore co-option attempts by either of the two dominant political parties is dangerous. If you disagree, that's fine. Just putting forth ideas. re: 98% meme, do you mean Andrew from the YesMen? I love their/his work much respect to him! re: 99% meme: saying that we co-opted the 98% is a cheap shot and completely not true. see this: [Link] this is all petty BS though, all credit goes to the people who put their bodies on the line every day at Liberty Park. On 10/10/2011 1:32 PM, Charles Lenchner wrote: 1. the notion that the Democratic Party campaigns in a coordinated fashion is kind of silly. 2. if you want to officially distance yourself from any and all movements that have adherents on Zuccotti Park, you'll get in trouble for missing one or the other. In addition to not being coopted by the two party oligarchy, let's also pledge not to be coopted by the Workers World Party, International Socialist Organization, Ron Paul's Love-o-lution, and let's not forget the dastardly 'Committee for a Worker's Revolution.' I for one, will not stand to be coopted by any of these forces, and their omission from this statement opens the door to further coopting. 3. I thought Andrew Boyd invented the 98% meme in 2010, only to watch it be COOPTED by the 99%.But such is political life. 4. Surely the best way to advance the meme that OWS is the Dem tea party is to feed it with attention. In fact, the Job Party and the Coffee Party and the Green Tea Party are the Dem Tea Parties. Not OWS. Written with love and good humor! Charles
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 1:06 PM, <jemcgloin@[Link]> wrote:

I like it. I think you should try to get it passed at the GA so it can be official. John On 10/10/11, David DeGraw<David@[Link]> wrote: i'm sure most of us will agree with the statements the DCCC is makingon behalf of the OWS 99% movement in this online campaign, and it'snice to have support, BUT, imo Democratic Party campaigns like this arevery dangerous to our long term growth: See this: [Link] The corporate media is already building a solid narrative labelling usas the Democrat's Tea Party. While some people may not mind thatlabel, this is a divide and conquer propaganda strategy that we mustavoid. Some people say that our movement is so diverse that we don'thave to worry about co-option, and there is solid evidence that thismay be true - certainly hope it is. However, as someone who hasintensively studied propaganda and psychological operations, and hasalso invented the 99% meme, i am incredibly sensitive to divide andconquer propa issues. I worked with over 20 people in coming up withthis statement proposal, please consider it:

Welcometo the #OWS 99% Movement We Will NOT Be Co-Opted Working Group [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

From: To: Subject: Date:

september17@[Link] on behalf of Charles Lenchner september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Democratic Party"s Attempted Co-Option of OWS Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

1. the notion that the Democratic Party campaigns in a coordinated fashion is kind of silly. 2. if you want to officially distance yourself from any and all movements that have adherents on Zuccotti Park, you'll get in trouble for missing one or the other. In addition to not being coopted by the two party oligarchy, let's also pledge not to be coopted by the Workers World Party, International Socialist Organization, Ron Paul's Love-o-lution, and let's not forget the dastardly 'Committee for a Worker's Revolution.' I for one, will not stand to be coopted by any of these forces, and their omission from this statement opens the door to further coopting. 3. I thought Andrew Boyd invented the 98% meme in 2010, only to watch it be COOPTED by the 99%.But such is political life. 4. Surely the best way to advance the meme that OWS is the Dem tea party is to feed it with attention. In fact, the Job Party and the Coffee Party and the Green Tea Party are the Dem Tea Parties. Not OWS. Written with love and good humor! Charles On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 1:06 PM, <jemcgloin@[Link]> wrote:
I like it. I think you should try to get it passed at the GA so it can be official. John On 10/10/11, David DeGraw<David@[Link]> wrote: i'm sure most of us will agree with the statements the DCCC is makingon behalf of the OWS 99% movement in this online campaign, and it'snice to have support, BUT, imo Democratic Party campaigns like this arevery dangerous to our long term growth: See this: [Link] The corporate media is already building a solid narrative labelling usas the Democrat's Tea Party. While some people may not mind thatlabel, this is a divide and conquer propaganda strategy that we mustavoid. Some people say that our movement is so diverse that we don'thave to worry about co-option, and there is solid evidence that thismay be true - certainly hope it is. However, as someone who hasintensively studied propaganda and psychological operations, and hasalso invented the 99% meme, i am incredibly sensitive to divide andconquer propa issues. I worked with over 20 people in coming up withthis statement proposal, please consider it:

Welcometo the #OWS 99% Movement We Will NOT Be Co-Opted Working Group [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

From: To: Subject: Date:

september17@[Link] on behalf of jemcgloin@[Link] september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Democratic Party"s Attempted Co-Option of OWS Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

I like it. I think you should try to get it passed at the GA so it can be official. John On 10/10/11, David DeGraw<David@[Link]> wrote: i'm sure most of us will agree with the statements the DCCC is makingon behalf of the OWS 99% movement in this online campaign, and it'snice to have support, BUT, imo Democratic Party campaigns like this arevery dangerous to our long term growth: See this: [Link] The corporate media is already building a solid narrative labelling usas the Democrat's Tea Party. While some people may not mind thatlabel, this is a divide and conquer propaganda strategy that we mustavoid. Some people say that our movement is so diverse that we don'thave to worry about co-option, and there is solid evidence that thismay be true - certainly hope it is. However, as someone who hasintensively studied propaganda and psychological operations, and hasalso invented the 99% meme, i am incredibly sensitive to divide andconquer propa issues. I worked with over 20 people in coming up withthis statement proposal, please consider it:

Welcometo the #OWS 99% Movement We Will NOT Be Co-Opted Working Group [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

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september17@[Link] on behalf of diane sare september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Democratic Party"s Attempted Co-Option of OWS Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

I totally agree. Most people (myself included, and I am a Democrat, nominally) are disgusted by the opportunism of both parties. I brought up the East German candlelight vigil process because, as far as I know, there was no leader in that, there were no demands except "Wir sind das Volk" (We are the people) -- and that was sufficient along with the economic collapse to bring down the Berlin Wall. What happened in the aftermath is another story -- and quite relevant, but we haven't bankrupted Wall Street just yet. I think everyone who wants to should be allowed to voice support of the occupation, and express their opinion -- ironically by being open to all views in this way, no one ends up taking over. As soon as we become exclusive, SOMEONE is making a decision to exclude someone else, and that is the beginning of a takeover. On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 12:54 PM, David DeGraw <David@[Link]> wrote: i'm sure most of us will agree with the statements the DCCC is making on behalf of the OWS 99% movement in this online campaign, and it's nice to have support, BUT, imo Democratic Party campaigns like this are very dangerous to our long term growth: See this: [Link] The corporate media is already building a solid narrative labelling us as the Democrat's Tea Party. While some people may not mind that label, this is a divide and conquer propaganda strategy that we must avoid. Some people say that our movement is so diverse that we don't have to worry about co-option, and there is solid evidence that this may be true - certainly hope it is. However, as someone who has intensively studied propaganda and psychological operations, and has also invented the 99% meme, i am incredibly sensitive to divide and conquer propa issues. I worked with over 20 people in coming up with this statement proposal, please consider it:
Welcome to the #OWS 99% Movement We Will NOT Be Co-Opted Working Group [Link]

-Diane Sare cell: 201-220-7731

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Drumming getting more complaints Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] PM

I think many of the concerns about loud drumming come from inside the camp, especially working groups that need some quiet during day. I would recommend inviting the drumming circle(s) to general assembly tonight, to hear this proposal. Who would bring up the proposal? Justin Wedes Educator & Activist Brooklyn, NY ~ will you #occupy? ~ On Oct 11, 2011, at 4:00 PM, Jeffery McClain <redjeffery@[Link]> wrote: The drumming is DUMB. This is not some Rainbow Tribe Gathering, rather it is a REVOLUTION. That said, don't trust all of these emails come from real nearby residents. This is a great tactic to use if you're rightwing and want to slowly delegitimize the occupation. Beware supposedly sympathetic liberals concerned with sanitation or noise. Too convenient. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@[Link]> wrote: From a resident nearby. Many of these have been coming in.

How about a proposal tonight to ask drummers to cease playing or move to Battery Park for drumming during GA times (7-10pm)?
-justin To Occupy Wall Street As a neighborhood resident, a lifelong Democrat, worker on the Obama campaign, and in general in sync with the politics of OWS, I am telling you here and now that the incessant drumming has to stop and stop now, not just at 10PM each night, but stopped completely. I live 1/2 block from Zucotti Park, and there are many other residential buildings on Liberty Street and Cedar Street that are affected by this. Are you aware that residential buildings are next to the Park The noise is maddening, I hear it constantly and I am currently working from home as I recover from a recent surgery. You are alienating the people who should be supporting you. Note that I have cc'ed a number or people and organizations, but not the NYPD, not yet; all of them are Democrats who I am sure
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

are sympathetic to your cause. But the drumming has to stop. This neighborhood is not just Wall St bankers, far from it. I am sure you aware of the enormous trauma that occurred in this neighborhood; many of us chose to stay through circumstances I know you cannot imagine. We have lived through enormous destruction and now through construction, which, although quite positive, challenges us on a daily basis, most especially noise. And now we have your constant drumming. Is that fair? Is that inclusive? Is that what you want? There are many, many people in this neighborhood who have not fully recovered psychologically from 9/11. More than you can imagine, who suffer in ways you have absolutely no idea, not just from mental causes, from physical as well. Although we know about the First Responders who have become ill, don't you realize that many residents in Lower Manhattan have also become ill? Do you think the constant drumming can help them or hurt them? Answer that question yourselves. When will you become aware that you are hurting the people who are your allies? Finally, the sanitation issue must get under control. Easy fix: Get PortA-Sans. If your organization is not going to leave Zucotti Park, as many in the Park tell me, then get the sanitation under control and get us some peace in our just-beginning-to-heal neighborhood. Your cause has gained national and international recognition, and for that, you should be commended, and if this does lead to real change in this country, a great victory could be achieved. But for now, I am asking politely and respectfully, stop the drumming. Thank you Steven Abramson 114 Liberty Street

-jeff

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

From: To: Subject: Date:

september17@[Link] on behalf of Jeffery McClain september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Drumming getting more complaints Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] PM

The drumming is DUMB. This is not some Rainbow Tribe Gathering, rather it is a REVOLUTION. That said, don't trust all of these emails come from real nearby residents. This is a great tactic to use if you're rightwing and want to slowly delegitimize the occupation. Beware supposedly sympathetic liberals concerned with sanitation or noise. Too convenient. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@[Link]> wrote: From a resident nearby. Many of these have been coming in.

How about a proposal tonight to ask drummers to cease playing or move to Battery Park for drumming during GA times (7-10pm)?
-justin To Occupy Wall Street As a neighborhood resident, a lifelong Democrat, worker on the Obama campaign, and in general in sync with the politics of OWS, I am telling you here and now that the incessant drumming has to stop and stop now, not just at 10PM each night, but stopped completely. I live 1/2 block from Zucotti Park, and there are many other residential buildings on Liberty Street and Cedar Street that are affected by this. Are you aware that residential buildings are next to the Park The noise is maddening, I hear it constantly and I am currently working from home as I recover from a recent surgery. You are alienating the people who should be supporting you. Note that I have cc'ed a number or people and organizations, but not the NYPD, not yet; all of them are Democrats who I am sure are sympathetic to your cause. But the drumming has to stop. This neighborhood is not just Wall St bankers, far from it. I am sure you aware of the enormous trauma that occurred in this neighborhood; many of us chose to stay through circumstances I know you cannot imagine. We have lived through enormous destruction and now through construction, which, although quite positive, challenges us on a daily basis, most especially noise. And now we have your constant drumming. Is that fair? Is that inclusive? Is that what you want? There are many, many people in this neighborhood who have not fully recovered psychologically from 9/11. More than you can imagine, who suffer in ways you have absolutely no idea, not just from mental causes, from physical as well. Although we know about the First Responders who have become ill, don't you realize that many residents in Lower Manhattan have also become ill? Do you think the constant drumming can help them or hurt them? Answer that question yourselves. When will you become aware that you are hurting the people who are your allies? Finally, the sanitation issue must get under control. Easy fix: Get Port-A-Sans. If
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

your organization is not going to leave Zucotti Park, as many in the Park tell me, then get the sanitation under control and get us some peace in our just-beginningto-heal neighborhood. Your cause has gained national and international recognition, and for that, you should be commended, and if this does lead to real change in this country, a great victory could be achieved. But for now, I am asking politely and respectfully, stop the drumming. Thank you Steven Abramson 114 Liberty Street

-jeff

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

From: To: Cc: Subject: Date:

september17@[Link] on behalf of Amin Husain september17@[Link] september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Drumming getting more complaints Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] PM

That's a great idea Justin. A conflict resolution team has been established by marina Sitrin. It would be interesting to hear her thoughts on this. Call her for best approach? On Oct 11, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@[Link]> wrote: I think many of the concerns about loud drumming come from inside the camp, especially working groups that need some quiet during day. I would recommend inviting the drumming circle(s) to general assembly tonight, to hear this proposal. Who would bring up the proposal? Justin Wedes Educator & Activist Brooklyn, NY ~ will you #occupy? ~ On Oct 11, 2011, at 4:00 PM, Jeffery McClain <redjeffery@[Link]> wrote: The drumming is DUMB. This is not some Rainbow Tribe Gathering, rather it is a REVOLUTION. That said, don't trust all of these emails come from real nearby residents. This is a great tactic to use if you're rightwing and want to slowly delegitimize the occupation. Beware supposedly sympathetic liberals concerned with sanitation or noise. Too convenient. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@[Link]> wrote: From a resident nearby. Many of these have been coming in.

How about a proposal tonight to ask drummers to cease playing or move to Battery Park for drumming during GA times (7-10pm)?
-justin To Occupy Wall Street As a neighborhood resident, a lifelong Democrat, worker on the Obama campaign, and in general in sync with the
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

politics of OWS, I am telling you here and now that the incessant drumming has to stop and stop now, not just at 10PM each night, but stopped completely. I live 1/2 block from Zucotti Park, and there are many other residential buildings on Liberty Street and Cedar Street that are affected by this. Are you aware that residential buildings are next to the Park The noise is maddening, I hear it constantly and I am currently working from home as I recover from a recent surgery. You are alienating the people who should be supporting you. Note that I have cc'ed a number or people and organizations, but not the NYPD, not yet; all of them are Democrats who I am sure are sympathetic to your cause. But the drumming has to stop. This neighborhood is not just Wall St bankers, far from it. I am sure you aware of the enormous trauma that occurred in this neighborhood; many of us chose to stay through circumstances I know you cannot imagine. We have lived through enormous destruction and now through construction, which, although quite positive, challenges us on a daily basis, most especially noise. And now we have your constant drumming. Is that fair? Is that inclusive? Is that what you want? There are many, many people in this neighborhood who have not fully recovered psychologically from 9/11. More than you can imagine, who suffer in ways you have absolutely no idea, not just from mental causes, from physical as well. Although we know about the First Responders who have become ill, don't you realize that many residents in Lower Manhattan have also become ill? Do you think the constant drumming can help them or hurt them? Answer that question yourselves. When will you become aware that you are hurting the people who are your allies? Finally, the sanitation issue must get under control. Easy fix: Get Port-A-Sans. If your organization is not going to leave Zucotti Park, as many in the Park tell me, then get the sanitation under control and get us some peace in our justbeginning-to-heal neighborhood. Your cause has gained national and international recognition, and for that, you should be commended, and if this does lead to real change in this country, a great victory could be achieved. But for now, I am asking politely and respectfully, stop the drumming.

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Thank you Steven Abramson 114 Liberty Street

-jeff

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

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september17@[Link] on behalf of shaista husain september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Egyptian military murders at least 23 protesters Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] AM

Thank you for posting this. After eight months of occupation of Tahrir, more than 2000 protesters have been killed, more than 4000 injured, tens of thousands countless jailed and fined..NO RETREAT!!! NO SURRENDER!!! Here is a statement by Egyptian Revolutionaries--published in socialist worker. [Link]

On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 7:08 PM, acpollack2@[Link] <acpollack2@[Link]> wrote: > They are organizing sectarian attacks on Christians to deflect rising anger > against their continued usurpation of the revolution. Whoever is in touch > with Mohammed Ezzeldin -- whose great speech yesterday got huge coverage -> might want to consult with him about ways we can show solidarity. (And I'll > ask my Egyptian comrades.) > See > [Link] > and > [Link] >

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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Keegan september17@[Link] ows-empowerment-working-group@[Link]; empowerment-and-education@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] EVENT TOMORROW: IN SOLIDARITY WITH INDIGINOUSE PEOPLES - PLEASE PUT UP ON THE WEBSITE AND CIRCULATE Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] PM

Howdy, Iif there's any chance to do more outreach for this or future actions along the same line, please feel free to contact me. I am a fellow at the National Museum of the American Indian, a great ally if we call them to action, due to their proximity. Cheers. Keegan Time's Up! On Oct 9, 2011 11:43 PM, "Bahareh S" <[Link]@[Link]> wrote: Dear all, The Education and Empowerment Group calls for SOLIDARITY WITH INDIGENOUS PEOPLES and RETHINKING COLUMBUS DAY! Tomorrow, October 10th, we are bringing their voices to the plaza at 5pm. Flyer attached. Information pasted below. And facebook invite link can be found at [Link] Can someone PLEASE put this information on the website and the calender?? We have reached out to various people with access to the website to support us upload this information for days now but unfortunately it still does not appear. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR PROMPT ACTION! Bahareh

IN SOLIDARITY WITH INDIGNIOUS PEOPLE Celebrating Genocide in America: Columbus Day and Indigenous People Monday, October 10 at 5 pm Location: Southeast Corner of Zuccotti Park
(Underneath big red sculpture)

On Monday October 10th, members of the indigenous community from Owe Aku International Justice Project, First Voice Indigenous Radio, and the United Confederation of the Taino people will bring their voices to Occupy Wall Street and remind us to rethink Columbus day. They will also address how corporate greed and indigenous history have for hundreds of years been an integral part of the indigenous struggle to maintain a way of life, maintain Indigenous territories, and fulfill Indigneous responsibilities to the environment for future generations.

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

"Corporate greed is the driving factor for the global oppression and suffering of Indigenous populations. It is the driving factor for the conquest and continued suffering for the Indigenous peoples on this continent. The effects of greed eventually spills over and negatively impacts all peoples, everywhere. Indigenous peoples feel the pain first, but it eventually reaches all people. Understand our suffering to understand yours."
Rosalie Little Thunder. (Sicangu Lakota, Owe Aku International Justice Project, a Lakota grass-roots human rights organization based on Lakota territories on the High Plains of North American and, internationally, in New York City). Indigenous peoples and supporters seek the formal revocation of the 1493 [command] by the Vatican to Christopher Columbus on his second voyage to the 'new world. Along with the 1494 Treaty of Todesillas, both decrees seek to establish domination world-wide and call for subjugation of non-Christian peoples and seizure (occupation) of our lands.

An estimated 100 million Indigenous peoples were eradicated during the process of Europe's colonization of the western hemisphere.
The Inter Caetera is the foundation of the international system we live under today and directly related to the corporate-state-military occupation and rape of Mother Earth. Tiokasin Ghost Horse, Host of First Voices Indigenous Radio on WBAI.
Broadway & Cedar St. nr. Liberty St., at SE corner of Liberty Plaza/Zucotti Park; TRANSIT: #4, 5 to Wall St. (north exits) or to Fulton; R (not N) to Rector St. (at Trinity Pl.) or to Cortlandt St. (at Church St.: both platforms now open); A, C to Broadway-Nassau (at Fulton); J to Fulton (at Nassau); #1 to Rector (at Greenwich); Broadway bus; Varick St. bus; Water St.

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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Cesar september17@[Link] september17@[Link]; ows-empowerment-working-group@[Link]; empowerment-andeducation@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] EVENT TOMORROW: IN SOLIDARITY WITH INDIGINOUSE PEOPLES - PLEASE PUT UP ON THE WEBSITE AND CIRCULATE Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] AM

Thanks Keegan, please try to reach out as much as possible. We have been trying to get it posted in our web sites, which have thousands of viewers per hour, without success. We do not know what is the problem, but we have a problem geting acces to the people in charge of posting. Perhaps more recruiting for the web page effort is needed, or perhaps the issue does not have high priority for whoever decides what goes online. Either way we would like to know. I hope somebody responds. Just, constructive criticism. Cesar Sent from phone

On Oct 9, 2011, at 11:57 PM, Keegan <alaskak@[Link]> wrote: Howdy, Iif there's any chance to do more outreach for this or future actions along the same line, please feel free to contact me. I am a fellow at the National Museum of the American Indian, a great ally if we call them to action, due to their proximity. Cheers. Keegan Time's Up! On Oct 9, 2011 11:43 PM, "Bahareh S" <[Link]@[Link]> wrote: Dear all, The Education and Empowerment Group calls for SOLIDARITY WITH INDIGENOUS PEOPLES and RETHINKING COLUMBUS DAY! Tomorrow, October 10th, we are bringing their voices to the plaza at 5pm. Flyer attached. Information pasted below. And facebook invite link can be found at [Link] Can someone PLEASE put this information on the website and the calender?? We have reached out to various people with access to the website to support us upload this information for days now but unfortunately it still does not appear. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR PROMPT ACTION!
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IN SOLIDARITY WITH INDIGNIOUS PEOPLE Celebrating Genocide in America: Columbus Day and Indigenous People Monday, October 10 at 5 pm Location: Southeast Corner of Zuccotti Park
(Underneath big red sculpture)

On Monday October 10th, members of the indigenous community from Owe Aku International Justice Project, First Voice Indigenous Radio, and the United Confederation of the Taino people will bring their voices to Occupy Wall Street and remind us to rethink Columbus day. They will also address how corporate greed and indigenous history have for hundreds of years been an integral part of the indigenous struggle to maintain a way of life, maintain Indigenous territories, and fulfill Indigneous responsibilities to the environment for future generations.

"Corporate greed is the driving factor for the global oppression and suffering of Indigenous populations. It is the driving factor for the conquest and continued suffering for the Indigenous peoples on this continent. The effects of greed eventually spills over and negatively impacts all peoples, everywhere. Indigenous peoples feel the pain first, but it eventually reaches all people. Understand our suffering to understand yours."
Rosalie Little Thunder. (Sicangu Lakota, Owe Aku International Justice Project, a Lakota grass-roots human rights organization based on Lakota territories on the High Plains of North American and, internationally, in New York City). Indigenous peoples and supporters seek the formal revocation of the 1493 [command] by the Vatican to Christopher Columbus on his second voyage to the 'new world. Along with the 1494 Treaty of Todesillas, both decrees seek to establish domination world-wide and call for subjugation of non-Christian peoples and seizure (occupation) of our lands.

An estimated 100 million Indigenous peoples were eradicated during the process of Europe's colonization of the western hemisphere.
The Inter Caetera is the foundation of the international system we live under today and directly related to the corporatestate-military occupation and rape of Mother Earth. Tiokasin Ghost Horse, Host of First Voices Indigenous Radio on WBAI.
Broadway & Cedar St. nr. Liberty St., at SE corner of Liberty Plaza/Zucotti Park;
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TRANSIT: #4, 5 to Wall St. (north exits) or to Fulton; R (not N) to Rector St. (at Trinity Pl.) or to Cortlandt St. (at Church St.: both platforms now open); A, C to BroadwayNassau (at Fulton); J to Fulton (at Nassau); #1 to Rector (at Greenwich); Broadway bus; Varick St. bus; Water St.

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september17@[Link] on behalf of rob hollander september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Excellent essay on OWS: No Demand is Big Enough Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

Great idea, grim. Then OWS will be a source of reliable information for everyone regardless of ideology or political orientation. It lends legitimacy to the movement and focuses on the problems, which are indisputable, rather than on certain demands which may be disputed. On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 3:47 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@[Link]> wrote: I would like to add for the tweeters, tumblrs, and other internet promoters should be forwarding as much information about the issues we face from sources outside the movement if possible... [Link] is an independent outfit that has a lot of info on their pages... and the regular press... nytimes washington post, the like actually have articles that talk about the wealth imbalance (or whatever you want to put out there) Bring the conversation to actual issues and facts abt the foundations of why we are all here.... focus the conversation on that and we should be great. On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 3:38 PM, rob hollander <lesrrd@[Link]> wrote: > Whatever the reason for no demands, it has worked well. People across the > nation understand the issues being addressed by OWS without being it spelled > out to them. And since they themselves don't know enough to determine the > best solution, there's nothing gained by telling them any one solution. > > The message is the imbalance in our governance. Whether that is cashed out > as impossible idealism or level-headed pragmatic measures, the direction is > clear and broad and principled. > > And it's not, as the Tea Party was, directed at a particular elected > official, or created as a response to a particular elected official. In that > sense, it is much, much larger than the Tea Party and much more principled. > > > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 1:55 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@[Link]> wrote: >> >> [Link] >> "Occupy Wall Street has been criticized for its lack of clear demands, but >> how do we issue demands, when what we really want is nothing less than the >> more beautiful world our hearts tell us is possible? No demand is big >> enough. We could make lists of demands for new public policies: tax the >> wealthy, raise the minimum wage, protect the environment, end the wars, >> regulate the banks. While we know these are positive steps, they aren't >> quite what motivated people to occupy Wall Street. What needs attention is >> something deeper: the power structures, ideologies, and institutions that >> prevented these steps from being taken years ago; indeed, that made these >> steps even necessary." >
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> > > > > > > > > >

-Rob Hollander Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development [Link] 622 E 11, #10 NYC, 10009 212-228-6152

-Rob Hollander Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development [Link] 622 E 11, #10 NYC, 10009 212-228-6152

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september17@[Link] on behalf of gail zawacki september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Excellent essay on OWS: No Demand is Big Enough Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

John, is this what you are looking for? [Link] the important part is at the end: these grievances are not all-inclusive! On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:18 PM, <jemcgloin@[Link]> wrote:
I like positive love filled sweep of this piece. I agree with most of it. But I do think we need to communicate something more concrete to the 99%. People who are out of work and losing their house are not interested in grand visions of a possible world. They want solutions to their problems. It may be that the mere existance of OWS and a big message will help, but I think we can oppose things that are obviously harmful. I personaly am not asking anyone to give up "rational self interest." I am only asking them to give up greed, which is irrational. Far sighted rational self interested saves the people and the environment and the economy all at the same time. The rational part means you have to figure it out and make it work though. We could start be putting forth a set of principles, that would communicate to the world the general direction that we want to go. There was a group working on such a thing but I don't know where to find them. Demands don't always have to be in the positive either. End slavery is a perfectly reasonable demand. Like I said I like the article, but many in the 99% need real help right now. Thanks, John

On 10/10/11, gail zawacki<witsendnj@[Link]> wrote: [Link]

"Occupy Wall Street has been criticized for its lack of clear demands, but how do we issue demands, when what we really want is nothing less than the more beautiful world our hearts tell us is possible? No demand is big enough. We could make lists of demands for new public policies: tax the wealthy, raise the minimum wage, protect the environment, end the wars, regulate the banks. While we know these are positive steps, they aren't quite what motivated people to occupy Wall Street. What needs attention is something deeper: the power structures, ideologies, and institutions that prevented these steps from being taken years ago; indeed, that made these steps even necessary."

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september17@[Link] on behalf of gail zawacki september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Excellent essay on OWS: No Demand is Big Enough Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

I think that's true. The only people "no demands" isn't working for is the msm. Let them squirm! On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 3:38 PM, rob hollander <lesrrd@[Link]> wrote: Whatever the reason for no demands, it has worked well. People across the nation understand the issues being addressed by OWS without being it spelled out to them. And since they themselves don't know enough to determine the best solution, there's nothing gained by telling them any one solution. The message is the imbalance in our governance. Whether that is cashed out as impossible idealism or level-headed pragmatic measures, the direction is clear and broad and principled. And it's not, as the Tea Party was, directed at a particular elected official, or created as a response to a particular elected official. In that sense, it is much, much larger than the Tea Party and much more principled.

On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 1:55 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@[Link]> wrote: [Link] "Occupy Wall Street has been criticized for its lack of clear demands, but how do we issue demands, when what we really want is nothing less than the more beautiful world our hearts tell us is possible? No demand is big enough. We could make lists of demands for new public policies: tax the wealthy, raise the minimum wage, protect the environment, end the wars, regulate the banks. While we know these are positive steps, they aren't quite what motivated people to occupy Wall Street. What needs attention is something deeper: the power structures, ideologies, and institutions that prevented these steps from being taken years ago; indeed, that made these steps even necessary."

-Rob Hollander Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development [Link] 622 E 11, #10 NYC, 10009 212-228-6152

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september17@[Link] on behalf of grimwomyn september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Excellent essay on OWS: No Demand is Big Enough Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

I would like to add for the tweeters, tumblrs, and other internet promoters should be forwarding as much information about the issues we face from sources outside the movement if possible... [Link] is an independent outfit that has a lot of info on their pages... and the regular press... nytimes washington post, the like actually have articles that talk about the wealth imbalance (or whatever you want to put out there) Bring the conversation to actual issues and facts abt the foundations of why we are all here.... focus the conversation on that and we should be great. On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 3:38 PM, rob hollander <lesrrd@[Link]> wrote: > Whatever the reason for no demands, it has worked well. People across the > nation understand the issues being addressed by OWS without being it spelled > out to them. And since they themselves don't know enough to determine the > best solution, there's nothing gained by telling them any one solution. > > The message is the imbalance in our governance. Whether that is cashed out > as impossible idealism or level-headed pragmatic measures, the direction is > clear and broad and principled. > > And it's not, as the Tea Party was, directed at a particular elected > official, or created as a response to a particular elected official. In that > sense, it is much, much larger than the Tea Party and much more principled. > > > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 1:55 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@[Link]> wrote: >> >> [Link] >> "Occupy Wall Street has been criticized for its lack of clear demands, but >> how do we issue demands, when what we really want is nothing less than the >> more beautiful world our hearts tell us is possible? No demand is big >> enough. We could make lists of demands for new public policies: tax the >> wealthy, raise the minimum wage, protect the environment, end the wars, >> regulate the banks. While we know these are positive steps, they aren't >> quite what motivated people to occupy Wall Street. What needs attention is >> something deeper: the power structures, ideologies, and institutions that >> prevented these steps from being taken years ago; indeed, that made these >> steps even necessary." > > > -> Rob Hollander > Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development > [Link] > 622 E 11, #10 > NYC, 10009 > 212-228-6152 > >

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september17@[Link] on behalf of rob hollander september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Excellent essay on OWS: No Demand is Big Enough Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

Whatever the reason for no demands, it has worked well. People across the nation understand the issues being addressed by OWS without being it spelled out to them. And since they themselves don't know enough to determine the best solution, there's nothing gained by telling them any one solution. The message is the imbalance in our governance. Whether that is cashed out as impossible idealism or level-headed pragmatic measures, the direction is clear and broad and principled. And it's not, as the Tea Party was, directed at a particular elected official, or created as a response to a particular elected official. In that sense, it is much, much larger than the Tea Party and much more principled.

