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HOW WE GOT HERE,
& WHERE WE ARE GOING
The Vicious Cycle of SEO
By Lily Ray
VP, SEO Strategy & Research
2025 marks my 15th year of
doing SEO
If there is one
thing you learn
after 15 years
working in SEO…
SEO finds tactic for driving
organic search traffic
Shares tactics publicly,
competitors reverse-engineer
& duplicate
(‘SEO Gold Rush’)
Google develops
algorithms to counter
spam
Once-successful SEO
approaches demoted,
penalized, or treated
as spam
SEOs look for next
opportunity
The cycle
of SEO
But tactics to gain SEO
visibility often result in a poor
experience for searchers
How SEOs see
their projects
How Google sees
SEOs’ projects
If you want to know how
Google feels about spam,
watch this 2019 video:
“Spam is one of the
biggest problems
that we face.”
“Fighting spam is a
cat & mouse game.”
“This is a war we
are fighting.
It’s not something I
think will ever be
solvable.”
“But my content is
high quality”
- Every SEO ever
THE RULES CONTINUOUSLY CHANGE.
THE DEFINITION OF SPAM EVOLVES.
IS A TALE AS OLD AS TIME…
SEO CYCLES OF THE PAST
✴ Keyword stuffing, doorway pages,
cloaking, exact match domains
✴ Link buying, blogroll & footer links,
spammy anchor text, PBNS
✴ Ranking on YMYL topics without
expertise or authority Medic Update
Penguin & Link Spam updates
Florida & Panda updates
LET’S LOOK AT
SOME RECENT
EXAMPLES
(2022-2025)
THE GREAT AI FLOOD
(2022 onward)
AIcontentboom
Explosion of AI Content
THE ERA OF THE SEO “GET RICH QUICK” SCHEME & YOUTUBE EXPLOSION
✴ Quotes
✴ Jokes
✴ Riddles
✴ Angel numbers
✴ Horoscopes
✴ Celebrity net worth
✴ Most beautiful women
High volume + low effort
scaled SEO opportunities
✴ Publishing 3rd party content on
a high-authority website to
boost your rankings
Parasite SEO
abounds
Types of Parasite SEO
Parasite
SEO
USER GENERATED
CONTENT
Reddit, Quora Medium, LinkedIn
Pulse HubPages Outlook India Jerusalem Post Discover
Magazine
Fake, AI-
generated
authors
Betting &
casino content
on news sites
Partnerships
w/undisclosed
content
providers
Freelancers
publishing
affiliate content
across various
sites
Coupon
companies
SPONSORED
GUEST POSTS
3RD PARTY
PARTNERSHIPS
EXAMPLES OF PARASITE SEO: 3RD PARTY CONTENT
✴ Using templates &
databases to automatically
create keyword-targeted
landing pages at scale
The Programmatic SEO
Gold Rush
Wise
Currency converters | ~30K pages*
2.7MM monthly organic traffic*
*Ahrefs data
Programmatic SEO can be effective…
when executed well…
Adobe
PDF tools | 26 URLs
4.67MM monthly organic traffic*
…& pages are tied to real products.
But scaling SEO content with little effort and no original insights…
Is what Google means by
"content written for search engines."
It felt like “SEO content” was everywhere.
But real searchers weren’t so excited.
The Vicious Cycle of SEO - How We Got Here & Where We’re Going - SEOWeek 2025.pdf
GOOGLE ISSUES A
WARNING IN LATE
2024…
THE GREAT SEO
CRACKDOWN
(2023-2025)
Helpful Content Update
Little to no recoveries among thousands of affected niche sites
(SEPT 2023)
Before massive decline
Significant Collateral Damage
Machine learning Google algorithm update = lacks precision
Legit travel blog destroyed by HCU
✴ The biggest core update in Google’s history (45 days)
✴ Reduced “unhelpful” content by 45%
March 2024 Core
& Spam Update
Core & Spam Updates: targets content written for search engines.
Even big brands known for “great SEO” are impacted.
ORGANIC TRAFFIC
VS.
