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Shortly before they embarked on what turned
cout to Be a phensomenally successful american
Tour with Pront Line Assambly, we spoke with
[What's your current line up?}
Right now. it's myself and David Collings.
[From The Fourth Man.]
That's the guy.
Slightly off the subject, but what is the status of
cM '
“The Fourth Manis sort of on hold forthe moment. |
think there's an album in the can that will probably
Come out at some point this year, But thant now
We're concentrating on the Numb stuff, We've got a
how elbum fo do, and we ve been doing European
touring and we actually made Tt to Japan last
Bocersbor as well, Then afew small things, 100.
We've done a track for tha Operation: Beatbox
‘Compilation that’s coming out fon ReCon}, and we
just uid d remix for Dive two weeks ago. There have
een some other things keeping us busy as wel
working together, concentrating an ive stuf, putting
Together where the new Numb sound villbe.
[How were Europe and Japan?]
Incredible. “Especially Japan. It's one of those
Places Ive always wanted to go to, and itwas one of
those things, You know- get off Instant Culture
Shock
[How was the response there?]
Really good. It was interasting because you're
looking off he stage when you're playing, and you'd
Start fo recognize faces from previous, shows,
People were literally coming on muluplo nights
[That's great!)
Ws a very interesting situation. in North America
‘and Europe, our audience has been primarily male.
maybe 7/30 spite and was compltay reversed
‘overthere.
saad
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(discography
With their new album MMIMMYAQOO
and the departure of founding member
Myk Jung, Testy establish themselves
as a fullfledged band, rather than a
TFS side-project. Moses fills us in.
[How did Testify come about, and what
ig its purpose? Why did you decide to
stress the use of guitarso much?)
‘The Very first motivation was creating
something different, louder, heavier:
The “parents” of Testify were Rascal and
Myk.'of TFS. Formerly, Testify was
thought to be a kind of side-project,
something like a valve for the T'S guys
a sort of musical playground to ‘thy
things that would not fit into the frames
of the classie TFS sounds. Nowadays,
Testify is a sincere bandthing, based on
the works of Myk doing vocals, progs, &
sampling, and M@ses working on guitar,
computor and eampler, taking over most
of the work that Rascal (who left Testify,
in summer‘95) did before. The stress of
the guitars, to meyisa very haturalthing,
because I've allways been a...
metalhead, A shortlistof some of the
Very first records that | called my own
may give an impression where my love
for metal plus electronics is rooted:
Kraftwerk, AC/DC, Gary Numan, Judas
Priest, Ultravox, KISS.
[How did you hook se Fi and
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‘ait themin the future”
| guess that contact came up from our
Mig
American label, Van Richter, and
especially Paul Abramson. . But was it
Paul who asked Beno or was it Beno who.
‘asked Paul? Nevertheless, we sent
them material from the first album and
they did it, They mixed it. Great work
guys!i! Isa pity we never met them.
afterwards. It-should happen at least
this century!
to produce the ext Test
How did that come. about?
How’ closely have you worked: with
them? Can youtellus the title]
We did not workwith the whole band but
with Adam Grossman, theSkrew singer
and guitar player, He|had heard Testy
before and told our label that he was
interested in working with us. Adam
came aver to Germany tottake partin the
production, " We had prepared a
Eollection of 14 or 15 songs before)'so!
that he could choose his favorites to
work on.” He did a. couple of great
things: sometimes prog-additions,
sometimes choir-vocals, a little noisy
guitar solo, arrangement adjustments
and.so on. He really did quite.good
work. | had the immpression, that he
was, Wary close ta the “spirit” of our
music, By the way, | love the, Skrew
material. too. And | like Adam as a
person- quite anice and cool guy.
[What doesthe future hold for Testify?]
Of course the new release (I guess in
June “96), called MMMYAQQOO, ‘Also
live touring in the States if possible, a
deal for Germany & Europe, of course
touring in Germany and Europe, and
maybe some remix work or
Collaberation with other acts (nothing
fixed yet, justideas).[Tell_us about the |
‘somewhat fairoffor, Beneath.)
Hy triad toripus off,
mn came to. the. rescue,
‘usa fair_amount of money,
Jowing us to keep control of the
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society that the
Sexism & Homophobia are completely
outdated. Those who wish to
Perpetuate these uncivilzed acts of
fanorance find themsoives more alone
isolated than they started out. You
can see these resulia from the lowbrow
fevel of Talk Shows. (which have
become such a circus. that eve,
Donahue has given tp, oF been §
out) all the way up’ the. in
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was talking with Jared from
smLab & he was making a joke about
racts, something like clause that
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‘our "First Born Son* & basically the
lachinery contract went that farit!
