Çré Caitanya-caritämåta,

Madhya-lélä 20.100–118
—
November 30, 1966, New York

661130CC-NEW YORK [28:49 Minutes]

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Prabhupäda: [tapping on microphone].

No, no.

eka-deça-sthitasyägner
jyotsnä vistäriëé yathä
parasya brahmaëaùçaktis
tathedam akhilaà jagat
[Cc Madhya 20.110]

[Just as the illumination of a fire, which is situated in one place, is spread all
over, the energies of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Para-brahman, are
spread all over this universe.]

Akhilaà jagat. All universal manifestation that you are seeing. They are all
expansion of the energy. The example is just like the fire expands by his heat,
fire expands by his light. Similarly, paräsya çaktir vividhaiva çrüyate
[Çvetäçvatara Upaniñad 6.8] the Supreme Lord has various multi-energies and
they are displaying. So, one should understand the existence of the Supreme
Lord by experience of the expansion of His energy. And His energy and He is
not different. Therefore, a self-realised person can see God everywhere.

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Because everywhere His energy is expanded so whenever he sees the energy or
experiences the energy, he sees God.

So, this point we have tried to explain yesterday. Now Lord Caitanya says:

kåñëera sväbhävika tina-çakti-pariëati

cic-chakti, jéva-çakti, ära mäyä-çakti
[Cc Madhya 20.111]

[Lord Kåñëa naturally has three energetic transformations, and these are
known as the spiritual potency, the living entity potency and the illusory
potency.]

Now there are innumerable energies but all of them have been simplified into
three divisions. And what are they? Cic-chakti—spiritual energy that's His first
energy. Of which you have simply a little experience—the living entity. The
living entity is a sample of the spiritual energy. And cic-chakti, jéva-çaktis,
jéva-çakti these living entities they are also energy. And mäyä-çakti, mäyä-çakti
means this material energy. So, and he is giving evidence from the same Viñëu
Puräëa.

viñëu-çaktiù parä proktä

kñetrajïäkhyä tathä parä
avidyä-karma-saàjïänyä
tåtéyäçaktir iñyate
[Viñëu Puräëa 6.7.61 & Cc Madhya 20.112]

[Originally, Kåñëa’s energy is spiritual, and the energy known as the living
entity is also spiritual. However, there is another energy, called illusion, which
consists of fruitive activity. That is the Lord’s third potency.]

Avidyä-karma-saàjïänyä. The spiritual energy and the marginal energy of the

same quality but this material energy is avidyä. Avidyä means ignorance, full of

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ignorance. Avidyä-karma-saàjïänyä, karma-saàjïänyä means when you put
into this material energy always remember that jéva-çakti or the living entities
they are marginal potency. So sometimes they fall in the material energy. Not
sometimes fall it has got the tendency, it is prone to fall down.

There are innumerable living entities in the spiritual energy they never fall
down. Never fall down. Just like in the ocean, ocean there are innumerable
aquatics, so they never come to the rivers. River cannot provide them, they are
so big the aquatics in the ocean there are so big fishes that a river cannot
provide them. There is no place in the river. So, there is no need of coming
here. So similarly, in the spiritual energy exactly. Just ah, take the comparison.
Just in this material energy we are innumerable living entities here we are
living. Similarly, they are only fragments on the total of the living entities. The
living entities which we see in this material world they are only a simple
fragments. There are millions of times more than, liberated soul in the spiritual
world.

So, they never come here, they never come here. So, they are so much
experienced. They are so much full of knowledge by association of the Supreme
Lord that they never come here. But when there is order, a special, of the Lord
to come here they come. Just like incarnations or çaktyäveça-avatära. There are
many different types of incarnations we shall discuss in this discussion
between Lord Caitanya and Sanätana Gosvämé. Lord Caitanya He will explain
how many different kinds of incarnations are there.

