Workshop	
  on	
  Work-­based	
  Learning	
  in	
  Politics	
  and	
  
International	
  Studies,	
  Oxford	
  Brookes	
  University	
  7	
  April	
  
2014	
  	
  
Breakout	
  session	
  on	
  Skills,	
  Ethics	
  and	
  Employability	
  	
  
Notes	
  summarising	
  key	
  themes	
  of	
  the	
  discussion	
  	
  
	
  
Engagement	
  in	
  (local)	
  politics/government	
  as	
  a	
  source	
  of	
  empowerment	
  	
  
• Making	
  sense	
  of	
  the	
  system	
  –	
  being	
  critical	
  	
  
But	
  should	
  employability	
  be	
  a	
  central	
  concern	
  for	
  humanities	
  and	
  social	
  sciences?	
  	
  
• What	
  is	
  the	
  point	
  of	
  university	
  education?	
  Creating	
  workers	
  or	
  empowering	
  citizens?	
  	
  
Employability	
  has	
  been	
  “hijacked”	
  	
  
• Employers	
  are	
  interested	
  in	
  university	
  educated	
  new	
  employees	
  –	
  is	
  employability	
  
really	
  needed	
  as	
  an	
  agenda?	
  	
  
Employability	
  is	
  flexibility	
  –	
  being	
  able	
  to	
  use	
  and	
  apply	
  your	
  skills	
  and	
  knowledge	
  	
  
• One	
  size	
  fits	
  all?	
  Possibly	
  not…	
  	
  
Who	
  provides	
  the	
  necessary	
  skills	
  for	
  employ-­‐ability?	
  Schools,	
  universities	
  and	
  FE	
  colleges,	
  
employers?	
  	
  
Disconnect	
  between	
  21st
	
  century	
  youth	
  and	
  the	
  “language”	
  and	
  culture	
  of	
  politics	
  as	
  a	
  
challenge.	
  	
  
• Whose	
  responsibility	
  is	
  it	
  to	
  bridge	
  the	
  gap?	
  	
  
Q-­‐Step	
  as	
  an	
  initiative	
  in	
  providing	
  quantitative	
  skills	
  to	
  make	
  “students	
  useful”	
  for	
  
placements	
  providers	
  and	
  leading	
  to	
  increased	
  employability.	
  	
  
Cultural	
  tensions	
  in	
  the	
  employability	
  “paradigm”	
  being	
  ignored	
  and	
  neglected?	
  	
  
Potential	
  tension	
  between	
  the	
  student’s	
  interests	
  and	
  the	
  employer’s	
  interests	
  (learning,	
  
developing,	
  etc.	
  vs.	
  “employing	
  cheap	
  labour”?)	
  	
  
• No	
  finger-­‐pointing	
  but	
  there	
  is	
  a	
  serious	
  ethical	
  concern	
  of	
  placement	
  students	
  
regularly	
  filling	
  gaps	
  where	
  organisational	
  resources	
  cannot	
  meet	
  the	
  need	
  for	
  
employing	
  enough	
  people.	
  	
  
Payment	
  as	
  an	
  issue?	
  Minimum	
  wage	
  for	
  work	
  placements?	
  	
  
• Ethical	
  issues	
  linked	
  to	
  the	
  potential	
  payment	
  (collusion	
  between	
  
employer/employee)	
  	
  
• Not	
  for	
  profit	
  organisations	
  might	
  find	
  this	
  as	
  a	
  very	
  difficult/impossible	
  
requirement?	
  	
  
Do	
  we	
  teach	
  the	
  “abstract”	
  or	
  the	
  “real	
  world”?	
  	
  
• Applying	
  theoretical	
  knowledge	
  –	
  talking	
  about	
  the	
  real	
  issues	
  	
  
Unequal	
  access	
  (structured	
  inequalities)	
  	
  
Terminology	
  (work	
  experience,	
  placements,	
  internships	
  etc.)	
  
• Same	
  thing	
  with	
  different	
  words	
  or	
  actually	
  different	
  meanings?	
  	
  
What	
  work	
  is	
  relevant?	
  How	
  much	
  can	
  you	
  engage	
  with	
  it?	
  Minimum/maximum?	
  	
  
Student	
  well-­‐being	
  and	
  welfare	
  –	
  anxieties	
  and	
  worries	
  	
  
• How	
  do	
  we	
  as	
  academics	
  and	
  placement	
  providers	
  take	
  the	
  welfare	
  aspects	
  into	
  
consideration?	
  	
  
• Unintended	
  consequences	
  from	
  well-­‐meaning	
  programmes	
  etc.?	
  Whose	
  
responsibility?	
  	
  
• How	
  do	
  we	
  keep	
  the	
  student’s	
  interest	
  at	
  the	
  central	
  focus?	
  	
  
o Are	
  work-­‐placement	
  learning	
  and	
  employability	
  projects	
  really	
  addressing	
  the	
  
interests	
  of	
  the	
  students?	
  	