On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 1:55 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@[Link]> wrote: [Link] "Occupy Wall Street has been criticized for its lack of clear demands, but how do we issue demands, when what we really want is nothing less than the more beautiful world our hearts tell us is possible? No demand is big enough. We could make lists of demands for new public policies: tax the wealthy, raise the minimum wage, protect the environment, end the wars, regulate the banks. While we know these are positive steps, they aren't quite what motivated people to occupy Wall Street. What needs attention is something deeper: the power structures, ideologies, and institutions that prevented these steps from being taken years ago; indeed, that made these steps even necessary."

-Rob Hollander Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development [Link] 622 E 11, #10 NYC, 10009 212-228-6152

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september17@[Link] on behalf of grimwomyn september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Excellent essay on OWS: No Demand is Big Enough Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

twinkle On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:43 PM, rob hollander <lesrrd@[Link]> wrote: > Great idea, grim. Then OWS will be a source of reliable information for > everyone regardless of ideology or political orientation. It lends > legitimacy to the movement and focuses on the problems, which are > indisputable, rather than on certain demands which may be disputed. > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 3:47 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@[Link]> wrote: >> >> I would like to add for the tweeters, tumblrs, and other internet >> promoters should be forwarding as much information about the issues we >> face from sources outside the movement if possible... [Link] >> is an independent outfit that has a lot of info on their pages... and >> the regular press... nytimes washington post, the like actually have >> articles that talk about the wealth imbalance (or whatever you want to >> put out there) >> >> Bring the conversation to actual issues and facts abt the foundations >> of why we are all here.... focus the conversation on that and we >> should be great. >> >> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 3:38 PM, rob hollander <lesrrd@[Link]> wrote: >> > Whatever the reason for no demands, it has worked well. People across >> > the >> > nation understand the issues being addressed by OWS without being it >> > spelled >> > out to them. And since they themselves don't know enough to determine >> > the >> > best solution, there's nothing gained by telling them any one solution. >> > >> > The message is the imbalance in our governance. Whether that is cashed >> > out >> > as impossible idealism or level-headed pragmatic measures, the direction >> > is >> > clear and broad and principled. >> > >> > And it's not, as the Tea Party was, directed at a particular elected >> > official, or created as a response to a particular elected official. In >> > that >> > sense, it is much, much larger than the Tea Party and much more >> > principled. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 1:55 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@[Link]> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> [Link] >> >> "Occupy Wall Street has been criticized for its lack of clear demands, >> >> but >> >> how do we issue demands, when what we really want is nothing less than >> >> the

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>> >> more beautiful world our hearts tell us is possible? No demand is big >> >> enough. We could make lists of demands for new public policies: tax the >> >> wealthy, raise the minimum wage, protect the environment, end the wars, >> >> regulate the banks. While we know these are positive steps, they aren't >> >> quite what motivated people to occupy Wall Street. What needs attention >> >> is >> >> something deeper: the power structures, ideologies, and institutions >> >> that >> >> prevented these steps from being taken years ago; indeed, that made >> >> these >> >> steps even necessary." >> > >> > >> > ->> > Rob Hollander >> > Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development >> > [Link] >> > 622 E 11, #10 >> > NYC, 10009 >> > 212-228-6152 >> > >> > > > > > -> Rob Hollander > Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development > [Link] > 622 E 11, #10 > NYC, 10009 > 212-228-6152 > >

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Jon Good september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Expanding: Here"s a list of spaces with the same classification as Zuccotti Park Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] PM

That would be clever. I say we try it. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 5:15 PM, <jemcgloin@[Link]> wrote:

Can I suggest that if you do decide to take another space that it be done without a march or signs, but as a quietly as possible.

On 10/11/11, Jason Jones<surplus@[Link]> wrote: The occupation expands to on any one of these places and Bloomberg or Ray Kelly is not legally allowed to do anything [Link]

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september17@[Link] on behalf of jemcgloin@[Link] september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Expanding: Here"s a list of spaces with the same classification as Zuccotti Park Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] PM

Can I suggest that if you do decide to take another space that it be done without a march or signs, but as a quietly as possible.

On 10/11/11, Jason Jones<surplus@[Link]> wrote: The occupation expands to on any one of these places and Bloomberg or Ray Kelly is not legally allowed to do anything [Link]

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Will Gauss september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Expanding: Here"s a list of spaces with the same classification as Zuccotti Park Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] PM

Flash mob that lays down a hundred or so sleeping bags at once. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 11, 2011, at 5:15 PM, jemcgloin@[Link] wrote:
Can I suggest that if you do decide to take another space that it be done without a march or signs, but as a quietly as possible.

On 10/11/11, Jason Jones<surplus@[Link]> wrote: The occupation expands to on any one of these places and Bloomberg or Ray Kelly is not legally allowed to do anything [Link]

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] For the media team: MUY IMPORTANTE Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

Time to move to the secret cave.. Love you guys, Justin On Oct 10, 2011, at 3:55 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@[Link]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, we just had a visitor to the paper office that was given our location by someone from the media team. I know it was well intentioned, but we are running a revolutionary paper and a quick primer of activist history will reveal that we could be a major target. Our location is not to be revealed to anyone-- please text me if you have questions or want to connect someone directly on the paper, I am project managing it.... Thank yougrim 347.682.9783

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] for those discussing OWS and antieviction movements: Fw: Victory! But Is Occupy Wall Street A Moment or a Movement? Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] PM

This is also happening in NYC this Thursday at [Link] [o4o] People's Auction - Next Thursday! Thursday, October 13, from 2:30pm until 5:00pm Kings County Supreme Court (360 Adams Street, Brooklyn) [As of last week, an organizer expected this might instead actually be on the Court St. side of the courthouse, near corner of Montague St., in Columbus Park. TRANSIT: #2, 3 train to Borough Hall (west exit, nearest Manhattan, to Court & Montague, then turn left after turnstile); R (never N) to Court St.-Borough Hall & use east stairs, furthest from Manhattan, to Court & Montague, instead of the elevator end); #4, 5 to Borough Hall (west exit to Joralemon & Court); A, C, F or R to Jay St.- Metrotech/Lawrence St. station complex; G to Hoyt-Schermerhorn (& turn right onto Schermerhorn); bus extravaganza <[Link] > -t.] (646) 222-6125 / o4o@[Link] [1] END FORECLOSURES! END EVICTIONS! Banks are foreclosing with fraudulent loan documents - we demand a moratorium on all foreclosures! City-run foreclosure auctions are making people homeless every week: Brooklyn: Thursdays at 3pm Queens: Fridays at 11am Bronx: Mondays at 2pm Join us on October 13th at 2:30pm for a People's Auction! We will bring our struggles directly to the courts and give a voice to the thousands of New Yorkers who have lost their homes to foreclosure. Meet outside Kings County Supreme Court (360 Adams Street, Brooklyn). #o4onyc To contact o4o, email us at o4o@[Link] [1] or call (646) 222-6125 Visit us on the web at [Link] [Link] [2] On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:14 PM, acpollack2@[Link] <acpollack2@[Link]> wrote: see attached re victory in LA Please note: forwarded message attached From: merithew@[Link] To: H-LABOR@[Link]
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Subject: Victory! But Is Occupy Wall Street A Moment or a Movement? Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 [Link] -0400

---------- Forwarded message ---------From: merithew@[Link] To: H-LABOR@[Link] Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 [Link] -0400 Subject: Victory! But Is Occupy Wall Street A Moment or a Movement? From: "Peter Dreier" <dreier@[Link]> Date: Fri, October 7, 2011 2:44 am *Friends and Colleagues:* *The protesters challenging the big banks and the super-rich won a dramatic victory in Los Angeles today, as I describe below. OneWest Bank, the biggest bank based in Southern California, and Fannie Mae, stopped their foreclosure and eviction against Rose Gudiel, a working class homeowner, in response to a brilliantly executed protest movement by community and union activists.* *The question facing the activists is this: Is the Occupy Wall Street phenomenon a moment of protest or a movement for change? As a write in The Nation this week, * *If the Occupy Wall Street activists join forces with the unions and community groups, they could catalyze a massive nationwide movement to resist foreclosures and block evictions. They could also put pressure on local and state lawmakers to pass tougher legislation. And they could inject the foreclosure crisisand the banking industrys culpability for the recessioninto the presidential and Congressional elections. * *It appears that this convergence of Occupy Wall Street (which has now spread to dozens of cities) and the unions and community organizing groups -- that have been working for years to spark a movement like this may be happening. They now face the dilemma confronted by the American Left for years: Can they bring together visionary calls for radical change with specific demands for immediate reform? * *Today, participating in a rally and march in downtown LA, cosponsored by Occupy LA and union/community/faith coalition led by ACCE and SEIU, that attracted several thousand people, Gudiel announced the following:*** *Id like to announce that the bank called me today to arrange a meeting, to discuss a modification proposal from Fannie Mae. I have also learned that my eviction has been canceled. We are very happy that they have finally come to the table, and I hope they are serious about negotiating a reasonable modification, which is what I have been requesting for over two years. And I hope that they will change their policies to stop taking the homes the thousands of hardworking families facing preventable foreclosure. Thank you.*** *Imagine 25, 50, 100, 500, or 1000 homeowners like Rose Gudiel,

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victims of banking abuses and economic downtown, following Gudiels example in greater LA! *** *Imagine the Occupy Wall Street activists and their counterparts in LA, Chicago, Boston, Seattle, San Francisco, and elsewhere linking arms with members of community groups and union to block evictions all over the country! *** *Imagine, as they join forces to stop banks and sheriffs from evicting the victims of Wall Street-induced recession, that the combined forces of the union/community groups and the Occupy Wall Street activists showed up at the homes and offices of Republican Senators and House members, demanding that they pass Obamas jobs bill, confirm **Richard Cordray (Obamas nominee to head the Consumer Protection Finance Bureau, whom the GOP is opposing), and toughen regulations on banks. * *Imagine if these same folks worked to push Congress to pass a recent** proposal by the National Labor Relations Board that would make it slightly easier for workers to organize unions, and which is being ferociously opposed by the US Chamber of Commerce, the Koch brothers, and the National Association of Manufacturers, as Gordon Lafer writes about in the current (October 10) issue of The Nation.*** *Imagine if the Occupy Wall Street activists and their counterparts got involved in the grunt work (voter registration, phone banking, door-knocking) required to help elect Elizabeth Warren to the U.S. Senate from Massachusetts as well as helped elect other liberal and progressive Democrats, including President Obama, next November.*** *A scenario like the one described in the bullet points above is possible.* *My Nation article, pasted below, is one of a series of articles in the forthcoming October 24 issue of The Nation, some of which are available on-line, that explore these possibilities ([Link] So does Harold Meyersons Washington Post column, Rescuing America from Wall Street, linked here: [Link] * *In the past week alone, the Occupy Wall Street crusade has not only spread to dozens of cities and (after being ignored for several weeks) generated increasingly respectful media coverage, but won the support of the labor movement, MoveOn, key members of Congress, the Los Angeles City Council, and others. After being grilled by Sen. Bernie Sanders two days ago, Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke reluctantly expressed his agreement with the grievances of the Occupy Wall Street folks. Watch the Sanders-Bernanke exchange here:** **[Link] **It is a great example of why it is important to have strong allies like Sanders in Congress.* *Meyerson and many others are wondering how to keep the momentum going so that the spark lit by the Occupy Wall Street activists doesnt fizzle out.
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Eventually, the mainstream media will grow tired of covering daily demonstrations and marches in the streets of major cities (and all but the hard core of activists will grow tired of camping out and marching) unless the Occupy Wall Street campaign begins to make specific demands that can help win specific victories. * ** *Protest and civil disobedience like the sit-down strikes at auto factories in the 1930s and the lunch counter sit-ins in the 1960s succeed when its participants and its sympathizers are fighting for something specific, and their victories become stepping-stones to more and more bold, radical reforms. The best thing that could happen to the Occupy Wall Street activists in NYC and elsewhere is to join forces with homeowners fighting foreclosures and evictions. During the Depression, radicals organized rural farmers and urban tenants to resist foreclosures and evictions by banks, sheriffs, judges, and landlords. Progressives within FDRs inner circle like Henry Wallace and Frances Perkins along with progressives and liberals in Congress used this upsurge of radical protest to push for New Deal legislation that helped farmers, workers, and the unemployed. * *If this idea seems far-fetched in the current political climate, take a look at what has happened in Los Angeles in the past week. Today activists there won an important, heartening victory by using protest and civil disobedience to stop a bank from foreclosing and evicting on a working-class family victimized by greedy banks and the economic crisis.* *Rose Gudiel, who juggles two jobs and lives with her parents and brother in a working-class suburb of Los Angeles, has become the public face of a burgeoning crusade to defend homeowners from unfair evictions. The 35-year old Gudiel belongs to the Alliance of Californians for Community Empowerment (ACCE, a group formed after the collapse of ACORN in California) and the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), organizations that have led the fight for bank reform in California. Their protests are rooted in the specific grievances of their mostly low-income and working-class members, who have been laid off, ripped off and evicted by banks engaged in predatory lending. ACCE, SEIU and other California unions and community groups have been mobilizing homeowners since the beginning of the economic crisis. Theyve organized meetings with bank officials to try to get them to modify loans rather than foreclose on homeowners. When negotiations break down, the activists have resorted to protests and civil disobedience to draw attention to abusive practices and the banks failure to deal with homeowners in good faith.* *Two years ago the Gudiel family missed one mortgage payment after her brother was killed and the family lost his income and Rose, a state government employee, lost some income because of state furloughs due to the states fiscal crisis. The family quickly recovered and wanted to resume making its mortgage payments, but OneWest Bank quickly began foreclosure proceedings rather than help modify the familys mortgage. Facing the possibility of eviction. Gudiel, her neighbors, co-workers and supporters
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from the ACCE and SEIU last week began a round-the-clock vigil at her house. They pledged to risk arrest if the LA County sheriff tried to evict them from her home after Fannie Mae and OneWest Bank issued a foreclosure notice. These videos document that courageous efforts of Gudiel and her supporters: [Link] [Link] * *On Tuesday this week, ACCE, SEIU, and other supporters protested at the $26 million Bel Air mansion of Steve Mnuchin, the CEO of OneWest Bank, based in Pasadena. (See video footage here: [Link] and here [Link] My article, Steve Mnuchin, Meet Rose Gudiel in Huffington Post a few days ago, looks at the disparity between multi-millionaire Mnuchin and working class homeowners like Gudiel. [Link] . On Wednesday, ACCE, SEIU and Gudiel and other supporters occupied the Fannie Mae office in Pasadena. Gudiel and six others arrested. (See this video of the protest [Link] and this article in the Pasadena Star-News ( [Link] LA County Sheriff Lee Baca obviously did not want to have to evict Gudiel and her family, including her disabled mother (who uses a wheelchair) and her father (a warehouse worker). So he stalled for time, contacted OneWest and Fannie Mae, hoping these giant institutions would do the right thing and modify Gudiels mortgage so her family could stay in their home.* *Now it appears that the Gudiel family will get their house back and they owe their victory to the solidarity shown by their friends and neighbors, the months of hard work of ACCE, SEIU and their allies (particularly ACCE organizer Peter Kuhns), and the shifting political climate triggered by the new Occupy Wall Street activists. In between marches and protests, I encourage the Occupy Wall Street folks to read Cohens book, Nothing to Fear. Heres what theyll learn: * ** *When FDR was elected in November 1932, and even after he took office in March 1933, his ideas about what to do were very unclear. He promised Americans a new deal but he had very few specifics. In fact, FDR was in many ways a cautious, even conservative, politician. The one clear idea he had in mind when he took office was to cut the federal budget, and the person he hired to do that job was his budget director, a conservative Congressman from Arizona named Lewis Douglas. He was also, initially, reluctant to use the power of government to regulate business practices, to create jobs, to support union organizing, or to support struggling farmers.* ** *Cohen describes a ongoing battle that went on for FDRs heart and mind. It was a battle that went on inside the White House and outside the White House.*
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** *Inside** the White House, it was a battle between FDRs progressives advisors and cabinet members like Labor Secretary Frances Perkins, Harry Hopkins, Henry Wallace, and Rexford Tugwell and more moderate and even conservative advisors.* ** *Outside** the White House, it was a battle between grassroots organizations and business groups. The grassroots groups included labor unions, community organizing groups, and organized small family farmers, including a radical group called the National Farmers Union. The business groups included banks, manufacturers, the real estate industry, and corporate farmers. These business groups were split between right-wing reactionary business leaders and more moderate groups and even a handful of liberal business leaders who recognized the need for reform. * ** *FDR, as well as members of Congress, were influenced by the rising tide of protest taking place all over America. The nation was three years into the Depression 1932 before there were large-scale protest. It had been simmering under the surface. But at first, people were afraid, paralysed, blamed themselves, felt ashamed, not sure what to do or if there was anything to do at all. * ** *Workers, and farmers, and community groups were organizing people, but it didnt surface publicly until those feelings of shame, fear and paralysis were pushed aside. * ** *Cohen tells a story that is pretty scary, but which also reveals the depths of desperation that many Americans felt at the time.* ** *Almost half of all Americans made their living directly or indirectly from agriculture.** Between 1929 and 1932, when FDR took office, farm income had fallen by two- thirds. Farm foreclosures were happening at a record pace. Farming communities were emptying out, as family farmers and sharecroppers abandoned the land looking for jobs elsewhere, like the situation portrayed in Steinbecks novel, and the film, Grapes of Wrath.* ** *As Cohen recounts: * **
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*Farmers who stayed on the land were responding to their bleak circumstances with extreme politics and lawlessness. In January (1932), in Pilger, Nebraska, a crowd of hundreds had shown up to disrupt a foreclosure sale. At a foreclosure sale the same month in Le Mars, Iowa, a crowd had dragged a lawyer from New York Life Insurance Company down the courthouse steps. His life in danger, the lawyer...telegraphed his employer and asked for permission to bid the full amount the farmer was asking.* ** *In May 1932, 2000 farmers descended on the state fairgrounds in Des Moines to form the Farmers Holiday Association. The group urged farmers to declare a holiday from farming, under the slogan, Stay at Home - Buy Nothing - Sell Nothing. In effect, they were urging farmers to go on strike to withhold their corn, beef, pork, and milk, until the government addressed their problems. They threatened to call a national farmers strike if Congress did not provide farmers with legislative justice.* ** *In Sioux City Iowa, farmers put wooden planks with nails on the highways to block agricultural deliveries. In Nebraska, one group of farmers showed up at a foreclosure sale and saw to it that every item that had been seized from a farmers widow sold for 5 cents, leaving the bank with a total settlement of just $5.35. This tactics quickly spread throughout the farm belt.* ** *Perhaps the most scary example of farmers anger boiling over took place on April 27, 1932 in Le Mars, Iowa. There, a group of farmers pulled Judge Charles Bradley off the bench while he was hearing foreclosure cases. They carried him out of the courthouse and, when he refused to swear not to sign any more foreclosures, threw him into a farm truck and drove him to the outskirts of town. The mob pulled down his pants and put a noose around his neck. The farmers stopped short of a lynching...and simply left him dazed by the side of the road.* ** *Farmers were becoming more radicalized by the day. Edward ONeal, president of the Farm Bureau Federation, warned Congress that unless something is done for the American farmer we will have a revolution in this country within less than twelve months.* ** *According to Cohen, these protests by farmers, increased the sense of urgency in Washington. Secretary of Agriculture Henry Wallace and progressive Democrats in Congress kept FDR aware of these protests, which helped them out-maneuver their more moderate colleagues. This combination of outside protest and inside maneuvering soon led to passage of the
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Agricultural Adjustment Act and the Emergency Farm Mortgage Act that radically changed the economics of farming.* ** *This same dynamic played out in the big cities, among veterans, tenants, among the unemployed, and among workers. In the spring and summer of 1932, protest erupted among veterans of World War One, many of them out of work and hungry. More than 20,000 of them from across the country joined a Bonus Army march on Washington. The veterans were holding government bonus certificates for their military service, which were due more than a dozen years in the future. They demanded that Congress pay off on them now, when they desperately needed the money. Most of them camped across the Potomac River from the Capitol on Anacostia Flats, in make-shift huts. * ** *The bill to pay off on the bonus passed the House, but was defeated in the Senate, and some veterans, discouraged, left. Most stayed some encamped in government buildings near the Capitol, the rest on Anacostia Flats. President Hoover ordered the army to evict them. They used horses, tear gas, and machine guns. This led to a bloody scene, and two veterans were killed.* ** *But the Bonus Army didnt give up, especially after FDR was elected. They returned to Washington to lobby for an immediate payment of their bonuses and to protest the keep cuts that FDR was making to their benefits as part of his budget-cutting plan. * ** *FDR wanted to avoid another bloody riot with veterans that had hurt Hoovers reputation. In contrast to Hoover, FDR invited the Bonus Marchers to camp at a nearby army fort and provided them with meals, medical care and entertainment by the Navy band. One of FDRs progressive aides suggested that Eleanor Roosevelt go visit the veterans, and she spent time with them, listening to their complaints. One of the veterans said: Hoover sent the Army. Roosevelt sent his wife. * ** *More importantly, FDR acted to respond to their protests. He didnt restore their army bonuses, but he did issue an executive order setting aside 25,000 places for veterans in the Civilian Conservation Corps, the first of the New Deal public works programs.* ** *In the 1930s, America was primarily a nation of renters, and during the Depression, there were huge waves of evictions, because they didnt have the income to pay rent. Utility companies shut off electricity and heat.*

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** *As Howard Zinn recounts in A Peoples History of the United States, a renter in New York City wrote a letter to Congressman Fiorello La Guardia, a progressive politician who represented a poor district in Harlem: * ** *You know my condition is bad... It is now nearly seven months I am out of work. I hope you will try to do something for me.. .. I have four children who are in need of clothes and food.. .. My daughter who is eight is very ill and not recovering. My rent is due two months and I am afraid of being put out. * ** *Many tenants went beyond these pleas for help. In many big cities, when word spread that a family was being evicted, Often a crowd would gather sometimes 10 people, sometimes a few hundred people. The police would remove the furniture from the house, put it out in the street, and the crowd would bring the furniture back. This happened so often that some police officers would refuse to evict or arrest people. These actions were organized by radicals Communists and Socialists but they attracted a large following of people who werent radicals but were desperate, angry, and willing to take action.* ** *These protests set the stage for the New Deals public housing programs, the first time that the federal government provided subsidies to create affordable housing.* ** *In January 1933, several hundred jobless surrounded a restaurant just off Union Square in New York demanding they be fed without charge. In Seattle in, February 1933, about 5,000 unemployed people occupied the County-City Building demanding jobs or relief. These and similar protests around the country set the stage for the nations first cash assistance program for struggling families.* ** *Through the 1930s, workers engaged in massive and illegal strikes and sit-down protests in factories throughout the country. A million and a half workers in different industries went on strike in 1934, including longshoremen, teamsters, factory workers, and retail clerks. In San Francisco, 130,000 workers joined a general strike.* ** *In Michigan - where workers had taken over a number of auto plants - a
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sympathetic governor, Democrat Frank Murphy, refused to allow the National Guard to eject the protestors even after they had defied an injunction to evacuate the factories. His mediating role helped end the strike on terms that provided a victory for the workers and their union. * ** *President Roosevelt soon recognized that his ability to push New Deal legislation through Congress depended on the pressure generated by protestors. As the protests escalated throughout the country, Roosevelt became more vocal, using his bully pulpit to lash out at big business for their greed and selfishness. He used his speeches, and his fireside chats on the radio, to explain his New Deal agenda and to encourage people to contact their Congressmembers to promote workers' rights and to. Labor organizers felt confident in proclaiming, "FDR wants you to join the union." * ** *With Roosevelt setting the tone, with his progressive aides like Frances Perkins and Henry Wallace maneuvering within the administration, and with allies like Senator Robert Wagner maneuvering in Congress, labor protests helped win legislation guaranteeing workers' right to organize, the minimum wage, and the 40-hour week.* ** *The economic and political conditions in America right now arent the same as in the Depression, but the protests of the past few weeks indicate that Americans are angry and frustrated. The Tea Party doesnt have the answers to address these deep-rooted problems. Perhaps the Occupy Wall Street moment will turn into a progressive movement like America witnessed in the Depression. *

[image: The Nation] Published on *The Nation* ([Link] -----------------------------Occupying Wall Street, Building a Movement Peter Dreier | October 5, 2011 If youre confused about the wave of protests sweeping the country, dont be alarmed. It *is* confusing. Who are the protesters? What and who are they protesting? And what do they want? It turns out that there are two different but overlapping movements taking to the streets. Both are angry at the richest 1 percent of Americans, who have made out like bandits while most of the rest of us have seen our
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wealth, income and standard of living decline. Both blame Wall Street for causing an economic crisis that has led to massive layoffs, foreclosures and cuts in government services. And both oppose tax breaks for the superrich and bailouts for banks. The one getting the most media attention this fall calls itself Occupy Wall Street, although it has recently spread from New Yorks financial center to Boston, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Chicago and other cities [see Occupy America, above]. Rose Gudiel is part of the other wing of the protest movement. Gudiel, who juggles two jobs and lives with her parents and brother in a working-class suburb of Los Angeles, has become the public face of a burgeoning crusade to defend homeowners from unfair evictions. She, her family, neighbors and other supporters have pledged to risk arrest when the LA County sheriff tries to evict them from her home now that Fannie Mae and OneWest Bank have issued a foreclosure notice. Gudiel belongs to the Alliance of Californians for Community Empowerment and the Service Employees International Union, organizations that have led the fight for bank reform in California. Their protests are rooted in the specific grievances of their mostly low-income and working-class members, who have been laid off, ripped off and evicted by banks engaged in predatory lending. The ACCE, SEIU and other California unions and community groups have been mobilizing homeowners since the beginning of the economic crisis. Theyve organized meetings with bank officials to try to get them to modify loans rather than foreclose on homeowners. When negotiations break down, the activists have resorted to protests and civil disobedience to draw attention to abusive practices and the banks failure to deal with homeowners in good faith. The goal is not simply to help a handful of homeowners stay in their houses but to create a mounting sense of urgency, so that banks change their practices and politicians change government policy. This year SEIU persuaded the San Francisco Board of Supervisors to renegotiate its interest rate swap with JPMorgan Chase, allowing the city to repay its loans at the current lower rates, thus saving San Francisco $40 million. Similar campaigns are under way in other cities. The coalition has pushed for local laws that will fine banks up to $1,000 a day if they dont maintain empty foreclosed homes to avoid neighborhood blight. Earlier this year the coalition urged the California legislature to make banks pay a $10,000$20,000 fee per foreclosure to help cities address the damage they cause. According to conservative estimates, foreclosures have reduced property values in California by $650 billion, resulting in a loss of up to $4 billion in property taxes. The activist groups are now putting the heat on banks to reduce mortgage principal for struggling homeowners. Many economists say this is an effective way to revitalize the housing sector and bring about a recovery. Californians with underwater mortgages overpay banks $20 billion a yearmoney that could instead be pumped into the states economy. The
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activists also want the legislature to establish a mandatory foreclosure mediation program to ensure that homeowners receive due process and a fair chance at negotiating loan modifications. Although activists in Californiaan epicenter of the foreclosure epidemichave taken the lead, they are part of a national coalition of unions, community groups and faith-based organizations called the New Bottom Line, which has been waging war on Wall Street for several years. It has organized rallies and marches in New York, Kansas City, San Francisco, Boston, Charlotte and other cities with major bank headquarters. It has been a partial counterweight to the lobbying muscle used by the US Chamber of Commerce and the financial industry to thwart President Obamas financial reform plan. But the coalition has not built the momentum needed to strengthen Obamas ineffective foreclosure-prevention program, and its sporadic protests havent sparked a broader movement. Until this fall, that is. Now the excitement and energy from Occupy Wall Street, combined with the organizing savvy of the union/community coalition, may be coalescing into something much bigger. Activists from both networks have been meeting to discuss strategy, tactics, targets and message. In October the New Bottom Line mounted a series of protests in Los Angelesincluding civil disobedience at a major bank and a rally at the home of the CEO of a large lenderto keep the pressure on the banking industry to help working-class families like the Gudiels avoid eviction. Over the coming weeks organizers in Minneapolis, Chicago, New York and other cities will aim protests at specific banks, CEOs and politicians who have collected big campaign contributions from the financial sector and voted against tough banking regulations. If the Occupy Wall Street activists join forces with the unions and community groups, they could catalyze a massive nationwide movement to resist foreclosures and block evictions. They could also put pressure on local and state lawmakers to pass tougher legislation. And they could inject the foreclosure crisisand the banking industrys culpability for the recessioninto the presidential and Congressional elections. The different strategies used by Occupy Wall Street and the union/community/faith coalition reflect a longstanding dilemma for American dissentershow to link visionary calls for radical change with specific demands for immediate reform? They also reflect the difference between what organizers call mobilizing and movement building. The first involves large protests that may generate media attention but dont necessarily build the organizations needed to follow up, train leaders and negotiate with policy-makers. The second involves the slow, difficult work of building unions, community organizations and other groups that can dig in for the long haul and keep people engaged when the excitement dies down. *** Ever since the Boston Tea Party, it has been the spirited, explosive and messy protests and civil disobediencesit-down strikes at auto factories and sit-ins at segregated lunch counters, for examplethat have transformed
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day-to-day grievances into movements that make history. These actions dramatize serious problems and encourage people to become part of a crusade for social justice. The sense of crisis generated by such protests often forces political and business leadersmostly concerned about order and stabilityto respond by negotiating reforms. Throughout American history, the soul of successful reform movements has been people like Rose Gudiel. She has never been politically involved before, but her recent experience as a victim of bank abuse changed her views. My parents instilled in me the idea that if you work hard and study, you could live your American dream, she says. I was the first person in my family to graduate from college, and I worked hard so that I can own a home. And now these banks are taking my dream away. And, she insists, Im not leaving. Im willing to go to jail. In September, Gudiel, her neighbors, co-workers and supporters from the ACCE and SEIU began a round-the-clock vigil at her house to prevent her eviction, as Gudiel and her supporters fight to rescind her foreclosure and renegotiate her loan. If the Occupy Wall Street protesters and their counterparts around the country link arms with people like Rose Gudiel, they could win stirring victories and inspire a broader movement that challenges the wealth and power of a tiny elite. That could do more than restore peoples homes to them and rebuild the economy. It could restore our democracy, too. -----------------------------*Source URL:* [Link]