So, some of the living entities there they come down here in this material
world as çaktyäveça-avatära. Çaktyäveça-avatära means empowered with
chart[?], with chartered[?] by the power, empowered by the Supreme Lord they
come here. Why they come here? To execute the mission of the Lord, to
reclaim these fallen souls.

Sometimes God Himself also comes, sometimes His incarnation comes. So,

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there are innumerable universes so according to the will, according to the
desire, according to the plan of the Supreme Lord they come. But generally, so
far on their own account they never come. That jéva-çakti and mäyä-çakti. This
mäyä-çakti, so mäyä-çakti is the described here avidyä-karma-saàjïänyä. Here
in the material energy you have to struggle for existence. Therefore, it is called
karma-saàjïänyä nobody can live here peacefully without working. This is the
sign of material energy. In the spiritual energy there is no such thing. That you
have to work and then eat. There is no question of eating and there is no
question of working. Everything is complete there. So, we have no imagination
just now we can understand from the description of the çästra that there is no
influence of time or there is no influence of these planets and there is no need
of sunshine. There is no need of moonshine, they are not hungry, they are not
passionate, they don't beget children. So many things there are. But now we
are now we cannot imagine because just the opposite, this is only perverted
reflection. So, we cannot imagine but we have to understand from
authoritative scriptures about the description of the spiritual world. There,
there is no such struggle. There is no birth death, old age and struggle.

So, this, this material energy, there is struggle, karma-saàjïänyä.

Karma-saàjïänyä, and here everyone has to work. Beginning from the
first-class highest creature Brahmä down to the ant, a small germ. Everyone is
working struggling hard for existence. This is the sign of the material world.
Even one in the highest planet, oh you have to work. Even you are president
you have to work and even you are ant you have to work. The elephant has to
work for securing a 100 pounds of foodstuff each time and the ant he has to
work for securing a grain of sugar. Not that, oh I required only a grain of sugar,
it may come. There is a nice example in the Hitopadeça from which Aesop's
Fable is translated. So that Hitopadeça Sanskrit there is a story of lion. So, the
lion began to sleep, that "I am the King of the forest everyone will come," so he
stopped.

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 nahi suptasya siàhasya
praviçanti mukhe mågäù
[Hitopadeça 36]

Even if you are lion, if you are as powerful as lion still it is not possible that you
can eat without work. That is the law here, material energy. The spiritual
energy just the opposite. There is no question of working.

avidyä-karma-saàjïänyä
tåtéyäçaktir iñyate
[Viñëu Puräëa 6.7.61 & Cc Madhya 20.112]

[Originally, Kåñëa’s energy is spiritual, and the energy known as the living
entity is also spiritual. However, there is another energy, called illusion, which
consists of fruitive activity. That is the Lord’s third potency.]

çaktayaù sarva-bhävänäm
acintya-jïäna-gocaräù
[Viñëu Puräëa 1.3.2 & Cc Madhya 20.113]

[All the creative energies, which are inconceivable to a common man, exist
in the Supreme Absolute Truth. These inconceivable energies act in the
process of creation, maintenance and annihilation. O chief of the ascetics, just
as there are two energies possessed by fire—namely heat and light—these
inconceivable creative energies are the natural characteristics of the Absolute
Truth.]

So similarly, there are many energies in the Supreme Lord which are not
conceivable by our limited speculative power. Çaktayaù sarva-bhävänäm acintya
çakti. Acintya çakti, acintya means you cannot conceive how many varieties of
energies are there.

yato 'to brahmaëas täs tu

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 sargädyä bhäva-çaktayaù
bhavanti tapatäàçreñöha
pävakasya yathoñëatä
[Viñëu Puräëa 1.3.2 & Cc Madhya 20.113]

So, because He has got inconceivable energy therefore, we cannot calculate

how things are happening. Take, take for example how this planets are floating
in the air. We haven't calculated law of gravitation and so many things, that's
somehow have adjusted. But is it not wonderful that such huge lump of water
and earth so many planets they are floating in the air just like cotton swabs?
How can we adjust, we can pull some theory, but you cannot create? You
cannot float even a needle in the air. It will at once fall down. Or it can go up,
it cannot go up. That is not in your power, so how you can conceive. You can
see daily even in this material world so many wonderful things and still you
think that you're God. For only which you cannot touch even!