ORGANIC PAGES
Crackdown on sites that scale low-quality content
(SCALED CONTENT ABUSE)
Recent full site ‘pure spam’ manual action
“Things were going well until
this site started publishing
1000s of off-topic articles on
every subject under the sun:
✴ Happy Birthday Wishes
✴ The Most Beautiful Women In The World
✴ Instagram Usernames for Girls & Boys”
– CYRUS SHEPARD
Parasite
SEO
USER GENERATED
CONTENT
Reddit, Quora Medium, LinkedIn
Pulse HubPages Outlook India Jerusalem Post Discover
Magazine
Fake, AI-
generated
authors
Betting &
casino content
on news sites
Partnerships
w/undisclosed
content
providers
Freelancers
publishing
affiliate content
across various
sites
Coupon
companies
SPONSORED
GUEST POSTS
3RD PARTY
PARTNERSHIPS
Google responds to parasite SEO with Site Reputation Abuse
The sneaky addition of “freelancers”
One day before
manual actions
were issued.
SITE REPUTATION ABUSE
HAS BEEN A BLOODBATH…
WHERE DOES THIS LEAVE US?
2000 2005 2010 2015 2020 2025
AI
CONTENT
PBNS
ARTICLE
SPINNING
FOR EVERY SEO OPPORTUNITY OVER THE YEARS…
2000 2005 2010 2015 2020 2025
AI
CONTENT
PBNS
ARTICLE
SPINNING
2000 2005 2010 2015 2020 2025
GOOGLE HAS PATCHED IT UP AS AN EXPLOIT
Panda Updates Penguin Updates Helpful Content Update
Reviews Update
Core Updates
Spam Updates
Site reputation abuse
Scaled content abuse
MEANWHILE,
GOOGLE
REVEALS ITS
SHINY NEW
AI TOYS…
AI OVERVIEWS
(AIO) & AI MODE
And now organic CTRs are declining fast…
Is the opportunity all gone?
MANY SEOS ARE
WONDERING…
BUT THIS
REQUIRES
A SHIFT IN
MINDSET
YOU CAN DO
GREAT SEO
WITHOUT BEING
STUCK IN THE
CAT & MOUSE
TRAP
AS HISTORY
REVEALS, THE RULES
OF SEO ARE ALWAYS
CHANGING.
ADAPTATION IS KEY.
2025 & Beyond
A NEW FRONTIER:
AUTHENTIC SEO &
OPTIMIZING FOR
LLM VISIBILITY
New tools for measuring LLM & AIO visibility
The importance of tracking LLM traffic
To understand which LLMs users use to find you & track their on-site experience
Many sites are seeing higher
conversion rates from LLM traffic
SEO IS NO LONGER JUST ABOUT
RANKINGS & TRAFFIC…
Monitor visibility & sentiment within various LLMs
Based on subtopics
and individual
products and
services
Monitoring
sentiment within
LLM responses
New ways to monitor accuracy of
generated answers within LLMs
Controlling the narrative
Ensuring your website & branded assets contain up-to-date, accurate information
MONITOR HIGHLY CITED SITES WITHIN LLMS
Laser focus on highly cited articles in your niche
Ask LLMS about frequently cited articles &
how to improve your products & services
Analyze scroll to text highlighting within AIO responses
Question queries regex in GSC (h/t Jes Sholz)
✴ Surfaces potential AIO queries (cross-
reference with AIO tracking tools)
✴ Use to get ahead of common questions
with FAQ and Q&A on your site
Guiding questions in interviews & podcasts
Podcasts & video transcripts can be cited in LLMs – optimize questions & responses
Answer pulled from
podcast interviews
Maintain Q&A on personal/brand website
Watch out for “pronoun
resolution failure”
Easy fix: add more clear language
Look toward the
winners who have
thrived in recent years.
*Sistrix VI data:
Jan 2023 – March 2025
SEO IS NOT ALL
DOOM AND GLOOM.
SEO WINNERS BETWEEN 2023 – 2025 (SISTRIX)
Health & Medical Authorities
User Generated Content & Social E-commerce & Marketplaces
SaaS, Tech & Software
Media & Entertainment Travel, Hotels & Real Estate
Marketplaces
Strong E-E-A-T
for YMYL topics
Direct providers of
products & services
UGC, real world experience &
authentic reviews
Brand awareness &
navigational searches
COMMON TRAITS AMONG WINNING SITES:
What about affiliate sites?
