Transcript  of  “Nadine  Artemis:  Holistic  Dentistry,  Root  Canal  Dangers  &  
Benefits  of  Essential  Oils  -­‐  #248”  
 
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Dave:   Hi,  everyone.  It's  Dave  Asprey  with  Bulletproof  Radio.  Today's  Cool  Fact  
of  the  Day  is  that  you  may  think  women  are  complaining  about  nothing  
when  they  talk  about  smells.  New  research  shows  that  women  actually  
smell  better  than  men  do.  This  could  affect  women's  emotional  
associations  and  their  emotions.  It's  probably  because  women  have  
50%  more  neurons  in  the  olfactory  bulbs  of  their  brains  than  us  men  do.  
We  don't  really  know  why  but  you  could  guess  that  it  has  to  do  with  the  
way  women  pick  mates  for  reproduction.  The  guy  has  to  smell  
compatible  so  you'd  have  to  have  good  smell  receptors  in  order  to  do  
that.  It's  kind  of  cool.    

  If  you  haven't  had  a  chance  yet  to  check  out  the  Zen  Tech  filters  that  we  
make,  I'd  love  it  if  you  took  a  second  and  looked  at  the  iPhone  or  
computer  that  you're  probably  listening  to  this  on  and  realize  that  if  you  
look  at  that  at  night,  it's  affecting  your  sleep  quality.  the  Zen  Tech  filter  
filters  out  only  the  narrowest  spectrum  of  blue  light  that's  most  
impactful  so  you  can  still  use  it  during  the  day.  I've  had  the  thing  on  my  
phone  for  a  long  time  so  when  I  set  the  alarm  at  night,  the  phone  isn't  
going  to  take  me  out  of  my  melatonin  zone.  Zen  Tech  filters  on  the  
Bulletproof  site,  do  check  it  out  and  support  the  show.  Thank  you.    

  Today's  guest  is  best  known  for  being  the  co-­‐creator  of  Living  Libations,  
which  is  a  line  of  serums  and  essential  oils  that  you  can  use  on  your  
skin.  She  is  the  author  of  a  couple  of  books,  including  the  recent  one  that  
I  really  enjoyed  called  Holistic  Dental  Care:  The  Complete  Guide  to  
Healthy  Teeth  and  Gums.  Now,  some  of  you  may  read  like  Tom  Clancy  or  
something.  I'm  telling  you,  I  don't  read  that  kind  of  stuff.  Actually,  I  do  
sometimes.  This  is  a  really  good  book  and  I  do  read  that  kind  of  book  
with  regular  frequency  because  it's  really  neat.  There's  a  lot  of  good  
stuff  in  the  book  which  is  why  I  asked  Nadine  on  the  show.    

  I  also  think  that  there's  something  to  be  said  for  essential  oils  and  I  
really  don't  understand  how  to  use  essential  oils  as  sort  of  truth  

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disclaimer  here.  I  have  lots  of  them.  People  will  give  me  their  very  best  
ones  and  then  I  smell  them  but  I'm  not  really  sure  what's  going  on  there.  
So  I  have  room  to  go  there.    

  She's  also  a  frequent  commentator  and  like  The  New  York  Times,  The  
National  Post,  Hollywood  Reporter,  and  all  over  the  place.  Alanis  
Morissette  called  her  a  true-­‐sense  visionary.  Nadine  Artemis,  welcome  
to  the  show.    

Nadine:   Thank  you  so  much.    

Dave:   Now,  give  me  your  story.  You've  been  doing  this  health  and  beauty  thing  
since  you  were  18.  How  did  that  come  about?    

Nadine:   It's  hard  to  say  where  it  all  began.  I  feel  like  it  began  earlier.  I  had  a  lot  of  
exploration  in  nature,  and  in  grade  9,  I  found  a  book  in  the  library  on  
recreating  cosmetics  naturally.  For  the  science  fair  project  at  that  time,  I  
recreated  L'Air  du  Temps  using  essential  oils.  Because  in  that  book  I  
found  out  that  perfumes,  I  was  obsessed  with  them  at  that  time,  but  
they're  all  the  commercial  stuff,  that  they  actually  came  from  plants.  It  
went  into  the  ancient  Egyptian  cosmology  of  it  all  and  that  was  
fascinating  to  me  because  also  my  great  grandfather  used  to  be  the  
president  of  the  London  Egyptology  Society  who  would  go  on  
archaeological  digs  so  we  had  all  these  Egyptian  paintings.  I  was  
fascinated.  It  was  sort  of  my  first  hit.    

  Then  it  faded  a  bit  but  back  when  I  was  18,  as  you  and  I  were  just  
talking  about,  I  was  reading  some  health  books  on  food.  From  that  
moment  forward,  I  realized  that  the  whole  structure  of  the  supermarket  
was  fake,  and  then  metals  led  me  to  believe  and  understand  that  the  
whole  structure  of  body  care  was  completely  fake  and  that  all  of  my,  I  
was  so  excited  about  the  body  shop  then  because  it  was  just  newly  
invented  and  then  I  realized  there's  no  pineapple  in  the  face  wash  and  
no  cucumber  in  the  face  toner,  so  I  started  making  my  own  food  and  my  
own  cosmetics.    

  Then  by  22,  after  I  graduated,  I  opened  up  North  America's  first  full  
concept  aromatherapy  store.  I  had  all  my  distillers  from  all  over  the  

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world  that  I  would  get  essential  oils  from.  I  realized  this  is  a  quality  
that's  available  that  wasn't  around  in  health  food  stores  at  that  time.  I  
did  that  for  a  long  time  and  I  just  formulated  tons  of  products.  Then  
when  I  was  about  22,  I  was  starting  to  really  getting  into  oral  care  and  
dentistry  because  I  found  there's  a  lot  of  alternative  stuff  for  the  body.  I  
found  that  alternative  dentistry,  there  was  a  big  gap.  Maybe  you  could  
learn  about  that  hazards  of  mercury  but  there  wasnt  a  lot  out  there.  
Then  I  started  formulating  some  oral  care  products,  just  mainly  testing  
them  on  myself  and  friends  and  then  deeply  going  in  into  oral  care  after  
that.  Instantly  we  have  a  huge  line  of  oral  care  products  with  ozonated  
gel  and  really  fancy  botanical  extracts.  Later,  they  called  them  botanical  
biotics.    

  What's  so  fascinating  now  is  to  go  into  all  the  research  about  the  
mouth's  microbiome,  is  that  what  we're  finding  is  that  we're  getting  
scientific  studies  that  are  now  confirming  that  why  everybody  had  been  
using  these  botanical  biotics  for  thousands  of  years,  because  they're  
confirming  that  things  like  neem,  tea  tree,  frankincense,  oregano,  
cardamom,  cloves,  cinnamon,  all  those  classic  ones  for  oral  care.  What  
they're  finding  now  is  that  they  are  awesome  at  inhibiting  quorum  
sensing,  which  is  how  pathogens  communicate  in  the  mouth  or  all  over  
the  body  so  the  essential  oils  are  able  to  clean  up  the  pathogens,  
penetrate  biofilms,  but  not  be  these  indiscriminate  assassins  that  
antibiotics  are.    

Dave:   You  really  got  into  some  of  the  nuances  of  what  essential  oils  can  do  and  
you  talked  about  something  else  really  important  there,  which  is  that  
you're  one  of  the  few  people  I've  seen  at  a  commercial  level  selling  
ozonated  anything.  Let's  talk  about  ozone  first  and  let's  talk  about  
essential  oils  because  the  effects  on  the  microbiome  are  really  
important  for  both  of  those  things.  First,  talk  about  ozone,  what  your  
ozonating,  and  why  someone  want  to  put  that  in  their  mouth.    