With insurance policy options on band
members @ us having to ask. tham
permission to play out, Idonttthink its a
Feasonable offer. Tinman gaveus 2s big
an advance as Machinery wouldve
AND ahigherpercentageratet
[How has the response been
result, domestically and abroad?)
YM: Domestically, the press, radio &
ublic response has been grest. Weve
‘getting “positive feedback from
nto California. The distribution Is
jit spotty, but Tinmar’s working on it
re & more people are picking up on
We're curranty talking with,
Finland) "to roloase
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for Women, Human-Rights for
Gays and equal chances for eve
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Yeah, The shows were moderate sizo-
glubs that hold mayve 200 people. We
ddid four shows in Tokyo this time, and
‘we'vebeen askad back or allot 96
[illthe pew album be out before the
Stour?)
No. fm sort of aiming for... hopefully
fall. There's goingto be alive sioum wa
recorded in Jepan coming out at some
point this surnmer, and Christroeiste'
[ustaboutto be relssued, Itiibe out just
‘n time forthe tour. That's beom out of
printfors few yearsnowinthe US
[With the Bliss single?]
Yeah, It’s all turown on to one with
Soménew artworkand stuf hike that,
[ors you doing lot of rom work
now you aise did. Deathlineg
Uincornatfonet
Yes. We've been doing quite a bit of it
actully. | cid something for Christian
Death, actually last year.
[For Death in Detroit.)
I id that. There was a strange one that
‘came up. There was a Canadian sort of
9B bard that got mysell and. Kan
(Hiwatt) Marshall do a rembxtor thom,
[Who's that?]
doubt you know them. They're called
Spirit Of The West.
No}
They're sort of more mainstream, and
‘thoy wanted someone to come in and
do a messed up version of ane of their
songs.
[How diditcome out?)
Messed up (al laugh we walked rightin
Yo that onel., And it was interesting
‘because here's my litle contribution to
the SUBVERSION: i was out of Warner
Brothers Canada, So that was kind of
funny.
[OK. weve got a sort of typical
Interview type question. Can "you
describe the evolution of Numb over
the years, 9s musicians, individuals,
fand a3 a band, taking in to account the
lineup changes?)
fs. actualy quite simple. Tre very
earliest ingarnations of Numb were
‘more sort of performance art. Kind of
{olf indulgent noico experiments. That
‘grew into...by the imo the rst eassatte
Gamo oul, “i had. become more
structured, and it seamed tke, ie was
‘going tobe aband, As that dissipated, |
‘alized that | was more interested in
having @ stuation where | could bring
eople in and out based on the skils
that they hed that might ft what Fas
tryingto do, Itworks
man lan wi wien Rnd ot
approach.” I sil rst parson, but In
the senee of somebody who 1s more
‘ienated trom society but stil a part of
that society." I's a somewnat moro,
Yyou wil intellectual
Spain Ws somoumat
10 the word. emotional, Where the
nextone fs going tobe, stil mepring
[Would you consider them
Conceptual
I's @ word | would want 1 use, but
thore's an olomant of that fn fe The
Slur are thought of a enties. Ym
otealyauatanct damming open
Songs and saving. “Here i.
Album Or even worse 8 variations of
the same sang” An alburh to me hae
always been someting tt hos 9 sat
and frien evolves through the
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Genrer ae
Yeah, The D.1's dor't like you very
‘much, but atthe end ofthe day, loaves
‘You witha body of work thats got more
tito it." My tastes heve never Boon
vory gonre specific. Is sort of love and
hate Bvorything. | cont say, “Industral
fules" and. this is. all that, matter,”
Gecaysel dont beheve that thnkthat
ifyourre only exposed to one thing. nd
thle goes beyond musi, you e80 up
with'a rather myopic view that Keepsgetting narrower and na
Justsortofcannibalizesit
{Can ask what the ast recording you
poughtwas?]
‘Actually, | Just got that Jarboe CD,
Sacrificial Cake." | was really. quits
Surprised. |usedtoike ‘he old Swans,
thought this CD hasarealy good
moodtart
[What other artists do you respect oF
enjoy?
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{wnat leo nave you worked on
We've done some soundtrack work.
Over the next year, I definitely want to,
roaden the Numb thing into thet area,
That's ¢ whole differant style of writing
altogether,
[Have you ralascad any of that?)
No and hors gomothing fd ral ka
todo. lean find the, eto
compile all th
ras been sed in shortfims, and some
ther stuf which has been written but
‘ot used. It isnt going to sound! like
"Numb," but there will be elements of
consistency. its certainly “coming
from some emotional void, you:
[How ong have you been workin
wth bavidey 7
We've been doing studio stuff for
about 6 months now.
le be handling vocals on the
new sibumel a
Yup. Andtheysound great.