So here it is stated that brahmaëas täs tu, bhavanti tapatäàçreñöha pävakasya

yathoñëatä. Again, the same example, just like you do not know, what is the
amount of temperature in the sun. Now it is 90 millions of miles away from this
earth. Still when the sun is too hot you cannot bear the temperature. So, you
cannot understand what is the amount of temperature in the sun disc.
Actually, there is. You can simply think, that so many miles away if somebody
goes, he will be at once burned. But actually, there are living entities also
because you cannot say that there cannot live living entities. Because in the
Bhagavad-gétäyou have understood that the living entities, spiritual sparks they
are never burned. adaù äjyam[?], adaù äjyam[?] the material fire cannot burn so
there is no. And the reason to disbelieve that there are no living entities. Now
how the living entities are there in the sun planet that is not conceivable by us.
So, every power, every wonderful things in this material world only. There are
many other wonderful things in the spiritual world. They are all being carried
out by the superior energy, inconceivable energy of the Supreme Lord. [Sound

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of page turning]

yayä kñetra-jïa-çaktiù sä
veñöitä nåpa sarva-gä
saàsära-täpän akhilän
aväpnoty atra santatän
[Viñëu Puräëa 6.7.62, Cc Madhya 20.114]

[O King, the kñetra-jïa-çakti is the living entity. Although he has the

facility to live in either the material or the spiritual world, he suffers the
threefold miseries of material existence because he is influenced by the avidyä
[nescience] potency, which covers his constitutional position.]

tayä tirohitatväc ca
çaktiù kñetra-jïa-saàjïitä
sarva-bhüteñu bhü-päla
täratamyena vartate
[Viñëu Puräëa 6.7.63, Cc Madhya 20.115]

So, Lord Caitanya said in the beginning that a living entity is constitutionally
eternal servitor of the Supreme Lord. That is the fact. Now he is entrapped by
this material energy and struggling hard for existence. Because material energy
is meant for that.
[This living entity, covered by the influence of nescience, exists in different
forms in the material condition. O King, he is thus proportionately freed from
the influence of the material energy, to greater or lesser degrees.]

yayä kñetra-jïa-çaktiù sä
veñöitä nåpa sarva-gä
[Viñëu Puräëa 6.7.62, Cc Madhya 20.114]

So, these living entities they are spread all over this material energy.

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Saàsära-täpän akhilän aväpnoty ... [Cc Madhya 20.114] And they, being
entangled by this material energy. They are suffering, tapaù— different kinds
of miseries. Different kinds of miseries. Hm, but they have become so dull that
they. They do not think that they are under miseries. They think that we are
advanced in happiness. Although factually they are suffering this is called
illusion. That there are so many sufferings, just as so many times we have
discussed this point. Sufferings due to natural disturbance, suffering due to
treatment with other entities, suffering due to this body. Suffering due to this
mind, suffering of death, suffering of birth, suffering of old age, suffering of
diseases. We are surrounded by all sufferings and still we are silent, that we are
very happy. This is called illusion.

So, this illusion will be, I mean, clear. With a proportionately as you become
advanced in Kåñëa consciousness. Otherwise there is no other way. Otherwise
you will be kept in that illusion for millions and millions of births, he will not
understand that he is suffering. He will think, in the suffering he will think,
"Yeah I am happy." Foolishness. Just like the hog if you ask him, "Oh why you
are living in a filthy place? Why you are eating stool? You come I shall give you
nice place." It will say, "No, I am very happy, I am very happy."

So nowhere, this is, this is called the illusion. Nobody will say that I am
unhappy. If you go to the Bowery street and ask the drunkard's lying on the
footpath, "Oh why you are suffering?" " Oh, I am not suffering, I am enjoying."
Similarly, "I am enjoying this intoxication, that intoxication," they will never
accept.