Nadine:   Ozone  is  amazing.  It  was  invented  by,  it  was  Tesla,  of  course.  His  
inventions  are  like  they're  so  huge.  You  know  what  I  mean?  He  put  
oxygen  through  olive  oil  which  just  seems  so  different  from  everything  
else  he  created.  He  was  the  first  to  do  that.  Then  a  lot  of  naturopaths  at  
that  time  we're  putting  it  into  their  practice.  What  we're  doing  now  is  

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we're  ozonating  our  healthy  gum  drop  formula.  We  ozonated  not  only  
the  oil  that  we  do,  jojoba,  olive  oil.  Then  we  also  ozonate  along  with  it,  
the  seabuckthorn,  the  rose  otto,  the  peppermint,  so  it's  very  powerful.  
What  ozone  does,  too,  is  it's  seems  to  act  like  there's  some  beneficial  
things  out  there  like  hydrogen  peroxide,  salt,  baking  soda,  ozone,  the  
essential  oils.  They're  all  able  to  clean  up  but  not  destroy  the  whole  
microbiome.    

  I  really  feel  like  it's  these  kind  of  botanical  biotics  again,  or  natural  
substances  that  are  so  important  right  now  because  of  things  like  
antibiotic  resistance  and  because  of  things  like  antibiotics  not  being  able  
to  penetrate  biofilms.  What  we  need  in  our  mouth  is  breathability  and  
oxygen  being  in  there.  Then,  when  we  have  things  in  our  mouth  which  
are  pathogenic  like  an  old  root  canal,  which  we  can  talk  about.  There's  
definitely  things  in  our  mouth  that  fester  and  breed  bacteria,  and  ozone  
is  able  to  go  in  there  and  clean  up.  A  lot  of  dentists  will  inject  sites  that  
they  just  worked  on  with  ozone  as  well.  It's  very  regenerative.    

Dave:   It  sounds  hard  to  believe  for  most  people  listening  here  who  probably  
haven't  heard  about  ozone  in  the  mouth.  We've  talked  about  ozone  with  
Dr.  Rowen  who's  actually  using  it  for  ebola,  like  intravenous  ozone.  I  
actually  did  some  intravenous  ozone  3  days  ago  with  Robyn  Benson  in  
Santa  Fe.  You  can  do  things  in  your  mouth  that  are  crazy.  I,  this  is  many  
years  ago,  every  night  was  drinking  a  bunch  of  magnesium  citrate,  that  
natural  calmness  as  hot  acidic  drink  it  turns  out  and  I  drink  it  after  I  
brush  my  teeth.  Because  it's  like  it's  a  sleep  thing,  I  drink  it  before  bed.  I  
dissolved  mostly  enamel  in  my  mouth  that  way  and  didn't  really  know  
it.    

  I  went  to  the  dentist,  a  traditional  dentist,  and  they  basically  said,  "Oh,  
you're  gonna  have  to  have,  like,  bridges  everywhere.  It's  going  to  be  four  
appointments  of  four  hours  a  piece.  We're  gonna  basically  rip  your  
whole  mouth  out  and  give  you  a  new  one."  I'm  like,  "Good  thing  I  run  the  
Silicon  Valley  Health  Institute,  this  anti-­‐aging  thing."  I  went  to  a  resident  
dentist  who,  unfortunately,  since  passed  away  but  he  was  one  of  the  
pioneers  of  ozone  dentistry,  same  as  Dr.  Gallagher.  He  looks  at  me  and  
goes,  "Oh,  yeah.  Problem  here."  He  ozonates  you,  like  injects  ozone  
around  all  of  my  teeth.  Basically,  has  me  rinse  my  mouth  out,  it  was  

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ozoned  to  sterilize  it.  Then  he  says,  "Great.  Now,  go  home  and  brush  
with  this  for  a  week."  It  was  something  called  remineralization  paste.  
Magically,  like  $30,000  worth  of  fake  teeth  disappeared  with  a  $20  tube  
of  paste  and  like  $0.01  worth  of  ozone.  That  is  how  powerful  this  stuff  is  
and  literally  my  teeth  are  fine  to  this  day.    

Nadine:   It  was  amazing  and  it's  not.    

Dave:   It's  amazing  if  you  don't  know  that  this  is  possible.  One  of  the  reasons  I  
wanted  to  have  you  on  the  show  is  to  talk  more  about  that.  I  think  we've  
had  a  Dr.  Jennings  who  does  jaw  alignment  but  doesn't  do  ozone,  so  he  
wasn’t  able  to  talk  about  that.  You're  putting  ozone  in  oil  which  is  just  
something  different  than  injecting  the  gas  but  what  is  ozone  really  doing  
in  your  mouth?  Walk  me  through  the  steps  here.    

Nadine:   It  can  regenerate,  so  you're  getting  new  cell  growth  where  you  want  it.  I  
think  the  main  thing,  too,  what  we  skipped  over  because  everything  
that's  going  on  with  modern  dentistry  is  about  killing,  this  sort  of  
periodontal  scorched  earth  policy  on  the  mouth's  microbiome.  You've  
got  the  really  heavy  duty  mouth  rinses,  the  toothpaste  with  triclosan  
and  sodium  lauryl  sulfate,  and  all  these  chemicals.  Then  we're  
masticating  meals  with  glyphosates  and  pesticides,  so  our  mouths  are  
like  this  microcosm  for  the  whole,  everything  was  going  on  with  the  
world  right  now  and  our  microbiomes  are  literally  off-­‐balance,  like  the  
soil  of  our  mouth,  just  like  the  soil  of  our  guts,  are  so  out  of  whack.  
Ozone  can  come  in,  help  regenerate,  and  then  also  clean  up  because  
what's  happening,  because  we're  missing  microbes.    

  I'm  sure  you've  read  Dr.  Martin  Blaser's  work.  He  has  a  book,  Missing  
Microbes.  He  talks  a  lot  about  the  guts  and  then  how  things  get  out  of  
whack  is  because  the  microbes  are  actually  missing  some  of  their  
ancestral  bacterial  buddies.  Every  mouth  has  streptococcus  mutans.  It  
just  depends  if  it's  out  of  control  or  not.  That's  the  cavity-­‐causing  
bacteria.  What  they  now  understand  from  research  of  the  human  
microbiome,  which  is  really  revolutionary,  is  that  streptococcus  mutans  
is  a  bit  out  of  control  because  it's  missing  its  bacterial  buddies  that  
would  keep  it  under  control.  This  is  because  of  everything  we're  killing  
off  all  the  healthy  microbes  through  our  regular  oral  care  practices  and  

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because  of  our  diet.  Something  like  ozone  can  come  in  and  clean  up  the  
pathogens  but  still  keep  all  the  friendly  bacteria  active  and  healthy  and  
proliferating.    

Dave:   What  about  hydrogen  peroxide?  Hydrogen  peroxide  and  ozone  are  
similar.  If  you're  not  a  biochemist,  for  people  listening,  the  difference  is  
that  hydrogen  peroxide  is  H202,  and  so  it's  got  this  extra  oxygen  floating  
around  and  ozone  is  O3,  with  an  extra  oxygen  floating  around.  They  
both  have  free  oxygen.  What's  the  difference?  If  you're  going  to  put  one  
or  the  other  in  your  mouth  or  somewhere  in  your  body,  why  wouldn't  
people  just  use  hydrogen  peroxide  which  you  can  buy  for  $2  at  the  
drugstore.    

Nadine:   That's  a  good  question.  I  feel  like  I'm  always  the  one  to  do  more.  I  feel  
like  more  is  merrier.  Hydrogen  peroxide  is  also  amazing  but  again  you  
have  to  use  that  carefully  because  it  can  be  quite  astringent  and  you  
would  want  to  use  it  actually  at  a  diluted  rate  of  1%.  It  is  really  good.  It's  
a  natural  whitener.  It's  not  something  I  recommend  to  do  everyday,  
though,  because  it  can  pull  back  the  gums  a  bit  from  the  astringent  
reaction.  We  want  to  keep  our  gums  really  healthy  and  around  each  
tooth.  I  recommend  doing  it  once  a  month,  maybe  once  a  week,  if  you're  
trying  to  get  the  teeth  whiter.    

  A  really  neat  thing  that  you  can  do  at  home  is  just  take  like  a  teaspoon  of  
your  diluted  1%  hydrogen  peroxide  and  then  put  a  teaspoon  of  baking  
soda.  Those  are  loose  measurements.  You  mix  up  together  and  you  let  it  
evaporate.  Just  leave  it  in  a  jar  and  leave  it  open.  It'll  evaporate  in  a  few  
hours.  Then  you  have  a  dry,  very  potent,  sort  of  baking  soda  powder  and  
then  you  brush  your  teeth.  I  like  to  use  two  types  of  toothbrushes:  a  
manual  and  a  round-­‐headed  electric,  just  really  inexpensive  $25  one.  
Because  the  round  head  can  get  back  further  and  then  you're  not  really  
focusing  on  the  gums,  just  going  to  focus  on  the  teeth.    