31K keywords in positions 1-3 (Ahrefs) 2.2K keywords in Google AI Overviews
FITNESS REVIEW SITE
Reviewed by professional trainers
Original photography
Robust review methodology
Videos of review process
First-person opinions & insights
THERE IS STILL A LONG LIST
OF APPROACHES THAT
SEARCH ENGINES
CAN NEVER TAKE AWAY FROM US
Original data,
opinions & research
Original research & surveys
Article Title Total Ranking Keywords Monthly Organic Traffic Referring domains Links to target
Happiest Cities in America in 2025 9,288 2,780 1,203 8,825
States With the Best & Worst School Systems in 2025 4,849 9,414 1,140 2,926
States with the Highest & Lowest Tax Rates 3,392 516 760 2,347
Best- & Worst-Run Cities in America (2025) 2,326 307 876 2,046
Best Places to Shop on Black Friday (2025) 1,560 1,296 775 1,875
Tax Burden by State in 2025 1,255 2,705 1,638 4,174
Property Taxes by State in 2025 1,208 3,172 1,317 2,817
Best States to Live In (2025) 1,100 10,256 961 2,320
Safest Cities in America in 2025 1,059 1,010 1,112 3,016
Most & Least Educated States in America in 2025 976 3,793 808 2,264
Happiest States in America in 2025 953 4,007 964 2,282
College & University Rankings in 2025 785 114 677 2,221
Best Small Cities in America in 2025 754 1,182 742 2,841
Best States to Retire in 2025 690 4,406 1,017 3,350
Wallthub surveys, Ahrefs data
ORIGINAL RESEARCH IN LLM
CITATIONS
ORIGINAL
CONTENT
LONG
& SHORT
VIDEOS
PODCASTS &
INTERVIEWS
REDDIT & FORUM
CONTRIBUTIONS
VISUAL REFERENCES
&
INFOGRAPHICS
CONFERENCE
PRESENTATIONS
& SLIDE DECKS
SOCIAL MEDIA
POSTS
& OPINION PIECES
ON UGC SITES
Repurposing & Reformatting Original Content
YOUTUBE, TIKTOK, IG REELS & SHORT VIDEOS
(Also a great tactic for Google Discover)
AS AN EXAMPLE…
I conducted a survey about historical SEO tactics with 160 respondents
& SPOKE TO SOME INDUSTRY
DINOSAURS
Leveraged AI to map
survey responses into
different historical
periods of SEO
Infographic of 7 historical SEO eras
REPURPOSED SURVEY RESPONSES
INTO LONG & SHORT VIDEOS...
Showed up in llms
within 2 days
AUTHORSHIP
MAKES THE
ARTICLE
“RELIABLE”
HAVING A STRONG PERSONAL
BRAND & AUTHENTIC SOCIAL
MEDIA PRESENCE
Become a
recognized &
trusted entity in
Google’s
Knowledge
Graph
SEO winners: social media sites
Appear Everywhere & Post often
“Build on rented land” – Rand Fishkin
“What people are saying”
Social posts heavily cited in LLMS
LinkedIn Pulse + E-E-A-T & a Strong Social Following
AI Overviews
Featured snippet &
top rankings
Ai Mode
Earned top rankings within 6 hours
PROCEED WITH
CAUTION
My crystal ball
tells me…
There will be bribes
Highly cited articles in LLMs likely to receive bribes (the new link spam)
WE ARE DUE FOR ANTI-SPAM
MEASURES IN SEARCH & LLMS
TAKEAWAYS
DON’T GET STUCK IN THE CAT AND MOUSE
GAME. YOU’LL EVENTUALLY GET CAUGHT.
