It really highlighted the problem of centralized medicine, centralized government,

centralized money, because all of those things were really tied to what happened in
the pandemic.
Instead of trying to fix it within, you have to blow the whole system up.
We have to teach people in decentralized medicine how to be autodidact.
We also, single most important job for me, if you know anything about the roots of
words,
I'm a surgeon. Surgeon in Latin means to teach. There is a reason through human
civilization
that we've defaulted to centralized systems. Why? Because humans like a top-down
control system.
There is no centralization in the ocean at all. There's order, but the order is
decentralized
order. Your podcast is going to get the next step. I want every Bitcoiner to
remember,
Satoshi did the first transfer to Hal Finney. I believe that Satoshi Nakamoto was
targeted by
DARPA. Why? Because they knew who he was and what he was doing. Here's the part
that nobody's put
together yet. No, I don't want people around me that aren't fully decentralized
savages.
The way people think, in my opinion, is even more important than self-custody.
But I look to the mountain and you look to the water and say, today,
do I want to be more like an obedient idiot or do I want to be more like a savage?
We will always come together. Why? We will find each other through molecular
resonance.
The game never changes. It's always a casino and if you don't have Bitcoin, you
lose. Simple as that.
Guys, welcome back to another show today. I'm here with neurosurgeon Jack. You have
over 30
years of experience and you've been D platform for over 20 years. We have a lot to
talk about,
but before we jump into it, how are you doing today? I'm doing good. Just woke up,
enjoyed the sunrise. It's a beautiful day here in paradise, 13 North Latitude.
For those of whom that don't know you, do you mind to give us a quick intro and
tell us a
little bit about yourself? Yeah, I'm a board certified neurosurgeon in the United
States.
I've been on a long journey myself. Some interesting things happened to me early in
my
journey. Before I was a doctor, I ran into several people that were very prominent
in the New York
banking scene and they taught me everything I needed to learn about fractional
reserve banking.
And then I crashed into college, decided that I was either going to play
professional sports
or be a doctor. I decided to go the doctor route, a boy from New York City, a poor
boy from New York
City and the richest city in the world started to learn a true appreciation about
what money really
was because the wounds of New York City create a lot of wisdom. And when I went to
New Orleans,
which is the oldest part of the United States for a guy from Italy like you, that's
kind of a joke
because it's only about 303 years old. But most Americans consider New Orleans like
a third world
country inside the United States. So it was kind of an eye opener. But after being
there for six
months, I started to realize that New Orleans had some things in it that I would
have never
experienced if I stayed in New York. And one of those things was Oliver Stone
filming JFK
in the basement when I was an intern and then had an opportunity to go to another
hospital
where a very big incident happened in the 20th century, probably the biggest
medical mistake
called the cutter incident, which I don't think a lot of people in Europe know too
much about.
And over that time span, became a neurosurgeon, went into private practice. I was
out in private
practice after I'd say maybe five years and started to realize that everything that
they
taught me in medical school and residency, I needed to not trust. It was very, very
similar
to the Bitcoin ethos where do not trust, verify. So I went on a journey for 18
months, actually
while I was in Italy, believe it or not, at the foot of Michelangelo statue is
where the story in
my mind all came together. And I realized that instead of focusing on nuclear DNA,
big pharma
ideas that I needed to decentralize my practice, I needed to understand what
fundamentally
got people better. And it turned out it was light water and magnetism, those three
legged stool.
I would tell people that's probably the white paper for decentralized medicine. And
then
after 18 months of going back to the medical school library and laying out this
thesis in
a document, technically, I guess you would call my quilt document on my website, my
white paper
for decentralized medicine. And then I started to put the theory to practice and
started doing it
and put the information out free, kind of like you told me about your story. You
decided
to start doing podcasting to help people out. Well, I said, you know what, I think
I'm just
going to put this out there. And I never expected to become popular on the internet
20 years ago,
but because some of my ideas were so radical compared to central ideas in medicine,
it gained
traction. But where I think things really changed, the thing that we all
experienced
together five years ago, called the plandemic, that's when I think my ideas became
mainstream
because it really highlighted the problem of centralized medicine, centralized
government,
centralized money, because all of those things were really tied to what happened in
the pandemic.
And then people really got very interested in my work, so much so interested that
one of my clients and members pulled me back onto the global stage and said, Hey,
I'd like you to come on my podcast. His name's Rick Rubin. And I want you to talk
to Andrew
Uberman. And I was very reluctant to do it because the story that I told you about
me,
there was some very clandestine covert things that my government was involved with
that could
cause a lot of problems. And I just didn't know if I wanted to talk about it. And
of course,
over two years, I'd say over probably 50 podcasts, I've been dropping breadcrumbs
for that story.