  Then  you  will  polish  them.  I  think  it  like  the  janitor  that  would  do  the  
high  school  gym  floors.  You're  just  looking  at  this  as  like  a  buffing,  
polishing  stage.  That's  really  good  for  removing  old  plaque  and  getting  
the  teeth  white.  It's  a  good  part  where  hydrogen  peroxide  can  come  in.  

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Once  again,  hydrogen  peroxide  is  able  to  handle  and  tidy  up  the  
pathogens  without  destroying  the  good  bacteria.    

Dave:   I'm  going  to  ask  you  about  one  of  these  things  that  I  do  on  occasionally,  
maybe  every  3  months.  I  get  food  grade  diatomaceous  earth,  which  is  
incredibly  abrasive.  I  put  a  little  bit  of  the  XCT  Oil  that  we  have,  which  is  
basically,  it  has  topical  like  bacterial  properties  and  stuff.  Then  I'm  using  
my  electric  toothbrush  and  I  polish  my  teeth  with  it  for  10  seconds  and  
it  totally  removes  all  the  stains,  hasn't  seem  to  cause  problems  in  a  long  
time  of  doing  that.  That's  similar  to  the  polishing  agent  that  a  dentist  
uses.  Is  there  any  reason  people  shouldn't  be  doing  this?  Because  it  
seems  to  work.    

Nadine:   I  think  that's  a  great  idea  to  use  clays.  I  mean,  you  could  even  do  that  
same  thing  and  use  your  activated  charcoal  product  

Dave:   I  do  that,  too,  for  sure.  Actually,  charcoal  isn't  so  abrasive.  I  can  do  that  
more  often.  It  takes  the  stains  off.  The  other  stuff,  it's  like  it’ll  get  rid  of  
tartar  on  the  back  of  your  teeth  if  you  wanted  to  but  you  could  also  
could  grind  your  teeth  away  if  you  did  it  too  much.    

Nadine:   I  think  because  you  have  the  oil  with  it  though.  That's  a  really  good  lube.    

Dave:   It's  amazing.  I  don't  have  the  world's  whitest  teeth  naturally.  I  just  have  
like  quite  brown  teeth  and  they're  much  better  than  they  used  to  be  but  
I  also  don't  do  a  lot  of  the  laser…  the  cosmetic  dentistry  thing.  I  don't  
really  know  all  those  stuff  they  do,  but  like  laser  is  in  paint  or  Bondo,  
whatever  they  do  on  the  front,  like  they  put  fake  teeth  on  top  of  mine.  I  
haven't  done  any  of  that  stuff.  It's  interesting  though  just  so  you  can  do  
naturally.    

  I  also  use,  this  was  a  while  back.  I  realized  it  wasn't  working  but  I  used  
to  make  my  own  mouthwash.  I'm  like,  "All  right.  Let's  kill  everything."  I  
would  take  vodka  and  I  would  take  xylitol,  which  is  something  that  
inhibits  bacterial  growth  in  the  mouth,  and  then  some  essential  oils.  I'd  
shake  it  up.  I  noticed  when  I  would  use  it,  it  took  me  6  months  to  figure  
it  out,  when  I  use  these,  I'd  wake  up  with  the  world's  driest  eyes,  super  
dry  eyes.  Do  you  know  what's  going  on  there?  Because  I  quit  doing  it  for  

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that  reason  and  there's  some  other  reasons  to  no  do  that.  Tell  me  what  I  
was  doing  wrong  there.    

Nadine:   I  do  think  it's  alcohol.  I  do  think  when  we're  doing  mouthwashes,  we  
don't  want  to  use  alcohol  at  all  even  if  it's  a  really  great  alcohol  because  
it  is  drying  and  that  is  shifting  the  microbiome.  Why?  I  feel  like  the  
amount  is  totally  connected  up  to  the  body.  It's  very  neat  that  your  eyes  
went  dry.  I  can't  totally  speak  to  that  on  a  scientific  level  but  it's  all  
connected.    

Dave:   I'm  guessing  it  had  something  to  do  with  nitric  oxide  and  I  read  
something  about  it  eventually.  Because  we  have  these  bacteria  in  our  
mouth  that  make  nitric  oxide  which  just  causes  better  circulation.  That's  
my  working  theory.  I  had  no  idea  for  sure  why.  I  probably  never  will  
know  but  it  was  repeatable.  I  could  not  rinse  and  I  wake  up  with  normal  
eyes.  I  could  rinse  and  they  would  get  dry.  It  was  one  of  those  things  
that  you  wouldn't  think  of  unless  you're  one  of  those  walking  event  
correlation  engines  like  me  where  you  just  notice  stuff  and  see  if  they're  
related.    

Nadine:   That's  what  I  like  to  do.    

Dave:   You  do  and,  in  fact,  you  have  a  quote  from  your  book  where  you  said,  
"The  system  of  treating  symptoms  creates  a  perpetual  loop  of  
appointments,  medications,  surgeries,  scrapings,  bridges,  crowns,  and  
fillings  that  never  reaches  the  underlying  root  causes  of  the  symptoms  
leading  to  the  statistic  that  90%  of  60-­‐year  olds  will  have  63%  of  their  
teeth  missing,  filled,  or  decayed."  It's  like  eating  a  low  fat  diet.  Everyone  
gets  fat  doing  that  but  we  just  keep  doing  it.  Now,  you're  saying  that  
90%  of  60-­‐year  olds  who  do  what  their  dentist  said,  which  is  floss  and  
brush  with  these  chemicals  and  put  fluoride  all  over  the  place,  that  
basically  more  than  half  your  teeth  are  going  to  break  by  the  time  you're  
only  60,  which  is  like  a  third  of  where  you  should  be  living  if  you're  
under  60  now  and  you're  in  good  health  and  you're  planning  to  live  like  
that.  We  have  technology  now.    

Nadine:   Yes,  and  then  it  also  shows  like  if  you  had  followed  through  with  that  
dental  appointment.  I  mean  it's  not  like  every  one  of  those  60-­‐year  olds  

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had  the  decayed  tooth  that  came  out.  A  lot  of  them  would  have  been  
removed  through  just  modern  dentistry.    

  There's  a  couple  of  good  investigative  journalist  reports.  I  think  there  

should  be  more,  but  one  Canadian  with  the  Canadian  Broadcasting  
Corporation  had  her  teeth  checked  at  the  University  of  Toronto.  She  
only  needed  one  crown  on  one  tooth.  She  went  across  Canada  to  20  
dentists  and  the  quotes  ranged  from  300  to  every,  like  veneers  on  each  
tooth  and  getting  root  canals.  That  was  crazy.  Then  another  gentleman  
in  the  US  had  another  dental  examination  and  actually  all  he  needed  was  
a  crown  replaced  in  his  tooth.  He  went  to  50  dentists.  He  showed  them  
the  same  X-­‐rays  at  every  single  one  and  again  the  quotes  range  from  
700  to  $19,000  from  crowning  every  single  tooth  to  root  canals  and  
bridges  and  all  that  kind  of  stuff.  Actually  15  of  those  50  dentists  missed  
the  molar  that  needed  to  be  crowned  entirely.  I  think  it  also  shows  us  
that  while  we  think  dentistry  is  very  black  and  white  and  it's  scientific  
and  lab  coats  and  sterilization  and  all  ended  up…  X-­‐ray  

  X-­‐ray  is  like  the  golden  image.  That's  the  image  that  everybody  is  
supposed  to  interpret  but  all  these  things  are  completely,  you  can  take  
the  same  X-­‐ray  and  have  15  interpretations.  I  think  that's  really  good  for  
our  minds  to  know  so  we  can  undo.  Because  when  you're  at  the  dentist,  
you  just  think  they  know  everything.  Actually  when  American  Dental  
Association  responded  to  this  journalist  who  went  to  the  50  dentists,  
they  weren't  surprised  by  the  inconsistencies  because,  they  explained  
that  dentistry  is  art  based  on  scientific  information,  so  I  thought  that  
was  a  really  interesting  quote.    

