RE: [Dev-C++] Forgive me again!

After concluding who has the most average of Internet access, we can =
turn to
how many tv channels/population evey country has. Here in my town we =
have
~=3D20 that I consider serious and we are about 5 million.


People get real! :) Lets stop the discussion whether americans are the
master race, they are not. :) Personally if this war keeps going for =
more
than the next 2 months I foresee them making numoerous movies about how =
they
won in Iraq war (as they did for Vietnam).


But this discussion should not take place... I just posted a message if
anyone wants to go to http://www.peacepledge.org/ just to sign for =
PEACE.

Now this discussion about how americans discovered the fire and made the
civilization I do not know how it came up in the list.


Let's talk about code.



Ioannis Vranos
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-----Original Message-----
From: dev...@li...
[mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Bjorn
Terelius
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 10:14 AM
To: sa...@ho...
Cc: Dev...@li...
Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Forgive me again!


Who has the best access depend upon how you count. Statisics can always =
be
manipulated to show what you want. The following example(follow the link =
at:
http://www.etcnewmedia.com/review/default.asp?SectionID=3D11 to NUA's =
hompage)
could show either that the greatest increase was in the US or that the =
US
had a mere 3% increase.
"The US posted the greatest increase in the number of adults online over =
the
same period with nearly 10 million people over the age of 16 gaining Net
access. As a percentage of population, however this number represents a
three percent increase for the US, compared to Spain which saw a 22 =
percent
rise in the percentage of the population online."

Personally, I don't think the US has an overwhelming superiority in
computer&internet access. We have 4 computers at home (2 of them share a =
2,5
Mbps connection) and that is not uncommon in Sweden. Let's conclude that
many developed contries have good access to the internet, and computers =
in
general.
Best regards
Bjorn Terelius
ps. I'm sorry to violate our agreement to end this discussion. ;-)
>From: "Santiago"=20
>To: "Per Westermark"=20
>CC: "Dev-C++ Mailing List"=20
>Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Forgive me again!=20
>Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 19:08:13 -0500=20
>=20
>Firstable, my apologies for the CAPS. I've tried to keep quiet for too =
long

>now and I just had enough of this anti-American senseless garbage all =
over.

>It's not only by the means of internet access but thanks for the site.=20
>Indeed, let's review your source of data facts:=20
>Demographics=20
>=20
> a.. According to IDATE, 9.8% of the population worldwide had access to =
the

>Internet in 2002, up from 7.9% in 2001. IDATE estimates that the figure
will=20
>reach 15.8% by 2006. The company also provided Internet penetration =
levels=20
>by international regions in 2002: (estimate for 2006 are shown in =
brackets)

> a.. North America: 66.7% (81.0%)=20
>=20
> b.. Western Europe (including Scandinavia): 37.9% (51.4%)=20
>=20
> c.. Eastern Europe (including Russia): 7.0% (15.4%)=20
>=20
> d.. Asia-Pacific: 6.4% (13.3%)=20
>=20
> e.. Latin America: 5.4% (9.1%)=20
>=20
> f.. Africa/Middle East (including Turkey and South Africa): 1.1% =
(3.1%)=20
> (eMarketer Daily - Issue 54, March 2003)=20
>Taken from: =
http://www.etcnewmedia.com/review/default.asp?SectionID=3D10=20
>=20
>This is all besides the fact that Americans have been to more foreign=20
>countries and visited their cultures more then any citizen in the =
planet.=20
>Besides that (hate it or not) America is the most culturally diverse
country=20
>in the world where even foreign American haters living and working here
have=20
>the freedom the express their views without legal reprisal. Let me know =
if=20
>you need more reasons to believe that Americans are the most informed =
(and=20
>nicest) people out there.=20
>I know that what I say may not be in a classic American politically =
correct

>style. However, while I know hatred my obscure reality, I believe it's =
time

>for a "reality check."=20
>=20
>My regards Mr. Per=20
>Santiago=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>----- Original Message -----=20
>From: "Per Westermark"=20
>To: "Santiago"=20
>Cc: "Khalid El-Kary" ;=20
>=20
>Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 8:00 AM=20
>Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Forgive me again!=20
>=20
>=20
> > No, it is NOT a reality that US has 'the best access to WORLD
information'=20
> > if you by that mean internet access, and doesn't count the number of =
spy