_____________________________________ Peter Dreier Dr. E.P. Clapp Distinguished Professor of Politics Chair, Urban & Environmental Policy Department Occidental College 1600 Campus Road Los Angeles, CA 90041 Phone: (323) 259-2913 FAX: (323) 259-2734 Website: [Link]

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*"The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crises maintain their neutrality" - Dante*

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september17@[Link] on behalf of rob hollander september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Occupy Wall Street Poster Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] PM

While I was at Liberty Plaza today I looked for any posters related to racism. I found a "Ron Paul in 2012" election poster (campaigning!), a "no fracking" poster, "Save the environment" posters, peace and love posters and all sorts of economic, bank and democracy posters, but nothing addressing racism or race impact. It doesn't seem to be part of the message, as yet. Maybe people there feel it would be divisive and prefer to focus on "same boat" messages. I honestly don't know. Also, I didn't look at each and every poster, so maybe they are there but I missed them all. Anyway, my suggested "solution" still stands: raise the issues that will resonate with people of color. I repeat it here since perhaps it was missed the first time :-) Banks The foreclosure crisis was a disaster for the US, but it is worse for black people in America: [Link] The recession, jobs and health care Recession disproportionately impacts people of color in jobs and health care [Link]/minorityhealth/upload/[Link] Public sector austerity Tuition is outrageous everywhere, but tuition hikes in public higher education, the only low-cost option, impacts people of color disproportionately: 74 percent of CUNY students are people of color. Public transit hikes disproportionately impact people of color: [Link] The economy Black unemployment is not just twice the rate of whites, but it rose in August, while white unemployment fell: [Link] Development and real estate Gentrification continues to displace people of color throughout Manhattan and now in Brooklyn too. On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@[Link]> wrote: Liberty Sq. is what we make of it. If someone wants to use this occupation as a way to organize people for a particular cause...( And ultimately address the GREATER cause of corruption and power and effective ways to stop it, everyone should provide input and support! If they find they can't do it at liberty sq. They are free (and encouraged) to start or join another occupation elsewhere. As a sidenote, I know this isn't subject of original thread, but as far as issue of our security and well-being, if our "collection of individuals" believes eventually a particular individual/individuals are not adhering to guiding principles, if we don't have it already, we need a system of quickly bringing it to the forefront and we have right to expel them from occupation (via a committee or our established voting system). And we support action with police cooperation and our own security/policing team. This will minimize people trying to stall/impede/kill this MOVEMENT. But getting back to issue of why are other causes not represented, if we feel that's the case, it's OUR job to get more people involved by doing OUR OWN outreach and recruitment with other already existing groups. Or if a group doesn't exist, start your own! Schedule teach-in's etc. Start ORGANIZING and getting everyone to occupy
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something! It's ALL our job to make this happen, not just people of color committee, etc. On 10/9/11, shaista husain <shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: > Thanks Rob, > Your claims on whiteness are highly problematic. The whiteness you take for > granted, 80% occupiers is, or 90% is dead wrong. Actually a large part of > those categorized incorrectly labelled white are spanish, arabs, > international, diverse internationals. I don't want to discuss census and > poll taking to disprove you, in fact in the US all arabs fall under white > category. Actually, i feel really troubled that efforts at proper > respresentation is so cynically described as "airbrushing" --its called > outreach--actively sspeaking to people of color in different languages and > also diversifying the movement in favor of plurality. BY insisting that > whites control this movement, you can hardly speak about class until you > address race. They are not separate spheres. > Anyway, you provide no solutions to bring more diversity, maybe ROB you > should come to the people of color meeting today, and help us form a way to > remedy this. > > > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 10:09 AM, rob hollander <lesrrd@[Link]> wrote: > >> Right now the encampment occupiers are at least 80% white. It reflects its >> source base: the GA's I attended in August were closer to 90% white and 0% >> black. >> >> It's not a tech issue. Unions and CUNY students, for example, bring >> diversity to their protests because their source base is diverse. Their >> program, issues and slogans speak directly to their own source base. >> >> OWS has not targeted racism and is not speaking specifically to people of >> color: its program, issues and slogans have targeted not race but class >> and >> political structure-- banks, economic injustice and the perversion of >> democracy in our politics. OWS hasn't even widely targeted immigration so >> far as I can see, judging from the homemade posters at Liberty Plaza. >> >> Here are a few issues OWS might be able to glom onto ->> >> *Banks * >> The foreclosure crisis was a disaster for the US, but it is *worse for >> black people in America*: >> [Link] >> >> *The recession, jobs and health care* >> Recession *disproportionately impacts people of color in jobs and health >> care* >> [Link]/minorityhealth/upload/[Link] >> >> *Public sector austerity* >> Tuition is outrageous everywhere, but tuition hikes in public higher >> education, the only low-cost option, impacts people of color >> disproportionately: 74 percent of CUNY students are people of color. >> >> Public transit hikes disproportionately impact people of color: >> >> [Link] >> * >> The economy* >> Black unemployment is not just twice the rate of whites, but it rose in >> August, while white unemployment fell:
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>> >> [Link] >> >> *Development and real estate* >> Gentrification continues to displace people of color throughout Manhattan >> and now in Brooklyn too. >> >> OWS might be able to handle race without divisiveness. I hope this >> movement >> can be all things to all peoples and all issues. That may be possible, or >> may not. Maybe featuring spokespersons of color will help. But you can't >> digitally airbrush every photograph and video to put color into the 80% >> white occupiers. OWS needs to bring more diversity in as positive a way as >> possible. In any case, I hope OWS will keep a dynamic of positivity and >> newness and openness. >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:06 PM, <jemcgloin@[Link]> wrote: >> >>> actually laughing out loud! >>> >>> >>> On 10/08/11, gail zawacki<witsendnj@[Link]> wrote: >>> How's this for diversity? >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Jon Good >>> <therealjongood@[Link]>wrote: >>> >>>> Might a call be put out for artists of color to get more diverse, >>>> multicultural representations out there? Or to all artists to get >>>> specifically non-white people representing this movement? I have the >>>> visual >>>> art ability of a two-year-old, otherwise i'd practice what I preached >>>> myself. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:01 AM, rob hollander <lesrrd@[Link]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> +1 >>>>> Even the ballerina served well, too -- it was praised in one of the >>>>> first serious articles on OWS when most media were calling OWS >>>>> muddle-headed >>>>> and naive. The image and text implied something new and smart. So, yes, >>>>> many, many, many more... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 7:40 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@[Link]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hopefully there will be many many many many many many images and >>>>>> posters that circulate-- that is the point, right? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:58 AM, shaista husain < >>>>>> shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes you are right 100% no stereotypes--so why do we always need one >>>>>>> woman or one individual for a poster? we are leaderless organization >>>>>>> so we >>>>>>> claim why are we establishing icons that do not reflect this claim? >>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 7:07 PM, <jemcgloin@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Becareful with native Amercan or other ethnic/racial cliches. Just >>>>>>>> add an obvious mix of people so that it is obcious that all are >>>>>>>> invited. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 10/07/11, shaista husain<shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>> Yes, she did look indigenous, but perhaps we can add another >>>>>>>> signifier to make sure there is no confusion--perhaps a feather (i >>>>>>>> am just >>>>>>>> giving an example) or some other blatant signifier will illustrate >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> further. We are multicultural. Please in all we do and say, let's >>>>>>>> please >>>>>>>> please be inclusive--love each other-- i did make a very strong >>>>>>>> polemic with >>>>>>>> some people of color who were complaining about young white >>>>>>>> protesters who >>>>>>>> wanted to fight the police, and these people of color were >>>>>>>> complaining that >>>>>>>> immigrants and folks can't always do that and its dangerous to put >>>>>>>> people of >>>>>>>> color in that kind of situation. But i told them, when the police >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> attacking us, as they are wont to do, its those same courageous >>>>>>>> white youth >>>>>>>> who will put their bodies in between you and the police. So shut the >>>>>>>> fuck >>>>>>>> up. >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Shaista >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Thadeaus <thadeaus@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I totally agree. and think we all need to be very aware of what >>>>>>>>> kind >>>>>>>>> of face(s) we put forward to represent this movement and attract >>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>> supporters. I noticed an otherwise wonderful tri-paneled hand out >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> welcomed people to the occupied space had a number of illustrations >>>>>>>>> but only >>>>>>>>> of yuppie looking seemingly white people. I think this was meant as >>>>>>>>> satire >>>>>>>>> of vacation brochures, but even so companies that seek diverse >>>>>>>>> customers >>>>>>>>> have been incorporating people of color into their promo materials >>>>>>>>> for years >>>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As for the image in the poster in question: I am pretty sure that >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> was originally a panel in Eric Drooker <[Link] >>>>>>>>> wordless graphic novel Blood >>>>>>>>> Song<[Link] >>>>>>>>> It's a amazing and beautiful book. The main character of the book >>>>>>>>> and who is >>>>>>>>> pictured in the poster is I think of South-East Asian origin. The >>>>>>>>> art was >>>>>>>>> not created to represent our protest. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> heart
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>>>>>>>>> Thadeaus >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:49 PM, shaista husain < >>>>>>>>> shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well I prefer to be behind the camera, but i can help in >>>>>>>>>> addressing >>>>>>>>>> this issue.. thank you >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Matthew Presto < >>>>>>>>>> [Link]@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Agreed with Shaista. Let's move as far away from the ballerina >>>>>>>>>>> poster that a lot of us had issues with way back when. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:44 PM, shaista husain < >>>>>>>>>>> shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> A huge backlash is coming against this movement by those >>>>>>>>>>>> powerful >>>>>>>>>>>> people of color minorities who have been protesting their whole >>>>>>>>>>>> lives, that >>>>>>>>>>>> this movement is white and middle class. It is important to us >>>>>>>>>>>> that is is >>>>>>>>>>>> not ALWAYS represented that way, taking issues of representation >>>>>>>>>>>> in our >>>>>>>>>>>> "official" campaigns, a little sensitivity to diversity is what >>>>>>>>>>>> demarcates >>>>>>>>>>>> us clearly from RIGHT WING movement that is also against Wall >>>>>>>>>>>> St.--we are >>>>>>>>>>>> multicultural ----that has to be emphasized always, as you know >>>>>>>>>>>> the IDF >>>>>>>>>>>> across britain, the islamophobes all the racist haters are also >>>>>>>>>>>> up in arms >>>>>>>>>>>> against wall street. What differentiates us is our >>>>>>>>>>>> MULTICULTURALISM. >>>>>>>>>>>> Breivnik by killing students in Norway has ushered in the >>>>>>>>>>>> neo-fascist hatred >>>>>>>>>>>> for white people who stand in arms with people of color and >>>>>>>>>>>> immigrants. All >>>>>>>>>>>> of you white comrades in this movement stand together with >>>>>>>>>>>> historically >>>>>>>>>>>> oppressed people as brothers and sisters. Please take this >>>>>>>>>>>> seriously in love >>>>>>>>>>>> and comradeship, we need to protect each other. Our language >>>>>>>>>>>> needs to >>>>>>>>>>>> reflect this on every level. We need to be politically savvy >>>>>>>>>>>> inclusive and >>>>>>>>>>>> sophisticated. >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>>>>> Shaista >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:37 PM, shaista husain < >>>>>>>>>>>> shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Some more people of color "speaking for this movement" in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> media team--you know who go out to mainstream media, also would >>>>>>>>>>>>> not hurt us. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, shaista husain < >>>>>>>>>>>>> shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you put some dreadlocks on her, does every female the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> represents this movement have to be visibly white? Perhaps >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just one poster >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with illustrating some sensitivity to people of color who make >>>>>>>>>>>>>> up the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority of THIS CITY???? This movement is not all white >>>>>>>>>>>>>> people and if there >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is NO leadership, then it becomes important to be sensitive >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about images of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> individuals who come to signify the movement as a whole. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PERHAPS and now im >>>>>>>>>>>>>> begging you comrades, its so real it fucking hurts, can we get >>>>>>>>>>>>>> some people >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of color visibility.. ATLEAST ONE poster that reflects this? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bet you it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be so celebrated!!! Perhaps an indigenous woman? PLEASE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLEASE PLEASE> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks.. Thanks!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, gail zawacki < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> witsendnj@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's fantastic and uplifting! I ended a morbid blogpost with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, here... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Link] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:51 PM, grimwomyn < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grimwomyn@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this would be an awesome sticker as well! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Sarah < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss.quintessential01@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Eric Drooker <mail@[Link]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:40 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Occupy Wall Street . . . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Eric Drooker <hi@[Link]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Friends & Fellow Occupiers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To help our powerful, new Occupy Movement spread to other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cites, I've created a powerful new poster (attached). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please help circulate this poster image (e-mail, facebook, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twitter, print, etc.), and help build momentum in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> streets! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now is our time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Eric
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. And please pass along this URL, where people can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hi-res versions of the new posters in many languages: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Link] <[Link] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ->>>>> Rob Hollander >>>>> Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development >>>>> [Link] >>>>> 622 E 11, #10 >>>>> NYC, 10009 >>>>> 212-228-6152 <[Link] >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> ->> Rob Hollander >> Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development >> [Link] >> 622 E 11, #10 >> NYC, 10009 >> 212-228-6152 >> >> >

-Rob Hollander Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development [Link] 622 E 11, #10 NYC, 10009 212-228-6152

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Occupy Wall Street Poster Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] PM

Liberty Sq. is what we make of it. If someone wants to use this occupation as a way to organize people for a particular cause...( And ultimately address the GREATER cause of corruption and power and effective ways to stop it, everyone should provide input and support! If they find they can't do it at liberty sq. They are free (and encouraged) to start or join another occupation elsewhere. As a sidenote, I know this isn't subject of original thread, but as far as issue of our security and well-being, if our "collection of individuals" believes eventually a particular individual/individuals are not adhering to guiding principles, if we don't have it already, we need a system of quickly bringing it to the forefront and we have right to expel them from occupation (via a committee or our established voting system). And we support action with police cooperation and our own security/policing team. This will minimize people trying to stall/impede/kill this MOVEMENT. But getting back to issue of why are other causes not represented, if we feel that's the case, it's OUR job to get more people involved by doing OUR OWN outreach and recruitment with other already existing groups. Or if a group doesn't exist, start your own! Schedule teach-in's etc. Start ORGANIZING and getting everyone to occupy something! It's ALL our job to make this happen, not just people of color committee, etc. On 10/9/11, shaista husain <shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: > Thanks Rob, > Your claims on whiteness are highly problematic. The whiteness you take for > granted, 80% occupiers is, or 90% is dead wrong. Actually a large part of > those categorized incorrectly labelled white are spanish, arabs, > international, diverse internationals. I don't want to discuss census and > poll taking to disprove you, in fact in the US all arabs fall under white > category. Actually, i feel really troubled that efforts at proper > respresentation is so cynically described as "airbrushing" --its called > outreach--actively sspeaking to people of color in different languages and > also diversifying the movement in favor of plurality. BY insisting that > whites control this movement, you can hardly speak about class until you > address race. They are not separate spheres. > Anyway, you provide no solutions to bring more diversity, maybe ROB you > should come to the people of color meeting today, and help us form a way to > remedy this. > > > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 10:09 AM, rob hollander <lesrrd@[Link]> wrote: > >> Right now the encampment occupiers are at least 80% white. It reflects its >> source base: the GA's I attended in August were closer to 90% white and 0% >> black. >> >> It's not a tech issue. Unions and CUNY students, for example, bring >> diversity to their protests because their source base is diverse. Their

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>> program, issues and slogans speak directly to their own source base. >> >> OWS has not targeted racism and is not speaking specifically to people of >> color: its program, issues and slogans have targeted not race but class >> and >> political structure-- banks, economic injustice and the perversion of >> democracy in our politics. OWS hasn't even widely targeted immigration so >> far as I can see, judging from the homemade posters at Liberty Plaza. >> >> Here are a few issues OWS might be able to glom onto ->> >> *Banks * >> The foreclosure crisis was a disaster for the US, but it is *worse for >> black people in America*: >> [Link] >> >> *The recession, jobs and health care* >> Recession *disproportionately impacts people of color in jobs and health >> care* >> [Link]/minorityhealth/upload/[Link] >> >> *Public sector austerity* >> Tuition is outrageous everywhere, but tuition hikes in public higher >> education, the only low-cost option, impacts people of color >> disproportionately: 74 percent of CUNY students are people of color. >> >> Public transit hikes disproportionately impact people of color: >> >> [Link] >> * >> The economy* >> Black unemployment is not just twice the rate of whites, but it rose in >> August, while white unemployment fell: >> >> [Link] >> >> *Development and real estate* >> Gentrification continues to displace people of color throughout Manhattan >> and now in Brooklyn too. >> >> OWS might be able to handle race without divisiveness. I hope this >> movement >> can be all things to all peoples and all issues. That may be possible, or >> may not. Maybe featuring spokespersons of color will help. But you can't >> digitally airbrush every photograph and video to put color into the 80% >> white occupiers. OWS needs to bring more diversity in as positive a way as >> possible. In any case, I hope OWS will keep a dynamic of positivity and >> newness and openness. >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:06 PM, <jemcgloin@[Link]> wrote: >> >>> actually laughing out loud! >>> >>> >>> On 10/08/11, gail zawacki<witsendnj@[Link]> wrote:

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>>> How's this for diversity? >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Jon Good >>> <therealjongood@[Link]>wrote: >>> >>>> Might a call be put out for artists of color to get more diverse, >>>> multicultural representations out there? Or to all artists to get >>>> specifically non-white people representing this movement? I have the >>>> visual >>>> art ability of a two-year-old, otherwise i'd practice what I preached >>>> myself. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:01 AM, rob hollander <lesrrd@[Link]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> +1 >>>>> Even the ballerina served well, too -- it was praised in one of the >>>>> first serious articles on OWS when most media were calling OWS >>>>> muddle-headed >>>>> and naive. The image and text implied something new and smart. So, yes, >>>>> many, many, many more... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 7:40 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@[Link]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hopefully there will be many many many many many many images and >>>>>> posters that circulate-- that is the point, right? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:58 AM, shaista husain < >>>>>> shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes you are right 100% no stereotypes--so why do we always need one >>>>>>> woman or one individual for a poster? we are leaderless organization >>>>>>> so we >>>>>>> claim why are we establishing icons that do not reflect this claim? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 7:07 PM, <jemcgloin@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Becareful with native Amercan or other ethnic/racial cliches. Just >>>>>>>> add an obvious mix of people so that it is obcious that all are >>>>>>>> invited. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 10/07/11, shaista husain<shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>> Yes, she did look indigenous, but perhaps we can add another >>>>>>>> signifier to make sure there is no confusion--perhaps a feather (i >>>>>>>> am just >>>>>>>> giving an example) or some other blatant signifier will illustrate >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> further. We are multicultural. Please in all we do and say, let's >>>>>>>> please >>>>>>>> please be inclusive--love each other-- i did make a very strong >>>>>>>> polemic with >>>>>>>> some people of color who were complaining about young white >>>>>>>> protesters who >>>>>>>> wanted to fight the police, and these people of color were

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>>>>>>>> complaining that >>>>>>>> immigrants and folks can't always do that and its dangerous to put >>>>>>>> people of >>>>>>>> color in that kind of situation. But i told them, when the police >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> attacking us, as they are wont to do, its those same courageous >>>>>>>> white youth >>>>>>>> who will put their bodies in between you and the police. So shut the >>>>>>>> fuck >>>>>>>> up. >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Shaista >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Thadeaus <thadeaus@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I totally agree. and think we all need to be very aware of what >>>>>>>>> kind >>>>>>>>> of face(s) we put forward to represent this movement and attract >>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>> supporters. I noticed an otherwise wonderful tri-paneled hand out >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> welcomed people to the occupied space had a number of illustrations >>>>>>>>> but only >>>>>>>>> of yuppie looking seemingly white people. I think this was meant as >>>>>>>>> satire >>>>>>>>> of vacation brochures, but even so companies that seek diverse >>>>>>>>> customers >>>>>>>>> have been incorporating people of color into their promo materials >>>>>>>>> for years >>>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As for the image in the poster in question: I am pretty sure that >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> was originally a panel in Eric Drooker <[Link] >>>>>>>>> wordless graphic novel Blood >>>>>>>>> Song<[Link] >>>>>>>>> It's a amazing and beautiful book. The main character of the book >>>>>>>>> and who is >>>>>>>>> pictured in the poster is I think of South-East Asian origin. The >>>>>>>>> art was >>>>>>>>> not created to represent our protest. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> heart >>>>>>>>> Thadeaus >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:49 PM, shaista husain < >>>>>>>>> shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well I prefer to be behind the camera, but i can help in >>>>>>>>>> addressing >>>>>>>>>> this issue.. thank you >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Matthew Presto < >>>>>>>>>> [Link]@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Agreed with Shaista. Let's move as far away from the ballerina >>>>>>>>>>> poster that a lot of us had issues with way back when. >>>>>>>>>>>

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>>>>>>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:44 PM, shaista husain < >>>>>>>>>>> shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> A huge backlash is coming against this movement by those >>>>>>>>>>>> powerful >>>>>>>>>>>> people of color minorities who have been protesting their whole >>>>>>>>>>>> lives, that >>>>>>>>>>>> this movement is white and middle class. It is important to us >>>>>>>>>>>> that is is >>>>>>>>>>>> not ALWAYS represented that way, taking issues of representation >>>>>>>>>>>> in our >>>>>>>>>>>> "official" campaigns, a little sensitivity to diversity is what >>>>>>>>>>>> demarcates >>>>>>>>>>>> us clearly from RIGHT WING movement that is also against Wall >>>>>>>>>>>> St.--we are >>>>>>>>>>>> multicultural ----that has to be emphasized always, as you know >>>>>>>>>>>> the IDF >>>>>>>>>>>> across britain, the islamophobes all the racist haters are also >>>>>>>>>>>> up in arms >>>>>>>>>>>> against wall street. What differentiates us is our >>>>>>>>>>>> MULTICULTURALISM. >>>>>>>>>>>> Breivnik by killing students in Norway has ushered in the >>>>>>>>>>>> neo-fascist hatred >>>>>>>>>>>> for white people who stand in arms with people of color and >>>>>>>>>>>> immigrants. All >>>>>>>>>>>> of you white comrades in this movement stand together with >>>>>>>>>>>> historically >>>>>>>>>>>> oppressed people as brothers and sisters. Please take this >>>>>>>>>>>> seriously in love >>>>>>>>>>>> and comradeship, we need to protect each other. Our language >>>>>>>>>>>> needs to >>>>>>>>>>>> reflect this on every level. We need to be politically savvy >>>>>>>>>>>> inclusive and >>>>>>>>>>>> sophisticated. >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>>>>> Shaista >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:37 PM, shaista husain < >>>>>>>>>>>> shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Some more people of color "speaking for this movement" in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> media team--you know who go out to mainstream media, also would >>>>>>>>>>>>> not hurt us. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, shaista husain < >>>>>>>>>>>>> shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you put some dreadlocks on her, does every female the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> represents this movement have to be visibly white? Perhaps >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just one poster >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with illustrating some sensitivity to people of color who make >>>>>>>>>>>>>> up the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority of THIS CITY???? This movement is not all white >>>>>>>>>>>>>> people and if there >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is NO leadership, then it becomes important to be sensitive

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about images of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> individuals who come to signify the movement as a whole. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PERHAPS and now im >>>>>>>>>>>>>> begging you comrades, its so real it fucking hurts, can we get >>>>>>>>>>>>>> some people >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of color visibility.. ATLEAST ONE poster that reflects this? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bet you it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be so celebrated!!! Perhaps an indigenous woman? PLEASE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLEASE PLEASE> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks.. Thanks!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, gail zawacki < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> witsendnj@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's fantastic and uplifting! I ended a morbid blogpost with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, here... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Link] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:51 PM, grimwomyn < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grimwomyn@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this would be an awesome sticker as well! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Sarah < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss.quintessential01@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Eric Drooker <mail@[Link]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:40 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Occupy Wall Street . . . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Eric Drooker <hi@[Link]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Friends & Fellow Occupiers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To help our powerful, new Occupy Movement spread to other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cites, I've created a powerful new poster (attached). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please help circulate this poster image (e-mail, facebook, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twitter, print, etc.), and help build momentum in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> streets! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now is our time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Eric >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. And please pass along this URL, where people can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hi-res versions of the new posters in many languages: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Link] <[Link] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ->>>>> Rob Hollander >>>>> Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development >>>>> [Link] >>>>> 622 E 11, #10 >>>>> NYC, 10009 >>>>> 212-228-6152 <[Link] >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> ->> Rob Hollander >> Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development >> [Link] >> 622 E 11, #10 >> NYC, 10009 >> 212-228-6152 >> >> >

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september17@[Link] on behalf of rob hollander september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Occupy Wall Street Poster Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] PM

Thanks, Jackie. Just did, adding: There are groups up in East Harlem (Movement for Justice in El Barrio), Central Harlem (Harlem Tenants Council) and Chinatown (CSWA) and the Lower East Side (NMASS) who are angry about gentrification and see it as part of the global neo-liberalism that is destabilizing local neighborhoods. These are resonant issues for everyone, but also resonate specifically with communities of color in NYC. Nellie Bailey (Harlem Tenants Council) has a radio program. It might be useful to get on the anti-gentrification wagon.

On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@[Link]> wrote: Rob,

Why dont you send this to the People of Color Working Group? Unified Communities [Link]@[Link] It would give them support.

From: september17@[Link] [[Link] On Behalf Of rob hollander Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 6:26 PM To: september17@[Link] Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Occupy Wall Street Poster

While I was at Liberty Plaza today I looked for any posters related to racism. I found a "Ron Paul in 2012" election poster (campaigning!), a "no fracking" poster, "Save the environment" posters, peace and love posters and all sorts of economic, bank and democracy posters, but nothing addressing racism or race impact. It doesn't seem to be part of the message, as yet. Maybe people there feel it would be divisive and prefer to focus on "same boat" messages. I honestly don't know. Also, I didn't look at each and every poster, so maybe they are there but I missed them all. Anyway, my suggested "solution" still stands: raise the issues that will resonate with people of color. I repeat it here since perhaps it was missed the first time :-) Banks The foreclosure crisis was a disaster for the US, but it is worse for black people in America: [Link] The recession, jobs and health care Recession disproportionately impacts people of color in jobs and health care [Link]/minorityhealth/upload/[Link] Public sector austerity Tuition is outrageous everywhere, but tuition hikes in public higher education, the only low-cost
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option, impacts people of color disproportionately: 74 percent of CUNY students are people of color. Public transit hikes disproportionately impact people of color: [Link] The economy Black unemployment is not just twice the rate of whites, but it rose in August, while white unemployment fell: [Link] Development and real estate Gentrification continues to displace people of color throughout Manhattan and now in Brooklyn too. On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@[Link]> wrote: Liberty Sq. is what we make of it. If someone wants to use this occupation as a way to organize people for a particular cause...( And ultimately address the GREATER cause of corruption and power and effective ways to stop it, everyone should provide input and support! If they find they can't do it at liberty sq. They are free (and encouraged) to start or join another occupation elsewhere. As a sidenote, I know this isn't subject of original thread, but as far as issue of our security and well-being, if our "collection of individuals" believes eventually a particular individual/individuals are not adhering to guiding principles, if we don't have it already, we need a system of quickly bringing it to the forefront and we have right to expel them from occupation (via a committee or our established voting system). And we support action with police cooperation and our own security/policing team. This will minimize people trying to stall/impede/kill this MOVEMENT. But getting back to issue of why are other causes not represented, if we feel that's the case, it's OUR job to get more people involved by doing OUR OWN outreach and recruitment with other already existing groups. Or if a group doesn't exist, start your own! Schedule teach-in's etc. Start ORGANIZING and getting everyone to occupy something! It's ALL our job to make this happen, not just people of color committee, etc. On 10/9/11, shaista husain <shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: > Thanks Rob, > Your claims on whiteness are highly problematic. The whiteness you take for > granted, 80% occupiers is, or 90% is dead wrong. Actually a large part of > those categorized incorrectly labelled white are spanish, arabs, > international, diverse internationals. I don't want to discuss census and > poll taking to disprove you, in fact in the US all arabs fall under white > category. Actually, i feel really troubled that efforts at proper > respresentation is so cynically described as "airbrushing" --its called
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> outreach--actively sspeaking to people of color in different languages and > also diversifying the movement in favor of plurality. BY insisting that > whites control this movement, you can hardly speak about class until you > address race. They are not separate spheres. > Anyway, you provide no solutions to bring more diversity, maybe ROB you > should come to the people of color meeting today, and help us form a way to > remedy this. > > > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 10:09 AM, rob hollander <lesrrd@[Link]> wrote: > >> Right now the encampment occupiers are at least 80% white. It reflects its >> source base: the GA's I attended in August were closer to 90% white and 0% >> black. >> >> It's not a tech issue. Unions and CUNY students, for example, bring >> diversity to their protests because their source base is diverse. Their >> program, issues and slogans speak directly to their own source base. >> >> OWS has not targeted racism and is not speaking specifically to people of >> color: its program, issues and slogans have targeted not race but class >> and >> political structure-- banks, economic injustice and the perversion of >> democracy in our politics. OWS hasn't even widely targeted immigration so >> far as I can see, judging from the homemade posters at Liberty Plaza. >> >> Here are a few issues OWS might be able to glom onto ->> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Banks * The foreclosure crisis was a disaster for the US, but it is *worse for black people in America*: [Link] *The recession, jobs and health care* Recession *disproportionately impacts people of color in jobs and health care* [Link]/minorityhealth/upload/[Link] *Public sector austerity*