And you told me that you crashed into it because you listened to the breed love
interview, which
was a four part of that was done in December of 24. And I just did a pretty big ass
kicker
podcast with Marty bent that really opened people's eyes because it also had some
of the
nuggets about Bitcoin that I didn't talk to Robert about, predominantly because we
didn't
go down that route. And the way I do podcasts is it's your podcast, it's your gig,
you get to ask
the questions, what you ask, we'll talk about. If you don't ask, you ain't getting
it. That's Jack
Courouge. I love it. Thank you so much for the lovely intro. Can we really
decentralize medicine?
What do you think? Well, I think we can. The problem is,
to do it properly, you have to follow Buckminster Fuller's ideas. Instead of trying
to fix it within,
you have to blow the whole system up. And blowing the system up, when you talk to
patients about
this, they think that it's blowing up hospitals, bylaws, paradigm, big pharma. It's
not just that.
You have to remember, you actually have to blow up what patients have come to
expect
from centralized medicine. For example, most patients come to see a doctor with an
ear
infection, they expect to leave with a prescription for antibiotics. Well, that's
not what's going to
happen in decentralized medicine. And when that expectation is popped, patients
will be like,
wait a minute, I don't know, I think this guy's a quack, he's this and that. Well,
guess what?
If you don't follow the algorithm in Bitcoin, you're a ****-coiner. If you don't
follow the
algorithm in decentralized medicine, you get defaulted back to the sausage grinder
that's
allopathic medicine, functional medicine, or some other version of a half truth.
And that's what it
comes down to. In other words, patients have a lot more responsibility in
decentralized medicine.
And the thing is, we have to teach people in decentralized medicine how to be
autodidact.
Single most important job for me, if you know anything about the roots of words,
I'm a surgeon.
Surgeon in Latin means to teach. So I teach. All you have to do is go on my Twitter
and every day
you'll find a thread that you'll sit there and go, I didn't know this. I didn't
know that. I didn't
know that. But that's the whole point of decentralized medicine. I believe we
easily
can make decentralized medicine because it's very simple. I don't have to have
discussions
with lions, hippos, and crocodiles. Why? Because they do it. Okay. The problem is
it's guys like
you that have this human brain in your head that think it's a good idea to put
these things on your
ears, to stay inside your house and talk about Bitcoin all day. No, I want you to
talk about
Bitcoin all day outside your house in Lake Como, where the water is beautiful. The
air is running
through. I don't care about how it sounds. I don't care how it looks. What's much
more important to
the decentralized savage is what we're talking about, not how it sounds or what it
looks like.
We try to make things better and we don't realize when we make things better,
we're making it more comfortable. You have to understand the default state of earth
is chaos.
If you don't believe me, if I took you as an Italian and dropped you in the Amazon
jungle
right now and gave you no training, you would not fare very well. There is a reason
through
human civilization that we've defaulted to centralized systems. Why? Because humans
like
a top-down control system. The interesting thing is if you're a smart human and you
sit
at the edge of Lake Como, you realize when you look to the animals that are humans
and then you
look in the water and you see the animals that are in the water, they act
completely differently.
There is no centralization in the ocean at all. There's order, but the order is
decentralized
order. The thing is, while you're drinking your cappuccino and observing this, if
you're smart,
you begin to think, well, how can I decentralize my life and my decision-making
process
so that I can be more like nature and less like a centralized, obedient idiot?
I think it's pretty simple. I told you before about the word surge and what it
means.
First principle thinking is how you decentralize your life. You go from what we
know
to actually what we don't know, and you keep building on the process. If you really
understand
kind of what I do, especially on Twitter, I will take one post, let people
stew in the tomatoes, so to speak, and then I'll give you two, three, four, five.
In other words,
I build on the first lesson and then the next lesson, the next lesson, and then
after I'm done,
depending on how long the tweet is, whether it's 10, like before I came on with you
this morning,
I did one that's only 10 or 12 tweets, but I guarantee you most of the people
that go and look at it, they're like, I didn't know this, I didn't know that,
I didn't know this, and the point I'm trying to make, you're a 50-year-old man.
Why didn't you know this? I'm going to tell you the reason why, because you spent
too much time
in Lake Cuomo drinking cappuccino instead of thinking about the whales that were
swimming
over there, and that is how we build a decentralized world.