[rmsure they do]
Ho's definitely got a vicious edge to
howhedalvefethe mater.
[Can yougiveus atentative title?)
Um, no. We haven't sorted that out
vet. That's usually the last thing- 5
‘ninutas before the artwork
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t fy spprette you timasand than
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Sndmaybe zee you guysin Now York
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Maseopols Records
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MH: Out of a desire to
experienced in our prion, my
Rhat we caught. No limits
in all roapocta,
‘much so that by 1993's Technological Optimism EF you had enlisted the
production skills of SMG mainman Chris Randall. How did that come
‘about, and how did you work together?]
MV: We knew Chris from the NY:industrial-club scene, primarily at the
Limelight, we got to talking. He had just been signed to WaxTrax & we
‘anxious t6 get into some production work. As we were there atthe time &
‘wanting someone outside to produce. He brought in some of that
Woxrtax sound several sessions later he Ep 8 core OF
{Around that tim
Germany's influer ry label. What caused you to release
Celebrate The Enemy on an American labelinstead?)
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They wantedtne oxi ightato everyting, Rwasthetypeot contest
ou expect ‘rom Capital
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lectronics, and charted numerous hits in their German fatherland. Long betore metal
{industrial was in vogue, TFS were paving the way. Now, theyre setting the new standard,
[Being the vetrane that you are, how do you feel
Stectrome music has dvolved overs tte. past
‘decade? How ‘do’ you Tee! that evolution ties
‘fected your}
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Over the year, Vuz Records has unleashed on the world such bands as the already
legendary Warn
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there's a whole lot more to the story. ‘Read on as Hoger brings us from Vas inception
‘over a decad
190, through to his brand new label establishment, Cat's Heaven, and the
recent collaberation with america's own Arts industria,
{lfm not mistaken, Vuz Records started as
@ mall-order service. What compelled you
fostartroleasing music?)
Actuolly al started o very longtime ago (ca.
1963) vihen | was Involved in the industial
{ape seono. ‘Thanks to the internatonsl
Iatwork I got hold af tots of interesting tapes
hich | cluinbuted and soon sara
Tolease tapes of my own musical projects.
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apprenticeship, etc) '" paused for seme
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Interesting music of DARPA. | found i
first artist and we. ploned to release a Cl
minialbur, Then heard the frst Wumpscut
Gemos and aftr contacting him, Idecided to
Telease his debut too. At fst we planned to
Tolease a whole series of 8 CD minialbums,
Butthon the dee ofthe NFE series was bor:
Why noticompile these miniaioums on one
Feguiar CO, etfering more_musie for the
Toney? From thenon, one came tothe other
and thelabel developed and grew.
{What do you generally 1ook for in bands
that you consider signing?)
Fratof of Thave tie the music! | could
release anything that T'do not like
‘Another point athe personal contact
withthe artat. think tis very important to
Rave tho same wavelengthyctherwie it's
Quite difficult to work together over period
Pisome year, Sobesides toi cutput also
have to lke the person(s) behind the music
[Can you explain the numerous
collaborations Vuz is involved in, mcluding
the recent partnership with Arté Industria
fverhere inthe US?)
Well, we have e lot of contacts from which
various collaborations result (rom jot
Teleases as the “In The Butchers Backyard
Eomplation to distrinution agreements 35
with Ars Industria). When (am in's good,
Contact with somebody, try to help witere
fan and'it'is also the ther way round,
Working with other people alse makes things
easier Yeu haves lotrmore eas ane ipa
and’ lotof addtional contac.
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fli imitedeatons andor wl
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format tog mich. lis easy to hancle and ft
matches the.norm, but rom the artistic side
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Something inspecal packaging tosatchy out
esthetic demonds, Basides that Tama
he of the hunters and colisctors and
Special limited editions. So the step to
release ‘rimited editions myself was just a
Smalfone.
[flu bout your now sublabe, Cats
ven is nota sublabel but a labo! of
iis own. tis dodieated to the more darker
Side” of musie, which, includes ituaicte,
ambient, trance, “and industria influenced
material. [found t necessary to make a cloar
Split between ine more elettronie releases
eh VUz"and the ‘more industri! fin the
sical senso} releases on Cats Heaven
{We do not work with bigger distributors, we
gr roe 13 experiment ih al sors ot
dealing with CD releases and ‘ts sublabels
‘Ghat Noir vinyl, MEW (tape) and Spirit Of
Sound Source’ (tape) also “offer other
mats
hat, does the future hold for Vuz
87
Gniy'so0d things, hope. We have some bi
plans, but I-have to"sse how everything
Gevelops before | can make any definite
Gecisions. VUZistilasmalllabel whichhas
‘hard time surviving in this pool of sharks
Called music business.
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