>> Tuition is outrageous everywhere, but tuition hikes in public higher >> education, the only low-cost option, impacts people of color >> disproportionately: 74 percent of CUNY students are people of color. >> >> Public transit hikes disproportionately impact people of color: >> >> [Link] >> * >> The economy* >> Black unemployment is not just twice the rate of whites, but it rose in >> August, while white unemployment fell:
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>> >> [Link] >> >> *Development and real estate* >> Gentrification continues to displace people of color throughout Manhattan >> and now in Brooklyn too. >> >> OWS might be able to handle race without divisiveness. I hope this >> movement >> can be all things to all peoples and all issues. That may be possible, or >> may not. Maybe featuring spokespersons of color will help. But you can't >> digitally airbrush every photograph and video to put color into the 80% >> white occupiers. OWS needs to bring more diversity in as positive a way as >> possible. In any case, I hope OWS will keep a dynamic of positivity and >> newness and openness. >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:06 PM, <jemcgloin@[Link]> wrote: >> >>> actually laughing out loud! >>> >>> >>> On 10/08/11, gail zawacki<witsendnj@[Link]> wrote: >>> How's this for diversity? >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Jon Good >>> <therealjongood@[Link]>wrote: >>> >>>> Might a call be put out for artists of color to get more diverse, >>>> multicultural representations out there? Or to all artists to get >>>> specifically non-white people representing this movement? I have the >>>> visual >>>> art ability of a two-year-old, otherwise i'd practice what I preached >>>> myself. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:01 AM, rob hollander <lesrrd@[Link]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> +1 >>>>> Even the ballerina served well, too -- it was praised in one of the >>>>> first serious articles on OWS when most media were calling OWS >>>>> muddle-headed >>>>> and naive. The image and text implied something new and smart. So, yes, >>>>> many, many, many more... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 7:40 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>

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>>>>>> Hopefully there will be many many many many many many images and >>>>>> posters that circulate-- that is the point, right? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:58 AM, shaista husain < >>>>>> shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes you are right 100% no stereotypes--so why do we always need one >>>>>>> woman or one individual for a poster? we are leaderless organization >>>>>>> so we >>>>>>> claim why are we establishing icons that do not reflect this claim? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 7:07 PM, <jemcgloin@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Becareful with native Amercan or other ethnic/racial cliches. Just >>>>>>>> add an obvious mix of people so that it is obcious that all are >>>>>>>> invited. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 10/07/11, shaista husain<shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>> Yes, she did look indigenous, but perhaps we can add another >>>>>>>> signifier to make sure there is no confusion--perhaps a feather (i >>>>>>>> am just >>>>>>>> giving an example) or some other blatant signifier will illustrate >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> further. We are multicultural. Please in all we do and say, let's >>>>>>>> please >>>>>>>> please be inclusive--love each other-- i did make a very strong >>>>>>>> polemic with >>>>>>>> some people of color who were complaining about young white >>>>>>>> protesters who >>>>>>>> wanted to fight the police, and these people of color were >>>>>>>> complaining that >>>>>>>> immigrants and folks can't always do that and its dangerous to put >>>>>>>> people of >>>>>>>> color in that kind of situation. But i told them, when the police >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> attacking us, as they are wont to do, its those same courageous >>>>>>>> white youth >>>>>>>> who will put their bodies in between you and the police. So shut the >>>>>>>> fuck >>>>>>>> up. >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Shaista >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Thadeaus <thadeaus@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I totally agree. and think we all need to be very aware of what >>>>>>>>> kind >>>>>>>>> of face(s) we put forward to represent this movement and attract >>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>> supporters. I noticed an otherwise wonderful tri-paneled hand out >>>>>>>>> that
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>>>>>>>>> welcomed people to the occupied space had a number of illustrations >>>>>>>>> but only >>>>>>>>> of yuppie looking seemingly white people. I think this was meant as >>>>>>>>> satire >>>>>>>>> of vacation brochures, but even so companies that seek diverse >>>>>>>>> customers >>>>>>>>> have been incorporating people of color into their promo materials >>>>>>>>> for years >>>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As for the image in the poster in question: I am pretty sure that >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> was originally a panel in Eric Drooker <[Link] >>>>>>>>> wordless graphic novel Blood >>>>>>>>> Song<[Link] >>>>>>>>> It's a amazing and beautiful book. The main character of the book >>>>>>>>> and who is >>>>>>>>> pictured in the poster is I think of South-East Asian origin. The >>>>>>>>> art was >>>>>>>>> not created to represent our protest. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> heart >>>>>>>>> Thadeaus >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:49 PM, shaista husain < >>>>>>>>> shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well I prefer to be behind the camera, but i can help in >>>>>>>>>> addressing >>>>>>>>>> this issue.. thank you >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Matthew Presto < >>>>>>>>>> [Link]@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Agreed with Shaista. Let's move as far away from the ballerina >>>>>>>>>>> poster that a lot of us had issues with way back when. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:44 PM, shaista husain < >>>>>>>>>>> shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> A huge backlash is coming against this movement by those >>>>>>>>>>>> powerful >>>>>>>>>>>> people of color minorities who have been protesting their whole >>>>>>>>>>>> lives, that >>>>>>>>>>>> this movement is white and middle class. It is important to us >>>>>>>>>>>> that is is >>>>>>>>>>>> not ALWAYS represented that way, taking issues of representation >>>>>>>>>>>> in our

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>>>>>>>>>>>> "official" campaigns, a little sensitivity to diversity is what >>>>>>>>>>>> demarcates >>>>>>>>>>>> us clearly from RIGHT WING movement that is also against Wall >>>>>>>>>>>> St.--we are >>>>>>>>>>>> multicultural ----that has to be emphasized always, as you know >>>>>>>>>>>> the IDF >>>>>>>>>>>> across britain, the islamophobes all the racist haters are also >>>>>>>>>>>> up in arms >>>>>>>>>>>> against wall street. What differentiates us is our >>>>>>>>>>>> MULTICULTURALISM. >>>>>>>>>>>> Breivnik by killing students in Norway has ushered in the >>>>>>>>>>>> neo-fascist hatred >>>>>>>>>>>> for white people who stand in arms with people of color and >>>>>>>>>>>> immigrants. All >>>>>>>>>>>> of you white comrades in this movement stand together with >>>>>>>>>>>> historically >>>>>>>>>>>> oppressed people as brothers and sisters. Please take this >>>>>>>>>>>> seriously in love >>>>>>>>>>>> and comradeship, we need to protect each other. Our language >>>>>>>>>>>> needs to >>>>>>>>>>>> reflect this on every level. We need to be politically savvy >>>>>>>>>>>> inclusive and >>>>>>>>>>>> sophisticated. >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>>>>> Shaista >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:37 PM, shaista husain < >>>>>>>>>>>> shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Some more people of color "speaking for this movement" in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> media team--you know who go out to mainstream media, also would >>>>>>>>>>>>> not hurt us. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, shaista husain < >>>>>>>>>>>>> shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you put some dreadlocks on her, does every female the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> represents this movement have to be visibly white? Perhaps >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just one poster >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with illustrating some sensitivity to people of color who make >>>>>>>>>>>>>> up the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority of THIS CITY???? This movement is not all white >>>>>>>>>>>>>> people and if there >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is NO leadership, then it becomes important to be sensitive >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about images of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> individuals who come to signify the movement as a whole. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PERHAPS and now im >>>>>>>>>>>>>> begging you comrades, its so real it fucking hurts, can we get >>>>>>>>>>>>>> some people >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of color visibility.. ATLEAST ONE poster that reflects this? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bet you it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be so celebrated!!! Perhaps an indigenous woman? PLEASE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLEASE PLEASE>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks.. Thanks!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, gail zawacki < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> witsendnj@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's fantastic and uplifting! I ended a morbid blogpost with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, here... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Link] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:51 PM, grimwomyn < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grimwomyn@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this would be an awesome sticker as well! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Sarah < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss.quintessential01@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Eric Drooker <mail@[Link]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:40 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Occupy Wall Street . . . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Eric Drooker <hi@[Link]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Friends & Fellow Occupiers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To help our powerful, new Occupy Movement spread to other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cites, I've created a powerful new poster (attached). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please help circulate this poster image (e-mail, facebook, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twitter, print, etc.), and help build momentum in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> streets! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now is our time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Eric >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. And please pass along this URL, where people can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hi-res versions of the new posters in many languages: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Link] <[Link] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ->>>>> Rob Hollander >>>>> Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development >>>>> [Link] >>>>> 622 E 11, #10 >>>>> NYC, 10009 >>>>> 212-228-6152 <[Link] >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> ->> Rob Hollander >> Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development >> [Link] >> 622 E 11, #10 >> NYC, 10009 >> 212-228-6152 >> >> >

-Rob Hollander Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development [Link] 622 E 11, #10 NYC, 10009 212-228-6152

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Rob Hollander Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development [Link] 622 E 11, #10 NYC, 10009 212-228-6152

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@[Link] RE: [september17discuss] Fwd: Occupy Wall Street Poster Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] PM

Rob, Why dont you send this to the People of Color Working Group? Unified Communities [Link]@[Link] It would give them support.
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While I was at Liberty Plaza today I looked for any posters related to racism. I found a "Ron Paul in 2012" election poster (campaigning!), a "no fracking" poster, "Save the environment" posters, peace and love posters and all sorts of economic, bank and democracy posters, but nothing addressing racism or race impact. It doesn't seem to be part of the message, as yet. Maybe people there feel it would be divisive and prefer to focus on "same boat" messages. I honestly don't know. Also, I didn't look at each and every poster, so maybe they are there but I missed them all. Anyway, my suggested "solution" still stands: raise the issues that will resonate with people of color. I repeat it here since perhaps it was missed the first time :-) Banks The foreclosure crisis was a disaster for the US, but it is worse for black people in America: [Link] The recession, jobs and health care Recession disproportionately impacts people of color in jobs and health care [Link]/minorityhealth/upload/[Link] Public sector austerity Tuition is outrageous everywhere, but tuition hikes in public higher education, the only low-cost option, impacts people of color disproportionately: 74 percent of CUNY students are people of color. Public transit hikes disproportionately impact people of color: [Link] The economy Black unemployment is not just twice the rate of whites, but it rose in August, while white unemployment fell: [Link] Development and real estate Gentrification continues to displace people of color throughout Manhattan and now in Brooklyn too. On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@[Link]> wrote:
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Liberty Sq. is what we make of it. If someone wants to use this occupation as a way to organize people for a particular cause...( And ultimately address the GREATER cause of corruption and power and effective ways to stop it, everyone should provide input and support! If they find they can't do it at liberty sq. They are free (and encouraged) to start or join another occupation elsewhere. As a sidenote, I know this isn't subject of original thread, but as far as issue of our security and well-being, if our "collection of individuals" believes eventually a particular individual/individuals are not adhering to guiding principles, if we don't have it already, we need a system of quickly bringing it to the forefront and we have right to expel them from occupation (via a committee or our established voting system). And we support action with police cooperation and our own security/policing team. This will minimize people trying to stall/impede/kill this MOVEMENT. But getting back to issue of why are other causes not represented, if we feel that's the case, it's OUR job to get more people involved by doing OUR OWN outreach and recruitment with other already existing groups. Or if a group doesn't exist, start your own! Schedule teach-in's etc. Start ORGANIZING and getting everyone to occupy something! It's ALL our job to make this happen, not just people of color committee, etc. On 10/9/11, shaista husain <shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: > Thanks Rob, > Your claims on whiteness are highly problematic. The whiteness you take for > granted, 80% occupiers is, or 90% is dead wrong. Actually a large part of > those categorized incorrectly labelled white are spanish, arabs, > international, diverse internationals. I don't want to discuss census and > poll taking to disprove you, in fact in the US all arabs fall under white > category. Actually, i feel really troubled that efforts at proper > respresentation is so cynically described as "airbrushing" --its called > outreach--actively sspeaking to people of color in different languages and > also diversifying the movement in favor of plurality. BY insisting that > whites control this movement, you can hardly speak about class until you > address race. They are not separate spheres. > Anyway, you provide no solutions to bring more diversity, maybe ROB you > should come to the people of color meeting today, and help us form a way to > remedy this. > > > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 10:09 AM, rob hollander <lesrrd@[Link]> wrote: > >> Right now the encampment occupiers are at least 80% white. It reflects its >> source base: the GA's I attended in August were closer to 90% white and 0% >> black. >> >> It's not a tech issue. Unions and CUNY students, for example, bring >> diversity to their protests because their source base is diverse. Their >> program, issues and slogans speak directly to their own source base.
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>> >> OWS has not targeted racism and is not speaking specifically to people of >> color: its program, issues and slogans have targeted not race but class >> and >> political structure-- banks, economic injustice and the perversion of >> democracy in our politics. OWS hasn't even widely targeted immigration so >> far as I can see, judging from the homemade posters at Liberty Plaza. >> >> Here are a few issues OWS might be able to glom onto ->> >> *Banks * >> The foreclosure crisis was a disaster for the US, but it is *worse for >> black people in America*: >> [Link] >> >> *The recession, jobs and health care* >> Recession *disproportionately impacts people of color in jobs and health >> care* >> [Link]/minorityhealth/upload/[Link] >> >> *Public sector austerity* >> Tuition is outrageous everywhere, but tuition hikes in public higher >> education, the only low-cost option, impacts people of color >> disproportionately: 74 percent of CUNY students are people of color. >> >> Public transit hikes disproportionately impact people of color: >> >> [Link] >> * >> The economy* >> Black unemployment is not just twice the rate of whites, but it rose in >> August, while white unemployment fell: >> >> [Link] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Development and real estate* Gentrification continues to displace people of color throughout Manhattan and now in Brooklyn too. OWS might be able to handle race without divisiveness. I hope this movement can be all things to all peoples and all issues. That may be possible, or may not. Maybe featuring spokespersons of color will help. But you can't digitally airbrush every photograph and video to put color into the 80% white occupiers. OWS needs to bring more diversity in as positive a way as possible. In any case, I hope OWS will keep a dynamic of positivity and newness and openness.

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>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:06 PM, <jemcgloin@[Link]> wrote: >> >>> actually laughing out loud! >>> >>> >>> On 10/08/11, gail zawacki<witsendnj@[Link]> wrote: >>> How's this for diversity? >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Jon Good >>> <therealjongood@[Link]>wrote: >>> >>>> Might a call be put out for artists of color to get more diverse, >>>> multicultural representations out there? Or to all artists to get >>>> specifically non-white people representing this movement? I have the >>>> visual >>>> art ability of a two-year-old, otherwise i'd practice what I preached >>>> myself. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:01 AM, rob hollander <lesrrd@[Link]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> +1 >>>>> Even the ballerina served well, too -- it was praised in one of the >>>>> first serious articles on OWS when most media were calling OWS >>>>> muddle-headed >>>>> and naive. The image and text implied something new and smart. So, yes, >>>>> many, many, many more... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 7:40 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@[Link]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hopefully there will be many many many many many many images and >>>>>> posters that circulate-- that is the point, right? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:58 AM, shaista husain < >>>>>> shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes you are right 100% no stereotypes--so why do we always need one >>>>>>> woman or one individual for a poster? we are leaderless organization >>>>>>> so we >>>>>>> claim why are we establishing icons that do not reflect this claim? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 7:07 PM, <jemcgloin@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Becareful with native Amercan or other ethnic/racial cliches. Just >>>>>>>> add an obvious mix of people so that it is obcious that all are >>>>>>>> invited. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 10/07/11, shaista husain<shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote:
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>>>>>>>> Yes, she did look indigenous, but perhaps we can add another >>>>>>>> signifier to make sure there is no confusion--perhaps a feather (i >>>>>>>> am just >>>>>>>> giving an example) or some other blatant signifier will illustrate >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> further. We are multicultural. Please in all we do and say, let's >>>>>>>> please >>>>>>>> please be inclusive--love each other-- i did make a very strong >>>>>>>> polemic with >>>>>>>> some people of color who were complaining about young white >>>>>>>> protesters who >>>>>>>> wanted to fight the police, and these people of color were >>>>>>>> complaining that >>>>>>>> immigrants and folks can't always do that and its dangerous to put >>>>>>>> people of >>>>>>>> color in that kind of situation. But i told them, when the police >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> attacking us, as they are wont to do, its those same courageous >>>>>>>> white youth >>>>>>>> who will put their bodies in between you and the police. So shut the >>>>>>>> fuck >>>>>>>> up. >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Shaista >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Thadeaus <thadeaus@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I totally agree. and think we all need to be very aware of what >>>>>>>>> kind >>>>>>>>> of face(s) we put forward to represent this movement and attract >>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>> supporters. I noticed an otherwise wonderful tri-paneled hand out >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> welcomed people to the occupied space had a number of illustrations >>>>>>>>> but only >>>>>>>>> of yuppie looking seemingly white people. I think this was meant as >>>>>>>>> satire >>>>>>>>> of vacation brochures, but even so companies that seek diverse >>>>>>>>> customers >>>>>>>>> have been incorporating people of color into their promo materials >>>>>>>>> for years >>>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As for the image in the poster in question: I am pretty sure that >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> was originally a panel in Eric Drooker <[Link] >>>>>>>>> wordless graphic novel Blood >>>>>>>>> Song<[Link] >>>>>>>>> It's a amazing and beautiful book. The main character of the book >>>>>>>>> and who is >>>>>>>>> pictured in the poster is I think of South-East Asian origin. The >>>>>>>>> art was >>>>>>>>> not created to represent our protest. >>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> heart >>>>>>>>> Thadeaus >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:49 PM, shaista husain < >>>>>>>>> shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well I prefer to be behind the camera, but i can help in >>>>>>>>>> addressing >>>>>>>>>> this issue.. thank you >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Matthew Presto < >>>>>>>>>> [Link]@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Agreed with Shaista. Let's move as far away from the ballerina >>>>>>>>>>> poster that a lot of us had issues with way back when. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:44 PM, shaista husain < >>>>>>>>>>> shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> A huge backlash is coming against this movement by those >>>>>>>>>>>> powerful >>>>>>>>>>>> people of color minorities who have been protesting their whole >>>>>>>>>>>> lives, that >>>>>>>>>>>> this movement is white and middle class. It is important to us >>>>>>>>>>>> that is is >>>>>>>>>>>> not ALWAYS represented that way, taking issues of representation >>>>>>>>>>>> in our >>>>>>>>>>>> "official" campaigns, a little sensitivity to diversity is what >>>>>>>>>>>> demarcates >>>>>>>>>>>> us clearly from RIGHT WING movement that is also against Wall >>>>>>>>>>>> St.--we are >>>>>>>>>>>> multicultural ----that has to be emphasized always, as you know >>>>>>>>>>>> the IDF >>>>>>>>>>>> across britain, the islamophobes all the racist haters are also >>>>>>>>>>>> up in arms >>>>>>>>>>>> against wall street. What differentiates us is our >>>>>>>>>>>> MULTICULTURALISM. >>>>>>>>>>>> Breivnik by killing students in Norway has ushered in the >>>>>>>>>>>> neo-fascist hatred >>>>>>>>>>>> for white people who stand in arms with people of color and >>>>>>>>>>>> immigrants. All >>>>>>>>>>>> of you white comrades in this movement stand together with >>>>>>>>>>>> historically >>>>>>>>>>>> oppressed people as brothers and sisters. Please take this >>>>>>>>>>>> seriously in love >>>>>>>>>>>> and comradeship, we need to protect each other. Our language >>>>>>>>>>>> needs to >>>>>>>>>>>> reflect this on every level. We need to be politically savvy >>>>>>>>>>>> inclusive and
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>>>>>>>>>>>> sophisticated. >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>>>>> Shaista >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:37 PM, shaista husain < >>>>>>>>>>>> shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Some more people of color "speaking for this movement" in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> media team--you know who go out to mainstream media, also would >>>>>>>>>>>>> not hurt us. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, shaista husain < >>>>>>>>>>>>> shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you put some dreadlocks on her, does every female the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> represents this movement have to be visibly white? Perhaps >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just one poster >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with illustrating some sensitivity to people of color who make >>>>>>>>>>>>>> up the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority of THIS CITY???? This movement is not all white >>>>>>>>>>>>>> people and if there >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is NO leadership, then it becomes important to be sensitive >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about images of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> individuals who come to signify the movement as a whole. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PERHAPS and now im >>>>>>>>>>>>>> begging you comrades, its so real it fucking hurts, can we get >>>>>>>>>>>>>> some people >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of color visibility.. ATLEAST ONE poster that reflects this? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bet you it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be so celebrated!!! Perhaps an indigenous woman? PLEASE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLEASE PLEASE> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks.. Thanks!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, gail zawacki < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> witsendnj@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's fantastic and uplifting! I ended a morbid blogpost with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, here... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Link] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:51 PM, grimwomyn < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grimwomyn@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this would be an awesome sticker as well! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Sarah < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss.quintessential01@[Link]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Eric Drooker <mail@[Link]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:40 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Occupy Wall Street . . . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Eric Drooker <hi@[Link]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Friends & Fellow Occupiers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To help our powerful, new Occupy Movement spread to other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cites, I've created a powerful new poster (attached). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please help circulate this poster image (e-mail, facebook, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twitter, print, etc.), and help build momentum in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> streets! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now is our time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Eric >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. And please pass along this URL, where people can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hi-res versions of the new posters in many languages: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Link] <[Link] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ->>>>> Rob Hollander >>>>> Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development >>>>> [Link] >>>>> 622 E 11, #10 >>>>> NYC, 10009 >>>>> 212-228-6152 <[Link]
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>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> ->> Rob Hollander >> Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development >> [Link] >> 622 E 11, #10 >> NYC, 10009 >> 212-228-6152 >> >> >

-Rob Hollander Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development [Link] 622 E 11, #10 NYC, 10009 212-228-6152

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september17@[Link] on behalf of grimwomyn september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Occupys Media coordination effort shared doc Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] PM

absolutely! please put occupymedia@[Link] on for permission to view-- we would love those contacts for reporting in the paper--On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:29 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@[Link]> wrote: > This guy, who goes by Santana, had the excellent idea of creating a media > list for occupiers from all the cities, in order to compile footage and make > short vids w/ shots from all cities. > Would an open, editable google doc be best 4 this? > -justin > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: s kenner <sskenner@[Link]> > Date: October 7, 2011 [Link] PM EDT > To: "Jwedes@[Link]" <Jwedes@[Link]> > Subject: Occupys Media coordination effort shared doc > > You said u would create and share a doc of media contacts in the occupys > that are following the twitter feed. > > As a reminder, please send out request via twitter so that the list can be > used to sort out who is really doing what. > > My email is sskenner@[Link] > > Once you do this I will be able to identify who we will need to share info > with at each site to ensure everyone has access to everyone's stuff. >

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Siddattha Gurung september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Greetings from Berlin Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] AM

fuck off LaRouche.

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Jon Good september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Greetings from Berlin Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] AM

I have tried several times to understand LaRouche's political writing, and every time i do, I come away convinced that I'm reading pure nonsense. The above letter is similarly ridiculous: this movement does not have re-instating glass-stegall as it's central focus, it's just one of many proposals that are being considered (Wall St and high finance were still able to exploit people when glass-stegall wis in effect, remember). Also, his claim that East Germany never had the D-Mark is patently false, as is the claim that U.S. expansion started with Nixon. But that is not the biggest problem with LaRouche. I have serious, serious issues with the LaRouche group's tactics of violence. When I was working on political campaigns (back before I gave up on mainstream politics), LaRouche people would attempt to crash candidates' events in the middle of speeches, and physically assault the campaign staff to get past the doors with their signs. I have been punched in the jaw and elbowed in the stomach unprovoked and by surpriseby LaRouche people trying to gain entry to an overcapacity town hall event. About a year later, when LaRouche's people came to campaign through my college (once again, just storming into meetings of other groups and shouting over every other voice until people either listened to them or kicked them out), one of LaRouche kids came up to me and asked for my help escaping from the group, because he realized they were wrong and he wanted to go home to his family. He said I had to hide him, because he was convinced that his colleagues would drag him out in the middle of the night if the could find him. I couldn't hide him, so I passed him along to someone who could, and they took him to the Cleveland bus station and got him a ticket back home. He seemed *really* scared of being caught. It really freaked me out. Anyway, that's my problem with LaRouche and why I believe he has no legitimacy, even if he had never advocated putting AIDS patients in "quarantine camps", made ties with the KKK, and set up his members to be FBI informants on other leftist groups (all of which he did). There are some parts of that letter that are good and inspiring, but they are overwhelmed by the half-truths, lies, and seriously warped framing of the issues. Solidarity, Jon

On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 8:53 AM, jerome <nbwproject@[Link]> wrote: i' might add, why do you say it's YOUR movement? Do you represent the majority this world wide movement?

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september17@[Link] on behalf of jerome september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Greetings from Berlin Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] AM

i' might add, why do you say it's YOUR movement? Do you represent the majority this world wide movement?

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september17@[Link] on behalf of jerome september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Greetings from Berlin Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] AM

i don't think Larouche is a facist. in anything he says or do. Most people that critisize him just slader him, and have nothing to say about what he proposes. i never saw anything racist,anti-gay,anti-christian,anti-jews,or anything like reducing word population in his writings. only brain less people with no arguments on ideas can critizize him of beeing a facist.

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september17@[Link] on behalf of J.A. Myerson september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Greetings from Berlin Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] AM

Hey team, In no sense is this thread furthering our cause. Can we please end it and get on with planning? In solidarity, JAM On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Siddattha Gurung <gurus655@[Link]> wrote: fuck off LaRouche.

-J.A. Myerson [Link] 347.688.0241

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Amin Husain september17@[Link] september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Important Note Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] AM

What I want to emphasis is not the conversation here should not occur but for us to know that they may not reach the Square where working groups and general assemblies are making decisions. The conversations here are important; the challenge is to make them heard at the park where the direction of the movement is visible to the world and is being shaped. If people on this list serv do not care too much about that, that's cool. On Oct 9, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@[Link]> wrote: One thing to keep in mind is that, as John pointed out, not everyone can spend hours every day in the park. The listserv is a way for some of those people (which is most of the 99%) to stay in touch with each other. Even if the discussions here don't correspond to what is happening in the park, the park is not the whole movement. Most of the people we are trying to reach can't commit to spending huge amounts of time in the park. This is why I think that what really matters most about OWS is not what those of us who go to the park every day or nearly every day do, but what the millions who aren't in the park but sympathize with us do. Doug On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:38 AM, jason ahmadi <[Link]@[Link]> wrote: Again with the echo and repeat, As a person who was helping with the organization before the 17th and as a person who spends most of my time in the square and gets to check email once every couple of days or so, I am totally unable to keep up with this email list. So even though I am one of the 300 or so on this list, I can not keep up with the insane amount of emails that people disseminate on this list. Also I am excited to see that the aspects I am personally critical about with our movement being resolved. Albeit, sometimes it can be frustrated on the solutions not coming immediately, but the problems do seem to get fixed. It is amazing how good things truly come with patience. I am not sure how to deal with the communication on this list not reaching those in the park, but I am sure something will occur in time if we all stay committed to solutions and hold on to our patience and commitment. Peace and Love, Jason

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On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Marina Sitrin <[Link]@[Link]> wrote: Echo and repeat. I too have sometimes seen conversations on this list that are simultaneously happening in the Plaza, but without a direct relationship to one another ... something to think about ... And, sometimes there are discussions here, on the list, and they are significantly different from the direction of a conversation in the Plaza. Not that this is a "problem" but it does make for unclear communication. It would be great if those of us on the list could also be aware of the minutes and more informal live discussions in the Plaza, so as to be in a similar place of awareness together. And to also echo Amin's point, this list is relatively and representationally much smaller. Again, not to try and silence anyone, but raise awareness when we speak, who we are speaking to and with. Marina On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Amin Husain <[Link]@[Link]> wrote: > All, > I want people on this google group to know that though great conversations > are happening here, one should not rely on this forum as a mass > dissemination outlet for those ideas. I am told, to my surprise (and > someone correct me if I am wrong), that there are less than 300 people on > this google group. That is not good. The best way to make sure thoughts, > observations, feedback, suggestions, proposals, etc., regarding the movement > are disseminated and acted upon is to share them with working groups, info > desk, and/or general assembly. Please keep this in mind. I have been > trying to forward certain email threads to those that I think can benefit > from it, like PR or info, but I am not doing it all the time and won't due > to the lack of time. > Amin

-Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Important Note Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] AM

One thing to keep in mind is that, as John pointed out, not everyone can spend hours every day in the park. The listserv is a way for some of those people (which is most of the 99%) to stay in touch with each other. Even if the discussions here don't correspond to what is happening in the park, the park is not the whole movement. Most of the people we are trying to reach can't commit to spending huge amounts of time in the park. This is why I think that what really matters most about OWS is not what those of us who go to the park every day or nearly every day do, but what the millions who aren't in the park but sympathize with us do. Doug On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:38 AM, jason ahmadi <[Link]@[Link]> wrote: Again with the echo and repeat, As a person who was helping with the organization before the 17th and as a person who spends most of my time in the square and gets to check email once every couple of days or so, I am totally unable to keep up with this email list. So even though I am one of the 300 or so on this list, I can not keep up with the insane amount of emails that people disseminate on this list. Also I am excited to see that the aspects I am personally critical about with our movement being resolved. Albeit, sometimes it can be frustrated on the solutions not coming immediately, but the problems do seem to get fixed. It is amazing how good things truly come with patience. I am not sure how to deal with the communication on this list not reaching those in the park, but I am sure something will occur in time if we all stay committed to solutions and hold on to our patience and commitment. Peace and Love, Jason On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Marina Sitrin <[Link]@[Link]> wrote: Echo and repeat. I too have sometimes seen conversations on this list that are simultaneously happening in the Plaza, but without a direct relationship to one another ... something to think about ... And, sometimes there are discussions here, on the list, and they are significantly different from the direction of a conversation in the Plaza. Not that this is a "problem" but it does make for unclear communication. It would be great if those of us on the list could also be aware of the minutes and more informal live discussions in the Plaza, so as to be in a similar place of awareness together. And to also echo Amin's point, this list is relatively and
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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

representationally much smaller. Again, not to try and silence anyone, but raise awareness when we speak, who we are speaking to and with. Marina On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Amin Husain <[Link]@[Link]> wrote: > All, > I want people on this google group to know that though great conversations > are happening here, one should not rely on this forum as a mass > dissemination outlet for those ideas. I am told, to my surprise (and > someone correct me if I am wrong), that there are less than 300 people on > this google group. That is not good. The best way to make sure thoughts, > observations, feedback, suggestions, proposals, etc., regarding the movement > are disseminated and acted upon is to share them with working groups, info > desk, and/or general assembly. Please keep this in mind. I have been > trying to forward certain email threads to those that I think can benefit > from it, like PR or info, but I am not doing it all the time and won't due > to the lack of time. > Amin

-Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che

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september17@[Link] on behalf of jason ahmadi september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Important Note Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] AM