STRONG PERSONAL
BRANDING + SOCIAL MEDIA
GENERATES SIGNIFICANT LLM
VISIBILITY
INVEST IN ORIGINAL RESEARCH, COMMUNITY BUILDING,
AUTHENTICITY AND THOUGHT LEADERSHIP
FOCUS ON THE THINGS
SEARCH ENGINES CAN NEVER
TAKE AWAY FROM US
THANK YOU

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The Vicious Cycle of SEO - How We Got Here & Where We’re Going - SEOWeek 2025.pdf

  • 1. HOW WE GOT HERE, & WHERE WE ARE GOING The Vicious Cycle of SEO By Lily Ray
  • 2. VP, SEO Strategy & Research
  • 3. 2025 marks my 15th year of doing SEO
  • 4. If there is one thing you learn after 15 years working in SEO…
  • 5. SEO finds tactic for driving organic search traffic Shares tactics publicly, competitors reverse-engineer & duplicate (‘SEO Gold Rush’) Google develops algorithms to counter spam Once-successful SEO approaches demoted, penalized, or treated as spam SEOs look for next opportunity The cycle of SEO
  • 6. But tactics to gain SEO visibility often result in a poor experience for searchers
  • 7. How SEOs see their projects How Google sees SEOs’ projects
  • 8. If you want to know how Google feels about spam, watch this 2019 video:
  • 9. “Spam is one of the biggest problems that we face.”
  • 10. “Fighting spam is a cat & mouse game.”
  • 11. “This is a war we are fighting. It’s not something I think will ever be solvable.”
  • 12. “But my content is high quality” - Every SEO ever
  • 13. THE RULES CONTINUOUSLY CHANGE. THE DEFINITION OF SPAM EVOLVES.
  • 14. IS A TALE AS OLD AS TIME…
  • 15. SEO CYCLES OF THE PAST ✴ Keyword stuffing, doorway pages, cloaking, exact match domains ✴ Link buying, blogroll & footer links, spammy anchor text, PBNS ✴ Ranking on YMYL topics without expertise or authority Medic Update Penguin & Link Spam updates Florida & Panda updates
  • 16. LET’S LOOK AT SOME RECENT EXAMPLES (2022-2025)
  • 17. THE GREAT AI FLOOD (2022 onward)
  • 19. THE ERA OF THE SEO “GET RICH QUICK” SCHEME & YOUTUBE EXPLOSION
  • 20. ✴ Quotes ✴ Jokes ✴ Riddles ✴ Angel numbers ✴ Horoscopes ✴ Celebrity net worth ✴ Most beautiful women High volume + low effort scaled SEO opportunities
  • 21. ✴ Publishing 3rd party content on a high-authority website to boost your rankings Parasite SEO abounds
  • 22. Types of Parasite SEO Parasite SEO USER GENERATED CONTENT Reddit, Quora Medium, LinkedIn Pulse HubPages Outlook India Jerusalem Post Discover Magazine Fake, AI- generated authors Betting & casino content on news sites Partnerships w/undisclosed content providers Freelancers publishing affiliate content across various sites Coupon companies SPONSORED GUEST POSTS 3RD PARTY PARTNERSHIPS
  • 23. EXAMPLES OF PARASITE SEO: 3RD PARTY CONTENT
  • 24. ✴ Using templates & databases to automatically create keyword-targeted landing pages at scale The Programmatic SEO Gold Rush
  • 25. Wise Currency converters | ~30K pages* 2.7MM monthly organic traffic* *Ahrefs data Programmatic SEO can be effective… when executed well… Adobe PDF tools | 26 URLs 4.67MM monthly organic traffic* …& pages are tied to real products.
  • 26. But scaling SEO content with little effort and no original insights… Is what Google means by "content written for search engines."
  • 27. It felt like “SEO content” was everywhere. But real searchers weren’t so excited.
  • 29. GOOGLE ISSUES A WARNING IN LATE 2024…
  • 31. Helpful Content Update Little to no recoveries among thousands of affected niche sites (SEPT 2023) Before massive decline
  • 32. Significant Collateral Damage Machine learning Google algorithm update = lacks precision Legit travel blog destroyed by HCU
  • 33. ✴ The biggest core update in Google’s history (45 days) ✴ Reduced “unhelpful” content by 45% March 2024 Core & Spam Update
  • 34. Core & Spam Updates: targets content written for search engines. Even big brands known for “great SEO” are impacted.