You said something super interesting. You gave an example of an ancient
set of stones where people engraved numbers, because blockchain has been around for
a very
long time. Yeah, that was the Sumerian alphabet, is the first true blockchain, and
I don't think
people really understand that our alphabet is a blockchain in a very real sense,
and it has its
own sense of order and cadence, just like the Bitcoin white paper does. I guess
what I tried
to tell people about decentralized medicine, it's the same thing. It has a certain
order and cadence
too, and I told you before that it's light water magnetism. I do believe that that
actually is the
blockchain for life. That's another way to frame this, and I also think it also has
its own order
and cadence. The problem that is interesting for Bitcoiners, I think they can get
and wrap
their heads around decentralized medicine. I think where it becomes a problem, most
Bitcoiners don't
have a big science background. I'd say a lot of them have engineering backgrounds,
so you have to
make the story about decentralization something that people can understand, and
that's part of
the reason I told you I thought COVID was a good entry point for Bitcoiners to me.
Why? Because you
know that everything Fauci spread all over the world was the exact opposite thing
you should do.
You want to go outside to have the cappuccino and watch the whales and Lake Como.
You want to go
outside and talk to people. You don't want to go inside next to text screens,
because if you followed
what they told you to do, you got worse, and what people didn't understand, they
were very upset
with the advice they got, but they didn't realize the advice was done by design
because,
as I told Danny Jones and I told Robert Breedlove, that was the goal of COVID. It
was to taper the
Ponzi scheme. Why? Because COVID truly was a compliance test for a coming economic
reset.
When I said that over the last two years on various podcasts, boy, I'll tell you a
lot of
Bitcoiners stood up on their chair and like, wow, I never actually thought about
this angle
of what Jack's saying. That's actually when you started to see decentralized money
and
decentralized health came together. I think where I realized I was having a bigger
impact
than I thought was when Matthias Kutcher, a guy that runs the Bitcoin Prague
show, asked me to come to the middle of Europe and talk about this very issue, talk
about
how decentralized medicine focuses in on time and how Bitcoin focuses in on time
and what the
differences were. That's when I decided to use three specific individuals that all
Bitcoiners know
and talk about how time was relative for all three of those men but also relative
for you
and why it ties back to not only Bitcoin but also ties to your health. I think that
discussion a
year ago really has hit people in a way that I didn't expect because now people are
starting
to go back and look at the history of Bitcoin and really understand it from a
different angle
and I think in Breedlove's podcast when we went through the random walk of why I
think
and who I think Satoshi is, I think it stunned a lot of people because I had very
specific reasons
but after Marty's podcast and I don't know if you heard it but I'll put it out
there for you because
your podcast is going to get the next step. So I want every Bitcoiner to remember
Satoshi did the first transfer to Hal Finney. Satoshi had it because I call Satoshi
Len Sasseman.
I'm going to tell you that Len Sasseman you need to know his history. I laid that
out pretty good
in the Breedlove podcast but he dies of a functional neurologic deficit. So what am
I
going to tell you after Marty's podcast? That I believe that Satoshi Nakamoto was
targeted by
DARPA. Why? Because they knew who he was and what he was doing and the government
was looking to
take him out. So the functional neurologic deficit that Len had was pretty
significant and most
people in Bitcoin know as a cypherpunk he killed himself. This is not an uncommon
event when you
have these type of problems in the targeted individual part. Here's the part that
nobody's
put together yet. Who did the first transfer? Hal Finney. What did Hal Finney,
what's his history?
We go to every Bitcoin conference and they always show the pictures of Hal being
super duper healthy,
running in marathons. We still have Bitcoiners today running in those marathons.
You know what
nobody's put together? How do you die? ALS. ALS is another targeted disease that
DARPA can create.
So guess what I'm trying to tell you? The two people that are most germane actually
were
targeted by the government. Not by the government that you see, by the government
you do not see.
These are the same people that put on the COVID experiment for you. So when I pull
this sheet down
I pull this sheet down for you because I know most Bitcoiners have never tied the
first Bitcoin
transaction to actually two people that did have some very unusual medical
diagnosis.
There's no question that both of those gentlemen did. And then to fast forward to
the next point
that we didn't cover that well but we'll cover with you. You know that right now
there's a lot
of people out there telling people that Jack Dorsey is Satoshi. He's walking around
with the
Satoshi shirt all the time. Well you know that Jack Dorsey is also one of my
clients and one
of my members. And why did he come to me? Because as the owner CEO of Twitter he
started to have
medical problems as well. So now we have three people in this triangle. The good
news is they
haven't killed Jack yet. But what do you know that's happened with Mr. Dorsey? He
stepped back
and gave Twitter away to a technocrat that now has a lot of power on the internet.
And you'd be
probably shocked to know that at Bitcoin Miami that Jack came and spoke with me and
my members.