Again with the echo and repeat, As a person who was helping with the organization before the 17th and as a person who spends most of my time in the square and gets to check email once every couple of days or so, I am totally unable to keep up with this email list. So even though I am one of the 300 or so on this list, I can not keep up with the insane amount of emails that people disseminate on this list. Also I am excited to see that the aspects I am personally critical about with our movement being resolved. Albeit, sometimes it can be frustrated on the solutions not coming immediately, but the problems do seem to get fixed. It is amazing how good things truly come with patience. I am not sure how to deal with the communication on this list not reaching those in the park, but I am sure something will occur in time if we all stay committed to solutions and hold on to our patience and commitment. Peace and Love, Jason On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Marina Sitrin <[Link]@[Link]> wrote: Echo and repeat. I too have sometimes seen conversations on this list that are simultaneously happening in the Plaza, but without a direct relationship to one another ... something to think about ... And, sometimes there are discussions here, on the list, and they are significantly different from the direction of a conversation in the Plaza. Not that this is a "problem" but it does make for unclear communication. It would be great if those of us on the list could also be aware of the minutes and more informal live discussions in the Plaza, so as to be in a similar place of awareness together. And to also echo Amin's point, this list is relatively and representationally much smaller. Again, not to try and silence anyone, but raise awareness when we speak, who we are speaking to and with. Marina On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Amin Husain <[Link]@[Link]> wrote: > All, > I want people on this google group to know that though great conversations > are happening here, one should not rely on this forum as a mass > dissemination outlet for those ideas. I am told, to my surprise (and > someone correct me if I am wrong), that there are less than 300 people on > this google group. That is not good. The best way to make sure thoughts, > observations, feedback, suggestions, proposals, etc., regarding the movement
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> > > > > >

are disseminated and acted upon is to share them with working groups, info desk, and/or general assembly. Please keep this in mind. I have been trying to forward certain email threads to those that I think can benefit from it, like PR or info, but I am not doing it all the time and won't due to the lack of time. Amin

-Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che

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september17@[Link] on behalf of jemcgloin@[Link] september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Important Note Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] AM

Due to having a more than full time job and a daughter entering HS, and the fact that I am trying to do outreach on Staten Island, I am not always able to get to the General Assembly, and when I get there it is not easy to find the working groups that I need at that time, and it seems it is very difficult to get ideas on the GA agenda without finding those woring groups. The [Link] website is becoming a better place to interface with working groups and to get information on what the GA is doing, but it has been a long time coming and this google group has been an important way to interface with the movement. Many important conversations happen here. I have always been aware that not everyone in the movement is on the group. It may be a good idea to start moving these discussions off to the website, and I have been going there also, but there is now a core group here that has been working together on this for a long time, and this will be the first place i come for a while after this. thnx, john On 10/09/11, Amin Husain<[Link]@[Link]> wrote: All, I want people on this google group to know that though great conversations are happening here, one should not rely on this forum as a mass dissemination outlet for those ideas. I am told, to my surprise (and someone correct me if I am wrong), that there are less than 300 people on this google group. That is not good. The best way to make sure thoughts, observations, feedback, suggestions, proposals, etc., regarding the movement are disseminated and acted upon is to share them with working groups, info desk, and/or general assembly. Please keep this in mind. I have been trying to forward certain email threads to those that I think can benefit from it, like PR or info, but I am not doing it all the time and won't due to the lack of time. Amin

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Marina Sitrin september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Important Note Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] AM

Echo and repeat. I too have sometimes seen conversations on this list that are simultaneously happening in the Plaza, but without a direct relationship to one another ... something to think about ... And, sometimes there are discussions here, on the list, and they are significantly different from the direction of a conversation in the Plaza. Not that this is a "problem" but it does make for unclear communication. It would be great if those of us on the list could also be aware of the minutes and more informal live discussions in the Plaza, so as to be in a similar place of awareness together. And to also echo Amin's point, this list is relatively and representationally much smaller. Again, not to try and silence anyone, but raise awareness when we speak, who we are speaking to and with. Marina On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Amin Husain <[Link]@[Link]> wrote: > All, > I want people on this google group to know that though great conversations > are happening here, one should not rely on this forum as a mass > dissemination outlet for those ideas. I am told, to my surprise (and > someone correct me if I am wrong), that there are less than 300 people on > this google group. That is not good. The best way to make sure thoughts, > observations, feedback, suggestions, proposals, etc., regarding the movement > are disseminated and acted upon is to share them with working groups, info > desk, and/or general assembly. Please keep this in mind. I have been > trying to forward certain email threads to those that I think can benefit > from it, like PR or info, but I am not doing it all the time and won't due > to the lack of time. > Amin

-Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che

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september17@[Link] on behalf of acpollack2@[Link] september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Important Note Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] AM

I think there's not necessarily a contradiction between what Amin and Doug are saying. Certainly both (and all of us) agree with the Occupy Everything rap given at the GA yesterday. The Internet is one way of encouraging that, throughout NY and the country (and world). But for EACH of those occupations to be real, physical participation is crucial. And the virtue of the Occupy Everything slogan is that eventually occupations will happen precisely in those locations at which working people can't get away from: their jobs, their neighborhoods, their childcare centers, etc. Andy ---------- Original Message ---------From: Amin Husain <[Link]@[Link]> To: "september17@[Link]" <september17@[Link]> Cc: "september17@[Link]" <september17@[Link]> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Important Note Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 [Link] -0400 What I want to emphasis is not the conversation here should not occur but for us to know that they may not reach the Square where working groups and general assemblies are making decisions. The conversations here are important; the challenge is to make them heard at the park where the direction of the movement is visible to the world and is being shaped. If people on this list serv do not care too much about that, that's cool. On Oct 9, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@[Link]> wrote: One thing to keep in mind is that, as John pointed out, not everyone can spend hours every day in the park. The listserv is a way for some of those people (which is most of the 99%) to stay in touch with each other. Even if the discussions here don't correspond to what is happening in the park, the park is not the whole movement. Most of the people we are trying to reach can't commit to spending huge amounts of time in the park. This is why I think that what really matters most about OWS is not what those of us who go to the park every day or nearly every day do, but what the millions who aren't in the park but sympathize with us do. Doug On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:38 AM, jason ahmadi <[Link]@[Link]> wrote: Again with the echo and repeat, As a person who was helping with the organization before the 17th and as a person who spends most of my time in the square and gets to check email once every couple of days or so, I am totally unable to
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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

keep up with this email list. So even though I am one of the 300 or so on this list, I can not keep up with the insane amount of emails that people disseminate on this list. Also I am excited to see that the aspects I am personally critical about with our movement being resolved. Albeit, sometimes it can be frustrated on the solutions not coming immediately, but the problems do seem to get fixed. It is amazing how good things truly come with patience. I am not sure how to deal with the communication on this list not reaching those in the park, but I am sure something will occur in time if we all stay committed to solutions and hold on to our patience and commitment. Peace and Love, Jason On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Marina Sitrin <[Link]@[Link]> wrote: Echo and repeat. I too have sometimes seen conversations on this list that are simultaneously happening in the Plaza, but without a direct relationship to one another ... something to think about ... And, sometimes there are discussions here, on the list, and they are significantly different from the direction of a conversation in the Plaza. Not that this is a "problem" but it does make for unclear communication. It would be great if those of us on the list could also be aware of the minutes and more informal live discussions in the Plaza, so as to be in a similar place of awareness together. And to also echo Amin's point, this list is relatively and representationally much smaller. Again, not to try and silence anyone, but raise awareness when we speak, who we are speaking to and with. Marina On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Amin Husain <[Link]@[Link]> wrote: > All, > I want people on this google group to know that though great conversations > are happening here, one should not rely on this forum as a mass > dissemination outlet for those ideas. I am told, to my surprise (and > someone correct me if I am wrong), that there are less than 300 people on > this google group. That is not good. The best way to make sure
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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

thoughts, > observations, feedback, suggestions, proposals, etc., regarding the movement > are disseminated and acted upon is to share them with working groups, info > desk, and/or general assembly. Please keep this in mind. I have been > trying to forward certain email threads to those that I think can benefit > from it, like PR or info, but I am not doing it all the time and won't due > to the lack of time. > Amin

-Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che

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september17@[Link] on behalf of acpollack2@[Link] september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Lady for a radio interview wanted Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] AM

He: Who was that lady I saw you with at Zuccotti Park last night? She: That was no lady, that was an Occupy Wall Street leader! (Sorry, I couldn't resist... :) ---------- Original Message ---------From: grimwomyn <grimwomyn@[Link]> To: september17 <september17@[Link]> Subject: [september17discuss] Lady for a radio interview wanted Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 [Link] -0400 They want a lady! Ladies? Who wants it?

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september17@[Link] on behalf of grimwomyn september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Lady for a radio interview wanted Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] AM

YES!!! LOVE IT! On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:55 AM, acpollack2@[Link] <acpollack2@[Link]> wrote: > He: Who was that lady I saw you with at Zuccotti Park last night? > She: That was no lady, that was an Occupy Wall Street leader! > (Sorry, I couldn't resist... :) > > ---------- Original Message ---------> From: grimwomyn <grimwomyn@[Link]> > To: september17 <september17@[Link]> > Subject: [september17discuss] Lady for a radio interview wanted > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 [Link] -0400 > > They want a lady! > > Ladies? Who wants it?

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Meeting locations Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] PM

Will Lisa or somebody who is working on "sound and shelter" be at the 9pm meeting tonight? Would love to share the parallel efforts around sound and try to coordinate them! -justin On Oct 9, 2011, at 5:50 PM, Lisa wrote: I am forwarding the email below, the sentiment of which I completely agree with and will be attending the meeting tonight after GA, at Libor's request since he is waiting to be added to the listserv. I completely agree with Marina's email below. I also would like to stress the need for meetings of the working groups to occur not just at 9 AM. Many are also expressing the need for more timely posting of group and GA minutes to the website as there are many folks participating but who cannot make meeting times and spend many hours at Liberty. There is a disconnect. While I agree with developing a good neighbor policy with CB1, there are others working on sound. Justin I have been trying to speak with you (becuase you are the only person I've identified in the community relations group) since wednesday about the efforts of the legal subgroup that was formed "sound and shelter". We finally had a few minutes last night but did not really have a conversation. We just need to find a more efficient way of communicating online and in person. In solidarity, Lisa ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Libor Koznar <liborkoznar@[Link]> Date: Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Meeting locations To: "lisajensky@[Link]" <lisajensky@[Link]> Hi Family :-) As #OccupyWallStreet is beautifully growing there is also need to increase the productivity and free-flow of information within all of our groups and networks. In order unclog the GA from follow up technicalities and enable GA to function freely, smoother and in broader aspect with all the audiences. There will be at 9PM tonight (following the GA) meeting of working groups delegations and other communities (some groups have over 200 people). We are asking each group to send for this first time meeting a delegation of 2or3 people(later on 4-6) who could take a report back to their groups. Many of us work in multiple groups. Also one of the reasons for this 9PM meeting is that many of us NYC
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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

activists with deep historic interconnection within the movement are working and organizing during the day, and can not make it to the 9AM structure meetings. This create big disconnect and void between grass-roots, activists, communities and what is going on at #OccupyWallStreet. All egocentric and producer-like mentality has to step aside. OccupyWallStreet is not here to only self represent itself, but it has much deeper role to represents voices and concerns internationally. OccupyWallStreet has a unique responsibility by being in the belly of the beast. We have deeper than moral responsibilities to act on behalf of people of all continents and struggling communities. From Congo to Palestine, to Philippines, to Colombia and all of our infringed upon communities. There is no time to waste. There is no time for OccupyWallStreet to be self-absorbed because to the rest of the world we are the 1%ers. Many Thanks to all of our working groups :-) In Solidarity Libor Von Occupywallstreet On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@[Link]> wrote: I think a plan to limit drumming/music should be considered as a part of the 'Good Neighbor Policy' being developed by the Community Relations Committee and Community Board 1, to be presented midweek to the GA. It should lay out clear expectations for drumming, as well as times for amplified sound (with Brookfield permission if possible) and no miccheck times for quiet, productive working group meetings. -justin On Oct 9, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Marina Sitrin wrote: > Justin, > > I totally hear you. At the same time the noise level in the Plaza > often makes it impossible. I would suggest having many time slots > where we do not have drumming or other music (lovely as it is) so that > we can hear one another when we want to meet. > > Has there already been a proposal with regard to drumming/music? I > know I am not alone in this sentiment. > > Marina > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@[Link]> wrote: >> Hi friends, >>
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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

>> There has been a beautiful explosion in the number and scope of new working groups and meetings for #occupywallstreet. >> >> At the same time, several groups or collections of groups have elected to meet off-site recently for various reasons. >> >> I understand the need to meet off-site when doing outreach with outside groups, but not for mere convenience or preferable noise level. Meeting off camp erodes trust in groups and alienates representatives or leaders of committees from their constituents/partners. >> >> For that reason, I am electing not to attend meetings planned outside of #LibertyPlaza (or the adjoined open red cube space) unless there is a compelling reason to meet off-site. If camp is not an amenable location for productive meetings, then that should be addressed at General Assembly. >> >> In a related note, I strongly discourage groups from meeting during General Assembly. I think everyone understands why. >> >> Please join me in supporting this tack on meeting times/locations. >> >> -Justin > > > > -> Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che

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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Lisa september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Meeting locations Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] PM

I am forwarding the email below, the sentiment of which I completely agree with and will be attending the meeting tonight after GA, at Libor's request since he is waiting to be added to the listserv. I completely agree with Marina's email below. I also would like to stress the need for meetings of the working groups to occur not just at 9 AM. Many are also expressing the need for more timely posting of group and GA minutes to the website as there are many folks participating but who cannot make meeting times and spend many hours at Liberty. There is a disconnect. While I agree with developing a good neighbor policy with CB1, there are others working on sound. Justin I have been trying to speak with you (becuase you are the only person I've identified in the community relations group) since wednesday about the efforts of the legal subgroup that was formed "sound and shelter". We finally had a few minutes last night but did not really have a conversation. We just need to find a more efficient way of communicating online and in person. In solidarity, Lisa ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Libor Koznar <liborkoznar@[Link]> Date: Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Meeting locations To: "lisajensky@[Link]" <lisajensky@[Link]> Hi Family :-) As #OccupyWallStreet is beautifully growing there is also need to increase the productivity and free-flow of information within all of our groups and networks. In order unclog the GA from follow up technicalities and enable GA to function freely, smoother and in broader aspect with all the audiences. There will be at 9PM tonight (following the GA) meeting of working groups delegations and other communities (some groups have over 200 people). We are asking each group to send for this first time meeting a delegation of 2or3 people(later on 4-6) who could take a report back to their groups. Many of us work in multiple groups. Also one of the reasons for this 9PM meeting is that many of us NYC activists with deep historic interconnection within the movement are working and organizing during the day, and can not make it to the 9AM structure meetings. This create big disconnect and void between grass-roots, activists, communities and what is going on at #OccupyWallStreet. All egocentric and producer-like mentality has to step aside. OccupyWallStreet is not here to only self represent itself, but it has much deeper role to represents voices and concerns internationally. OccupyWallStreet has a unique responsibility by being in the belly of the beast. We have deeper than moral responsibilities to act on behalf of people of all continents and struggling communities. From Congo to Palestine, to Philippines, to Colombia and all of our infringed upon communities. There is no time to waste. There is no time for OccupyWallStreet to be self-absorbed
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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

because to the rest of the world we are the 1%ers. Many Thanks to all of our working groups :-) In Solidarity Libor Von Occupywallstreet On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@[Link]> wrote: I think a plan to limit drumming/music should be considered as a part of the 'Good Neighbor Policy' being developed by the Community Relations Committee and Community Board 1, to be presented mid-week to the GA. It should lay out clear expectations for drumming, as well as times for amplified sound (with Brookfield permission if possible) and no mic-check times for quiet, productive working group meetings. -justin On Oct 9, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Marina Sitrin wrote: > Justin, > > I totally hear you. At the same time the noise level in the Plaza > often makes it impossible. I would suggest having many time slots > where we do not have drumming or other music (lovely as it is) so that > we can hear one another when we want to meet. > > Has there already been a proposal with regard to drumming/music? I > know I am not alone in this sentiment. > > Marina > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@[Link]> wrote: >> Hi friends, >> >> There has been a beautiful explosion in the number and scope of new working groups and meetings for #occupywallstreet. >> >> At the same time, several groups or collections of groups have elected to meet off-site recently for various reasons. >> >> I understand the need to meet off-site when doing outreach with outside groups, but not for mere convenience or preferable noise level. Meeting off camp erodes trust in groups and alienates representatives or leaders of committees from their constituents/partners. >> >> For that reason, I am electing not to attend meetings planned outside of #LibertyPlaza (or the adjoined open red cube space) unless there is a compelling reason to meet off-site. If camp is not an amenable location for productive meetings, then that should be addressed at General Assembly. >> >> In a related note, I strongly discourage groups from meeting during General Assembly. I think everyone understands why.
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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

>> >> Please join me in supporting this tack on meeting times/locations. >> >> -Justin > > > > -> Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che

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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Meeting locations Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] PM

I think a plan to limit drumming/music should be considered as a part of the 'Good Neighbor Policy' being developed by the Community Relations Committee and Community Board 1, to be presented midweek to the GA. It should lay out clear expectations for drumming, as well as times for amplified sound (with Brookfield permission if possible) and no mic-check times for quiet, productive working group meetings. -justin On Oct 9, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Marina Sitrin wrote: > Justin, > > I totally hear you. At the same time the noise level in the Plaza > often makes it impossible. I would suggest having many time slots > where we do not have drumming or other music (lovely as it is) so that > we can hear one another when we want to meet. > > Has there already been a proposal with regard to drumming/music? I > know I am not alone in this sentiment. > > Marina > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@[Link]> wrote: >> Hi friends, >> >> There has been a beautiful explosion in the number and scope of new working groups and meetings for #occupywallstreet. >> >> At the same time, several groups or collections of groups have elected to meet off-site recently for various reasons. >> >> I understand the need to meet off-site when doing outreach with outside groups, but not for mere convenience or preferable noise level. Meeting off camp erodes trust in groups and alienates representatives or leaders of committees from their constituents/partners. >> >> For that reason, I am electing not to attend meetings planned outside of #LibertyPlaza (or the adjoined open red cube space) unless there is a compelling reason to meet off-site. If camp is not an amenable location for productive meetings, then that should be addressed at General Assembly. >> >> In a related note, I strongly discourage groups from meeting during General Assembly. I think everyone understands why. >> >> Please join me in supporting this tack on meeting times/locations. >> >> -Justin > > > > -> Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che

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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Marina Sitrin september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Meeting locations Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] PM

Justin, I totally hear you. At the same time the noise level in the Plaza often makes it impossible. I would suggest having many time slots where we do not have drumming or other music (lovely as it is) so that we can hear one another when we want to meet. Has there already been a proposal with regard to drumming/music? I know I am not alone in this sentiment. Marina On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@[Link]> wrote: > Hi friends, > > There has been a beautiful explosion in the number and scope of new working groups and meetings for #occupywallstreet. > > At the same time, several groups or collections of groups have elected to meet off-site recently for various reasons. > > I understand the need to meet off-site when doing outreach with outside groups, but not for mere convenience or preferable noise level. Meeting off camp erodes trust in groups and alienates representatives or leaders of committees from their constituents/partners. > > For that reason, I am electing not to attend meetings planned outside of #LibertyPlaza (or the adjoined open red cube space) unless there is a compelling reason to meet off-site. If camp is not an amenable location for productive meetings, then that should be addressed at General Assembly. > > In a related note, I strongly discourage groups from meeting during General Assembly. I think everyone understands why. > > Please join me in supporting this tack on meeting times/locations. > > -Justin

-Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che

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september17@[Link] on behalf of lisajensky@[Link] ows_sept17 Re: [september17discuss] Meeting locations Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] PM

Yup as I said in my email, I'll be there, look forward to sharing efforts. - lisa Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From: Justin Wedes <jwedes@[Link]> Sender: september17@[Link] Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 [Link] -0400 To: <september17@[Link]> ReplyTo: september17@[Link] Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Meeting locations Will Lisa or somebody who is working on "sound and shelter" be at the 9pm meeting tonight? Would love to share the parallel efforts around sound and try to coordinate them! -justin On Oct 9, 2011, at 5:50 PM, Lisa wrote: I am forwarding the email below, the sentiment of which I completely agree with and will be attending the meeting tonight after GA, at Libor's request since he is waiting to be added to the listserv. I completely agree with Marina's email below. I also would like to stress the need for meetings of the working groups to occur not just at 9 AM. Many are also expressing the need for more timely posting of group and GA minutes to the website as there are many folks participating but who cannot make meeting times and spend many hours at Liberty. There is a disconnect. While I agree with developing a good neighbor policy with CB1, there are others working on sound. Justin I have been trying to speak with you (becuase you are the only person I've identified in the community relations group) since wednesday about the efforts of the legal subgroup that was formed "sound and shelter". We finally had a few minutes last night but did not really have a conversation. We just need to find a more efficient way of communicating online and in person. In solidarity, Lisa ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Libor Koznar <liborkoznar@[Link]> Date: Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Meeting locations To: "lisajensky@[Link]" <lisajensky@[Link]>

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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Hi Family :-) As #OccupyWallStreet is beautifully growing there is also need to increase the productivity and free-flow of information within all of our groups and networks. In order unclog the GA from follow up technicalities and enable GA to function freely, smoother and in broader aspect with all the audiences. There will be at 9PM tonight (following the GA) meeting of working groups delegations and other communities (some groups have over 200 people). We are asking each group to send for this first time meeting a delegation of 2or3 people(later on 4-6) who could take a report back to their groups. Many of us work in multiple groups. Also one of the reasons for this 9PM meeting is that many of us NYC activists with deep historic interconnection within the movement are working and organizing during the day, and can not make it to the 9AM structure meetings. This create big disconnect and void between grass-roots, activists, communities and what is going on at #OccupyWallStreet. All egocentric and producer-like mentality has to step aside. OccupyWallStreet is not here to only self represent itself, but it has much deeper role to represents voices and concerns internationally. OccupyWallStreet has a unique responsibility by being in the belly of the beast. We have deeper than moral responsibilities to act on behalf of people of all continents and struggling communities. From Congo to Palestine, to Philippines, to Colombia and all of our infringed upon communities. There is no time to waste. There is no time for OccupyWallStreet to be self-absorbed because to the rest of the world we are the 1%ers. Many Thanks to all of our working groups :-) In Solidarity Libor Von Occupywallstreet On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@[Link]> wrote: I think a plan to limit drumming/music should be considered as a part of the 'Good Neighbor Policy' being developed by the Community Relations Committee and Community Board 1, to be presented midweek to the GA. It should lay out clear expectations for drumming, as well as times for amplified sound (with Brookfield permission if possible) and no miccheck times for quiet, productive working group meetings. -justin On Oct 9, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Marina Sitrin wrote: > > > > > Justin, I totally hear you. At the same time the noise level in the Plaza often makes it impossible. I would suggest having many time slots where we do not have drumming or other music (lovely as it is) so

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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

that > we can hear one another when we want to meet. > > Has there already been a proposal with regard to drumming/music? I > know I am not alone in this sentiment. > > Marina > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@[Link]> wrote: >> Hi friends, >> >> There has been a beautiful explosion in the number and scope of new working groups and meetings for #occupywallstreet. >> >> At the same time, several groups or collections of groups have elected to meet off-site recently for various reasons. >> >> I understand the need to meet off-site when doing outreach with outside groups, but not for mere convenience or preferable noise level. Meeting off camp erodes trust in groups and alienates representatives or leaders of committees from their constituents/partners. >> >> For that reason, I am electing not to attend meetings planned outside of #LibertyPlaza (or the adjoined open red cube space) unless there is a compelling reason to meet off-site. If camp is not an amenable location for productive meetings, then that should be addressed at General Assembly. >> >> In a related note, I strongly discourage groups from meeting during General Assembly. I think everyone understands why. >> >> Please join me in supporting this tack on meeting times/locations. >> >> -Justin > > > > -> Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che

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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Amin Husain september17@[Link] september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] [Link] and Friends Attempt to Co-Opt Occupy Wall Street Movement Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] PM

Without comment on the subject, I would say you present agenda items to the facilitation Working group. The info desk on either side of the park has contact info, location info, and forms. On Oct 11, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@[Link]> wrote: As a Democrat (as opposed to a Democratic politician), I pretty much agree with this. I know the GA (of the Wall Street occupation) has been hesitant to actually make any declarations on issues, but it would be perfect if we passed something opposing the GeorgiaWorks-style portion of Obama's jobs bill. Who do I go to to put this on the agenda to propose to the GA? --glj gabjoh2@[Link] 917-342-2564 On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:22 PM, David DeGraw <David@[Link]> wrote:

[Link] and Friends Attempt to Co-Opt Occupy Wall Street Movement

Tuesday 11 October 2011 by: Steve Horn, Truthout | News Analysis <[Link]> Gandhi once said [3] of growing Demonstrators with the Occupy Wall movements of social protestation, Street protests in Zucotti Park in New York, October 7, 2011. Protests in Wall "First they ignore you, then they Street section of New York enter their laugh at you, then they fight you, third week, with similar efforts then you win." The trajectory of springing up in Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles and Seattle. (Photo: Michael the ever-evolving and growing Appleton / The New York Times) Occupy Wall Street movement follows the same pattern almost to a "T," with slight variation. Now, apply that model to the most recent public relations and marketing ploys of organizations like [Link], the ascendant "Reclaim the American Dream Movement" and the general segment of society author and journalist Chris Hedges calls the "Liberal Class" in
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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

his most recent book titled "The Death of the Liberal Class [4]" (of which the former two are both a part). In so doing, one can observe a perfect case study of the liberal class in action, in four distinct acts, with one exception: "then they fight you" can be replaced with "then they attempt to co-opt your movement." Act One - Getting Ignored: In the early planning stages of Occupy Wall Street, few eyes were on those working behind the scenes to make this vision a reality. With little funding backing their cause, the activists calling for this action, to those even paying any attention to them at all (few and far between), seemed quixotic or at the very least, overly optimistic. This was the case even to those highly sympathetic to the cause and its accompanying ideology. How in the world does a rag-tag bunch of activists take on the financial power center of the world that calls the shots politically in statehouses around the country, on a federal level and around the world? Because the task was such a monumental undertaking, these activists were essentially ignored all throughout the planning stages and into the opening days of the occupation itself. The liberal class, predictably, was nowhere to be seen in the planning stages of Occupy Wall Street, wholeheartedly ignoring the fact, or simply not even knowing the fact, that this occupation was in the works. Act Two - Getting Laughed at: Once it was seen that, while not yet a movement, the people occupying Wall Street had, at the very least, legitimate grievances, the liberal class resorted to scornful tactics like mockery of the type of people in the movement - ad hominem attacks, if you will. The scorn was well-depicted by liberal environmental blogger, Grist's David Roberts, who tweeted [5], "I've been reading about #occupywallstreet for the last hour or two & it's just horrific. Practically designed to discredit leftist protest." It was also on perfect display with liberal blogger David Atkins, who mockingly tweeted [6], "If you want to #occupywallstreet, 1) shave 2) wear some decent clothes 3) coordinate signs about inequality 4) get a media spokesperson." The diatribe proceeded for multiple tweets, Atkins having listed ten points. In a post titled [7], "What's behind the scorn for the Wall Street protests?" [Link] blogger Glenn Greenwald aptly explained their behavior and tactics, writing, "Any entity that declares itself an adversary of prevailing institutional power is going to be viewed with hostility by establishment-serving institutions and their loyalists. That's just the nature of protests that take place outside approved channels, an inevitable by-product of disruptive dissent: those who are most vested in safeguarding and legitimizing establishment prerogatives ... are going to be hostile to those challenges. As the virtually universal disdain in these same circles for WikiLeaks (and, before that, for the Iraq War protests) demonstrated: the more effectively adversarial it is, the more establishment hostility it's going to provoke."
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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

The liberal class, though, quickly realized that Occupy Wall Street was gaining traction, with leaders of the left like Francis Fox Piven [8], Michael Moore [9], Naomi Klein [10], Cornel West [11] and Joseph Stiglitz [12] joining the cause in solidarity, and its leaders realized that it must co-opt the movement while time is still on its side. Act Three - Co-Option: With Occupy Wall Street off the ground, but its longevity still in flux, [Link] and its cousin, the Center For American Progress [13], and Van Jones' [14] Reclaim the American Dream Movement [15], were nowhere to be found. Instead, they were busy planning the Take Back The American Dream Conference [16], which took place from October 3 through October 5. "Taking back the American Dream," Jones said in an interview appearing on AlterNet [17], will be a three-step process. First, the planned November 17 "Rising Tide of Protest [18]," a protest, led by the Reclaim the American Dream Movement [15], will be held in a network of cities throughout the United States. As FireDogLake's David Dayen explained [18], "[The] November 17 protests announced by the American Dream Movement ... [are] a one-day protest across multiple cities across the country that organizers hope will be a massive activation of their supporters." Second, an amalgamation of coordinated house meetings and online teach-ins. "We're going to try to get a million leaders in America online and talking with each other. And that's going to be a major piece," said Jones. Third and most importantly to an organization "powered by," (aka a project of) [Link] [19], which among other things, is an organization that raises campaign money for Democratic Party candidates, Jones said the 2012 elections are a vital piece of the puzzle. "And then there's a third piece and it's new - and it seems to have escaped people's notice - and that's that we've said we're going to run 2012 people for office in 2012. Now, that's a big deal," Jones stated. "We're talking about U.S. senators who want to run as American Dream candidates - soon to be announced. We've reached out to the House Democratic Caucus; there are House members who want to run as American Dream candidates," he continued. What this translates to, in layman's terms, is the very process of coopting a growing movement of democratic resistance and trying to replace it with a sales pitch to go out in 2012 and vote Democrat. Jones and the Democratic Party operations in disguise, namely the likes of [Link] and the Center for American Progress, are taking a page out of the Dick Armey and Koch brothers' Tea Party co-option playbook with this one. Indeed, many forget that before the Tea Party was an Astroturf movement funded by Armey and the Koch brothers, it was an enraged
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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

grassroots movement, led mostly by Ron Paul libertarians [20]. Then it got co-opted and now it is a rotten pawn of corporate elites. If Occupy Wall Street organizers are not careful, this could also be their destiny. Act Four - Win or Be Co-Opted? That Is the Question: Occupy Wall Street, now three weeks into the occupation, now finds itself in a pivotal moment. Will the nonpartisan, anti-establishment movement allow itself to be co-opted by the Democratic Party serving powers that be, i.e. by the [Link] and Center for American Progresses of the world, or will it remain a strong, left, independent force that grows with each passing day and strikes fear into what the late sociologist C. Wright Mills calls the power elite [21]? One thing is for certain - the liberal class is working overtime to co-opt a burgeoning social justice movement. Exhibit A: On October 5, Day 19 of Occupy Wall Street, [Link] sent out an email calling on clicktivists (as opposed to activists) to "Join the Virtual March on Wall Street." "The 99% are both an inspiration and a call that needs to be answered. So we're answering it today, in a nationwide Virtual March on Wall Street to support their demand for an economy that serves the many, not the few ... Join in the virtual march by doing what hundreds have done spontaneously across the web: Take your picture holding a sign that tells your story, along with the words 'I am the 99%,'" wrote Daniel Mintz of [Link]. John Stauber [22] is a longtime critic of organizations like [Link] and Center for American Progress, and founder of the Center for Media and Democracy and co-author of "Toxic Sludge Is Good for You," a book that exposes how corporations and vested interests work to coopt movements for change. In an interview, he stated, "Don't be fooled. This will primarily be an effort to co-opt the language and energy to salvage Obama and the Dem Party. This is how you co-opt movements. The Occupy Wall Streeters are not leader oriented. Van Jones will become the voice of this in the mainstream," "The same thing happened to anti-war in 2007. [Link] was, to the mainstream, the voice of that movement," Stauber continued. "It is easy to read between the lines. For one thing, there is no criticism of Obama in the 'Reclaim the Dream' messaging and marketing. No one with a national reputation is going to do anything to undermine his reelection efforts. There is huge money in supporting Obama and nothing but pain and punishment in not - both desperation and self interest are driving this at this point in time." As Stauber alluded to, one only has to look a few years down the memory hole to see that, as William Faulkner wrote in "Requiem for a Nun [23]," "The past is never dead. It's not even past!" In an article about how the Democratic Party, teaming up with [Link] and other like-minded apparatchiks, viewed the Iraq war as a "gift" to wield for electoral purposes in the 2006 elections, Stauber
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wrote, "And how have the Democrats treated their gift now that they control Congress? The Democratic House and Senate have continued to fund the war while posturing against it ..." Later, in that same piece, Stauber juxtaposed the operatives with Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW), an organization that is against imperialistic foreign policy no matter who is in office, writing, "[IVAW] are not the concoction of a liberal think tank or PR firm; they have very little funding; they are not avoiding criticism of Democrats; and they are not playing political games trying to bank-shot Democratic candidates into the White House and Congress in 2008. They are in open non-violent revolt against US foreign policy, criticizing politicians of all stripes who would exploit the war for political gain." Fast forward five years and a nearly parallel situation exists. An independent and democratic economic justice movement, ground zero of which exists at the power center of economic injustice, namely Wall Street, has now spread to every corner of the country in some form or fashion within the framework of the Occupy Wall Street movement. The Democratic Party vultures are waiting to swoop in, steal the thunder and then make sure the focus is on electing Democrats, who are just as much to blame as Republicans for the ascendancy of Wall Street. If anything, they are even more to blame for the pacification role they play in co-opting the overwhelming swath of the left time and time again, no matter what horrible policies they pass. Will Occupy Wall Street of 2011 be a repeat of the Iraq war of 2006? Similar forces are at bay, that is for certain. It will all depend on activists deciding whether they choose to be used as a "gift," or if they choose to remain independent of the forces of cooption. Act four, to say the least, should be interesting. [Link]