> > satellites for minding other countries bussiness.=20
> >=20
> > =
http://eastbay.bizjournals.com/eastbay/stories/2003/02/03/daily25.html=20
> > declares 67% US ADULTS penetration - which of course assumes private =

> > surfing on company time. Let's go for total population instead, =
since=20
> > obviously growing up without free access to uncoloured information=20
> > is important...=20
> >=20
> > If you check TOTAL population, check link:=20
> > http://www.etcnewmedia.com/review/default.asp?SectionID=3D11=20
> >=20
> > 69.8% Iceland=20
> > 67.8% Sweden=20
> > 63.3% Switzerland=20
> > 62.7% Denmark=20
> > 60.8% Netherlands=20
> > 59.6% Hong Kong=20
> > 59.2% Norway=20
> > 57.6% Austria=20
> > 57.3% USA=20
> > 55.9% Canada=20
> > 55.7% South Korea=20
> >=20
> > First of all, it's considered quite rude to shout - using capital
letters=20
> > - in news groups and mails.=20
> >=20
> > Second, to shout without checking facts is even worse.=20
> >=20
> > Might it be that you are not an adult, and hence haven't learned =
correct

> > social behavour? My previous post did not contain any information=20
> > requiring a shouted answer.=20
> >=20
> > /Per W=20
> >=20
> > On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, Santiago wrote:=20
> >=20
> > > Saddam peaceful??? Ok let's see: 8 years of war with Iran out of=20
>nowhere,=20
> > > then invaded Kwait for no reason. And again you WILL NOT dispute =
the=20
>250,000=20
> > > dead people under Saddam regime because you just can't deny that,=20
>neither=20
> > > have an idea on how to explain it or justify it. I'm constantly
reading=20
> > > sites around the world; ther can't be no brain washing here in the
USA.=20
>The=20
> > > US is one of the only countries in which "internet cafes" can't =
work
as=20
>a=20
> > > business. And that's because families here have 1, 2,3, more =
computers

>each,=20
> > > all with internet access. So you could say that Americans have the
best=20
> > > access to WORLD information, better than any other country (I know =
you

>might=20
> > > hate that, it's REALITY). Again, i don't know where you are but if =
in=20
>your=20
> > > country 2+2=3D5, then I'll understabd why you say Saddam is =
peaceful. It

>all=20
> > > comes down to the USA being the best and powerful country in the =
world

>where=20
> > > lots of things you enjoy were invented, including =
computers,computer=20
> > > programming, and C++. So I also understand that it's human nature =
to=20
>hate=20
> > > the BEST regardless of the facts. But at the end you and everyone =
else

>will=20
> > > still want to be like the best.=20
> > > Saddam is evil and must go very soon and any other evil county =
MUST=20
>until=20
> > > there's no more crazy fanatic regimes threating this blessed land! =

> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > ----- Original Message -----=20
> > > From: "Khalid El-Kary"=20
> > > To:=20
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 6:34 PM=20
> > > Subject: [Dev-C++] Forgive me again!=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > > Hi again fellow,=20
> > > >=20
> > > > >See , I didn't say the main purpose of the US was to rescue =
those=20
>poor=20
> > > > >people. However, the result of the US going in, will be peace,=20
>stability,=20
> > > >=20
> > > > so you believe that US isn't there for rescuing people ?=20
> > > > did they tell you that before USA came saddam killed people in
groups?=20
>why=20
> > > > do they raise his name and his pictures in TV ? are these poor
people=20
> > > > kidding us in war ?=20
> > > > Iraq was peaceful until you came, if it wasn't, people wouldn't =
have

> > > killed=20
> > > > you fellow, people would have really put flowers for you to get =
in,=20
>but=20
> > > this=20
> > > > is not true, Iraqi people, are currently killing US soldiers who =
are

>your=20
> > > > brothers as i suppose. how can you explain to me that a civilian
Iraqi=20
> > > woman=20
> > > > kills three US soldiers ? do you think such a woman, doesn't =
love=20
>saddam ?=20
> > > > Iraqi people love saddam, this is not my words, it's words of =
people