Dave:   It's  a  fair  point  too.  Medicine  is  the  same  way  like  you  go  to  different  
healers,  dentists  or  healers,  you  go  to  different  healers  and  they  use  
different  techniques.  They've  been  trained  in  different  traditions,  they  
have  different  tool  sets.  It's  reasonable  that  you  wouldn't  see  exactly  the  
same  thing  every  time  but  the  variance  there  seems  pretty  horrifying.    

Nadine:   You  can  mix  things  like  insurance  or  if  somebody,  because  he  was  asked  
a  lot  of  if  he  had  insurance,  so  then  in  different  billing  thing.  There's  
definitely  influences,  all  that  kind  of  stuff.  It's  good  for  people  to  know  
because  if  your  dentist  says  you  do  need  a  root  canal,  you  may,  but  you  

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also  may  not.  I  think  we're  going  to  need  a  dentist  at  some  point  in  our  
lives.  Sometimes  we  need  them  to  undo  previous  dental  works,  so  it's  so  
important  to  have  a  very  leading  edge  dentist,  one  that  uses  ozone.  
There's  even  dentists  now  that  use  the  plasma,  the  PRP  therapy.  You  
might  have  heard  of  that  for  joints?  

Dave:   I  just  did  it  3  days  ago  on  my  knees.  

Nadine:   There  you  go.  You  had  a  busy  3  days.  If  they  remove  a  root  canal  or  if  
there's  a  receding  gum  and  shoe,  they'll  inject  your  own  plasma  and  
then  you're  healing  that  area  for  6  months.  That's  amazing.  Stem  cell  
tooth  regrowth  is  probably  still  about  4  or  5  years  away.  They  have  
done  it  successfully  in  pigs  so  it's  only  a  matter  of  time.    

Dave:   I'm  not  sure  that  most  people  listening  know  the  dangers  of  root  canals.  
I've  been  fortunate.  I  haven't  had  to  have  one.  Can  you  talk  about  why  
there's  such  a  big  deal?  I  think  traditional  dentistry  doesn't  really  talk  
much  about  them.  It's  like,  "Oh,  you  just  need  one."  What  are  the  risks  of  
root  canal?  Why  do  alternative  practitioners  talk  so  much  about  root  
canals  as  they  all  do?    

Nadine:   They  do  and  they  are,  it's  really  interesting  when  you  go  into  it.  There  
actually  is  now  in  Dontics  Journals  which  is  not  anything  we're  all  going  
to  be  reading,  and  most  dentists  don't  read  them.  They're  now  
discussing  that,  yes,  it  is  impossible  to  sterilize  a  root  canal.  That's  very  
exciting.  That  information  doesn't  filter  down.  The  whole  goal  of  a  root  
canal  is  to  take  an  infected  tooth  and  then  they  scrape  out  the  whole  
pulp  chamber  and  the  nerves.  It's  like  scraped  out  but  you're  still  
keeping  the  cosmetic  appearance  that  you  have  a  tooth  in  your  mouth  
and  it  is  your  tooth  but  actually  it's  a  dead  tooth.  Because  no,  now  the  
blood  supply  has  been  taken  out  of  the  tooth.  What  happens  is  then  it  
becomes  a  little  necrotic  nest  festering  with  pathogenic  bacteria  that  
every  time  you  chew  gets  squeezed  out  and  into  your  body  and  no  blood  
can  get  there  and  so  you  basically  have  a  full  anaerobic  setup  for  this  
bacteria.    

  What  they  found  is  this  can  cause  issues  in  people.  Dr.  Joseph  Issels  
who's  a  physician  in  Europe  who's  been  working  with  cancer  patients  

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for  40  years  has  found  that  96%  of  all  people,  women  with  breast  cancer  
have  a  root  canal  on  the  same  side.  That  doesn't  mean  if  you  have  a  root  
canal  you're  going  to  get  breast  cancer  but  women  with  breast  cancer  
had  a  root  canal  on  the  same  side.  Also  for  his  male  and  female  patients  
he  asked  them  to  remove  the  root  canal  before  they  start  their  
treatment  because  he  feels  like  it's  this  thing  that's  just  challenging  the  
autoimmune  system  so  much  that  somebody  can't  fully  heal.    

  One  of  my  most  respected  dentist  friends  is  Dr.  Stuart  Nannally.  He  is  in  
Texas.  He  did  the  first  independent  lab  study  of  root  canals.  The  root  
canal  tooth  had  to  be  textbook  perfect,  not  causing  the  person  any  
issues  because  some  of  them  is  going  to  have  a  root  canal  and  then  few  
years  later  you're  like,  "Oh,  it's  really  hurting."  They  had  to  be  perfect.  
They  had  to  show  zero  pathology  on  an  X-­‐ray.  Then  if  it  qualified  that  
way  they  remove  the  tooth  and  then  the  independent  dentists  select  the  
date  that  could  go  to  the  lab  to  have  DNA  testing.  What  they  found  is  
that  every  single  extracted  tooth  had  pathology  and  it  had  severe  
necrotic  bacteria.  Obviously,  that  ranged  so  some  people  had  higher  
levels  of  severe  bacterial.  The  interesting  thing,  too,  his  they  also  found  
older  diseases.  They  found  things  like  syphilis,  leprosy,  the  bacteria  for  
that,  and  Lyme  disease  was  also  found.    

  Hopefully,  you  don't  have  to  get  a  root  canal.  People  often  ask  them  
what  are  the  choices.  The  best  choice  is  to  actually,  if  the  tooth  really  is  a  
candidate  for  root  canal,  you'll  actually  want  to  get  it  extracted  if  it's  
already  far  gone.  You  do  want  to  get  it  extracted  properly,  which  means  
that  the  periodontal  ligament  also  has  to  be  removed.  You  have  to  go  to  
a  really  good  good  dentist  for  that  that  also  knows  this  because,  then,  if  
the  periodontal  ligament  is  left  in,  then  10  years,  20  years  down  the  
road,  you  could  have  a  jaw  cavitation  which  is  where  the  jawbone  starts  
to  rot.  That's  how  you  would  want  to  clean  up  a  root  canal.    

  Now,  if  it's  a  bad  molar,  you  can  just  let  that  be  and  actually  have  the  
space  in  your  mouth.  If  it's  a  front  tooth  or  something,  that's  a  hard  
decision  to  make  because  then  you  are  looking  at  things  like  bridges.  
There  are  implants  but  you  definitely  don't  want  titanium  implanted  
into  your  body.  There's  better.  It  seems  like  in  Europe  they're  using  a  
zirconium  implant  which  is  helpful.    

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Dave:   Why  would  you  not  want  titanium  in  your  body?    

Nadine:   Because  it's  a  heavy  ...  

Dave:   That  was  hypoallergenic.    

Nadine:   Maybe  hypoallergenic  but  it's  a  heavy  metal.  Dr.  Hal  Huggins  always  
called  any  heavy  metal  the  marriage  of  microbes  and  metals.  He  found  
that  any  microbes  in  the  body  just  love  to  feed  off  the  heavy  metals  and  
the  titanium  can  rot.  My  husband  had  a  titanium  root  canal  and  we  got  
that  pulled  out.  It  was  gnarly  when  they  showed  us  the  tooth.    

Dave:   It's  interesting.  My  wife  and  I  used  to  run  a  lab  testing  company  in  the  
US  that  would  test  for  white  blood  cell  proliferation  in  response  to  
environmental  things,  including  titanium.  We  found  that  about  10%  of  
people  would  make  white  blood  cells  when  their  blood  was  exposed  to  
titanium.  We're  using  a  radioactive  cell  counter.  We  also  found  that  
most  titanium  isn't  actually  titanium.  If  it's  less  than  2%  another  metal,  
they  don't  have  to  tell  you  what's  in  there.  There  could  be  nickel,  there  
can  be  other  toxic  metals  in  these  things.    