He actually told us that night that he was going to do this. So I'm going to tell
you
Bitcoiners that listen to your podcast. The government is not your friend and
they're
certainly not our friend in Bitcoin. And I'm going to tell you because many
Bitcoiners believe,
oh well Bitcoin is so cool that the government never figured it out. I'm going to
tell you a
little bit different than that. The government has known just how bad Bitcoin is
for their
casino game they're playing. The thing is you didn't realize that you're targeted.
And I'm going to tell you there are so many Bitcoiners out there. Every time I go
to a
Bitcoin conference I worry about seeing Adam back there. I worry about seeing
Samson Mao. I
worry about seeing Max and Stacey. I think when we go to these conferences we're
making it easier
for DARPA. And I don't think we should do that even though the overt part of the
government,
specifically in the United States, is now embracing Bitcoin. They're embracing it
in my opinion
because I think they have a plan in order to control decentralized money. Do I
believe
they're going to be successful? Probably not. But do they have a lot of help from
people like
Cynthia Lummis, from David Sachs, from Michael Saylor, from some of the people that
we champion
in Bitcoin? It's just like I say in decentralized medicine. Right now Elon Musk is
making good
waves in medicine with helping people who are paralyzed and brain damage and things
like that.
That's the utopian side of his Neuralink business. But I promise you there's a
dystopian DARPA side.
Just like there's a dystopian DARPA side with Larry Fink, with Howard Lotnick,
with Cynthia Lummis, with the Strategic Bitcoin Reserve, with the Stockpile, and
also with the
**** coiners. So what do I say to you, my friend? Put Windex on your glass eye,
remain vigilant,
never trust, always verify. That's the Bitcoin ethos and it should be applied also
in decentralized
medicine. Do you think this is going to be inevitable or we have a chance to not to
end in
that scenario that you just painted? Well, I think I told Marty this and I'll tell
you the same thing.
I think what is going to happen now with the physical market structure that they're
trying
to build, that you are going to have 8 billion people in the world and then you're
going to have
maybe 100 to 150,000 true decentralized savages. And we are not going to have a
country. We are
going to move freely across borders. We're going to stay connected in a quantum way
like you and
I are doing right now over the internet. And we're going to share ideas. And some
of my ideas,
like for example, probably the number one idea right now is that I have to break
Bitcoiners of
their addiction to technology. I think artificial intelligence of any type is the
biggest risk to
Bitcoin right now. And the reason for that is artificial intelligence centralizes
everything
it touches. And if you own Bitcoin, you have to remember you are an aficionado and
an expert
of decentralized money. So when you tell me that you're a fan of artificial
intelligence,
that's like being a nun and saying, Hey, I really like sex. It makes no sense at
all.
And you need to realize you have to resolve this incongruity in your own head. My
job
as the surgeon is to be the teacher to show you that the things that we espouse
either on Twitter,
on our sub stacks, on Patreon, or at the meetings that we go. No, we need to be
congruent.
Decentralization requires decentralization everywhere. And I think when you
understand
that decentralized thinking is the base case, not only for medicine, but also for
Bitcoin,
and your how to link these. That is the biggest risk that I see right now for young
Bitcoiners.
I'd say Bitcoiners below 40 years old. They have been absolutely.
It's like a narcotic effect of Elon Musk and Sam Altman. And you can see that Sam
Altman and
Elon Musk are on opposite sides of this story, the good and evil. But what I'm
going to tell you,
I think they're both evil. And I think they're evil because they both harm
decentralization.
And anything that harms decentralization, we need to come together and talk about
when we do
podcasts like this. Because I look at this podcast, especially when I'm talking to
a Bitcoiner,
I actually think it's more important than the discussions that we have Bitcoin
meetings. In
fact, I'm going to tell you, I know David Bailey and probably Matthias won't be
happy when they
hear this. But I think the topics that we talk about on stage, they're not what we
should be
talking about. They're too theoretical. And I think what we need is the more
practical.
And I guess what I'm trying to tell you here is because the covert arms of
government are
coming for us, we need to have those discussions at these meetings. If we're going
to put ourselves
at risk, then how about we talk about where the rubber meets the road? Let's cut to
the chase and
stop the bulls**t. We don't need to meet each other to go out and have a steak. We
need to meet
each other for a damn good reason. And having a steak and catching up while nice is
not the reason
that we should put our Bitcoin at risk. How do you think people are going to wake
up
today? Are they going to wake up like in a confused state? You already know the
answer
and I'm going to prove it to you. Two things that happen. First one, the CEO of
Ledger,
that attack, that should wake you up. Second thing, look what just happened with
the Ethereum hack
where someone got verified for $1.4 billion that they got scammed through a DARPA
program. Look,
I always tell people it's not a conspiracy theory when there's a patent and there's
something that
happened in reality to prove that it's not bulls**t. Well, as anything else, and
you know how
Bitcoiners are, you told me your history before we started this. You could have
left Bitcoin
when you got punched in the mouth, but guess what you did? Your brother gave you
the best
advice you ever got. Hey, this was not Bitcoin. This was a scammer that took your
Bitcoin and
your brother was right. He was trying to teach you the single most important part
of Bitcoin
is self-custody is a loyal title. Once you get that message, after you get that
punch in the mouth,
you'll never make the mistake again. So what am I trying to tell you right now?