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] November 5: Bank Transfer Day -- A Day of Financial Exodus Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

+1! On Oct 10, 2011, at 7:32 PM, Snafu wrote: > Hi all, > > I don't know how many of you are aware of this campaign for transferring bank accounts from giant corporate banks such as Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase, etc. to a Credit Union by November 5. The Facebook page has about 19,000 attendees: > > [Link] > > Considering that the big banks will begin reporting their earnings this week, it would be great if we could write and send out a press release saying that OWS is part of this campaign. This Nytimes article is already making the link between public anger at big banks (as exemplified by OWS) and a possible divestment wave from big banks equities: > > [Link] > > I think this is the perfect time to push this button. Considering the media visibility we have right now a simple press release saying that OWS invites the American people to transfer their savings to a credit union by November 5 will have a huge impact. Of course, this needs to be discussed in the GA, but I don't think it would be a very controversial subject. > > Snafu > >

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september17@[Link] on behalf of David DeGraw september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] NYPD Scooter Attack Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] AM

oh, i see this was part of thursday night, wasn't aware of this part. On 10/9/2011 2:14 AM, David DeGraw wrote: > Did this just happen now? > > [Link] > >

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Jon Good september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Our 30 sec ad - could this be it? Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] PM

This RULES! (in a totally participatory and non-coercive method of ruling)

On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 3:58 PM, J Wedes <jwedes@[Link]> wrote: [Link] Let's throw it on TV! -justin

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] OWS online presence Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] PM

+1 on no official website. Thing that stands out in my mind re [Link] is that it only has consensed-upon statements on it, which makes it more valuable than the next site. But not official. Sent from my iPad On Oct 11, 2011, at 11:40 AM, David DeGraw <David@[Link]> wrote: i thought we were going w/ no "official" website - leaderless, decentralized, right? of course [Link] , [Link] and OccupyTogether pull most traffic n have ton of street cred tho On 10/11/2011 12:08 AM, jemcgloin@[Link] wrote:
[Link] has always seemed helpful but the official website is [Link] This is an important issue that needs to be worked out

On 10/10/11, Winter Siroco<wintersiroco@[Link]> wrote: Actually you are bringing a very interesting question. I just heard that [Link] is just a group of 4 individuals who do not necessarily respond to OWS. If that is true it is an untenable situation, and perhaps the reason of the unresponsiveness that I have also heard in many corners of the plaza. OWS should have direct online presence, with a LOT of working unemployed people, not a somehow "friendly" entity of a few people willing or not willing to post content. Cesar On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Snafu <snafu@[Link]> wrote:

I agree with Beka, the site of the GA should be more visible from [Link]. As of now, there is the tab NYCGA, but it is rather cryptic and I don't think it draws much attention/traffic. Why don't we add a link on the right-hand column, right below the Where, Help&Directions, etc that says something like "New York City General Assembly: Working Groups, Minutes, and Official Declarations." It would also make a lot of sense to set up Working Groups lists (e.g. sept17outreach@...) that can be easily accessed from the NYCGA web site.

On 10/8/11 12:27 PM, beka economopoulos wrote: Where do we post minutes? I know they go on this

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site: [Link] I think most people don't know about this website, I don't see it linked to from [Link], and don't see instructions on the [Link] site on where to email or post notes. Is there a listserv for working group checkins and coordination, and mtg minutes? Is this the one? Seems like list this is more for discussion rather than working business. Does it makes sense to have separate Sept17-discuss and Sept17-WG lists? Thanks, and apologies if this is the wrong forum. Best, Beka -New: [Link] Not An Alternative [Link] Fission Strategy [Link] Phone: 917-202-5479 Skype: bekamop Twitter: [Link]

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september17@[Link] on behalf of David DeGraw september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] OWS online presence Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] AM

i thought we were going w/ no "official" website - leaderless, decentralized, right? of course [Link] , [Link] and OccupyTogether pull most traffic n have ton of street cred tho On 10/11/2011 12:08 AM, jemcgloin@[Link] wrote:
[Link] has always seemed helpful but the official website is [Link] This is an important issue that needs to be worked out

On 10/10/11, Winter Siroco<wintersiroco@[Link]> wrote: Actually you are bringing a very interesting question. I just heard that [Link] is just a group of 4 individuals who do not necessarily respond to OWS. If that is true it is an untenable situation, and perhaps the reason of the unresponsiveness that I have also heard in many corners of the plaza. OWS should have direct online presence, with a LOT of working unemployed people, not a somehow "friendly" entity of a few people willing or not willing to post content. Cesar On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Snafu <snafu@[Link]> wrote:

I agree with Beka, the site of the GA should be more visible from [Link]. As of now, there is the tab NYCGA, but it is rather cryptic and I don't think it draws much attention/traffic. Why don't we add a link on the right-hand column, right below the Where, Help&Directions, etc that says something like "New York City General Assembly: Working Groups, Minutes, and Official Declarations." It would also make a lot of sense to set up Working Groups lists (e.g. sept17-outreach@...) that can be easily accessed from the NYCGA web site.

On 10/8/11 12:27 PM, beka economopoulos wrote: Where do we post minutes? I know they go on this site: [Link] I think most people don't know about this website, I don't see it linked to from [Link], and don't see instructions on the [Link] site on where to email or post notes. Is there a listserv for working group checkins and coordination, and mtg minutes? Is this the one? Seems like list this is more for discussion rather than working business. Does it makes sense to have separate Sept17-discuss and Sept17-WG lists? Thanks, and apologies if this is the wrong forum. Best, Beka
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-New: [Link] Not An Alternative [Link] Fission Strategy [Link] Phone: 917-202-5479 Skype: bekamop Twitter: [Link]

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september17@[Link] on behalf of jemcgloin@[Link] september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] OWS online presence Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] AM

[Link] has always seemed helpful but the official website is [Link] This is an important issue that needs to be worked out

On 10/10/11, Winter Siroco<wintersiroco@[Link]> wrote: Actually you are bringing a very interesting question. I just heard that [Link] is just a group of 4 individuals who do not necessarily respond to OWS. If that is true it is an untenable situation, and perhaps the reason of the unresponsiveness that I have also heard in many corners of the plaza. OWS should have direct online presence, with a LOT of working unemployed people, not a somehow "friendly" entity of a few people willing or not willing to post content. Cesar On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Snafu <snafu@[Link]> wrote:

I agree with Beka, the site of the GA should be more visible from [Link]. As of now, there is the tab NYCGA, but it is rather cryptic and I don't think it draws much attention/traffic. Why don't we add a link on the right-hand column, right below the Where, Help&Directions, etc that says something like "New York City General Assembly: Working Groups, Minutes, and Official Declarations." It would also make a lot of sense to set up Working Groups lists (e.g. sept17-outreach@...) that can be easily accessed from the NYCGA web site.

On 10/8/11 12:27 PM, beka economopoulos wrote: Where do we post minutes? I know they go on this site: [Link] I think most people don't know about this website, I don't see it linked to from [Link], and don't see instructions on the [Link] site on where to email or post notes. Is there a listserv for working group checkins and coordination, and mtg minutes? Is this the one? Seems like list this is more for discussion rather than working business. Does it makes sense to have separate Sept17-discuss and Sept17-WG lists? Thanks, and apologies if this is the wrong forum. Best, Beka -New: [Link] Not An Alternative [Link]

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Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on [Link] by Thomas Ryan. PDF by [Link]

Fission Strategy [Link] Phone: 917-202-5479 Skype: bekamop Twitter: [Link]

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Justine september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] OWS online presence Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] PM

[Link] is an unofficial website run by an autonomous affinity group that predates the NYCGA by several weeks. We have supported the NYCGA its inception, helped it and related group raise hundreds of thousands of dollars, and plan to continue doing so. We consider ourselves members of the NYCGA; however, our support is entirely voluntary and motivated by deference and solidarity. We do not recognize the NYCGA as having the power to exert authority over how we run the website, or authority over anyone else for that matter. Many people forget that one of the most important founding principles of the NYCGA is non-binding consensus and freedom of association. The NYCGA is not an organization, it's an organizing tool. That's just what a people's assembly is. To quote one of guiding documents we used in the beginning:
The Assembly is based on free association if you are not in agreement with what has been decided, you are not obliged to carry it out. Every person is free to do what they wish [...]

[Link] On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:10 PM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@[Link]> wrote: Actually you are bringing a very interesting question. I just heard that [Link] is just a group of 4 individuals who do not necessarily respond to OWS. If that is true it is an untenable situation, and perhaps the reason of the unresponsiveness that I have also heard in many corners of the plaza. OWS should have direct online presence, with a LOT of working unemployed people, not a somehow "friendly" entity of a few people willing or not willing to post content. Cesar On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Snafu <snafu@[Link]> wrote: I agree with Beka, the site of the GA should be more visible from [Link]. As of now, there is the tab NYCGA, but it is rather cryptic and I don't think it draws much attention/traffic. Why don't we add a link on the right-hand column, right below the Where, Help&Directions, etc that says something like "New York City General Assembly: Working Groups, Minutes, and Official Declarations." It would also make a lot of sense to set up Working Groups lists (e.g. sept17outreach@...) that can be easily accessed from the NYCGA web site. On 10/8/11 12:27 PM, beka economopoulos wrote:
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Where do we post minutes? I know they go on this site: [Link] I think most people don't know about this website, I don't see it linked to from [Link], and don't see instructions on the [Link] site on where to email or post notes. Is there a listserv for working group checkins and coordination, and mtg minutes? Is this the one? Seems like list this is more for discussion rather than working business. Does it makes sense to have separate Sept17-discuss and Sept17-WG lists? Thanks, and apologies if this is the wrong forum. Best, Beka -New: [Link] Not An Alternative [Link] Fission Strategy [Link] Phone: 917-202-5479 Skype: bekamop Twitter: [Link]

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september17@[Link] on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Please help posting OPEN FORUMS on our website - Movement for Justice in El Barrio teach-in Sunday 6pm Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] PM

I've been in touch with them. It is the same description as the one they provided, so I'm not sure what their concern is... I'll write to justine and see that the calendar is corrected. On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@[Link]> wrote: > Hi everyone, > It's confirmed, Bill Mckibben is not speaking today. Can the event be > removed on the nycga calendar? right now it looks like he is overlapping > with movement for justice in el barrio. > Also, I'm hearing that the movement for justice is still concerned that the > description on our sites, including the facebook event, is not the one that > they sent in, is anyone aware of this and/or in contact with them? > 2011/10/8 NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@[Link]> >> >> thanks for the confirmation, layan! >> >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@[Link]> >> wrote: >> > Hi everyone, >> > I'll confirm this, but I was in contact with [Link] and I'm pretty sure >> > Bill Mckibben is not speaking on sunday at 6, he already spoke today at >> > the >> > washington square park ga, and just left new york city by plane. There >> > definitely should not be any conflict with the Movement for Justice in >> > El >> > Barrio! >> > Layan >> > 2011/10/8 Babak K <bkarimi17@[Link]> >> >> >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> Our friends from Movement for Justice in El Barrio and several other >> >> community groups are rightfully upset that they have still not been >> >> posted >> >> on our nycga website and calendar as part of the OPEN FORUM teach-in >> >> series. >> >> Can anyone please help us!? We've put a lot of effort to give a voice >> >> to >> >> groups that have been censored by this system. To become the 99%, we >> >> need to >> >> prioritize their presence and voice in our space. MJEB has spent a lot >> >> of >> >> time preparing and publicizing for this teach-in tomorrow. >> >> babak >> >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:15 PM, >> >> <movementforjusticeinelbarrio@[Link]> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> We just noticed that something was finally posted on Occupy Wall St. >> >>> Calendar for the Open Forum tomorrow at 6 pm. >> >>>

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>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >

>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > >

Someone named Bill will speak about climate change. We thought community groups were being prioritized. Should we assume that we are not scheduled to participate and not go? Please let us know. Thanks

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Layan Fuleihan september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Please help posting OPEN FORUMS on our website - Movement for Justice in El Barrio teach-in Sunday 6pm Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] PM

Hi everyone, It's confirmed, Bill Mckibben is not speaking today. Can the event be removed on the nycga calendar? right now it looks like he is overlapping with movement for justice in el barrio. Also, I'm hearing that the movement for justice is still concerned that the description on our sites, including the facebook event, is not the one that they sent in, is anyone aware of this and/or in contact with them? 2011/10/8 NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@[Link]> thanks for the confirmation, layan! On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@[Link]> wrote: > Hi everyone, > I'll confirm this, but I was in contact with [Link] and I'm pretty sure > Bill Mckibben is not speaking on sunday at 6, he already spoke today at the > washington square park ga, and just left new york city by plane. There > definitely should not be any conflict with the Movement for Justice in El > Barrio! > Layan > 2011/10/8 Babak K <bkarimi17@[Link]> >> >> Hello everyone, >> Our friends from Movement for Justice in El Barrio and several other >> community groups are rightfully upset that they have still not been posted >> on our nycga website and calendar as part of the OPEN FORUM teach-in series. >> Can anyone please help us!? We've put a lot of effort to give a voice to >> groups that have been censored by this system. To become the 99%, we need to >> prioritize their presence and voice in our space. MJEB has spent a lot of >> time preparing and publicizing for this teach-in tomorrow. >> babak >> >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:15 PM, <movementforjusticeinelbarrio@[Link]> >> wrote: >>> >>> We just noticed that something was finally posted on Occupy Wall St. >>> Calendar for the Open Forum tomorrow at 6 pm. >>> >>> Someone named Bill will speak about climate change. >>> >>> We thought community groups were being prioritized. >>> >>> Should we assume that we are not scheduled to participate and not go? >>>
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>>> Please let us know. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >> > >

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Layan Fuleihan september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Please help posting OPEN FORUMS on our website - Movement for Justice in El Barrio teach-in Sunday 6pm Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] PM

thanks nico! 2011/10/9 NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@[Link]> I've been in touch with them. It is the same description as the one they provided, so I'm not sure what their concern is... I'll write to justine and see that the calendar is corrected. On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@[Link]> wrote: > Hi everyone, > It's confirmed, Bill Mckibben is not speaking today. Can the event be > removed on the nycga calendar? right now it looks like he is overlapping > with movement for justice in el barrio. > Also, I'm hearing that the movement for justice is still concerned that the > description on our sites, including the facebook event, is not the one that > they sent in, is anyone aware of this and/or in contact with them? > 2011/10/8 NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@[Link]> >> >> thanks for the confirmation, layan! >> >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@[Link]> >> wrote: >> > Hi everyone, >> > I'll confirm this, but I was in contact with [Link] and I'm pretty sure >> > Bill Mckibben is not speaking on sunday at 6, he already spoke today at >> > the >> > washington square park ga, and just left new york city by plane. There >> > definitely should not be any conflict with the Movement for Justice in >> > El >> > Barrio! >> > Layan >> > 2011/10/8 Babak K <bkarimi17@[Link]> >> >> >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> Our friends from Movement for Justice in El Barrio and several other >> >> community groups are rightfully upset that they have still not been >> >> posted >> >> on our nycga website and calendar as part of the OPEN FORUM teach-in >> >> series. >> >> Can anyone please help us!? We've put a lot of effort to give a voice >> >> to >> >> groups that have been censored by this system. To become the 99%, we >> >> need to >> >> prioritize their presence and voice in our space. MJEB has spent a lot >> >> of >> >> time preparing and publicizing for this teach-in tomorrow. >> >> babak
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>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >

>> >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:15 PM, >> <movementforjusticeinelbarrio@[Link]> >> wrote: >>> >>> We just noticed that something was finally posted on Occupy Wall St. >>> Calendar for the Open Forum tomorrow at 6 pm. >>> >>> Someone named Bill will speak about climate change. >>> >>> We thought community groups were being prioritized. >>> >>> Should we assume that we are not scheduled to participate and not go? >>> >>> Please let us know. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >> > >

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Snafu september17@[Link] beka economopoulos; owsinfodeck@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Questions and proposal abt info systems (for [Link] admins) Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] AM

I agree with Beka, the site of the GA should be more visible from [Link]. As of now, there is the tab NYCGA, but it is rather cryptic and I don't think it draws much attention/traffic. Why don't we add a link on the right-hand column, right below the Where, Help&Directions, etc that says something like "New York City General Assembly: Working Groups, Minutes, and Official Declarations." It would also make a lot of sense to set up Working Groups lists (e.g. sept17outreach@...) that can be easily accessed from the NYCGA web site. On 10/8/11 12:27 PM, beka economopoulos wrote: Where do we post minutes? I know they go on this site: [Link] I think most people don't know about this website, I don't see it linked to from [Link], and don't see instructions on the [Link] site on where to email or post notes. Is there a listserv for working group checkins and coordination, and mtg minutes? Is this the one? Seems like list this is more for discussion rather than working business. Does it makes sense to have separate Sept17-discuss and Sept17-WG lists? Thanks, and apologies if this is the wrong forum. Best, Beka -New: [Link] Not An Alternative [Link] Fission Strategy [Link] Phone: 917-202-5479 Skype: bekamop
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Twitter: [Link]

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Questions and proposal abt info systems (for [Link] admins) Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

Yes! Right now it is not readily noticable. Should stand out. On 10/9/11, Snafu <snafu@[Link]> wrote: > > > I agree with Beka, the site of the GA should be more visible from > [Link]. As of now, there is the tab NYCGA, but it is rather > cryptic and I don't think it draws much attention/traffic. > > Why don't we add a link on the right-hand column, right below the Where, > Help&Directions, etc that says something like > > "New York City General Assembly: Working Groups, Minutes, and Official > Declarations." > > It would also make a lot of sense to set up Working Groups lists (e.g. > sept17-outreach@...) that can be easily accessed from the NYCGA web site. > > > On 10/8/11 12:27 PM, beka economopoulos wrote: >> >> *Where do we post minutes? *I know they go on this site: >> [Link] I think most people don't know about this website, I >> don't see it linked to from [Link], and don't see >> instructions on the [Link] site on where to email or post notes. >> * >> * >> *Is there a listserv for working group checkins and coordination, and >> mtg minutes? *Is this the one? Seems like list this is more for >> discussion rather than working business. Does it makes sense to have >> separate Sept17-discuss and Sept17-WG lists? >> >> Thanks, and apologies if this is the wrong forum. >> >> Best, >> >> Beka >> * >> * >> ->> New: >> [Link] >> >> >> >> Not An Alternative >> [Link] >> >> Fission Strategy >> [Link] >> / >> >> Phone: 917-202-5479 <[Link]

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>> Skype: bekamop >> Twitter: [Link] >> > >

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september17@[Link] on behalf of rob hollander september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Re: A friend of mine has a message for us. Responses? Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

He objects to a strawman OWS of his own creation, but there is a cogent warning within it: "the "Occupy" movement [will] lose its principles, because it is a movement of the modern left, if it seeks immediate change, it will have no choice but to work within the system of the Democratic party to cut their losses by having a say...". That may happen, but it doesn't have to happen. If a movement remains independent, it may not get a place at the table, but it can shift the places of those at the table. And since you usually have to sell out to get a place at the table, there's no reason for OWS not to remain independent, and watch while politics inclines towards its democratic voice. As for the rest, I think it's the fantasmagoria of the libertarian posse commitatus imagination "they have goals, those goals are economic, those goals are impossible, and the seek to carry out those goals using the coercive force of the state. In short, they intend to obtain weapons and behave irrationally." You can see what he's been watching. On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Lauren <celliwig@[Link]> wrote: "Stop living in the 60s"? Need to think of a better comeback but seriously, I'm not exactly positively inspired by the man to think this is entirely deserving of a serious response. The early analysis of the tea party I get with the Ronulans is entirely based on an idealized view of Ron Paul which has never been true in elections: the man has been consistently and constantly pandering to the religious right and southern racists, gets his endorsements from klansmen, etc. On Oct 10, 2:02 pm, hextic <willga...@[Link]> wrote: > [Link] > > Needless to say he's against us because he believes that we are just a > bunch of leftists who will bring him to a gulag. Responses?

-Rob Hollander Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development [Link] 622 E 11, #10
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september17@[Link] on behalf of diane sare september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] AM

It is not a stimulus at all, it is a slave labor plan, as I wrote earlier. It calls for having people collecting unemployment compensation work for corporations who pay NOTHING for their labor. ie The government is paying for free labor for corporations. This will not alleviate unemployment, but only encourage it. We need to pass Glass-Steagall in order to break up the banks, and have the legitimate savings and loan system be the means of distributing GOVERNMENT CREDIT for GREAT PROJECTS. Couldn't our nation use some water management?? NAWAPA is really the way to go and would employ 7-8 million people. (North American Water and Power Alliance, designed by Parsons Group-- the guys who did the Hoover Dam, had Kennedy not been assassinated we'd have it by now.) On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 5:29 PM, <jemcgloin@[Link]> wrote:
I hope the jobs act gets passed, but don't fool yourself that it is a massive stimulus. It is a puny stimulus. We should be demanding a multi trillion dollar jobs program, not begging for tax cuts for small business.

On 10/07/11, Charles<chcreinhardt@[Link]> wrote: I'm sorry for creating this massive thread, and I do apologize to those who, like myself, work day jobs and have caregiving duties. I just want to add something to the context of this discussion of potential intersections of the occupation with policy: Within the next few weeks or months, Greece is likely going to default on its debts, setting off a chain reaction and causing another round of global financial turmoil. Many people, like myself, may lose their jobs and the stakes will instantly be higher for this movement and for the country at large. The economy will need a massive injection of stimulus from the government to try to mitigate the damage. For this completely practical reason, I suggest that the movement takes another look at the American Jobs Act, and if not that, then larger stimulus and/or job programs that may be able to slightly alleviate Depressionlike conditions. On that topic, I like the idea that the movement sees itself in some way as a hub in a global support network or alternative economy, particularly in light of what looks to be around the corner. I hope I'm wrong! By the way, I will be hosting a little discussion of credit unions on October 15th at Zucotti Park at 6pm. It would be nice to meet some of you. Thanks everyone, and sorry again for the long-winded discussion. On Oct 7, 6:07 pm, David Graeber <da...@[Link]> wrote: > There's a big action at Occupy Austin today aiming to do just that. > David > > Sent from my Magic Brain > > On Oct 7, 2011, at 4:17 PM, jemcgl...@[Link] wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > We should probably be advocating a movement of bank accounts from banks to credit unions, and maybe trying to come up with a strategy for helping peole move from payday loans to credit unions. > > > On 10/07/11, Jon Good<therealjong...@[Link]> wrote: > > Charles says "By all means, let's not tie ourselves down too much. It's important to > > separate ourselves from the dominant narrative and build a counter> > narrative. However, we need *some* leverage in the public debate if > > we're going to gain momentum." > > > I'm in agreement with this, but I don't think the jobs bill is worth going after. The fruit may be low-hanging, but it's rotten to the core. > > > I'd really like to see something that drastically changes the face of what banks do. It would be awesome if we built viable alternatives to banks, or demanded a glass-stegall type act that also severely limited the size, where they could invest, and the number of clients they could have. Right now, banks are the only game in town for participating in the American economy (I know, I know, credit unions are out there, but they're too small and have membership restrictions); bank accounts are needed to get an apartment, health insurance, ecommerce, making large purchases like a vehicle or college tuition, etc. (Imagine how unlikely it is for someone to show up to a college administration building to pay their tuition with a briefcase full of cash). > > > Right now, banks do the opposite of their original intended function: instead of pooling everybody's money and reinvesting it in the community, banks now suck money and resources out of communities and channel them to the major fat cats. That's the reason there's no jobs. That the reason houses are being foreclosed. There's no resources left in our communities to do anything. This is what needs to stop. That's the sort of lowhanging fruit that is totally reachable and demandable to congress. > > > This has been my 3 AM rant. I recognize the privilege inherent in my assumption that everybody can even have a bank account to begin with, and that shit's even more difficult for people whose circumstances prevent them from the privilege of being cordially and genially fucked by banks, rather than the way marginalized communities are written off entirely because the banks there's not enough value to justify the operating expenses of getting their hooks into folks. > > > Solidarity, > > > Jon > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:23 PM, shaista husain <shaistahus...@[Link]> wrote: > > There was an article today in Nation Mag, by Allison Kilkenny ---who > > quoted Ayman El Sayed from the nurse's union stating that he would > > like to see a third party come out of this movement, outside the > > democratic and republican two party rule. > >[Link] > > (And there is so also much speculation that this movement might be a > > left wing split from democratic party, similar to how the Tea Party is > > a right wing split from Republicans--) > > Just curious what folks think of this in terms of building momentum > > ---towards 99 demands plus 1001 nights to forever change the nature of > > this political system--> > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 9:49 PM, <jemcgl...@[Link]> wrote:
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> > +1 > > On 10/06/11, Charles<chcreinha...@[Link]> wrote: > > Hey guys, > > Thanks for the responses. I understand that there are some serious > > issues with the AJA, including its formal endorsement of quasi> > internship programs, when those should be illegal. > > I also understand the desire not to play or overplay our hand, and > > hold off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The comparisons to the German unemployment or "short work" system does not render it disreputable in my eyes. Germany is not perfect, but there is an enviable level of worker control in German factories and great labor protections there, and adapting or experimenting with ideas from Northern Europe would probably be a good idea at this point. I think greater collaboration between the state and business to boost employment would be a wonderful thing, if the business class in North America weren't so nihilistic.

> > That said, I do understand that the business community in North > > America *is* nihilistic, and has utterly abandoned the entire concept > > of "home bias" that classical capitalists fantasized about . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I would remind you all of Alain Badiou's famous thesis about the three ways a revolution fails. The first is by being physically or effectively destroyed or foiled. The second is by co-opting or being co-opted by the agenda of the enemy, rendering itself pointless. I understand that all of us are extremely concerned about these first two possibilities. The third, however, is more pernicious: in an effort to avoid the first two forms of failure, the revolution retreats into "ultra-leftism" and becomes obsessed with purity. That can lead to nihilism. By all means, let's not tie ourselves down too much. It's important to separate ourselves from the dominant narrative and build a counternarrative. However, we need *some* leverage in the public debate if we're going to gain momentum. Personally, I think it would be great to say "We want this this and this, and we're not leaving. However, once we get those things, we're STILL not leaving because there's still so much to be done and we will continue forward."

> > Thanks for listening. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 6, 6:15 pm, jemcgl...@[Link] wrote: >> I am not against baby steps, but the fact that Obama's big selling poit on >> the jobs act started with the fact that Republicans have supported most of >> the provisions was a good clue of how effective it would be in creating >> jobs. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/06/11,Robert Christ<rj...@[Link]>wrote:The moment we endorse any politician, or any piece of legislation, the media will latch on to that as our one demand. At that point, they will have no need to cover us specifically, whatsoever, and can spend their time discrediting our movement by filming their talking heads "discussing" whatever or whomever we endorse. No Demands.

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No Endorsements. Not [Link] Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:01 PM, David DeGraw<Da...@[Link]>wrote:please, please do not endorse the Jobs Act. Highly problematic legislation. plus we cannot be seen as supporting Obama or partisan in any way, we facture the whole 99% concept in my opinion. the Press con Obama's is giving right now is the best one I seen in years. Lots of OWS questions. They asked why he never prosecuted WS execs. Lots of talk about the American people having every right to be pissed off. CONGRATS EVERYONE!!! WINNING! ;-) On 10/6/2011 11:56 AM,bf0...@[Link]:It strikes me as a heavy bastardization of German's unemployment system (and will be more bastardized once it reaches Obama to sign and finalize) Putting a small band-aid over a wound won't fix anything. We need real reform. On , Charles <chcreinha...@[Link]> wrote: > Hey guys,

> >> > A thought just occurred to me. I haven't heard much about this yet, > >> > but do you think that OWS might do itself a service by endorsing, at > >> > least as one of many goals, the passage of the American Jobs Act in > >> > its entirety, or even an expansion of its policies (and perhaps a > >> > reduction in the ratio of tax cuts composing it)? It has been accepted > >> > as a foregone conclusion by the entire American mainstream > >> > commentariat that Obama's jobs bill will be absolutely eviscerated or > >> > at least highly attenuated by the corrupt legislatures in this > >> > country. > >> > What if we tried to draw more attention to the legislative battle of > >> > the AJA as a pillar of our emerging program (in addition to legal and > >> > anti-trust action against the banks and tax reform, etc)? That way the > >> > movement can shed light on the very obstacles to the bill's passage or > >> > enhancement, which will serve to illuminate the architecture of > >> > corruption in our legislative process. That way, the bought off > >> > Democrats and Republicans can be named and shamed with the enhanced > >> > lens of this movement. Furthermore, the limited scope of the bill > >> > itself can serve as grounds for further criticism of the White House > >> > approach.