  • 35. ORGANIC TRAFFIC VS. ORGANIC PAGES Crackdown on sites that scale low-quality content (SCALED CONTENT ABUSE)
  • 36. Recent full site ‘pure spam’ manual action “Things were going well until this site started publishing 1000s of off-topic articles on every subject under the sun: ✴ Happy Birthday Wishes ✴ The Most Beautiful Women In The World ✴ Instagram Usernames for Girls & Boys” – CYRUS SHEPARD
  • 37. Parasite SEO USER GENERATED CONTENT Reddit, Quora Medium, LinkedIn Pulse HubPages Outlook India Jerusalem Post Discover Magazine Fake, AI- generated authors Betting & casino content on news sites Partnerships w/undisclosed content providers Freelancers publishing affiliate content across various sites Coupon companies SPONSORED GUEST POSTS 3RD PARTY PARTNERSHIPS Google responds to parasite SEO with Site Reputation Abuse
  • 38. The sneaky addition of “freelancers” One day before manual actions were issued.
  • 39. SITE REPUTATION ABUSE HAS BEEN A BLOODBATH…
  • 40. WHERE DOES THIS LEAVE US?
  • 41. 2000 2005 2010 2015 2020 2025 AI CONTENT PBNS ARTICLE SPINNING FOR EVERY SEO OPPORTUNITY OVER THE YEARS…
  • 42. 2000 2005 2010 2015 2020 2025 AI CONTENT PBNS ARTICLE SPINNING 2000 2005 2010 2015 2020 2025 GOOGLE HAS PATCHED IT UP AS AN EXPLOIT Panda Updates Penguin Updates Helpful Content Update Reviews Update Core Updates Spam Updates Site reputation abuse Scaled content abuse
  • 45. And now organic CTRs are declining fast…
  • 46. Is the opportunity all gone? MANY SEOS ARE WONDERING…
  • 48. YOU CAN DO GREAT SEO WITHOUT BEING STUCK IN THE CAT & MOUSE TRAP
  • 49. AS HISTORY REVEALS, THE RULES OF SEO ARE ALWAYS CHANGING. ADAPTATION IS KEY.
  • 50. 2025 & Beyond A NEW FRONTIER: AUTHENTIC SEO & OPTIMIZING FOR LLM VISIBILITY
  • 51. New tools for measuring LLM & AIO visibility
  • 52. The importance of tracking LLM traffic To understand which LLMs users use to find you & track their on-site experience
  • 53. Many sites are seeing higher conversion rates from LLM traffic
  • 54. SEO IS NO LONGER JUST ABOUT RANKINGS & TRAFFIC… Monitor visibility & sentiment within various LLMs
  • 55. Based on subtopics and individual products and services Monitoring sentiment within LLM responses
  • 56. New ways to monitor accuracy of generated answers within LLMs
  • 57. Controlling the narrative Ensuring your website & branded assets contain up-to-date, accurate information
  • 58. MONITOR HIGHLY CITED SITES WITHIN LLMS
  • 59. Laser focus on highly cited articles in your niche
  • 60. Ask LLMS about frequently cited articles & how to improve your products & services
  • 61. Analyze scroll to text highlighting within AIO responses
  • 62. Question queries regex in GSC (h/t Jes Sholz) ✴ Surfaces potential AIO queries (cross- reference with AIO tracking tools) ✴ Use to get ahead of common questions with FAQ and Q&A on your site
  • 63. Guiding questions in interviews & podcasts Podcasts & video transcripts can be cited in LLMs – optimize questions & responses Answer pulled from podcast interviews
  • 64. Maintain Q&A on personal/brand website
  • 65. Watch out for “pronoun resolution failure” Easy fix: add more clear language
  • 66. Look toward the winners who have thrived in recent years. *Sistrix VI data: Jan 2023 – March 2025 SEO IS NOT ALL DOOM AND GLOOM.