The other day one girl came, she was talking, still she did not agree that we are
suffering. LSD girl. [laughs] This is illusion, illusion. They are suffering in every
step, every step. There is suffering full up. When you, when you get on a motor
car, oh you, you, you are in a suffering car, you do not know when it will. There
will be an accident. You do not know when there will be an accident in the
aeroplane, in the train. There is no guarantee. So, you are always in this

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suffering, but we are under the illusion of this material energy. We are happy.
So, this illusion can be moved gradually in the proportionate. This sufferings
are also. There are degrees. My sufferings may be greater than your suffering.
Your suffering may be greater than somebody else. So anyway, there are the
whole material world will see there are sufferings but there are degrees, degrees.
But that degrees:

saàsära-täpän akhilän
aväpnoty atra santatän
tayä tirohitatväc ca
[Viñëu Puräëa 6.7.62-63, Cc Madhya 20.114–115]

So as, as much as you will be out of this material entanglement. Sarva-bhüteñu,

so similarly you will be free from this sufferings. And as soon as you are fully in
Kåñëa consciousness, you are fully engaged in the transcendental service of the
Lord then you are free.

daivé hy eñä guëamayé

mama mäyä duratyayä
mäm eva ye prapadyante
mäyäm etäà taranti te
[Bg 7.14]

[This divine energy of Mine, consisting of the three modes of material

nature, is difficult to overcome. But those who have surrendered unto Me can
easily cross beyond it.]

There is prapadyante—the surrender. The surrender to the Lord, the

proportionate surrender to the Lord. Will make you away from these degrees of
sufferings. Otherwise there is no..... [coughs]

So again, Lord Caitanya quotes one verse from Bhagavad-gétä:

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 apareyam itas tv anyäà
prakåtià viddhi me paräm
[Bg 7.5]

[Besides this inferior nature, O mighty-armed Arjuna, there is a superior

energy of Mine, which are all living entities who are struggling with material
nature and are sustaining the universe.]

As it is stated in the Bhagavad-gétäthe Lord says that above this material

energy there is another superior energy. Jéva-bhütäà mahä-bäho, there they are
living entities, superior. Yayedaà dhäryate jagat, those who are carrying on the
activities of the material world. Therefore they are superior beings.

kåñëa bhuli' sei jéva anädi-bahirmukha

ataeva mäyä täre deya saàsära-duùkha
[Cc Madhya 20.117]

[Forgetting Kåñëa, the living entity has been attracted by the external
feature from time immemorial. Therefore the illusory energy [mäyä] gives him
all kinds of misery in his material existence.]

Now the question is why these material energies created or there is, so that it is
meant for giving trouble and miseries to the living entities. The question is
answered by Lord Caitanya that kåñëa bhuli' sei jéva anädi-bahirmukha. When
the living entity forgets his eternal relationship with Kåñëa then the suffering
begins. Kåñëa does not create the sufferings of these living entities but when
he forgets Kåñëa. When he forgets God, the suffering begins. That is the law of
nature. Just like when a person commits theft, he at once becomes under the
custody of police. If that foolish person enquires, "Oh why this police force has
been created?" A police force is there, for you it is created. Because God knows
that there will be misuse of independence, misuse of consciousness therefore
He has very kindly created this. "All right you can enjoy your misuse of

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independence." The suffering we have created, as soon as we forget. Kåñëa
bhuliya, there is another verse:

kåñëa bhuliya jéva bhoga väïchä kare

päçate mäyä täre jäpaöiyä dhare
[Prema-vivarta 6.2]

[When an individual soul forgets his eternal relationship with God and tries
to lord it over the material nature or resources, that condition, that forgetful
condition, is called mäyä, or illusion.]