  We  had  a  number  people  who  were  customers  of  this  lab  test  who  got  
surgery,  got  titanium,  and  got  sick  and  never  got  better  until  it  was  
removed  including  an  8-­‐year  old  where  he  was  going  to  die  from  this.  
He  had  this  huge  thing  in  his  chest.  We  ended  up  getting  a  
compassionate  exemption  from  the  FDA  to  import  zirconium.  This  was  
like  8  years  ago  and  it  certainly  saved  his  life.  The  whole  point  here  is  
that  titanium  may  be  the  harmless  for  someone  but  it's  not  risk-­‐free  by  a  
long  shot.  It's  not  just  titanium.  It's  titanium  and  some  other  things  that  
they  might  tell  you  about  if  you  call  and  ask.    

  What  I  would  recommend  you  do  there  is  you  get  zirconium  if  you  can  
afford  it  and  you  can  find  a  way  to  do  it  or  maybe  ceramic  or  something  
like  that  because  anytime  you  put  a  metal  in  there,  like  there's  that  risk  
and  then  there's  the  electrical  current  risk  where  you  make  a  battery  
when  you  have  one  piece  of  metal  somewhere  in  your  body  and  a  
different  type  of  metal  somewhere  else  and  water  between  them.  You  

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generate  a  current  and  those  currents  compete  with  the  currents  that  
are  in  your  body.  It's  really  complex  and  most  people  don't  know  this.    

Nadine:   That  currents  you  can  get  with  the  mercury  fillings  as  well.  Even  
porcelain,  it's  good  that  you  brought  up  metal  purity  because  even  the  
porcelain  fillings  which  people,  they  think,  "Okay.  It's,  they're  trying  to  
do  the  right  thing  and  they  spend  more  on  the  better  filling,"  but  it's  got  
nickel  in  it  as  well.  It's  not  a  pure  metal.    

Dave:   I  didn't  know  that.    

Nadine:   Nickel  is  one  of  the  most  carcinogenic  metals.  Then  you've  also  brought  
up  a  point,  like  for  some  people  titanium  is  okay  but  then  I  think  it  all  
depends  on  the  constitution  of  that  individual,  their  microbiome,  their  
DNA.  What's  lining  up  with  that?  That's  just  what  some  people  can  have  
mercury  fillings  and  they  can  function  with  it  while  other  people,  it  
might  lead  to  something  like  some  severe  autoimmune  issue.  It's  all  
depending  on  the  terrain  of  the  body  that's  meeting  that  titanium  metal.    

Dave:   Right  now,  we've  got  people  going,  "Oh,  no.  I  have  root  canals,"  like  is  it  
the  end  of  the  world?  That's  one  of  the  reasons  why  you  might  want  to  
pay  attention  to  that.  Let's  talk  about  what  they  can  do  about  it,  like  who  
to  go  to.  I'm  very  skeptical  about  all  this  stuff,  at  least  I  was.  I've  seen  
enough  of  it.  In  my  own  experience,  personally,  and  just  with  clients  and  
just  in  the  world  around  me,  and  anti-­‐aging  and  all.  I'm  not  skeptical  
about  it  anymore.    

  If  you  go  to  an  acupuncturist  or  an  aware  holistic  dentist,  you'll  see  a  
map  of  which  teeth  line  up  to  which  organs.  Now,  the  western  side  of  
that’s  like:  "What  a  bunch  of  superstitious,  religious  BS."  Then  you  go  
back  to  what  happens  in  the  womb  and  you  realize,  "Oh,  wait.  Like  each  
of  these  teeth  is  plugged  into  the  nervous  system.  In  fact,  the  front  four  
teeth  are  derived  from  your  neural  stem  cells,  like  they're  plugged  into  
your  nervous  system  even  more  so  than  others.  If  you  have  a  problem  
with  one  of  your  front  four  teeth,  it  effects  you  neurologically.  These  
maps,  mostly  from  Chinese  acupuncture,  are  pretty  accurate.  If  there's  a  
liver  problem,  this  tooth  is  going  to  be  more  sore.  It  sounds  crazy  except  
there's  actually  evidence  for  it.    

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  I  noticed  that  especially  when  I  was  a  raw  vegan.  I  would  get  this  
incredible  tooth  pain  and  cold  sensitivity  and  all  that  would  map  the  
specific  areas  in  the  body.  It's  just  weird  but  you  could  put  a  laser  on  
that  part  of  the  body  and  the  tooth  would  stop  hurting.  What's  going  on  
with  this?  I  don't  think  it's  all  psychosomatic.  There's  method  to  the  
madness,  so  that  said.  By  the  way,  do  you  subscribe  to  that  theory?    

Nadine:   Absolutely.  I  have  that  chart  in  my  book.  

Dave:   There  you  go.  I  don't  remember  that  page  but  okay.    

Nadine:   It's  there  early  on.  That's  okay.      

Dave:   This  may  be  completely  news  to  you  if  you're  listening  to  this  and  that's  
okay  because  a  lot  of  the  people  just  don't  talk  about  this  or  it  just  seems  
like  too  mystical.  It's  not  mystical  at  all.  It's  just  repeatable.  When  you  
look  at  what's  going  to  happen  when  you  go  to  the  dentist,  how  should  
people  find  a  dentist?  Let's  say  you  want  to  get  checked  out.  You  want  to  
see  if  you  have  safe  fillings.  You  want  to  see  if  those  root  canals  are  
festering  and  harboring  all  sorts  of  stuff  in  them.  How  do  you  find  a  
dentist  who  is  going  to  be  able  to  have  the  level  of  conversation  that  
we're  talking  about?    

Nadine:   That's  a  great  question.  You  know  what?  They  really  do  exist.  
Sometimes  you  might  have  to  travel  for  them.  One  of  the  first  thing  to  
do,  I'd  like  to  recommend  is  called  Hal  Huggins  Institute  because  they  
have  a  list  of  biological  dentists  in  your  area  that  have  trained  with  Hal  
Huggins,  they've  learned  the  protocols.  That  doesn't  mean,  because  I  
know,  I've  also  called  some  of  those  dentists.  They're  not  all  leading-­‐
leading  edge  but  at  least  got  a  good  start.  Then  what  you  have  to  do  is  
call  that  dentist,  that  dentist's  office  and  then  speak  to  the  dentist  and  
ask  questions.    

  In  my  book,  and  actually  I  have  a  free  article  on  our  website,  which  is  all  
the  questions  you  need  to  ask  a  prospective  dentist  to  really  see  if  
they're  very  leading  edge.  For  example,  doctor  Nannally  in  Texas,  people  
fly  in  all  over  the  world  to  see  him.  Recently,  I  talked  to  another  dentist  
who's  in  Canada  and  she  is  so  into  remineralization  and  she  really  gets  

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it.  She's  not  even  filling  teeth  anymore  because  she  really  believes  that  if  
she  empowers  people  to  do  so,  she  won't  need  to  fill  teeth.  She  does  
phone  consult  with  people  all  over  the  world  in  video  calls  and  you  can  
send  her  your  X-­‐rays  and  then  talk  about  it.  I  love  that  even  as  a  first  
step  and  finding  out.    

  My  friend's  5-­‐year  old  went  to  a  normal  pediatrician  dentist.  They're  

like,  "You  know,  we're  gonna  have  to  put  her  under  general  anesthetic.  
She  needs  four  root  canals  and  like  nine  mercury  crowns."  Nine  mercury  
crowns  this  day  in  age  because  they're  easier.  Mercury  is  easier  to  place  
on  children.  She  took  those  X-­‐rays  and  called  the  dentist  and  totally  
different  story  when  you're  working  with  another  dentist.    

  Another  really  good  dentist  is  in  Alberta.  They  use  ozone,  PRP.  They  
actually  buy  our  ozonated  gel  and  sell  it  at  cost  so  that  people  can  afford.  
They  have  a  very  great  practice  and  they  even  like  lowest  costing  dental  
practice  in  Alberta.  They're  awesome.  Can't  remember  the  name  right  
now  but  I  can  always  put  it  up  later.  They  took  the  time  to  talk  to  my  
client  for  half  an  hour.  I  just  feel  like  when  you're  really  finding  the  right  
dentist  they're  so  passionate.  I  really  feel  that  a  dentist  that  really  is  
leading  edge  won't  even  perform  a  root  canal  because  they  really  get  the  
pathology  of  it.    