  • 67. SEO WINNERS BETWEEN 2023 – 2025 (SISTRIX) Health & Medical Authorities User Generated Content & Social E-commerce & Marketplaces SaaS, Tech & Software Media & Entertainment Travel, Hotels & Real Estate Marketplaces
  • 68. Strong E-E-A-T for YMYL topics Direct providers of products & services UGC, real world experience & authentic reviews Brand awareness & navigational searches COMMON TRAITS AMONG WINNING SITES:
  • 69. What about affiliate sites? 31K keywords in positions 1-3 (Ahrefs) 2.2K keywords in Google AI Overviews FITNESS REVIEW SITE Reviewed by professional trainers Original photography Robust review methodology Videos of review process First-person opinions & insights
  • 70. THERE IS STILL A LONG LIST OF APPROACHES THAT SEARCH ENGINES CAN NEVER TAKE AWAY FROM US
  • 72. Original research & surveys Article Title Total Ranking Keywords Monthly Organic Traffic Referring domains Links to target Happiest Cities in America in 2025 9,288 2,780 1,203 8,825 States With the Best & Worst School Systems in 2025 4,849 9,414 1,140 2,926 States with the Highest & Lowest Tax Rates 3,392 516 760 2,347 Best- & Worst-Run Cities in America (2025) 2,326 307 876 2,046 Best Places to Shop on Black Friday (2025) 1,560 1,296 775 1,875 Tax Burden by State in 2025 1,255 2,705 1,638 4,174 Property Taxes by State in 2025 1,208 3,172 1,317 2,817 Best States to Live In (2025) 1,100 10,256 961 2,320 Safest Cities in America in 2025 1,059 1,010 1,112 3,016 Most & Least Educated States in America in 2025 976 3,793 808 2,264 Happiest States in America in 2025 953 4,007 964 2,282 College & University Rankings in 2025 785 114 677 2,221 Best Small Cities in America in 2025 754 1,182 742 2,841 Best States to Retire in 2025 690 4,406 1,017 3,350 Wallthub surveys, Ahrefs data
  • 73. ORIGINAL RESEARCH IN LLM CITATIONS
  • 74. ORIGINAL CONTENT LONG & SHORT VIDEOS PODCASTS & INTERVIEWS REDDIT & FORUM CONTRIBUTIONS VISUAL REFERENCES & INFOGRAPHICS CONFERENCE PRESENTATIONS & SLIDE DECKS SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS & OPINION PIECES ON UGC SITES Repurposing & Reformatting Original Content
  • 75. YOUTUBE, TIKTOK, IG REELS & SHORT VIDEOS (Also a great tactic for Google Discover)
  • 77. I conducted a survey about historical SEO tactics with 160 respondents & SPOKE TO SOME INDUSTRY DINOSAURS
  • 78. Leveraged AI to map survey responses into different historical periods of SEO
  • 79. Infographic of 7 historical SEO eras
  • 80. REPURPOSED SURVEY RESPONSES INTO LONG & SHORT VIDEOS...
  • 81. Showed up in llms within 2 days
  • 83. HAVING A STRONG PERSONAL BRAND & AUTHENTIC SOCIAL MEDIA PRESENCE
  • 84. Become a recognized & trusted entity in Google’s Knowledge Graph
  • 85. SEO winners: social media sites
  • 86. Appear Everywhere & Post often “Build on rented land” – Rand Fishkin
  • 87. “What people are saying”
  • 88. Social posts heavily cited in LLMS
  • 89. LinkedIn Pulse + E-E-A-T & a Strong Social Following AI Overviews Featured snippet & top rankings Ai Mode Earned top rankings within 6 hours
  • 92. There will be bribes Highly cited articles in LLMs likely to receive bribes (the new link spam)
  • 93. WE ARE DUE FOR ANTI-SPAM MEASURES IN SEARCH & LLMS
  • 95. DON’T GET STUCK IN THE CAT AND MOUSE GAME. YOU’LL EVENTUALLY GET CAUGHT.
  • 96. STRONG PERSONAL BRANDING + SOCIAL MEDIA GENERATES SIGNIFICANT LLM VISIBILITY
  • 97. INVEST IN ORIGINAL RESEARCH, COMMUNITY BUILDING, AUTHENTICITY AND THOUGHT LEADERSHIP
  • 98. FOCUS ON THE THINGS SEARCH ENGINES CAN NEVER TAKE AWAY FROM US