That is operational. Again, the problem is the story. You may not realize the story
I'm telling
you right now is the exact same story that you faced in the beginning because it
rhymes. And
that's generally what happens in decentralized networks and nature is one. So this
is why we
always have this cliche and it's not really true, but history repeats. It doesn't
repeat. It rhymes.
It sounds just like it, but just a little bit different. And the thing is the
decentralized
thinker looks at these issues and goes, you know what? I am going to take the
lesson that I learned
in 2013 and 2015, and now I'm going to apply it in 2025. And to be honest with you,
the group that
I'm interested is that 70 to 150,000 people who've made the full commitment to
decentralize their
life. I believe that that fishbowl is going to be in the 8 billion obedient idiots
that are going
to be tied to the world economic forum. You'll own nothing but be happy crowd that
we live in.
And the sad part is I think where you live, where you come from, Europe is probably
99%
filled with those people, not a lot of decentralization, which is one of the
reasons
why I was very happy to go to Prague last year because I realized that in a former
communist
country in Europe, that punch in the mouth, the people in the Czech Republic, bro,
they're not
going to be like people in Italy. They're not going to be like Peter McCormick.
They're not
going to be like, you know, the people in France. These people learned a lesson
from being part
of the Iron Curtain. And I have to tell you, I came away from that meaning much
more positive
about Bitcoin than I did from any Bitcoin meeting in the United States. I've moved
around a lot,
like I told you off camera, and I spent a good chunk of my life in the UK. And
about four years
ago, we moved to the UAE. It's a temporary step in my journey. But it's definitely
watching what's
happening in Europe now. It's just heartbreaking. And I'm not vaccinated. I did not
take a vaccine.
And that created a lot of issues. I mean, not for me, because I don't care. I'm a
honey badger. But
for the people that have been brainwashed by the system, like you mentioned
earlier,
created a huge amount of issues in the family, people that don't want to see me
anymore, you know,
of course, not mentioning travels and all these things. So what is the magic in
Bitcoin? Do you
think it's the decentralization power that was going to help us kind of breaking
these
chains that we've been given by the system? Well, let's put it this way. I don't
think it
gives you a superpower. It just gives you self sovereignty. But when I say self
sovereignty,
what does it mean to me is that you have a duty to your own self sovereignty. It's
great that
you have it. Like you can own 10,000 Bitcoin and know that you don't have to worry
about a lot of
things. But guess what? Just because it sits in your cold storage, that means it
has to translate
to your mind. Have you decentralized everything in your mind? Have you
decentralized your family?
And if you haven't, and you know they can't, then you have a duty to ask yourself
the hard question.
Do I want to have anchors in my life that are going to centralize me? And I'll be
honest with
you. I've already gone through, you know, this, how shall we say, Mito hack? No, I
don't want
people around me that aren't fully decentralized savages. Now, I know saying that
publicly on a
podcast is probably going to get me in some trouble. But it's important for me to
tell you
that because I think it's the journey that every Bitcoiner will make. And I think
that just owning
Bitcoin isn't enough. It's the first step in understanding what self sovereignty
and freedom
is all about. And if you know anything about my story, I'm an American, an American
who believes
that you have to spill blood for freedom. That's where we came from, to break free
from King George.
That is hardwired into every American, which makes us very different than
Europeans. Why?
You guys don't realize your major problem is the colonial mindset. You have never
broken free
from imperialism and the monarchy. And you know that centralization is a big part
of that program.
And the reason for that, I hinted to you before, the oldest part of the United
States is New Orleans,
only 300 years. You guys, you go back over a thousand years, all the way to the
Magna Carta.
So you've had much more time for this idea to be the Sumerian stone that's carved
into your skulls.
And the problem is that's what makes it harder to go. And I think
European Bitcoin is owning Bitcoin. It's the first time when you could take the
chisel
to the Sumerian stone and start breaking it down and then putting up the white
paper and understanding
what the ethos that Len Sassman, Jack Dorsey, and Hal Finney really brought to the
world.
And then you need to start to paint those ideas into not only your emotions, your
psychology,
your relationships, but also your job and the way you do things, the way you think.