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> >> > I'm sure this has been suggested before, and I understand that there > >> > are caveats to our involvement in the political process but I want to > >> > know what the status of the current dialogue is about this course of > >> > action or line of thinking. > >> > Sincerely, > >> > Charles Reinhardt

-Diane Sare cell: 201-220-7731

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september17@[Link] on behalf of rob hollander september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] AM

Should a broad movement endorse specific bills?? If the movement is broad and popular, legislators will throng to cater to it. So there's no need for the movement to cater to the legislators -- that's the recipe for selling out, maybe an endpoint of the movement's process, not a good beginning. And if the bill is imperfect, it will compromise, divide and infect the movement. Raise the banner of jobs, and watch the politicians come to sell their measures to us. When they do, raise the defects of the bill. That's where the debate and the process should lead -- on our turf, not theirs. Not leading the sheep into their fold. On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 10:28 AM, diane sare <dwsare@[Link]> wrote: It is not a stimulus at all, it is a slave labor plan, as I wrote earlier. It calls for having people collecting unemployment compensation work for corporations who pay NOTHING for their labor. ie The government is paying for free labor for corporations. This will not alleviate unemployment, but only encourage it. We need to pass Glass-Steagall in order to break up the banks, and have the legitimate savings and loan system be the means of distributing GOVERNMENT CREDIT for GREAT PROJECTS. Couldn't our nation use some water management? ? NAWAPA is really the way to go and would employ 7-8 million people. (North American Water and Power Alliance, designed by Parsons Group-- the guys who did the Hoover Dam, had Kennedy not been assassinated we'd have it by now.) On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 5:29 PM, <jemcgloin@[Link]> wrote:
I hope the jobs act gets passed, but don't fool yourself that it is a massive stimulus. It is a puny stimulus. We should be demanding a multi trillion dollar jobs program, not begging for tax cuts for small business.

On 10/07/11, Charles<chcreinhardt@[Link]> wrote: I'm sorry for creating this massive thread, and I do apologize to those who, like myself, work day jobs and have caregiving duties. I just want to add something to the context of this discussion of potential intersections of the occupation with policy: Within the next few weeks or months, Greece is likely going to default on its debts, setting off a chain reaction and causing another round of global financial turmoil. Many people, like myself, may lose their jobs and the stakes will instantly be higher for this movement and for the country at large. The economy will need a massive injection of stimulus from the government to try to mitigate the damage. For this completely practical reason, I suggest that the movement takes another look at the American Jobs Act, and if not that, then larger stimulus and/or job programs that may be able to slightly alleviate Depressionlike conditions. On that topic, I like the idea that the movement sees itself in some way as a hub in a global support network or alternative economy, particularly in light of what looks to be around the corner.
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I hope I'm wrong! By the way, I will be hosting a little discussion of credit unions on October 15th at Zucotti Park at 6pm. It would be nice to meet some of you. Thanks everyone, and sorry again for the long-winded discussion. On Oct 7, 6:07 pm, David Graeber <da...@[Link]> wrote: > There's a big action at Occupy Austin today aiming to do just that. > David > > Sent from my Magic Brain > > On Oct 7, 2011, at 4:17 PM, jemcgl...@[Link] wrote: > > > > > > > > > We should probably be advocating a movement of bank accounts from banks to credit unions, and maybe trying to come up with a strategy for helping peole move from payday loans to credit unions. > > > On 10/07/11, Jon Good<therealjong...@[Link]> wrote: > > Charles says "By all means, let's not tie ourselves down too much. It's important to > > separate ourselves from the dominant narrative and build a counter> > narrative. However, we need *some* leverage in the public debate if > > we're going to gain momentum." > > > I'm in agreement with this, but I don't think the jobs bill is worth going after. The fruit may be lowhanging, but it's rotten to the core. > > > I'd really like to see something that drastically changes the face of what banks do. It would be awesome if we built viable alternatives to banks, or demanded a glass-stegall type act that also severely limited the size, where they could invest, and the number of clients they could have. Right now, banks are the only game in town for participating in the American economy (I know, I know, credit unions are out there, but they're too small and have membership restrictions); bank accounts are needed to get an apartment, health insurance, e-commerce, making large purchases like a vehicle or college tuition, etc. (Imagine how unlikely it is for someone to show up to a college administration building to pay their tuition with a briefcase full of cash). > > > Right now, banks do the opposite of their original intended function: instead of pooling everybody's money and reinvesting it in the community, banks now suck money and resources out of communities and channel them to the major fat cats. That's the reason there's no jobs. That the reason houses are being foreclosed. There's no resources left in our communities to do anything. This is what needs to stop. That's the sort of low-hanging fruit that is totally reachable and demandable to congress. > > > This has been my 3 AM rant. I recognize the privilege inherent in my assumption that everybody can even have a bank account to begin with, and that shit's even more difficult for people whose circumstances prevent them from the privilege of being cordially and genially fucked by banks, rather than the way marginalized communities are written off entirely because the banks there's not enough value to justify the operating expenses of getting their hooks into folks. > > > Solidarity, >
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> Jon > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:23 PM, shaista husain <shaistahus...@[Link]> wrote: > There was an article today in Nation Mag, by Allison Kilkenny ---who > quoted Ayman El Sayed from the nurse's union stating that he would > like to see a third party come out of this movement, outside the > democratic and republican two party rule. >[Link] > (And there is so also much speculation that this movement might be a > left wing split from democratic party, similar to how the Tea Party is > a right wing split from Republicans--) > Just curious what folks think of this in terms of building momentum > ---towards 99 demands plus 1001 nights to forever change the nature of > this political system--> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 9:49 PM, <jemcgl...@[Link]> wrote: > > +1 > > On 10/06/11, Charles<chcreinha...@[Link]> wrote: > > Hey guys, > > Thanks for the responses. I understand that there are some serious > > issues with the AJA, including its formal endorsement of quasi> > internship programs, when those should be illegal. > > I also understand the desire not to play or overplay our hand, and > > hold off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The comparisons to the German unemployment or "short work" system does not render it disreputable in my eyes. Germany is not perfect, but there is an enviable level of worker control in German factories and great labor protections there, and adapting or experimenting with ideas from Northern Europe would probably be a good idea at this point. I think greater collaboration between the state and business to boost employment would be a wonderful thing, if the business class in North America weren't so nihilistic.

> > That said, I do understand that the business community in North > > America *is* nihilistic, and has utterly abandoned the entire concept > > of "home bias" that classical capitalists fantasized about . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I would remind you all of Alain Badiou's famous thesis about the three ways a revolution fails. The first is by being physically or effectively destroyed or foiled. The second is by co-opting or being co-opted by the agenda of the enemy, rendering itself pointless. I understand that all of us are extremely concerned about these first two possibilities. The third, however, is more pernicious: in an effort to avoid the first two forms of failure, the revolution retreats into "ultra-leftism" and becomes obsessed with purity. That can lead to nihilism. By all means, let's not tie ourselves down too much. It's important to separate ourselves from the dominant narrative and build a counternarrative. However, we need *some* leverage in the public debate if we're going to gain momentum. Personally, I think it would be great to say "We want this this and this, and we're not leaving. However, once we get those things, we're STILL not leaving because there's still so

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> > much to be done and we will continue forward." > > Thanks for listening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 6, 6:15 pm, jemcgl...@[Link] wrote: >> I am not against baby steps, but the fact that Obama's big selling poit on >> the jobs act started with the fact that Republicans have supported most of >> the provisions was a good clue of how effective it would be in creating >> jobs. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/06/11,Robert Christ<rj...@[Link]>wrote:The moment we endorse any politician, or any piece of legislation, the media will latch on to that as our one demand. At that point, they will have no need to cover us specifically, whatsoever, and can spend their time discrediting our movement by filming their talking heads "discussing" whatever or whomever we endorse. No Demands. No Endorsements. Not [Link] Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:01 PM, David DeGraw<Da...@[Link]>wrote:please, please do not endorse the Jobs Act. Highly problematic legislation. plus we cannot be seen as supporting Obama or partisan in any way, we facture the whole 99% concept in my opinion. the Press con Obama's is giving right now is the best one I seen in years. Lots of OWS questions. They asked why he never prosecuted WS execs. Lots of talk about the American people having every right to be pissed off. CONGRATS EVERYONE!!! WINNING! ;-) On 10/6/2011 11:56 AM,bf0...@[Link]:It strikes me as a heavy bastardization of German's unemployment system (and will be more bastardized once it reaches Obama to sign and finalize) Putting a small band-aid over a wound won't fix anything. We need real reform. On , Charles <chcreinha...@[Link]> wrote: > Hey guys,

> >> > A thought just occurred to me. I haven't heard much about this yet, > >> > but do you think that OWS might do itself a service by endorsing, at > >> > least as one of many goals, the passage of the American Jobs Act in > >> > its entirety, or even an expansion of its policies (and perhaps a > >> > reduction in the ratio of tax cuts composing it)? It has been accepted > >> > as a foregone conclusion by the entire American mainstream > >> > commentariat that Obama's jobs bill will be absolutely eviscerated or > >> > at least highly attenuated by the corrupt legislatures in this > >> > country. > >> > What if we tried to draw more attention to the legislative battle of > >> > the AJA as a pillar of our emerging program (in addition to legal and

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >> > anti-trust action against the banks and tax reform, etc)? That way the > >> > movement can shed light on the very obstacles to the bill's passage or > >> > enhancement, which will serve to illuminate the architecture of > >> > corruption in our legislative process. That way, the bought off > >> > Democrats and Republicans can be named and shamed with the enhanced > >> > lens of this movement. Furthermore, the limited scope of the bill > >> > itself can serve as grounds for further criticism of the White House > >> > approach. > >> > I'm sure this has been suggested before, and I understand that there > >> > are caveats to our involvement in the political process but I want to > >> > know what the status of the current dialogue is about this course of > >> > action or line of thinking. > >> > Sincerely, > >> > Charles Reinhardt

-Diane Sare cell: 201-220-7731

-Rob Hollander Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development [Link] 622 E 11, #10 NYC, 10009 212-228-6152

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Charles Lenchner september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Re: Democratic Party"s Attempted Co-Option of OWS Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

I meant these folks: [Link] I've seen their signs a few times at Zuccotti/Foley. Charles On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Richard S. <chardsinger@[Link]> wrote: >and let's not forget the dastardly 'Committee for a Worker's Revolution.' What on Earth is the Committee for a Worker's Revolution? Do you have a link for any group with that name? On Oct 10, 1:32 pm, Charles Lenchner <clench...@[Link]> wrote: > 1. the notion that the Democratic Party campaigns in a coordinated fashion > is kind of silly. > 2. if you want to officially distance yourself from any and all movements > that have adherents on Zuccotti Park, you'll get in trouble for missing one > or the other. In addition to not being coopted by the two party oligarchy, > let's also pledge not to be coopted by the Workers World Party, > International Socialist Organization, Ron Paul's Love-o-lution, and let's > not forget the dastardly 'Committee for a Worker's Revolution.' I for one, > will not stand to be coopted by any of these forces, and their omission from > this statement opens the door to further coopting. > 3. I thought Andrew Boyd invented the 98% meme in 2010, only to watch it be > COOPTED by the 99%.But such is political life. > 4. Surely the best way to advance the meme that OWS is the Dem tea party is > to feed it with attention. In fact, the Job Party and the Coffee Party and > the Green Tea Party are the Dem Tea Parties. Not OWS. > > Written with love and good humor! > > Charles > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 1:06 PM, <jemcgl...@[Link]> wrote: > > I like it. I think you should try to get it passed at the GA so it can be > > official. > > > John >
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> > On 10/10/11, David DeGraw<Da...@[Link]> wrote: > > i'm sure most of us will agree with the statements the DCCC is makingon > > behalf of the OWS 99% movement in this online campaign, and it'snice to have > > support, BUT, imo Democratic Party campaigns like this arevery dangerous to > > our long term growth: > > > See this:[Link] > > > The corporate media is already building a solid narrative labelling usas > > the Democrat's Tea Party. While some people may not mind thatlabel, this is > > a divide and conquer propaganda strategy that we mustavoid. Some people say > > that our movement is so diverse that we don'thave to worry about co-option, > > and there is solid evidence that thismay be true - certainly hope it is. > > However, as someone who hasintensively studied propaganda and psychological > > operations, and hasalso invented the 99% meme, i am incredibly sensitive to > > divide andconquer propa issues. I worked with over 20 people in coming up > > withthis statement proposal, please consider it: > > > ***Welcometo the #OWS 99% Movement We Will NOT Be Co-Opted Working Group<[Link] > > >[Link] > >>*

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september17@[Link] on behalf of jerome september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Re: Greetings from Berlin Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

i think you forgot that this movement is non violent and the only fights that are allowed are fights on ideas. so i think that if you acknoledge that ,it solves your problem with Larouche. And before taking sladers without proofs, you should find quotes, without taking them out of context, that explicitly show why you think he is a fascist.(or if you find it not rational, you can say why also) From my stand point, you can name a lot of people fascist hitler, Mussolini,Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot, Pinochet. Why? because they commited genocides. And a common thing that unites the reason why they did that is very well summed up in this sentence: "You and your master can only be trusted at gunpoint." Real Democracy is not Fascism. So i think you should understand others. Not communicate with anger and violence. We should not exclude any one, it's a citizen movement.

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september17@[Link] on behalf of acpollack2@[Link] september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Re: Greetings from Berlin Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

you were obviously thinking of Irma Vep :)

---------- Original Message ---------From: Lauren <celliwig@[Link]> To: september17 <september17@[Link]> Subject: [september17discuss] Re: Greetings from Berlin Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 [Link] -0700 (PDT) My bad, his second wife is named Helga Zepp, not Irma as I remembered.

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september17@[Link] on behalf of gail zawacki september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Re: Sustainability Committee, CALL TO OTHER COMMITTEES! Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] PM

I will be there this weekend, if anyone interested in this topic wants to meet, please let me know! witsendnj at yahoo etc On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:46 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: Hi Lauren and Gail and Keegan, i was looking for the sustainability meeting today at 5:30 under the cube, but couldn't find it, i understand its not a working group so the info desk didn't have accurate info--they said it was an open forum teach in--anyway, perhaps you can email more info on it, i would love to know what was discussed. thanks so much, shaista On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Lauren Minis <[Link]@[Link]> wrote: > The only reason I am having the meeting there was due to frustrations > around setting a meeting time for the first meeting and finding there > was, what seemed to be, an unscheduled teach-in start there at the > same time I made my first call out to people to hold the meeting there > (under the red tripod) and I didnt know where to get the most accurate > updates about when and where meetings were. i am more informed now but > thanks for raising that concern and we can talk about it at the > meeting. As for single-use plastics, recycling and resource management > is an issue of concern and will def be an item we discuss. Come to the > meeting! :) > > ~Lauren > > On Oct 10, 3:25 pm, gail zawacki <witsen...@[Link]> wrote: >> Can anyone tell me what if anything is being done to minimize use of >> single-use plastic containers/water bottles? I would like to rebut a snarky >> comment I received about it, but don't know if I can!On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 2:29 PM, keegan <alas...@[Link]> wrote: >> > Hey all, >> > The sustainability committee is meeting tomorrow at 5:30pm at the red >> > cube. We would love for people from other committees to join us >> > because one of our primary goals is to link groups together who are >> > implementing sustainable practices. For example, some groups are using >> > alternative energy sources, while others are still using gas >> > generators. Making our movement sustainable is crucial to the >> > sustainability of our movement. >> >> > I will request that our first point of discussion be moving the >> > meeting back into the plaza, per Justin's request, but we've done a >> > lot of outreach based on the Red Cube meet-up already, so I don't want >> > to change that now. >> >> > Cheers. >> > Keegan >> > Time's Up!
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september17@[Link] on behalf of shaista husain september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Re: Sustainability Committee, CALL TO OTHER COMMITTEES! Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] PM

YES!!! can we have evening meeting after 8pm, or weekends please--i had a meeting with dave and bugz stef k who are working in the hospital and we want to link up with all the sustainability efforts before winter arrives... let's set the meeting for this weekend... On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:15 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@[Link]> wrote: > I will be there this weekend, if anyone interested in this topic wants to > meet, please let me know! witsendnj at yahoo etc > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:46 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@[Link]> > wrote: >> >> Hi Lauren and Gail and Keegan, i was looking for the sustainability >> meeting today at 5:30 under the cube, but couldn't find it, i >> understand its not a working group so the info desk didn't have >> accurate info--they said it was an open forum teach in--anyway, >> perhaps you can email more info on it, i would love to know what was >> discussed. thanks so much, shaista >> >> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Lauren Minis <[Link]@[Link]> >> wrote: >> > The only reason I am having the meeting there was due to frustrations >> > around setting a meeting time for the first meeting and finding there >> > was, what seemed to be, an unscheduled teach-in start there at the >> > same time I made my first call out to people to hold the meeting there >> > (under the red tripod) and I didnt know where to get the most accurate >> > updates about when and where meetings were. i am more informed now but >> > thanks for raising that concern and we can talk about it at the >> > meeting. As for single-use plastics, recycling and resource management >> > is an issue of concern and will def be an item we discuss. Come to the >> > meeting! :) >> > >> > ~Lauren >> > >> > On Oct 10, 3:25 pm, gail zawacki <witsen...@[Link]> wrote: >> >> Can anyone tell me what if anything is being done to minimize use of >> >> single-use plastic containers/water bottles? I would like to rebut a >> >> snarky >> >> comment I received about it, but don't know if I can!On Mon, Oct 10, >> >> 2011 at 2:29 PM, keegan <alas...@[Link]> wrote: >> >> > Hey all, >> >> > The sustainability committee is meeting tomorrow at 5:30pm at the red >> >> > cube. We would love for people from other committees to join us >> >> > because one of our primary goals is to link groups together who are >> >> > implementing sustainable practices. For example, some groups are >> >> > using >> >> > alternative energy sources, while others are still using gas >> >> > generators. Making our movement sustainable is crucial to the >> >> > sustainability of our movement. >> >> >> >> > I will request that our first point of discussion be moving the >> >> > meeting back into the plaza, per Justin's request, but we've done a >> >> > lot of outreach based on the Red Cube meet-up already, so I don't

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>> >> >> >> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >> >> >>

> want > to change that now. > Cheers. > Keegan > Time's Up!

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september17@[Link] on behalf of shaista husain september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Re: Sustainability Committee, CALL TO OTHER COMMITTEES! Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] PM

Hi Lauren and Gail and Keegan, i was looking for the sustainability meeting today at 5:30 under the cube, but couldn't find it, i understand its not a working group so the info desk didn't have accurate info--they said it was an open forum teach in--anyway, perhaps you can email more info on it, i would love to know what was discussed. thanks so much, shaista On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Lauren Minis <[Link]@[Link]> wrote: > The only reason I am having the meeting there was due to frustrations > around setting a meeting time for the first meeting and finding there > was, what seemed to be, an unscheduled teach-in start there at the > same time I made my first call out to people to hold the meeting there > (under the red tripod) and I didnt know where to get the most accurate > updates about when and where meetings were. i am more informed now but > thanks for raising that concern and we can talk about it at the > meeting. As for single-use plastics, recycling and resource management > is an issue of concern and will def be an item we discuss. Come to the > meeting! :) > > ~Lauren > > On Oct 10, 3:25 pm, gail zawacki <witsen...@[Link]> wrote: >> Can anyone tell me what if anything is being done to minimize use of >> single-use plastic containers/water bottles? I would like to rebut a snarky >> comment I received about it, but don't know if I can!On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 2:29 PM, keegan <alas...@[Link]> wrote: >> > Hey all, >> > The sustainability committee is meeting tomorrow at 5:30pm at the red >> > cube. We would love for people from other committees to join us >> > because one of our primary goals is to link groups together who are >> > implementing sustainable practices. For example, some groups are using >> > alternative energy sources, while others are still using gas >> > generators. Making our movement sustainable is crucial to the >> > sustainability of our movement. >> >> > I will request that our first point of discussion be moving the >> > meeting back into the plaza, per Justin's request, but we've done a >> > lot of outreach based on the Red Cube meet-up already, so I don't want >> > to change that now. >> >> > Cheers. >> > Keegan >> > Time's Up!

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Re: the next phase Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] AM

yes! the movement spreads like a virus, Zucotti is just one more place... On Oct 11, 2011, at 12:32 AM, Lycophidion wrote: > Very important to distinguish between the *occupation* and the > *movement*. The two are not identical. The occupation at Liberty Park > could end at some point, but I believe a tipping point has been > reached in the birth of a movement, a collective will to resist and > oppose corporate America's "one-sided class war." At this point, there > is perhaps still an umbilical cord.... > > If the occupation does end (and I don't see that happening anytime > soon), it must be on our terms and under our control. > > The movement is beginning to or will begin to develop its own dynamic, > apart from physical occupations of terrain, although that continues to > be an effective strategy. > > m. > > > > On Oct 10, 7:38 pm, beka economopoulos <b...@[Link]> > wrote: >> Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park indefinitely:[Link] >> >> And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. >> >> Just yesterday Zizek warned The only thing Im afraid of is that we will >> someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and >> nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves >> that this will not be the case. >>

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september17@[Link] on behalf of shaista husain september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Re: Thoughts on increasing participation of People of Color Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] AM

you can email this group at [Link]@[Link] On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 8:11 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: > hey i am working with that group. its a big group just forming now, so > there are many many people involved already. > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Ryan Green <ryangreenish@[Link]> wrote: >> OK. I'm with the information Booth. Trying to get a grasp of who is >> working with what group >> >> sent from my kikiPCS* phone >> >> On Oct 8, 2011 3:53 PM, "Lycophidion" <lycophidion@[Link]> wrote: >>> >>> No, labor. >>> >>> On Oct 8, 2:54 pm, Ryan Green <ryangreen...@[Link]> wrote: >>> > Great email. Are you on the poc working group? >>> > >> >

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Ryan Green september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Re: Thoughts on increasing participation of People of Color Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] PM

Thanks! On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:39 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: you can email this group at [Link]@[Link] On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 8:11 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@[Link]> wrote: > hey i am working with that group. its a big group just forming now, so > there are many many people involved already. > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Ryan Green <ryangreenish@[Link]> wrote: >> OK. I'm with the information Booth. Trying to get a grasp of who is >> working with what group >> >> sent from my kikiPCS* phone >> >> On Oct 8, 2011 3:53 PM, "Lycophidion" <lycophidion@[Link]> wrote: >>> >>> No, labor. >>> >>> On Oct 8, 2:54 pm, Ryan Green <ryangreen...@[Link]> wrote: >>> > Great email. Are you on the poc working group? >>> > >> >

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Dale Luce september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Solidarity with Indigenous Peoples Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] PM

Thats excellent! Maybe occupy wall street should consider following suite? On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Antonio Serna <antonio@[Link]> wrote: @occupywallstreet, what's the hold up? ---Occupy Boston Ratifies Memorandum of Solidarity with Indigenous Peoples Posted on October 8, 2011 by nadeemtron [Link] The following resolution was passed by the Occupy Boston General Assembly on October 8th, 2011: RESOLUTION: Memorandum of Solidarity with Indigenous Peoples WHEREAS, those participating in Occupy Boston acknowledge that the United States of America is a colonial country, and that we are guests upon stolen indigenous land that has already been occupied for centuries, Boston being the ancestral land of the Massachusett people; and WHEREAS, members of the First Nations have continued to resist the violent oppression and exploitation of the colonizers since they first arrived on this continent, and as a result have a great amount of experience that could strengthen this movement; and WHEREAS, after centuries of disregard for the welfare of future generations, and the consistent disrespect and exploitation of the Earth, we find ourselves on a polluted and disturbed planet, lacking the wisdom to live sustainably at peace with the community of Life; therefore be it RESOLVED, That we seek the involvement of the First Nations in the rebuilding of a new society on their ancestral land; and As a signal to the national Occupy movement and to members of First Nations who have felt excluded by the colonialist language used to name this movement, it shall be declared that Occupy Boston aspires to Decolonize Boston with the guidance and participation of First Nations Peoples; and Extending an open hand of humility and friendship, we hereby invite members of the First Nations to join us in this popular uprising now taking place across this continent. We wish to further the process of healing and reconciliation and implore Indigenous Peoples to share their wisdom and guidance, as they see fit, so as to help us restore true freedom and democracy and initiate a new era of peace and cooperation that will work for everyone, including the Earth and the original
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inhabitants of this land; and We hereby declare that Columbus Day should be referred to as Indigenous Peoples Day.

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Winter Siroco september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Solidarity with Indigenous Peoples Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] AM

Two events today, spread the word:

Kids Speak Out at Occupy Wall Street on Un-Columbus Day When Where Mon, October 10, 12pm 1pm Zuccoti Park (Liberty Square), New York, NY (map)

Description Kids speak out @Occupy Wall Street When: Monday, Oct. 10 at noon sharp Where: Liberty Plaza/Zuccotti Park Who should come? Kids and their parents of the 99% who want to make a difference Last week four mothers from Central Park East II Elementary School in East Harlem began chatting about taking our kids to Occupy Wall Street to witness democracy in action first hand. Our school motto is Making a Difference, so we decided to help our kids do just that. Why bring kids to Occupy Wall Street? Our children are the 99%. Even as banks got bailed out, American children have witnessed their parents get tossed out of their homes and lose their jobs. Public school kids have lost arts, music and physical education. Many don't have appropriate healthcare. We can't be afraid to discuss these issues with our kids. The longer we stay silent about these problems, the longer they will persist. Now our kids can see activists take these issues to the streets in a democratic forum at Occupy Wall Street. Why call it Un-Columbus Day? We believe kids should be in school on October 10 -- not celebrating the life of Christopher Columbus, who ultimately got lost on his way to India and ended up opening the gates of colonization in the North America forever. What is the 99% School? The 99% School page is here to represent the children whose voices are too often disregarded. Surprising to many, our kids are deeper and smarter than the grown-ups who have somehow managed to mess this world up. Let their voices and thoughts be heard!!! Meet us at the Liberty St. side of Zuccotti Park/Liberty Plaza at noon. Contacts: Jeannie Lee, Rivka Gewirtz Little The99percentschool@[Link] On Facebook: The 99% School 646-319-2466 more details copy to my calenda

IN SOLIDARITY WITH THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE Celebrating Genocide in America: Columbus Day and Indigenous People Monday, October 10 at 5 pm Location: Southeast Corner of Liberty Plaza
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(Underneath big red sculpture) Native Peoples of the America Address the Wall Street Protesters

On Monday October 10th, members of the indigenous community from Owe Aku International Justice Project, First Voice Indigenous Radio, and the United Confederation of the Taino people will bring their voices to Occupy Wall Street and remind us to rethink Columbus day. They will also address how corporate greed and indigenous history have for hundreds of years been an integral part of the indigenous struggle to maintain a way of life, maintain Indigenous territories, and fulfill Indigneous responsibilities to the environment for future generations.

"Corporate greed is the driving factor for the global oppression and suffering of Indigenous populations. It is the driving factor for the conquest and continued suffering for the Indigenous peoples on this continent. The effects of greed eventually spills over and negatively impacts all peoples, everywhere. Indigenous peoples feel the pain first, but it eventually reaches all people. Understand our suffering to understand yours."

Rosalie Little Thunder. (Sicangu Lakota, Owe Aku International Justice Project, a Lakota grass-roots human rights organization based on Lakota territories on the High Plains of North American and, internationally, in New York City).

Indigenous peoples and supporters seek the formal revocation of the 1493 [command] by the Vatican to Christopher Columbus on his second voyage to the 'new world. Along with the 1494 Treaty of Todesillas, both decrees seek to establish domination world-wide and call for subjugation of non-Christian peoples and seizure (occupation) of our lands.

An estimated 100 million Indigenous peoples were eradicated during the process of Europe's colonization of the western hemisphere.

The Inter Caetera is the foundation of the international system we live under today and directly related to the corporate-state-military occupation and rape of Mother Earth. Tiokasin Ghost Horse, Host of First Voices Indigenous Radio on WBAI.

Broadway & Cedar St. nr. Liberty St., at SE corner of Liberty Plaza/Zucotti Park; TRANSIT: #4, 5 to Wall St. (north exits) or to Fulton; R (not N) to Rector St. (at Trinity Pl.) or to Cortlandt St. (at Church St.: both platforms now open); A, C to Broadway-Nassau (at Fulton); J to Fulton (at Nassau); #1 to Rector (at Greenwich); Broadway bus; Varick St. bus; Water St.

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On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Dale Luce <daleluce87@[Link]> wrote: Thats excellent! Maybe occupy wall street should consider following suite? On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Antonio Serna <antonio@[Link]> wrote: @occupywallstreet, what's the hold up? ---Occupy Boston Ratifies Memorandum of Solidarity with Indigenous Peoples Posted on October 8, 2011 by nadeemtron [Link] The following resolution was passed by the Occupy Boston General Assembly on October 8th, 2011: RESOLUTION: Memorandum of Solidarity with Indigenous Peoples WHEREAS, those participating in Occupy Boston acknowledge that the United States of America is a colonial country, and that we are guests upon stolen indigenous land that has already been occupied for centuries, Boston being the ancestral land of the Massachusett people; and WHEREAS, members of the First Nations have continued to resist the violent oppression and exploitation of the colonizers since they first arrived on this continent, and as a result have a great amount of experience that could strengthen this movement; and WHEREAS, after centuries of disregard for the welfare of future generations, and the consistent disrespect and exploitation of the Earth, we find ourselves on a polluted and disturbed planet, lacking the wisdom to live sustainably at peace with the community of Life; therefore be it RESOLVED, That we seek the involvement of the First Nations in the rebuilding of a new society on their ancestral land; and As a signal to the national Occupy movement and to members of First Nations who have felt excluded by the colonialist language used to name this movement, it shall be declared that Occupy Boston aspires to Decolonize Boston with the guidance and participation of First Nations Peoples; and Extending an open hand of humility and friendship, we hereby invite members of the First Nations to join us in this popular uprising now taking place across this continent. We wish to further the process of healing and reconciliation and implore Indigenous Peoples to share their wisdom and guidance, as they see fit, so as to help us restore true freedom and democracy and initiate a new era of
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peace and cooperation that will work for everyone, including the Earth and the original inhabitants of this land; and We hereby declare that Columbus Day should be referred to as Indigenous Peoples Day.