  If  you  don't  want  to  remove  a  root  canal  because  also  that  is  invasive  as  
well.  A  lot  of  dentists  will  maintain  it  with  the  PRP  injections  and  ozone,  
or  perhaps  it's  not  a  convenient  time  to  take  it  out.  Maybe  you  want  to  
get  pregnant  soon  and  I  wouldn't  necessarily  mess  around.  You  might  
just  want  to  inject  it  with  ozone  and  just  maintain  the  immune  system  
that  way.    

Dave:   That's  a  really  good  answer  and  we'll  put  links  to  those  in  the  show  
notes  so  people  can  find  that.  It  really  matters  which  dentist  you  go  to.  
What  about  fluoride?  What's  your  take  on  that?  

Nadine:   Fluoride,  I  think  the  evidence  is  out  there  if  you  look.  The  side  effects  
are  crazy.  If  side  effects  are  receding  gums,  crumbling  bones,  it  messes  
up  with  your  collagen  synthesis,  it  makes  your  IQ  lower  from  a  higher  
route  study.  The  information  is  so  out  there.  It's  not  good  at  all.  I  mean  

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that's  the  bottom  line.  It's  just  not  good.  It  crumbles  your  teeth.  I  think  
what  we're  not  understanding  to  with  dentistry  is  that  what  most  
dentists  don't  know  is  there's  a  dentinal  lymph  system,  so  every  tooth  
has  a  lymphatic  fluid  and  that's  totally  connected  to  the  parotid  glands  
to  the  hypothalamus.    

  Of  course,  everything  goes  back  to  the  hypothalamus.  Through  the  

hypothalamus  activating  the  parotid  glands  that  are  activated  when  
you're  chewing  nutritive  food.  This  information  goes  down  into  
digestion,  comes  back  up  into  the  teeth.  That's  where  the  roots,  just  like  
tree  roots,  will  draw  up  nutrients  into  the  tooth,  into  the  pulp  chamber,  
then  it  goes  out  onto  the  tooth  enamel  where  it  coalesces  with  the  saliva  
to  remineralize  the  teeth,  to  keep  the  microbiome  healthy.  If  a  cavity  is  
beginning  to  start,  then  it  will  activate  so  that  more  saliva  goes  to  that  
area.    

  Now,  when  we're  eating  a  diet  high  in  sugar,  we're  having  blood  sugar  
spikes,  eating  a  low-­‐fat  diet,  devoid  of  fat  soluble  vitamins  of  A,  D3,  and  
K2,  and  when  we  don't  have  enough  minerals  in  our  diet,  what  happens  
is  this  lymph  system  stagnates  or,  even  worse,  it  can  actually  reverse.  
This  is  how  a  cavity  is  formed.  When  it  reverses,  when  the  dentinal  
lymph  system  reverses,  the  capillaries  in  the  tooth  begin  to  suck  in  
bacteria  and  everything  else  in  the  mouth  like  a  straw.  Rather  than  this  
royal  system  of  the  nutrients  coming  up  into  the  teeth,  it  reverses  and  
then  the  teeth  draw  in  bacteria  into  the  tooth.  That's  how,  that's  the  
genesis  of  cavity  creation.    

  When  we  go  back  and  we  think  about  things  like  fluoride,  antibiotics,  
and  even  chlorine,  if  you're  brushing  your  teeth  with  chlorine,  all  of  
these  things  affect  the  systemic  connection.  It's  actually  supposed  to  
nourish  our  teeth.  Through  there,  you  can  get  crumbling  teeth.  I'm  sure  
you  might  know  about  cipro  or  tetracycline  that  makes  the  teeth  gray  
and  actually,  through  the  fluoroquinolone  antibiotic  group,  teeth  are  
crumbling  out  of  the  mouth.    

Dave:   Those  are  fluoride-­‐containing  antibiotics  for  people  who  haven't  come  
across  those  before.  They  are  known  for  staining  your  teeth  as  well  and  
not  to  mention  causing  bigger  problems.  Now,  I  think  we've  talked  a  lot  

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about  teeth  and  how  foundational  they  are.  If  someone  came  to  you  and  
said,  "All  right.  I'll  have  a,  I  have  a  little  cavity  in  my  kid,"  what  would  
you  tell  him  to  do,  came  to  you,  came  to  consult  with  you?    

Nadine:   Of  course,  we  cannot  treat  or  diagnose  anybody  but  if  it  was  my  own  
kid,  I  would  really  look  at  diet,  keeping  blood  sugar  low,  below  80,  
amping  up  the  fats.  

Dave:   Blood  sugar  always  below  80  even  after  eating?    

Nadine:   Let's  say  about  80.  Maybe  you're  blood  fasting,  fasting  blood  sugar.  
Exactly.  

Dave:   Got  it.    

Nadine:   That's  the  right  word.  Not  having  these  spikes  and  then  really  looking  at  
minerals  because  through  the  work  of  Dr.  Weston  Price,  Dr.  Ralph  
Steinman,  who  discovered  the  dentinal  flow.  He  fouind  that  if  we  up  
magnesium  and  phosphorus  alone,  the  decay  rate  goes  down  by  80%.  
Dr.  Melvin  Page  found  that  when  phosphorus  gets  too  low  in  the  blood  
serum,  cavities  begin  to  form.  I  would  look  at  all  that  stuff  with  diet  for  
remineralizing  the  tooth  and  then  I  would  be  working  with  the  mouth's  
microbiome.  I  would  be  applying  the  serums.  Brushing  the  teeth  but  
literally  pouring  on  the  serums  with  all  those  botanical  biotics  in  them  
everyday.    

Dave:   You  wouldn't  fill  the  tooth?    

Nadine:   No,  I  wouldn't  fill  the  tooth  unless  it  got  to  a  really,  but  hopefully  what  
you  can  do  at  that  point  is  you  can,  a  cavity  is  active  when  it's  mushy.  
That's  how  a  dentist  checks  if  they're  instrument  is  getting  mushy    going  
right  into  the  thing.  Even  in  dental  textbooks,  it  talks  like  in  their  dental  
textbooks  at  school  that  a  cavity  can  be  halted.  Once  you  fill  the  tooth,  
you  have  no  other  option.  That  can  be  like  slippery  slope  because,  as  
you  all  know,  some  of  you  may  have  had  fillings  but  then  20  years  later  
you're  getting  a  crown.  

  When  they  have  to  do  fillings,  even  though  there  are  things  with  lasers  
now  and  there's  a  lot  of  improvements,  they're  drilling  away  healthy  

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tooth,  so  once  you  have  a  filling.  Then  also  no  filling  is  perfect.  There  are  
better  ones,  there  are  ceramic  ones,  there  are  lots  of  the  zirconium  ones.  
You're  putting  something  in  the  body  that  has  BPA  aluminum.  There's  
all  those  issues.    

  If  you  can  get  the  tooth  to  remineralize,  just  like  you  were  able  to  
remineralize  your  teeth,  I  think  what  you  can  see  is  that  the  mouth  is  
actually  alive.  It's  connected  to  our  blood  system.  It's  connected  to  
digestion,  the  actual  core  of  the  tooth.  When  we  can  get  the  body  
activated,  then  we  can  prevent  cavities  because  if  we  just  put  a  filling  on  
it,  then  we're  not  actually  addressing  what  caused  the  cavity  in  the  first  
place.  Then  the  child  in  another  year  might  have  a  few  more.  I  think  it's  
really  good  to  address  it  and  do  all  you  can  to  remineralize  the  tooth  
because  that's  basically  what  it  means  is  that  the  tooth  is  losing  its  
mineral  source.    

Dave:   That's  a  pretty  strong  statement.  You  wouldn't  fill  the  cavity  most  of  the  
time  or  you  wouldn't  recommend  that  your  child  had  it  filled.  That's  
possible.    

Nadine:   Absolutely.    

Dave:   For  people  listening,  most  people  hearing  this  right  now  had  no  idea  
that  you  could  halt  or  reverse  a  cavity.  I  think  that's  really  cool  to  
understand  it.  Your  book  explains  the  lymphatic  flow  in  the  tooth  really  
well.  It's  just  cool.    