And I can't stress this enough. The way people think, in my opinion,
is even more important than self-custody. But I believe that you will not default
to becoming an autodidact until you self-custody your Bitcoin and understand it.
What do you think you become? And like you said so well, when you are signaling,
you are a
self-sovereign, you have self-custody, you own Bitcoin. I think you're sending a
signal about
you and how you want to live life and who you want to be surrounded by and choices
that you
probably take. And there is a lot of similarities like you painted in between
people that chose
the path of self-custody. And I think it's going to unite us.
Nature is totally chaos. Our cells are built in a dissipated way. That's called
atomic molecular organization. In other words, the way the atoms are organized
determines things.
When you live your life during the day and night, you disorder those atoms. Every
morning you have
to get up and see the sunrise and the sunrise reorders the atoms in you. I live my
life,
I read the newspaper, I get on my phone. That is not the sun. You just plugged in
to the
centralized system. In other words, you have let the disorder and entropy build up.
And every
single time you do that, you create a problem in you. In other words, there's no
way for you to
really be decentralized until you understand that you have to come back to the
default state
every day. Now, the reason I point this out to you, how do I make Bitcoiners
better? Get into
the sunrise every day. Why? Because thinking first begins with you going back to
the default state
so that you don't pick up the newspaper, you don't listen to Peter McCormick's
podcast,
you don't get on your cell phone to find out what's going on in Latvia or Estonia.
No. You go out and spend that first hour in nature and reset all the atoms in your
head.
You go have your cappuccino and you do that biohack that I told you before. You
look to the mountain
and you look to the water and say, today, do I want to be more like an obedient
idiot
or do I want to be more like a savage? Then you proceed on. I think you get to this
mindset
when you know that your vault is filled with enough Bitcoin that even if you make a
mistake,
you can say, I can fix these problems. I am willing to make a coin decision to help
some
of the people out that I love. In other words, you use your self-custody, you use
your autodidact
to pick the people who you want to save, who you know are not going out to the
sunrise every day.
Okay? There are so many Bitcoiners that are making this mistake. If you don't
believe me,
you go to the conference and what do you see? They're out drinking late at night,
having a good time, this and that, and they don't realize they never get up to see
the sunrise.
So they wonder why when they do their podcast, they think it's a good idea to take
a shot
so they can go travel all over Europe to do the things they do. No, that's not the
way it goes.
And I've been pounding on Peter McCormick for a long time. I'm telling you the same
thing.
You're a podcaster that didn't make the decision. So why do I want to give you plus
five? Because
you're the example that Bitcoiners need to strive for. You were able to do your
podcast,
you were able to do it unvaccinated, and you understood why it was a case. I would
say,
what do you and Peter have in common? You own Bitcoin. But the difference is you're
truly a
decentralized savage when he's not. So I don't want you to plug in to those kinds
of people who
think that way. Because if you do, you'll never be part of that 50 to 100,000 group
that we're
trying to create the world with. In other words, we're all tuning forks that
resonate together.
How important is your environment? I mean, can I use an excuse saying, oh, I can't
do these over
there because or it doesn't actually matter? I would tell you your environment is
more important
than anything else. The reason why the environment loads the gun, not your genes.
And here's the big
point. This is what a loyal title truly gives you. This is the point I tried to
make to you before,
because you actually embody this. The fact that you're an Italian guy that's moved
all over the
world and now you're in the UAE, without Bitcoin, you're not doing that. And what
did that do? It
allowed you to change your environment. The key thing that I try to teach my
members, especially
when they're sick, I try to get them to put every bit of money in that they can,
even if it's
500 satoshis. The reason why is that someday those 500 satoshis may save your life
because
it's going to allow you to get out of the chaotic place. And just so you
understand,
my friend, this story is 2,500 years old. Why? Plato wrote The Allegory of the Cave
for a reason.
And people don't understand in the Bitcoin world and also the decentralized
medicine world
that those 6 billion, 8 billion people that we were talking about, they're the ones
that are
going to put their hands out and tell Macron, Trump, Elon Musk, put the cusp back
on. I'm
okay staying in the hole, playing with Neuralink and Starlink and all my apps from
Apple and putting
the things in my ear. But the slaves that get out and see the sun and see Lake Como
and have
the cappuccino and see the whale swimming, those are the savages. We will always
come together.
Why? We will find each other through molecular resonance. And I've told people this
many times,
you don't have to like everybody, but you will find your tribe because they will
vibrate themselves
to you. The key is, will you be good enough when you meet that person to know that
that person
is someone that you want to keep their eyes close to you because they could help
you in some way?