>who=20
> > > > went to Iraq, my maths teacher was there, he told me that Iraqi
people=20
> > > love=20
> > > > saddam more than any thing ... so can saddam be killing them in=20
>streets ?=20
> > > >=20
> > > > >and much more lives will be saved than if saddam would stay.=20
> > > > >The main purpose of us going in is our defense. Throughout the=20
>history of=20
> > > > >the US and the world, all countries have REACTED to aggression. =

> > > > >Unfortunatelly, September 11th, 2001 changed US and world =
history.=20
>The=20
> > > US=20
> > > >=20
> > > > you are poor, really poor, because you don't know the truth =
fellow,=20
>didn't=20
> > > > you ask yourself why did the people attack you in 11th September =
?=20
>would=20
> > > > they attack to just die ? are they just "coward mad people" ?=20
> > > > I don't think so, they attacked you because you have a hand in =
all=20
>that's=20
> > > > done for palastine, you support Israel, can you hide it ?=20
> > > > I don't say that the attack was justice, but the attack wasn't a =

>pointless=20
> > > > act, and you should (instead of pro-acting) stop supporting the
injust=20
> > > power=20
> > > > of Israel. oh and even more, USA attacked afhganistan and killed =

>innocent=20
> > > > people without bringing a proof that Usama Bin Laden is =
responsible=20
>...=20
> > > one=20
> > > > of the things that happened there is, destroying an Afghani =
hospital
?=20
>plz=20
> > > > study the truth very well, don't just listen to your TV, it's =
edited

>to=20
> > > > blind you, use your mind to figure the truth out, our TV may =
blind
us=20
>too=20
> > > by=20
> > > > the way, but I think deeper.=20
> > > >=20
> > > > >is no longer going to REACT, it from now on will PRO-ACT. And
that's=20
> > > >=20
> > > > sacrastic again...and kill innocent people in its PRO-ACT ?=20
> > > >=20
> > > > >something the world is going to have to get used to. Before
Sep11th,=20
>I=20
> > > > >wou;d=20
> > > >=20
> > > > So you dismiss justice ? i'm worried that saddam is going to be =
an=20
>angel=20
> > > if=20
> > > > compared with you, return to justice plz.=20
> > > >=20
> > > > >have disagree with the war. But as you know after Sep 11th we =
were=20
> > > attacked=20
> > > >=20
> > > > Killing children doesn't have special circumstances where it's=20
>allowed,=20
> > > your=20
> > > > hand is soiled in their blood. my hand too, because i didn't =
stand
to=20
> > > defend=20
> > > > them.=20
> > > >=20
> > > > >with biological and weapons, which CANNOT be contained like=20
>communism. We=20
> > > >=20
> > > > they didn't find these weapons so far, and they weren't found =
before

>the=20
> > > > war, right ? or you attack for the possibilty even ?=20
> > > >=20
> > > > >HAVE to take action against ANT THREAT before it can even get =
here.

>So=20
> > > it's=20
> > > > >all about life or dead.=20
> > > >=20
> > > > It's all about innocent blood shed, but our god is fair, and =
days
will=20
> > > make=20
> > > > everyone responsible for innocent blood pay for it.=20
> > > >=20
> > > > >I hope the US continues to be PROACTIVE in the face of =
biological
or=20
> > > > >chemical threats and I hope some day the world understands that =

>because=20
> > > > >from=20
> > > > >now on there is no turning back.=20
> > > >=20
> > > > you remind me of the matrix movie, no turning back, are they a =
herd
of=20
> > > > sheeps that you kill them with "no turning back" ? they are =
humans
we=20
> > > should=20
> > > > think 1000000 times before we kill one of them. return to =
justice
plz.=20
> > > >=20
> > > > your speech is no longer about justice, it's about =
pre-protection of

> > > yours,=20
> > > > which means killing innocent children, and you could have =
avoided it

>if=20
> > > you=20
> > > > didn't become our center of hatred, by what you did along the =
years=20
>with=20
> > > our=20
> > > > brothers in palastine, now you are even going further, but =
there's a

>god=20
> > > > above, who sees you, and hears you.=20
> > > >=20
> > > > I'm really sorry for the mailing list, i promise not to post =
about=20
>this=20
> > > > topic again, it's for Dev-C++ isn't it ? :)=20
> > > >=20
> > > > Regards,=20
> > > > Khalid AL-Kary=20
> > > >=20
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