  Let's  shift  gears  a  little  bit.  Let's  talk  about  the  other  thing  that  you  do,  
which  is  not  just  teeth  but  it's  beauty.  You  are  one  of  the  other  few  
people  talking  about  vitamin  D  sulfate.  I  had  Stephanie  Seneff  who's  one  
of  the  big  fans  of  that  on  the  show  recently.  We  talked  about  how  you  
need  sunlight  to  make  vitamin  D  sulfate.  You're  talking  about  it  from  a  
beauty  perspective.  What  is  vitamin  D3  sulfate  and  why  do  I  need  it  for  
beautiful  skin?    

Nadine:   Nice  question.  I  love  that  podcast,  by  the  way.  I  love  her  work.  She's  so  
awesome.  We  need  it.  It's  like  so,  because  if  you  think  about  beauty,  
generally  we  think  about  avoiding  the  sun.  I  think  that's  what  we  got  

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going  on  in  this  modern  age  but  we  need  it  because  it  actually,  it  juices  
up  the  body  in  so  many  ways.  Our  skin  was  literally  designed  to  be  
exposed  to  the  sun's  rays.  We  can't  just  take  vitamin  D  and  ignore  the  
sun.  We  need  our  vitamin  D  and  we  need  the  kind  that  we  make  with  
our  blood.  When  the  sun  beams  touch  our  skin,  we  make  the  vitamin  D3  
sulfate,  which  is  water  soluble.  All  the  supplements  are  fat  soluble.  We  
only  have  that  coursing  through  our  body.    

  Then  we  have  health  and  vitality  and  beauty  and  we're  preventing  lots  
of  things  from  happening.  What's  also  important  is  that  we  have  
thousands  of  vitamin  D  receptors  all  over  our  body  and  in  places  where  
the  sun  doesn't  shine.  When  those  vitamin  D  receptors  are  not  filled  
with  vitamin  D3,  then  what  happens  is  bacteria  langhans  come  in.  
There's  this  sticky  bacteria  and  they  literally  shut  down  the  immune  
system.  We  need  to  be  brimming  with  the  sunshine  vitamin  and  we  
need  to  start  early  in  the  spring  if  you're  in  a  nontropical  climate,  sun  
tan  up  until  about  solar  noon.  Try  and  get  20  minutes,  an  hour  in,  flip.    

  What  actually  causes  hyperpigmentation  and  wrinkles,  its  a  few  things.  

Literally  what's  really  bad  is  when  you're  eating  a  diet  high  in  
polyunsaturated  fatty  acids  and  then  being  in  the  sun  and  applying  the  
sunscreen  which  doesn't  allow  us  to  absorb  vitamin  D  at  all.  It  separates  
is  a  UV  ray  from  the  UVB  rays.  I  think  we're  finding  in  some  scientific  
research  is  that  it's  the  UVA  separated  that's  also  a  little  more  than  
damaging.  Let's  say  if  you're  always  driving  and  then  sun  is  hitting  the  
side  of  your  cheek,  you're  getting  through  the  window,  is  causing  the  
separation  of  the  UVA  and  UVB.  We  need  them  together.  Sunscreen  
separates,  windows  separate.  We  need  them  together.  What's  also  
happening  when  you're  wearing  sunscreen  is  your  turning  off  your  
alarm  clock  that's  saying,  "I  have  been  in  the  sun  too  long."    

  We've  got  to  build  up  our  melanin  and  these  things  prevent  the  
hyperpigmentation  and  all  the  aging.  I  think  it's  actually  totally  anti-­‐
aging  to  be  in  the  sun  and  where  you're  really  seeing  aging  happen  fast  
is  with  the  PUFAs,  the  polyunsaturated  fatty  acids  and  glycation,  which  
is  when  you're  eating  basic,  I  mean,  really  simply  put,  it's  just  eating  a  
lot  of  sugar  or  having  a  spiked  blood  sugar  levels.    

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  Back  in  the  twenties,  there  was  a  lot  of  talk  about  how  the  sun  created  
like  beautiful  skin,  prevented  acne.  I  think  it  really  just  works  with  the  
microbiome  and  having  our  skin's  microbiome  be  fully  functional.    

Dave:   With  teeth,  you  talked  about  breast  cancer.  With  beauty  and  skin,  is  
there  a  connection  to  breast  cancer?  What  should  women  do  specifically  
to  avoid  that?    

Nadine:   I  love  talking  about  breast  health  well.    

Dave:   Me  too.    

Nadine:   Why  not.  I  feel  like  there's  a  lot  of  connection  there.  I  always  feel  like  
there's  a  lot  of  patterns  that  are  connected.  Of  course,  there's  a  lot  of  
studies  like  by  Dr.  Garland  that  showed  like,  when  you  have  vitamin  D  
levels  brimming,  you're  50%  less  likely  to  get  breast  cancer.  I  think  
other  things  that's  showing  up,  what  they  found  when  they  analyzed  
cancers  breast  tissue  is  that  100%  of  the  breast  cancer  tissue  had  
mercury,  98%  had  ascomycete  fungus  in  the  breast  tissue,  and  99%  had  
parabens.  I  feel  like  it's  a  whole  mix  of  things  like  lack  of  vitamin  D,  
exposure  to  the  molds  and  grains  and  peanuts  and  food.    

  Then,  with  the  parabens,  we've  got  deodorants  and  all  the  pounds  of  
cosmetics  that  women  apply  every  year  and  that  stuff  doesn't  leave  the  
body.  It  stores  up  in  our  breasts  and  then  why  the  breasts  are  a  little  
more  susceptible,  like  why  is  it  not  happening  in  our  elbow,  then  we're  
often  wearing  bras  which  is  creating  this  lymphedema  in  this  areas.  A  
lot  of  breast  cancer  is  actually  happening  in  the  lateral  part  which  is  
really  the  armpit.    

Dave:   What's  lymphedema  for  people  who  don't  know  that  term?    

Nadine:   It's  like  the  lymph  just  becomes  stagnant  cesspool  basically  and  it's  not  
doing  its  job  of  circulating  and  taking,  removing  the  pollution  from  the  
body.  You  get  like  a  little  stagnant  cesspool  in  the  breast  and  then  the  
breast  is  really  rich  with  fat  and  connective  tissue  so  it  can  store  up  a  lot  
of  toxins.  I  just  feel  like  our  modern  lifestyle  of  no  sun,  wearing  bras,  and  
mercury,  and  then  tons  cosmetics  and  bathing  in  chlorine  and  fluoride.  

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All  of  this  is  creating  this  thing  that  are  making  our  breasts  a  barometer,  
really  showing  us  things  aren't  necessarily  balanced  right  now  in  the  
world.    

Dave:   It's  interesting  that  you  brought  up  that  fungal  connection  to  cancer.  
There  are  hundreds  and  hundreds  of  studies  talking  about  the  
connection  between  mold  and  the  toxins  mold  makes  and  different  
types  of  fungi  in  cancer.  It's  not  all  cancer  is  that  but  there  are  people,  
countless  people  who  take  potent  anti-­‐fungal  drugs  and  have  their  
cancer  resolved.  Every  chemo  chemical  they  use  is  an  anti-­‐fungal  on  top  
of  all  the  other  things  it  does,  like  I  said.  It's  interesting.  I'm  not  saying  
cancer  is  caused  by  fungus.  I'm  just  saying  that  there  are  times  when  it's  
a  major  contributing  factor.  There  are  some  times  when  it  is  caused  by  
fungus.    

Nadine:   I  agree.  I  feel  like  from  other  doctors  what  they  do  show.  The  cancer  
cells  act  like  fungal  spores.  They  love  sugar.  They  love  no  oxygen  and  
they  eat  their  way  through  connective  tissue  the  same  way,  the  fungus  
and  the  cancer,  they  behave  similar.    

Dave:   Let's  talk  about  collagen,  which  is  another  thing  for  beautiful  skin.  What  
can  people  do  to  have  healthy  collagen  in  their  skin?  What's  its  role  on  
the  skin?  What  do  you  do  to  keep  it  there?    

Nadine:   Of  course,  they  can  eat  your  supplement,  which  is  great.    

Dave:   Well  thanks.  I  wasn't  fishing  for  a  plug  there  but  that  was  appreciated.    