Why? Because you know that they see and they think differently than you. I can tell
you,
story that I already told you. That's the reason why I went all in for Jack Dorsey.
What did he say to me a long time ago? Jack, I just want you to decentralize the
world. He goes,
the way in which you see medicine, he goes, I can't do this. I don't have that
skill set.
He goes, but you do. He goes, but I can go and decentralize Africa, where all the
colonialists
went to pilfer and steal for hundreds of years. I can go to South America and I can
help the people
there understand that decentralizing their money is the first step in getting rid
of the colonial
imperialist mindset that's there. So each one of us have a skill set. Just like you
said, your
skill set is I can do lights, camera and action and get the message of
decentralization out
everywhere. Every single one of us have a role to play. All I say is when you find
your passion,
make sure you're good at it. Do you see El Salvador starting to foster an
environment
for people to start gathering? I think it's a place for decentralized savages, but
I will tell
you, am I starting to see some cracks in the armor? Yes. But from a decentralized
medicine
perspective, El Salvador is spectacular. I think what's happening right now in El
Salvador,
to be quite frank with you, is there's a political problem. The political problem
is
everything has been really, really good up until now, but the people that are in
the lower class
and the upper class have not benefited much to build the middle class. And the
middle class
right now has to be built in El Salvador for enduring success to go on. And you
know
that was important coming out of the dark ages. It was also important in the United
States when
we came out of the Industrial Revolution, because the robber barons and the
monopolists in the United
States basically were keeping the poor people down. So we had this disparity. And I
think that's
where Bukele is right now, that he knows that he has to do some things that
Bitcoiners would say,
why are you doing this? He's got to take two steps backwards to take a step
forward. And I don't
believe that Bitcoiners, all of them, really understand what's going on because
they don't
understand how politics also has to be decentralized. The key is, Bukele has done
enough,
and as far as I'm concerned, that you have to give him some trust. When he really
starts to
make some bad decisions, kind of like Macron has, kind of like Merkel did, I would
say kind of like
Zelensky, Kamala, and Biden did, that's when you have to punish them, and you
punish them at the
ballot box. And the punishment that needs to happen now in the United States that
we thought
was going to happen with Trump is not happening. No one's going to jail. So then
you have guys like
me sitting out there going, okay, it's time to pull out our blockchain in the
United States called
the Constitution and read the Bill of Rights and go straight to the Second
Amendment and see what
it says and understand why it was there. If nobody goes to jail for stealing from
the people,
what did Thomas Jefferson suggest that we do? How about we start talking about that
instead of AI?
How do you foresee the next 10 years, specifically with Bitcoin and all these
changes you just
mentioned? Are we going faster into this? My perspective is that we need to get
people to own Bitcoin first before governments do it. I am not a fan of governments
owning Bitcoin
before savages. I think that it's very, very important to keep onboarding people
and explaining
to them what decentralized mindset is. It's not just money. It's not just health,
but it's also understanding, becoming an auto die deck, having skin in the game,
doing more
than you should do, not sitting on the deck of the Titanic, listening to music,
jumping in the cold water, swimming to the boat and saving your own life. That is
really important,
especially in the world that these creatures in Washington DC and in the EU are
trying to build.
They are trying to rebuild what was present in Europe in the dark ages, feudalism,
medievalism,
to support imperial colonial beliefs so that, I can't find a better way to describe
it,
you'll own nothing and be happy about it. That is the world that the global elites
are interested
in. And now you're being sold an idea, at least in the United States, that the
technologists are
better than the Rothschilds and Rockefellers. No, they're not. They're the same
people.
They just have different clothes. It's a different play. And you need to understand
the game never changes. It's always a casino. And if you don't have Bitcoin,
you lose. Simple as that. This is the reason why I think the SBR, I think the
meeting that David
Sachs is going to have on Friday, this is all the scenery or the bull in the
podcast. It's having
good audio. It's having good video. It's what retards and low dopamine people focus
in on.
Instead of what they're really doing, that's what the people that understand a
loyal title
and sovereignty do. They want to look where the rubber meets the road. What does
this really mean
for us going forward? I believe that where the world will head are the people right
now
who are trying to change the market structure of how a Bitcoin world fits in to the
Rothschild
Rockefeller market. It's almost akin, if you think about what they're trying to do,
is getting a Microsoft operating system to talk to a Mac. Holy unsuccessful. That's
how I view it.