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september17@[Link] on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Speaker Suggestion Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] PM

maybe someone at cuny? marina, you're affiliated with cuny right? i wrote to his cuny email and he got back pretty quickly, two weeks ago. nico On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Marina Sitrin <[Link]@[Link]> wrote: > He will be back in the US around the 9th of November for a week > maybe we can get him around that time. I am sure he would love to. > Does anyone else have direct contact? If not, I am happy to write to > him. > > Marina > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:44 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen > <allenicolas@[Link]> wrote: >> he's on sabbatical, not in the country. good idea though! >> > > > > -> Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che >

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Marina Sitrin september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Speaker Suggestion Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] PM

He will be back in the US around the 9th of November for a week maybe we can get him around that time. I am sure he would love to. Does anyone else have direct contact? If not, I am happy to write to him. Marina On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:44 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@[Link]> wrote: > he's on sabbatical, not in the country. good idea though! >

-Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che

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september17@[Link] on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Speaker Suggestion Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] PM

he's on sabbatical, not in the country. good idea though!

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Aaron Gemmill september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Speaker Suggestion Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] PM

that would be fantastic On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:19 PM, <guindave@[Link]> wrote: David Harvery [Link]

-[Link] [Link] [Link] [Link]

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Marina Sitrin september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Speaker Suggestion Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] PM

I am. The Committee on Globalization and Social Change that I am a part of is something that David founded, only he is away most of this year. But yes, I could also get in touch with him and see if he can do something when he is back in November for a visit. M. On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:53 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@[Link]> wrote: > maybe someone at cuny? marina, you're affiliated with cuny right? i > wrote to his cuny email and he got back pretty quickly, two weeks ago. > > nico > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Marina Sitrin <[Link]@[Link]> wrote: >> He will be back in the US around the 9th of November for a week >> maybe we can get him around that time. I am sure he would love to. >> Does anyone else have direct contact? If not, I am happy to write to >> him. >> >> Marina >> >> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:44 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen >> <allenicolas@[Link]> wrote: >>> he's on sabbatical, not in the country. good idea though! >>> >> >> >> >> ->> Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che >> >

-Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che

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september17@[Link] on behalf of J.A. Myerson september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Starting to think about occupying the winter Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] PM

Yup. On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 10:23 PM, <jemcgloin@[Link]> wrote:

Doing a little research about staying warm when it gets really cold. Check out this page: [Link] It may be worth it to take a piece of our budget and make sure we can keep apresence on the ground throught the winter.

-J.A. Myerson [Link] 347.688.0241

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Babak K september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Sunday Open Forum: 12pm Zizek, 1pm PARECON, 2pm Dom Workers Alliance, 3pm Prison Ind. Complex, 4pm NY TWA, 5pm Oaxaca, 6pm Movement for Justice in El Barrio Sunday, October 09, 2011 [Link] AM

yes, 12 pm On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Siddattha Gurung <gurus655@[Link]> wrote: is zizek coming to liberty plaza...... On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@[Link]> wrote: posted. 2011/10/8 Babak K <bkarimi17@[Link]>
tomorrow Open Forum teachins @occupywallstreet: Slavoj Zizek 12pm Participatory Economics 1pm Update on the domestic workers alliance movement 2pm Mass Incarceration and the Other 1% 3pm NY Taxi Workers Alliance Speakout 4pm Updates from the Oaxaca Struggle 5pm Movement for Justice in El Barrio 6pm

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september17@[Link] on behalf of gail zawacki september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] Sustainability Committee, CALL TO OTHER COMMITTEES! Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

Can anyone tell me what if anything is being done to minimize use of single-use plastic containers/water bottles? I would like to rebut a snarky comment I received about it, but don't know if I can! On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 2:29 PM, keegan <alaskak@[Link]> wrote: Hey all, The sustainability committee is meeting tomorrow at 5:30pm at the red cube. We would love for people from other committees to join us because one of our primary goals is to link groups together who are implementing sustainable practices. For example, some groups are using alternative energy sources, while others are still using gas generators. Making our movement sustainable is crucial to the sustainability of our movement. I will request that our first point of discussion be moving the meeting back into the plaza, per Justin's request, but we've done a lot of outreach based on the Red Cube meet-up already, so I don't want to change that now. Cheers. Keegan Time's Up!

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september17@[Link] on behalf of David DeGraw september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] the next phase OccupyBronx Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] AM

think we need to go into a deeply impoverished area in the Bronx. The bronx has the highest poverty rate in NYC, about 30%. we go there, the media comes with us. forces coverage, major spark OccupyBronx On 10/11/2011 8:02 AM, Carwil Bjork-James wrote: > A couple thoughts on next steps: > > 1. A twin space, soon. Zuccotti Park is just plain crowded, and > doesn't have a ton of room for new campers. A second, stable-ish, > perhaps POPS, location in Lower Manhattan could provide additional > room for people to be near Wall Street. This would facilitate mass > actions in the financial district while growing the movement. > > 2. Mass actions in the financial district. Use your own imagination. > > 3. Holding a space that is more a place of gathering than a launchpad > for confrontation. Weekly (for now) use of Washington Square could > build to that. So could some kind of plaza occupation across Brooklyn, > Harlem, Washington Heights, and the rest of the outer boroughs. It's > yet to be seen how intense the police response will be in such places. > In all cases, an easy flow between regular events, continuous > presence, and full-on occupation and transformation can be played > with. > > 3a. At some point, one location will be the first public park (as > opposed to POPS) to be held. We should focus as much OWS energy as > possible on maintaining it and setting the kind of "new normal" Beka > is talking about. My guess is the first possibility will take the form > of #3, not the form of #1, but I'd love to be surprised at Battery > Park or Foley Square. > > 4. The constant circulation of people through Zuccotti is accumulating > projects (greywater, printing, a spiritual gathering place). I'd love > to see this also happening in a permanently held place: a warehouse, > public space of a park, a student center, a union hall, etc. As winter > comes, the need for physically warm spaces shouldn't mean a retreat to > less space transformation, but to the hive-for-occupation conversion > of friendly or occupied buildings. > > 4a. For those of us with access to buildings, but not control over > them (I'm thinking universities for the moment), we can start by > turning these places into hives of activity for occupiers and only > later initiate formal occupations. I'm thinking about numerous ongoing > "conferences" that actually have "workshops" that do work for the > movement: printing, designing, building, training, and by-the-by > keeping people warm. As always, a critical mass at such a place could > hope to hold the building. But the priority (from my perspective) is > not to make demands with a closed occupation, but to do collective > work with an open one. > > 5. Assuming a critical mass and a regional convergence on NYC, > occupying symbolically powerful public spaces. Do people know that

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> 1,000+ artists occupied the Met during the 1970 "student" strike > against the invasion of Cambodia? Federal Hall, the site of the first > US Congress is on Wall Street. Wall Street itself. Downtown. Midtown. > > Just some thoughts, > Carwil > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos > <beka@[Link]> wrote: > >> Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park >> indefinitely: [Link] >> And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. >> Just yesterday Zizek warned The only thing Im afraid of is that we will >> someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and >> nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves >> that this will not be the case. >> Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this for the >> long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to make >> us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer an >> uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and >> integrated. >> It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open the space >> of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize but >> maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we do >> it again, we push further. >> That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the >> game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible about ways >> to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October 15. And >> that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead the way. >> xob >> >> ->> New: [Link] >> Not An Alternative >> [Link] >> >> > > >

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september17@[Link] on behalf of grimwomyn september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] the next phase OccupyBronx Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] PM

yeah-- as a new yorker, they want us all in the ghetto so we are out of sight and out of mind culturally it is important to be on the upper east side. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@[Link]> wrote: > See I kind of think we should go the other direction; be where the money > is. That being, of course, Midtown or the Upper East Side. > --glj > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:55 AM, David DeGraw <David@[Link]> > wrote: >> >> think we need to go into a deeply impoverished area in the Bronx. The >> bronx has the highest poverty rate in NYC, about 30%. we go there, the >> media comes with us. forces coverage, major spark OccupyBronx >> >> >> On 10/11/2011 8:02 AM, Carwil Bjork-James wrote: >>> >>> A couple thoughts on next steps: >>> >>> 1. A twin space, soon. Zuccotti Park is just plain crowded, and >>> doesn't have a ton of room for new campers. A second, stable-ish, >>> perhaps POPS, location in Lower Manhattan could provide additional >>> room for people to be near Wall Street. This would facilitate mass >>> actions in the financial district while growing the movement. >>> >>> 2. Mass actions in the financial district. Use your own imagination. >>> >>> 3. Holding a space that is more a place of gathering than a launchpad >>> for confrontation. Weekly (for now) use of Washington Square could >>> build to that. So could some kind of plaza occupation across Brooklyn, >>> Harlem, Washington Heights, and the rest of the outer boroughs. It's >>> yet to be seen how intense the police response will be in such places. >>> In all cases, an easy flow between regular events, continuous >>> presence, and full-on occupation and transformation can be played >>> with. >>> >>> 3a. At some point, one location will be the first public park (as >>> opposed to POPS) to be held. We should focus as much OWS energy as >>> possible on maintaining it and setting the kind of "new normal" Beka >>> is talking about. My guess is the first possibility will take the form >>> of #3, not the form of #1, but I'd love to be surprised at Battery >>> Park or Foley Square. >>> >>> 4. The constant circulation of people through Zuccotti is accumulating >>> projects (greywater, printing, a spiritual gathering place). I'd love >>> to see this also happening in a permanently held place: a warehouse, >>> public space of a park, a student center, a union hall, etc. As winter >>> comes, the need for physically warm spaces shouldn't mean a retreat to >>> less space transformation, but to the hive-for-occupation conversion >>> of friendly or occupied buildings. >>>

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>>> 4a. For those of us with access to buildings, but not control over >>> them (I'm thinking universities for the moment), we can start by >>> turning these places into hives of activity for occupiers and only >>> later initiate formal occupations. I'm thinking about numerous ongoing >>> "conferences" that actually have "workshops" that do work for the >>> movement: printing, designing, building, training, and by-the-by >>> keeping people warm. As always, a critical mass at such a place could >>> hope to hold the building. But the priority (from my perspective) is >>> not to make demands with a closed occupation, but to do collective >>> work with an open one. >>> >>> 5. Assuming a critical mass and a regional convergence on NYC, >>> occupying symbolically powerful public spaces. Do people know that >>> 1,000+ artists occupied the Met during the 1970 "student" strike >>> against the invasion of Cambodia? Federal Hall, the site of the first >>> US Congress is on Wall Street. Wall Street itself. Downtown. Midtown. >>> >>> Just some thoughts, >>> Carwil >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos >>> <beka@[Link]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park >>>> indefinitely: >>>> [Link] >>>> And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. >>>> Just yesterday Zizek warned The only thing Im afraid of is that we >>>> will >>>> someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and >>>> nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise >>>> ourselves >>>> that this will not be the case. >>>> Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this for >>>> the >>>> long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to >>>> make >>>> us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer >>>> an >>>> uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and >>>> integrated. >>>> It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open the >>>> space >>>> of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize but >>>> maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we >>>> do >>>> it again, we push further. >>>> That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the >>>> game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible about >>>> ways >>>> to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October 15. >>>> And >>>> that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead the >>>> way. >>>> xob >>>> >>>> ->>>> New: >>>> [Link]

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>>>> Not An Alternative >>>> [Link] >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > >

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] the next phase OccupyBronx Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] AM

See I kind of think we should go the other direction; be where the money is. That being, of course, Midtown or the Upper East Side. --glj On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:55 AM, David DeGraw <David@[Link]> wrote: think we need to go into a deeply impoverished area in the Bronx. The bronx has the highest poverty rate in NYC, about 30%. we go there, the media comes with us. forces coverage, major spark OccupyBronx On 10/11/2011 8:02 AM, Carwil Bjork-James wrote: A couple thoughts on next steps: 1. A twin space, soon. Zuccotti Park is just plain crowded, and doesn't have a ton of room for new campers. A second, stable-ish, perhaps POPS, location in Lower Manhattan could provide additional room for people to be near Wall Street. This would facilitate mass actions in the financial district while growing the movement. 2. Mass actions in the financial district. Use your own imagination. 3. Holding a space that is more a place of gathering than a launchpad for confrontation. Weekly (for now) use of Washington Square could build to that. So could some kind of plaza occupation across Brooklyn, Harlem, Washington Heights, and the rest of the outer boroughs. It's yet to be seen how intense the police response will be in such places. In all cases, an easy flow between regular events, continuous presence, and full-on occupation and transformation can be played with. 3a. At some point, one location will be the first public park (as opposed to POPS) to be held. We should focus as much OWS energy as possible on maintaining it and setting the kind of "new normal" Beka is talking about. My guess is the first possibility will take the form of #3, not the form of #1, but I'd love to be surprised at Battery Park or Foley Square. 4. The constant circulation of people through Zuccotti is accumulating projects (greywater, printing, a spiritual gathering place). I'd love to see this also happening in a permanently held place: a warehouse, public space of a park, a student center, a union hall, etc. As winter comes, the need for physically warm spaces shouldn't mean a retreat to less space transformation, but to the hive-for-occupation conversion of friendly or occupied buildings. 4a. For those of us with access to buildings, but not control over
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them (I'm thinking universities for the moment), we can start by turning these places into hives of activity for occupiers and only later initiate formal occupations. I'm thinking about numerous ongoing "conferences" that actually have "workshops" that do work for the movement: printing, designing, building, training, and by-the-by keeping people warm. As always, a critical mass at such a place could hope to hold the building. But the priority (from my perspective) is not to make demands with a closed occupation, but to do collective work with an open one. 5. Assuming a critical mass and a regional convergence on NYC, occupying symbolically powerful public spaces. Do people know that 1,000+ artists occupied the Met during the 1970 "student" strike against the invasion of Cambodia? Federal Hall, the site of the first US Congress is on Wall Street. Wall Street itself. Downtown. Midtown. Just some thoughts, Carwil On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos <beka@[Link]> wrote: Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park indefinitely: [Link] And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. Just yesterday Zizek warned The only thing Im afraid of is that we will someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves that this will not be the case. Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this for the long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to make us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer an uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and integrated. It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open the space of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize but maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we do it again, we push further. That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible about ways to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October 15. And that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead the way. xob -New: [Link] Not An Alternative [Link]

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Justine september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] the next phase OccupyBronx Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] PM

Anyone want to buy the domain so I can set you guys up with a website? On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:55 AM, David DeGraw <David@[Link]> wrote: think we need to go into a deeply impoverished area in the Bronx. The bronx has the highest poverty rate in NYC, about 30%. we go there, the media comes with us. forces coverage, major spark OccupyBronx On 10/11/2011 8:02 AM, Carwil Bjork-James wrote: A couple thoughts on next steps: 1. A twin space, soon. Zuccotti Park is just plain crowded, and doesn't have a ton of room for new campers. A second, stable-ish, perhaps POPS, location in Lower Manhattan could provide additional room for people to be near Wall Street. This would facilitate mass actions in the financial district while growing the movement. 2. Mass actions in the financial district. Use your own imagination. 3. Holding a space that is more a place of gathering than a launchpad for confrontation. Weekly (for now) use of Washington Square could build to that. So could some kind of plaza occupation across Brooklyn, Harlem, Washington Heights, and the rest of the outer boroughs. It's yet to be seen how intense the police response will be in such places. In all cases, an easy flow between regular events, continuous presence, and full-on occupation and transformation can be played with. 3a. At some point, one location will be the first public park (as opposed to POPS) to be held. We should focus as much OWS energy as possible on maintaining it and setting the kind of "new normal" Beka is talking about. My guess is the first possibility will take the form of #3, not the form of #1, but I'd love to be surprised at Battery Park or Foley Square. 4. The constant circulation of people through Zuccotti is accumulating projects (greywater, printing, a spiritual gathering place). I'd love to see this also happening in a permanently held place: a warehouse, public space of a park, a student center, a union hall, etc. As winter comes, the need for physically warm spaces shouldn't mean a retreat to less space transformation, but to the hive-for-occupation conversion of friendly or occupied buildings. 4a. For those of us with access to buildings, but not control over them (I'm thinking universities for the moment), we can start by turning these places into hives of activity for occupiers and only later initiate formal occupations. I'm thinking about numerous ongoing
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"conferences" that actually have "workshops" that do work for the movement: printing, designing, building, training, and by-the-by keeping people warm. As always, a critical mass at such a place could hope to hold the building. But the priority (from my perspective) is not to make demands with a closed occupation, but to do collective work with an open one. 5. Assuming a critical mass and a regional convergence on NYC, occupying symbolically powerful public spaces. Do people know that 1,000+ artists occupied the Met during the 1970 "student" strike against the invasion of Cambodia? Federal Hall, the site of the first US Congress is on Wall Street. Wall Street itself. Downtown. Midtown. Just some thoughts, Carwil On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos <beka@[Link]> wrote: Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park indefinitely: [Link] And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. Just yesterday Zizek warned The only thing Im afraid of is that we will someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves that this will not be the case. Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this for the long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to make us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer an uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and integrated. It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open the space of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize but maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we do it again, we push further. That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible about ways to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October 15. And that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead the way. xob -New: [Link] Not An Alternative [Link]

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Carwil Bjork-James september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] the next phase Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] AM

A couple thoughts on next steps: 1. A twin space, soon. Zuccotti Park is just plain crowded, and doesn't have a ton of room for new campers. A second, stable-ish, perhaps POPS, location in Lower Manhattan could provide additional room for people to be near Wall Street. This would facilitate mass actions in the financial district while growing the movement. 2. Mass actions in the financial district. Use your own imagination. 3. Holding a space that is more a place of gathering than a launchpad for confrontation. Weekly (for now) use of Washington Square could build to that. So could some kind of plaza occupation across Brooklyn, Harlem, Washington Heights, and the rest of the outer boroughs. It's yet to be seen how intense the police response will be in such places. In all cases, an easy flow between regular events, continuous presence, and full-on occupation and transformation can be played with. 3a. At some point, one location will be the first public park (as opposed to POPS) to be held. We should focus as much OWS energy as possible on maintaining it and setting the kind of "new normal" Beka is talking about. My guess is the first possibility will take the form of #3, not the form of #1, but I'd love to be surprised at Battery Park or Foley Square. 4. The constant circulation of people through Zuccotti is accumulating projects (greywater, printing, a spiritual gathering place). I'd love to see this also happening in a permanently held place: a warehouse, public space of a park, a student center, a union hall, etc. As winter comes, the need for physically warm spaces shouldn't mean a retreat to less space transformation, but to the hive-for-occupation conversion of friendly or occupied buildings. 4a. For those of us with access to buildings, but not control over them (I'm thinking universities for the moment), we can start by turning these places into hives of activity for occupiers and only later initiate formal occupations. I'm thinking about numerous ongoing "conferences" that actually have "workshops" that do work for the movement: printing, designing, building, training, and by-the-by keeping people warm. As always, a critical mass at such a place could hope to hold the building. But the priority (from my perspective) is not to make demands with a closed occupation, but to do collective work with an open one. 5. Assuming a critical mass and a regional convergence on NYC, occupying symbolically powerful public spaces. Do people know that 1,000+ artists occupied the Met during the 1970 "student" strike against the invasion of Cambodia? Federal Hall, the site of the first US Congress is on Wall Street. Wall Street itself. Downtown. Midtown. Just some thoughts, Carwil

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On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos <beka@[Link]> wrote: > Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park > indefinitely: [Link] > And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. > Just yesterday Zizek warned The only thing Im afraid of is that we will > someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and > nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves > that this will not be the case. > Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this for the > long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to make > us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer an > uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and > integrated. > It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open the space > of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize but > maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we do > it again, we push further. > That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the > game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible about ways > to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October 15. And > that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead the way. > xob > > -> New: [Link] > Not An Alternative > [Link] >

-Carwil Bjork-James Ph.D. Candidate Department of Anthropology CUNY Graduate Center

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september17@[Link] on behalf of Will Gauss september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] the next phase Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

Take Foley Square as a new occupation, establish a shuttle march back and forth between then. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2011, at 9:10 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@[Link]> wrote: > ok-- can added to this be the dispersion technique? > [Link] > > "There are worse things than not getting to have another large public > protest in the streets of New York that accomplishes little. It has > been done before. According to New York City law, permits are > necessary for groups of more than 20 to gather legally in public > parksso why not gather in groups of 19? Why not conduct small, legal, > and still powerful actions like those that #occupywallstreet activists > have been conducting throughout this week, such as yoga classes where > Wall meets Broad and declaring guerrilla free-speech zones with free > wireless internet access? What if this were happening on every corner > in the city, for weeks at a time? > > These days, nobody is more masterful with dispersion tactics than > those behind the Jasmine Revolution in China. Working in an > environment of extreme, ruthless oppression, theyve learned to be > very creative. Their signature move is the so-called strolling > protest: large numbers of people gather at a public place, designated > over the internet, and walk around innocently, looking up at the > buildings and ignoring each other. Obviously, theres a protest > happening, because theres a huge crowd of people in one place, and a > phalanx of police are watching. But how do you distinguish a protester > from a bystander? You dont. You cant, really. Youve created a > disruption, but no targets, and no actual illegality. Meanwhile, > people become less afraid to resist when they know that others are > with them." > > Activities can be planned, people are inconveniencing the bank, it > would be safer, I can't stomach 13 yr olds getting arrested again. The > NYPD has proven themselves to be mean. There should be a softer > approach... and it will bring more sympathy to the movement if it is > peaceful action. > > Dancing on bank lawns in the suburbs, card games in front of chase.... > peaceful..... > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:49 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@[Link]> wrote: >> Totally Agree.... #occupythebanks and lets get in the streets this week. >> >> >> As of now, there are 3 public meeting points for Saturday. Please add >> others that I may have missed. Or form an affinity group and go to a >> bank in the morning! Bring Cameras, do press, and ask for >> supporters...... >>

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>> 11am March on Banks-- from Zucotti and probably (Bowling Green) >> >> 1pm-2pm Students Meet up at Washington Square Park (visit banks from there) >> >> 5:00pm Take Times Square Mass Convergence >> >> >> Here is the call to action from the October 15th Working group. Let's >> make Saturday something different. >> >> Occupy Wall Street October 15th Call to Action Against Banks. >> ------------------------------------->> The time has come to fight the banks. >> >> We call on fellow occupiers and those who stand in solidarity to join >> us in moving from protest to resistance >> >> No longer will banks take our homes. >> >> No longer will banks rob students of our future. >> >> No longer will banks destroy the environment. >> >> No longer will banks fund the misery of war. >> >> No longer will banks cause massive unemployment. >> And no longer will banks create and profit from economic crisis >> without a struggle. >> >> The political system has been corrupted and taken over by Wall Street. >> The banks have destroyed our economy and captured our democracy. >> Occupy Wall Street is a part of a global movement. On Oct. 15th and >> beyond, we will take our message directly to the banks. >> >> This saturday, visit your local Bank of America, Wells Fargo, or Chase >> and let them know, we will not allow business as usual. >> >> We. >> >> Will. >> >> Occupy. >> >> Everywhere >> >> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos >> <beka@[Link]> wrote: >>> Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park >>> indefinitely: [Link] >>> And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. >>> Just yesterday Zizek warned The only thing Im afraid of is that we will >>> someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and >>> nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves >>> that this will not be the case. >>> Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this for the >>> long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to make >>> us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer an >>> uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and >>> integrated.

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>>> It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open the space >>> of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize but >>> maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we do >>> it again, we push further. >>> That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the >>> game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible about ways >>> to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October 15. And >>> that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead the way. >>> xob >>> >>> ->>> New: [Link] >>> Not An Alternative >>> [Link] >>> >>

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september17@[Link] on behalf of grimwomyn september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] the next phase Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

ok-- can added to this be the dispersion technique? [Link] "There are worse things than not getting to have another large public protest in the streets of New York that accomplishes little. It has been done before. According to New York City law, permits are necessary for groups of more than 20 to gather legally in public parksso why not gather in groups of 19? Why not conduct small, legal, and still powerful actions like those that #occupywallstreet activists have been conducting throughout this week, such as yoga classes where Wall meets Broad and declaring guerrilla free-speech zones with free wireless internet access? What if this were happening on every corner in the city, for weeks at a time? These days, nobody is more masterful with dispersion tactics than those behind the Jasmine Revolution in China. Working in an environment of extreme, ruthless oppression, theyve learned to be very creative. Their signature move is the so-called strolling protest: large numbers of people gather at a public place, designated over the internet, and walk around innocently, looking up at the buildings and ignoring each other. Obviously, theres a protest happening, because theres a huge crowd of people in one place, and a phalanx of police are watching. But how do you distinguish a protester from a bystander? You dont. You cant, really. Youve created a disruption, but no targets, and no actual illegality. Meanwhile, people become less afraid to resist when they know that others are with them." Activities can be planned, people are inconveniencing the bank, it would be safer, I can't stomach 13 yr olds getting arrested again. The NYPD has proven themselves to be mean. There should be a softer approach... and it will bring more sympathy to the movement if it is peaceful action. Dancing on bank lawns in the suburbs, card games in front of chase.... peaceful..... On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:49 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@[Link]> wrote: > Totally Agree.... #occupythebanks and lets get in the streets this week. > > > As of now, there are 3 public meeting points for Saturday. Please add > others that I may have missed. Or form an affinity group and go to a > bank in the morning! Bring Cameras, do press, and ask for > supporters...... > > 11am March on Banks-- from Zucotti and probably (Bowling Green) > > 1pm-2pm Students Meet up at Washington Square Park (visit banks from there) > > 5:00pm Take Times Square Mass Convergence >

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> > Here is the call to action from the October 15th Working group. Let's > make Saturday something different. > > Occupy Wall Street October 15th Call to Action Against Banks. > -------------------------------------> The time has come to fight the banks. > > We call on fellow occupiers and those who stand in solidarity to join > us in moving from protest to resistance > > No longer will banks take our homes. > > No longer will banks rob students of our future. > > No longer will banks destroy the environment. > > No longer will banks fund the misery of war. > > No longer will banks cause massive unemployment. > And no longer will banks create and profit from economic crisis > without a struggle. > > The political system has been corrupted and taken over by Wall Street. > The banks have destroyed our economy and captured our democracy. > Occupy Wall Street is a part of a global movement. On Oct. 15th and > beyond, we will take our message directly to the banks. > > This saturday, visit your local Bank of America, Wells Fargo, or Chase > and let them know, we will not allow business as usual. > > We. > > Will. > > Occupy. > > Everywhere > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos > <beka@[Link]> wrote: >> Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park >> indefinitely: [Link] >> And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. >> Just yesterday Zizek warned The only thing Im afraid of is that we will >> someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and >> nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves >> that this will not be the case. >> Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this for the >> long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to make >> us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer an >> uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and >> integrated. >> It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open the space >> of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize but >> maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we do >> it again, we push further. >> That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the >> game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible about ways

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>> to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October 15. And >> that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead the way. >> xob >> >> ->> New: [Link] >> Not An Alternative >> [Link] >> >

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september17@[Link] on behalf of MAd Hatter september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] the next phase Monday, October 10, 2011 [Link] PM

Totally Agree.... #occupythebanks and lets get in the streets this week. As of now, there are 3 public meeting points for Saturday. Please add others that I may have missed. Or form an affinity group and go to a bank in the morning! Bring Cameras, do press, and ask for supporters...... 11am March on Banks-- from Zucotti and probably (Bowling Green) 1pm-2pm Students Meet up at Washington Square Park (visit banks from there) 5:00pm Take Times Square Mass Convergence Here is the call to action from the October 15th Working group. Let's make Saturday something different. Occupy Wall Street October 15th Call to Action Against Banks. -------------------------------------The time has come to fight the banks. We call on fellow occupiers and those who stand in solidarity to join us in moving from protest to resistance No longer will banks take our homes. No longer will banks rob students of our future. No longer will banks destroy the environment. No longer will banks fund the misery of war. No longer will banks cause massive unemployment. And no longer will banks create and profit from economic crisis without a struggle. The political system has been corrupted and taken over by Wall Street. The banks have destroyed our economy and captured our democracy. Occupy Wall Street is a part of a global movement. On Oct. 15th and beyond, we will take our message directly to the banks. This saturday, visit your local Bank of America, Wells Fargo, or Chase and let them know, we will not allow business as usual. We. Will. Occupy. Everywhere

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On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos <beka@[Link]> wrote: > Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park > indefinitely: [Link] > And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. > Just yesterday Zizek warned The only thing Im afraid of is that we will > someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and > nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves > that this will not be the case. > Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this for the > long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to make > us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer an > uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and > integrated. > It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open the space > of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize but > maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we do > it again, we push further. > That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the > game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible about ways > to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October 15. And > that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead the way. > xob > > -> New: [Link] > Not An Alternative > [Link] >

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september17@[Link] on behalf of beka economopoulos september17@[Link] Re: [september17discuss] the next phase Tuesday, October 11, 2011 [Link] AM

There are lots of folks working on weather contingencies. Heck yeah, we're staying through Spring. Some ideas: * there are allies who want to fundraise to get 500 sub-zero sleeping bags donated, as well as cold-weather gears (hats, gloves, coats, etc.) * working on lining up indoor spaces nearby where folks can rotate out if they're getting sick or need a night to warm up. * consider a coordinated effort in solidarity with one another to push for structures and on-site warming options. get supporters, unions, and community orgs to back us up when we go for it * use mobile blast list, get shovels donated, and get folks down there to help get rid of snow more ideas floating around out there, many in the works! On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:19 PM, <jemcgloin@[Link]> wrote:
He basically said that the weather will chase us out, and I think that is what they have been hoping for a while. I will repeat that I think we need to take a large part of our budget and buy the right gear for a winter stay. I will have some time Christmas vacation and winter vacation in February. That would really mess with them if we were still here in the spring.

On 10/10/11, beka economopoulos<beka@[Link]> wrote: Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park indefinitely: [Link] And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic. Just yesterday Zizek warned The only thing Im afraid of is that we will someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves that this will not be the case. Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this for the long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to make us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer an uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and integrated. It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open the space of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize but maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we do it again, we push further. That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible about ways to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October 15. And that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead the way. xob

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