The mäyä the material energy is there because God is there. Therefore, his
energy is there. So, if you want to imitate. To become an imitation God, "I will
be Lord, I will be the Lord of all I survey." Then this imitation material energy
is given to you. Just like the child, the child. The example I have given several
times. Is disturbing mother, "I shall cook." The mother gives him some false
cooking materials. "All right you do it, yes." So similarly, as soon as we want to
be imitation God. That imitation God consciousness still goes on even after
many, many years. Many, many births, philosophical speculation. He still
thinks that I am God. That is the power of illusion. So as soon as we forget our
constitutional position and relationship with God the mäyä is there.

Here Lord Caitanya says, kåñëa bhuli' sei jéva anädi-bahirmukha [C.c. Madhya
20.117]. Bahirmukha[?]—is aversed, so long he is aversed to God, so long he has
to suffer. There is no other way out.

Ataeva mäyä täre deya saàsära-duùkha, because he has forgotten his eternal
relationship with God therefore the material sufferings are imposed upon him.
And how is that suffering? Now it is said:

kabhu svarge uöhäya, kabhu narake òubäya

daëòya-jane räjä yena nadéte cubäya

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 [Cc Madhya 20.118]

[In the material condition, the living entity is sometimes raised to higher
planetary systems and material prosperity and sometimes drowned in a hellish
situation. His state is exactly like that of a criminal whom a king punishes by
submerging him in water and then raising him again from the water.]

Now these sufferings, within this suffering sometimes we are going to the
higher planet. Svarge—heaven, heavenly planet. And because in the material
world people have got conception that heaven is very happy place. Just like
that now trying to go to the moon planet. Moon planet is considered one of the
heavenly planets according to Vedic literature. So, tendency. Why they are
travelling? The tendency. Because we want improvement, so they are thinking
that going to the moon planet we shall improve. This is dictation of nature,
"Allright you come to the moon planet you will be more happy."

So, they are suffering, that is also another suffering. That foolishness that he is
trying to go to the moon planet [laughs] that is another suffering. They prepare
a sputnik and unnecessarily create some machinery and spoil time and waste
time and go hither and there and come back again. Come back again. Simply
wasting time. So, this is another suffering. But foolish creature they do not
know they are thinking still that they are improving. He is suffering but he is
thinking that I am improving. It is going on. So, by that suffering he sometimes
goes up. It is said clearly kabhu svarge uöhäya. He sometimes goes to the
heavenly planets and kabhu narake òubäya. And sometimes goes to the hell.
There is hellish planet also.

So:

kabhu svarge uöhäya, kabhu narake òubäya

daëòya-jane räjä yena nadéte cubäya
[Cc Madhya 20.118]

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This is just like a culprit is drowned into the river, it is something like that.
And this example is very nice. Perhaps you have no information formerly in
India there was crude and sufferings for the culprit. The culprit would be taken
on a boat in the mid-water of the river and he will be drowned. By catching his
hair, he will be drowned. He will be not let go simply he will be drowned. And
when he will be suffocated, too much suffocated then it will be raised little
more and then he will breathe, and he will feel something relief. "Oh please sir,
please do not drown me, unness… I will never do in this life." Then when he is
a little strong then again drown, again drown. In this way putting down,
putting down, putting down. So, we are in that way, we are thinking now I am
relieved, relieved. Now I am in the moon planet, oh I am relieved, again come
to the hell. Yes, this is going on. So, all these planets do not say they are
vacant. Just like we are travelling, sometimes in America, sometimes in India,
sometimes in Honolulu. Something else. Czechoslovakia. Similarly, we are
travelling in other planets also, sarva-ga. We are travelling different planets
and we are thinking we are happy, happy. Travelling and suffering but still we
are thinking happy. So:

kabhu svarge uöhäya, kabhu narake òubäya

daëòya-jane räjä yena nadéte cubäya
[Cc Madhya 20.118]

So, these are our happiness is just like that. A man who is drowned and again
taken up, drowned and taken up, drowned and taken up.

Thank you very much.

This is our civilisation.

Any question?

[Noise of traffic] [End]

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