But this is what Cynthia Lummis, Michael Saylor, and Donald J. Trump and all the
rest of the
s**t coiners that are linked are really trying to do. And I'm okay. Let them play
their s**t coin
games. But the bottom line in the next 10 years, guys like you, guys like me, we
need to sit down
with people at the coffee shop at Lake Como or the UAE or here in El Salvador and
say, no,
get your phone out, download Strike, download Moon. Let's have a talk. Let me
explain to you
what decentralization is. And if you want to talk, if you need to know this, you
need to know that,
you send me a message and I'll direct you where you have to go. My job is to build
savages.
I'm not even sure the average Joe out there knows they have a problem to begin
with,
because they think they have money in the bank, but they're not money. They're not
in the bank
and they're not theirs. You just tapped the biggest problem in Bitcoin. And you
know what?
The crazy thing is, it's just like alcoholics or narcotics. They don't know they
have a problem.
They don't know. And the thing is, they think because they have 10,000 Bitcoin
and unchained capital that they don't have to give a f**k. I got some bad news for
you.
The proof in the pudding, look what just happened to the guy with $1.4 billion in
Ethereum.
DARPA took it away from them. And guess what? The way they wish they did it, it's
not in any
51% attack that you ever heard of before. That's for sure. It's definitely not in
Jason Lowry's
book. Do you think it's the reason why they went on with the ETF? Because they
thought maybe if we
create a product in the market, we can attract them over there and keep the goods,
right? Because
technically the ETFs are a distraction. Well, if you think about what the ETFs
really are,
this is the idea of Larry Fink and Howard Lotnick, which is why I don't like either
one of them.
They are trying to do the same thing that happened with silver and gold.
When you create a paper market, technically, it gives you a path to control on and
off ramps.
And you can price suppress just like you let the price run, but it gives you some
control. In other
words, it takes away market forces. And I think the person in Bitcoin that's done
the best job
of warning us about this from 2018 onward has been Caitlin Long. But again, most
Bitcoiners don't pay
attention to the esoteric, I should say they pay attention to the bullsh**, but not
the stuff they
should. And when I hear her talk about this, unfortunately, it's hardly ever at a
Bitcoin
conference because everybody thinks, oh, well, she's just a bear. We don't have to
worry about
this because we have 10,000 Bitcoin, da da da da da. No, she's actually quite
correct
because she's seeing the world in the 10 years that you asked me to see. When you
have a guy
that owns 500,000 Bitcoin in a corporate sense, tells the world it's more about a
store of value
than less about currency or money, you know what? You're a Bitcoiner, you're an
auto dive deck,
you need to push back on that. Just because the guy has been good for us since
2020, 2021,
doesn't mean he's the f**king Pope. We used to have Bitcoin Jesus and Bitcoin Jesus
turned out
to be Judas. So did you learn from your previous mistake? What am I telling you
right now? Like
Michael Saylor a lot, I really do. Still think he's on our team, but I'm going to
warn you,
I've got Windex on my glass eye about everything he says now. I didn't have Windex
on my glass eye
up until a year ago when I physically had the chance to sit down and talk to him.
Now I'm
concerned and I'm going to come on podcasts and I'm going to say the unpopular
things. Why?
Because guess what? That's what a decentralized savage does. You don't help your
tribe unless
you tell them the truth, unless you're authentic and you tell people why you feel
the way you feel.
And it doesn't mean that I'm trying to take his power, his influence or anything
like that away
at all, just like I'm not trying to do it to Peter. What I'm trying to get people
to understand
is the audience that listens to those tuning forks, I want to make sure that they
put through their
filter to decentralize focus. Is this first principle thinking or not? Or is this a
way
for them to pump their bags in a way that you don't see? That is the key point
that I want to make to people. And just because someone's pumping their bags
doesn't mean it's a
bad thing. But I think because of the way this market structure is being built in
the United
States, I see a problem six steps down the road that could hinder people. And I
have a duty
to tell people that. You may not think, I'm not a doctor of Bitcoin, but I am a
doctor of medicine
and I took an oath that says to do no harm. And when I've made a diagnosis, whether
it's in medicine
or Bitcoin, I make my promise to you right now and to every Bitcoiner that listens
to this,
my mouth's not a bakery. I'm going to tell you exactly what I think, whether you
like it or not.
And that's what I appreciate about it. And we should have engraved in our
personality
when we say don't trust, verify. That should be applied to everything, right? So to
be a journey,
a path mindset as opposed to just applying to the monetary part of our lives like
you described
earlier. Yeah, fantastic, Jack. I mean, it's been an absolute pleasure. I really
hope to meet you
in person. I'm speaking at Bitcoin Prague. So it's close to you. Get on a plane and
come down and
see us. Take Turkish Airlines from UAE and come to Prague. Sounds like an idea. So
I will definitely
see you in Prague then. Fantastic. OK, take care. Fantastic. And guys,
thank you so much for watching. We'll see you on the next one.