  
Agendas	
  driven	
  from	
  outside	
  of	
  academia	
  but	
  we	
  still	
  are	
  left	
  to	
  deal	
  with	
  it	
  –	
  also	
  the	
  
unintended	
  consequences.	
  	
  
• How	
  important	
  is	
  this?	
  	
  
o Is	
  it	
  so	
  important	
  that	
  all	
  students	
  should	
  engage	
  in	
  it?	
  	
  
o Are	
  we	
  willing	
  to	
  take	
  the	
  consequences	
  of	
  the	
  voluntary/selective	
  model	
  
(students	
  who	
  engage	
  with	
  this,	
  get	
  on	
  pole	
  position	
  for	
  jobs)?	
  	
  
Employability	
  as	
  a	
  term	
  is	
  individualistic	
  –	
  also	
  individual	
  responsibility	
  if	
  you	
  fail	
  	
  
Myth-­‐busting	
  with	
  work	
  placements	
  is	
  needed	
  	
  
• What	
  is	
  it	
  really	
  about	
  and	
  what	
  does	
  it	
  really	
  try	
  to	
  achieve?	
  	
  
• Focus	
  on	
  the	
  process	
  of	
  a	
  work	
  placement	
  or	
  the	
  outcomes	
  it	
  produces?	
  	
  
• Managing	
  students’	
  expectations	
  	
  
We	
  share	
  a	
  number	
  of	
  anxieties!!!	
  	
  
	
  

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Notes summarising key themes of the discussion during the breakout session on Skills, Ethics and Employability - Mikko Kuisma

  • 1. Workshop  on  Work-­based  Learning  in  Politics  and   International  Studies,  Oxford  Brookes  University  7  April   2014     Breakout  session  on  Skills,  Ethics  and  Employability     Notes  summarising  key  themes  of  the  discussion       Engagement  in  (local)  politics/government  as  a  source  of  empowerment     • Making  sense  of  the  system  –  being  critical     But  should  employability  be  a  central  concern  for  humanities  and  social  sciences?     • What  is  the  point  of  university  education?  Creating  workers  or  empowering  citizens?     Employability  has  been  “hijacked”     • Employers  are  interested  in  university  educated  new  employees  –  is  employability   really  needed  as  an  agenda?     Employability  is  flexibility  –  being  able  to  use  and  apply  your  skills  and  knowledge     • One  size  fits  all?  Possibly  not…     Who  provides  the  necessary  skills  for  employ-­‐ability?  Schools,  universities  and  FE  colleges,   employers?     Disconnect  between  21st  century  youth  and  the  “language”  and  culture  of  politics  as  a   challenge.     • Whose  responsibility  is  it  to  bridge  the  gap?     Q-­‐Step  as  an  initiative  in  providing  quantitative  skills  to  make  “students  useful”  for   placements  providers  and  leading  to  increased  employability.     Cultural  tensions  in  the  employability  “paradigm”  being  ignored  and  neglected?     Potential  tension  between  the  student’s  interests  and  the  employer’s  interests  (learning,   developing,  etc.  vs.  “employing  cheap  labour”?)     • No  finger-­‐pointing  but  there  is  a  serious  ethical  concern  of  placement  students   regularly  filling  gaps  where  organisational  resources  cannot  meet  the  need  for   employing  enough  people.    
  • 2. Payment  as  an  issue?  Minimum  wage  for  work  placements?     • Ethical  issues  linked  to  the  potential  payment  (collusion  between   employer/employee)     • Not  for  profit  organisations  might  find  this  as  a  very  difficult/impossible   requirement?     Do  we  teach  the  “abstract”  or  the  “real  world”?     • Applying  theoretical  knowledge  –  talking  about  the  real  issues     Unequal  access  (structured  inequalities)     Terminology  (work  experience,  placements,  internships  etc.)   • Same  thing  with  different  words  or  actually  different  meanings?     What  work  is  relevant?  How  much  can  you  engage  with  it?  Minimum/maximum?     Student  well-­‐being  and  welfare  –  anxieties  and  worries     • How  do  we  as  academics  and  placement  providers  take  the  welfare  aspects  into   consideration?     • Unintended  consequences  from  well-­‐meaning  programmes  etc.?  Whose   responsibility?     • How  do  we  keep  the  student’s  interest  at  the  central  focus?     o Are  work-­‐placement  learning  and  employability  projects  really  addressing  the   interests  of  the  students?     Agendas  driven  from  outside  of  academia  but  we  still  are  left  to  deal  with  it  –  also  the   unintended  consequences.     • How  important  is  this?     o Is  it  so  important  that  all  students  should  engage  in  it?     o Are  we  willing  to  take  the  consequences  of  the  voluntary/selective  model   (students  who  engage  with  this,  get  on  pole  position  for  jobs)?     Employability  as  a  term  is  individualistic  –  also  individual  responsibility  if  you  fail     Myth-­‐busting  with  work  placements  is  needed     • What  is  it  really  about  and  what  does  it  really  try  to  achieve?     • Focus  on  the  process  of  a  work  placement  or  the  outcomes  it  produces?     • Managing  students’  expectations     We  share  a  number  of  anxieties!!!