Nadine:   Because  there  it  is  and  I  think  it's  a  great  thing  to  add,  just  movies  and  
everything.  Whenever  I'm  thinking  about  anything  for  the  body,  I'm  
really  looking  about  how  I  can  do  the  least  amount  and  create  the  most  
maximizing  situation.  I  like  to  just  have  it  so  simple.  What  can  I  do  that  
my  body  is  self-­‐regenerating  all  on  its  own?  That's  the  way  I  like  to  do  it.    

  I  feel  like  if  I'm  going  to  eat  anyway,  I  might  as  well  be  eating  the  best  
food  because  that's  obviously  going  to  contribute  to  beauty  and  anti-­‐
aging  and  to  my  teeth  health  and  all  that.  I  really  feel  like  we  have  to  eat  
good  amounts  of  protein,  good  amounts  of  amino  acids  because  the  

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collagen  is  like  a  lattice  work  and  it's  holding  up  all  the  tissue  in  the  
body.    

  When  the  skin  starts  to  sag,  then  it  means  we've  lost  some  collagen  in  
our  body.  What's  also  interesting  is  that  there  is  these  enzymes  there  
are  not  good  because  I  mean,  I  usually  associate  the  word  enzyme  as  a  
positive  thing  but  they're  kind  of  these  negative  enzymes.  They  eat  the  
collagen  and  the  elastin  in  the  body.  What's  good  thing  about  essential  
oils  is  they  show  that  they  are,  they  inhibit  those  enzymes  from  eating  
away  the  collagen  and  the  elastin.  I  think  that's  a  huge  beauty  secret  as  
well.    

Dave:   You  just  rub  the  essential  oils  on  the  skin  basically?    

Nadine:   Yeah.  An  essential  oil,  even  though  it  has  the  word  oil  in  it,  it  is  not  oily  
at  all,  which  is  fine  for  a  lot  of  applications.  If  you're  doing  something  
acute  or  if  you  have  a  cut  or  a  burn,  I  would  just  be  putting  on    
peppermint  or  frankincense  straight  on  because  I  want  to  clean  it  and  
get  the  skin  going  back  over.  Once  it's  all  closed  up,  then  I'll  be  diluting  
that  with  a  jojoba,  virgin  coconut  oil,  or  the  MCT  oil.  Then  you're  just  
applying  that  to  your  body  like  as  you  would.  Generally  we  apply  
moisture  to  our  body  any  way  to  help  the  lipid  barrier.  If  you're  going  to  
be  doing  that  anyway,  you're  just,  again,  using  essential  oils  with  the  fat.    

  If  you  eliminate  everything  and  just  use  coconut  oil,  that's  amazing  
because  you  just  eliminated  a  whole  bunch  of  chemicals  from  your  life.  
Then  if  you  want  to  like  take  it  to  the  next  level,  upgrade  it,  and  then  
really  activate  that,  then  you're  going  to  want  to  add  the  essential  oils  
because,  then,  you're  getting  like  the  active  properties  and  the  things  
that  actually  regenerate  cells,  repair  the  cells.    

  Essential  oils  also  show  in  different  studies  that  they're  able  to  inhibit  
the  pathways.  I  can't  remember  the  exact  word,  myelin?  I  think,  the  
pathways  that  basically  where  the  cells  start  acting  abnormally.  The  
essential  oils  inhibit  that  activity  in  the  body  and  they  strengthen  
connective  tissue.  I  just  feel  like  every  year,  there's  more  and  more  as  
science  studies  essential  oils.  They're  so  awesome.    

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Dave:   Nadine,  thanks  for  coming  on  Bulletproof  Radio.  We're  coming  up  on  the  
end  of  the  show.  There's  a  question  that  I'm  really  curious  to  ask  you  
about.  That's,  based  on  all  the  stuff  that  you  know,  which  is  pretty  
broad,  teeth,  skin,  beauty,  and  things  like  that,  and  all  the  other  things  
you've  learned,  what  are  your  top  three  recommendations  for  someone  
who'd  come  to  you  and  say,  "Nadine,  I  wanna  do  better  at  everything.  I  
wanna  kick  more  ass.  What  are  the  three  most  important  things  I  need  
to  know?"    

Nadine:   It's  like  do  I  do  I  answer  philosophically  or  like  scientifically,  I  feel  like  ...  

Dave:   You  can  do  both.    

Nadine:   I  can  do  both.    

Dave:   You  have  three  answers.  

Nadine:   I  feel  like  on  a  level  of  living,  you  want  to  listen  to  those  early  childhood  
fascinations  and  curiosities  and  go  with  those  strengths.  You  want  to  
focus  on  your  strengths.  On  a  living  level,  I  think  it's  so  goes  back  to  
every  morsel  that  we  ingest  is  important.  It's  either  feeding  you  or  it's  
like  taking  away  from  your  health,  Really  maximize  out  on  the  best,  
purest,  everything  that  you're  going  to  be  ingesting  and  have  fun  with  it.  
We're  so  hardcore  pure  but  we  eat  the  best  things  everyday,  from  ice  
cream  to  whatever.  It's  so  good.  Whenever  anybody  comes  over,  they're  
delighted  to  eat  the  crazy  food  that  we  do.    

  Maximize  out  on  purity  because  there's  enough  in  our  lives  that  we  can't  
control,  like  air,  that  kind  of  thing.  Maximize  on  purity  and  then  
maximize  on  purity  on  what  you're  applying  to  your  skin,  so  what  
you're  bathing  in,  what  you're  showering  in,  and  then  what's  going  on  
topically.  Through  there,  I  think  life  will  be  pretty  smooth.    

Dave:   Thank  you  for  that  answer.  Thanks  for  being  on  Bulletproof  Radio.  
Where  can  people  find  out  more  about  your  book  and  about  your  
website?  Where  can  people  find  you?    

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Nadine:   The  book  is  on  our  website  and  Amazon.  Our  website  is  
LivingLibations.com.  Of  course,  we've  got  all  the  regular  channels  like  
Instagram,  YouTube,  and  Facebook.    

Dave:   Excellent.  We'll  put  all  those  in  the  show  notes  so  people  can  get  an  
understanding  of  where  to  find  you  and  all,  to  just  come  check  it  out.  
While  you're  at  it,  if  you  go  to  the  transcript  of  this,  and  this  is  one  of  the  
few  podcasts  like  it  where  we  pay  someone  to  go  through  and  type  
every  one  of  these  words.  We  use  technology  and  all  that.  You  can  
actually  read  everything  that  was  here.  We're  also  the  first  radio  
podcast  of  anywhere  to  use  a  technology  called  SearchPoint,  which  
means  you  can  go  into  the  transcript,  you  can  click  on  anything,  and  
we'll  take  you  directly  to  a  30-­‐second  clip  on  YouTube,  which  means  if  
you  want  to  share  just  a  little  snippet  of  the  conversation,  you  can  do  
that.  It's  remarkable  that  you  can  just  go  there  and  say,  "Wait,  this  isn't  
just  like  what  I  copied  and  pasted.  This  is  actually  what  they  said  and  
how  they  said  it,"  and  you  can  basically  just  go  to  exactly  that  part  in  the  
technology.  That's  pretty  cool.  I'm  really  happy  to  be  like  the  first  beta  
customer  for  that.    

  The  final  thing  that  you  might  be  interested  in  knowing  is  if  you  saw  me  
rocking  back  and  forth  a  little  bit,  this  is  the  Bulletproof  Sleep  Induction  
Mat  which  is  full  of  these  little  spiky  things.  I've  been  standing  on  it  one  
leg  or  the  other  for  most  of  the  podcast  because  it  stimulates  all  these  
acupressure  and  acupuncture  points  on  your  feet,  in  addition  to  helping  
you  go  to  sleep  faster.  Sleep  Induction  Mat  is  on  the  Bulletproof  website.  
Thanks  again  for  listening  to  bulletproof  radio  this  time.  You  know  
where  to  find  us.  Go  out  to  iTunes  and  click  Like  on  there,  leave  a  
comment.  I  really  appreciate  that.  We  actually  read  all  the  comments  
and  I  do  my  best  to  take  it  to  heart  whatever  you  got  to  say.  Have  a  great  
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