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Quoting Jim Duda (3/31/06 3:40 PM):

> Maybe an xPL front-end to owfs might be better?

I wouldn't say inherently better as it's a matter of integration
preference.  I've noted what I believe are some advantages below.

> I 'm going out on a limb and thinking Gregg might prefer the xPL front-end 
> option.

Ironically, I was thinking about this the other day.  Unfortunately, it
hasn't gotten any further out of the "thinking" stage (except my brief
perusal of the OWFS docs) as I don't yet have that equipment (having a
TOM10 board for temps instead).

One advantage of xAP or xPL over other techniques is that the
"front-end" ought to be smart enough to detect state changes (where the
delta could be individually configurable) and offer periodic status
(state) reports on a frequency that is individually configurable.  That
would mean no "polling" on mh's part at all.  In addition, the raw
xAP/xPL mh objects automatically save values in a hash--making parsing
unnecessary (unless the value itself is "packed").  Lastly, existing
support permits "alarms" (e.g., speak "Temperature sensor is no longer
reporting") if the xAP/xPL source goes "off-line".

If you have interest in pursuing an xPL or xAP solution before I have
real equipment, then I'd be more than happy to help--just unable to do
any testing.

Gregg

Currently, serial ports in mh are hard coded to no parity.  See around line
4882 of bin/mh.

It looks pretty trivial to allow a choice of parity.  If you don't feel up
to the challenge, I would be happy to try to implement the change for you.

Matt

Gaetan Lord wrote:
> I haven't look in the code, but I think something like
> $lorex->parity("odd");
> should do the job
> 
> 
> Brent DeShazer wrote:
>> I need to create a generic serial port that uses odd parity. I am
>> currently
>> using something like this to define the port:
>>
>> codefile -
>>
>> $lorex=new  Serial_Item(undef, undef, 'serial3');
>>
>> and in my mh.private.ini serial3 is defined as:
>>
>> serial3_port=/dev/quad1
>> serial3_baudrate=9600
>> serial3_handshake=none
>> serial3_datatype=raw
>>
>> What do I need to do to set this to use odd parity? It looks like
>> everythign
>> everyone
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brent
>>
>>
>>
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Jim Duda wrote:
> Gaetan,
>
> My understanding of owfs is that it would disconnect the slow speed
> of the one-wire bus from misterhouse.  The OW::get and puts should
> be fast and the owfserver would handle the bus at bus speed in the
> background.
>
> For example, a get ( path/temperature ) might be stale, but not that
> stale.
>
> Are you telling me if I attempted a scan of 9 items inside
> MH using OW::get, you would expect MH to stall?
>   

No really, but if there is anything with owfs, and it never got back 
correctly,
then misterhouse will hang waiting for the data. It's only precaution.
I try to put outside misterhouse any device that doesn't require realtime
and use misterhouse to manage the result.

I do the same thing with webcam, VOCP etc.  Misterhouse react only if a 
change occurs,
and don't manage anything.
> Jim
>
>
> "Gaetan Lord" <mis...@ga...> wrote in message 
> news:442...@ga......
>   
>> Jim
>>
>> I do have the Hobby-board hub, and many sensors  (9) in star 
>> configuration.
>> You will notice that to scan all of them, it take quite a long time.
>>
>> The way I end up doing it, is the following.
>>
>> I have a cron job running every 5 minutes and collecting iButtons data.
>> I  use OW::get to collect the data and put in a file.
>>
>> Then every 5 seconds, inside Misterhouse, I check if the iButton data file
>> was changed. If so, I parse the file to get the new data.
>>
>> This way, no matter what happens with Ibutton collection, it doesn't hang
>> misterhouse. Probably a workaround is to run a mh proxy for this. I rather 
>> prefer
>> the other way.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Duda wrote:
>>     
>>> I've recently purchased a bunch of one-wire sensors from hobby-boards. 
>>> I'm in the process
>>> of deploying temperature sensors through my house, using a star network 
>>> from the one-wire hub.
>>>
>>> I'm looking at the iButton.pm code.
>>>
>>> Can anyone tell me if iButtons.pm will work with a hub?  It doesn't look 
>>> like it does.
>>>
>>> I have owfs (owfw.sourceforge.net) installed and it appears to work well 
>>> through the hubs.
>>> Owfs has a perl interface to the owfserver using swig.  It's a very 
>>> simple interface.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking of creating a companion owfs.pm to access the one-wire 
>>> devices through the
>>> owfs code instead of the mh one-wire driver.
>>>
>>> Does this make sense?    This would only be applicable to linux.
>>>
>>> Maybe an xPL front-end to owfs might be better?
>>>
>>> I 'm going out on a limb and thinking Gregg might prefer the xPL 
>>> front-end option.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Gaetan,

My understanding of owfs is that it would disconnect the slow speed
of the one-wire bus from misterhouse.  The OW::get and puts should
be fast and the owfserver would handle the bus at bus speed in the
background.

For example, a get ( path/temperature ) might be stale, but not that
stale.

Are you telling me if I attempted a scan of 9 items inside
MH using OW::get, you would expect MH to stall?

Jim


"Gaetan Lord" <mis...@ga...> wrote in message 
news:442...@ga......
> Jim
>
> I do have the Hobby-board hub, and many sensors  (9) in star 
> configuration.
> You will notice that to scan all of them, it take quite a long time.
>
> The way I end up doing it, is the following.
>
> I have a cron job running every 5 minutes and collecting iButtons data.
> I  use OW::get to collect the data and put in a file.
>
> Then every 5 seconds, inside Misterhouse, I check if the iButton data file
> was changed. If so, I parse the file to get the new data.
>
> This way, no matter what happens with Ibutton collection, it doesn't hang
> misterhouse. Probably a workaround is to run a mh proxy for this. I rather 
> prefer
> the other way.
>
>
>
> Jim Duda wrote:
>> I've recently purchased a bunch of one-wire sensors from hobby-boards. 
>> I'm in the process
>> of deploying temperature sensors through my house, using a star network 
>> from the one-wire hub.
>>
>> I'm looking at the iButton.pm code.
>>
>> Can anyone tell me if iButtons.pm will work with a hub?  It doesn't look 
>> like it does.
>>
>> I have owfs (owfw.sourceforge.net) installed and it appears to work well 
>> through the hubs.
>> Owfs has a perl interface to the owfserver using swig.  It's a very 
>> simple interface.
>>
>> I'm thinking of creating a companion owfs.pm to access the one-wire 
>> devices through the
>> owfs code instead of the mh one-wire driver.
>>
>> Does this make sense?    This would only be applicable to linux.
>>
>> Maybe an xPL front-end to owfs might be better?
>>
>> I 'm going out on a limb and thinking Gregg might prefer the xPL 
>> front-end option.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
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Matthew Williams wrote:
> Gaetan,
>
> User control was definitely one of the key attributes of wikispaces that
> made it the right choice at the time.  Free was also a nice attribute.
> Getting people to pay for a better wiki is an interesting idea - here are my
> 2 cents:
>
> - It may be difficult to get $50 out of the community, especially if it is
> an annual cost.  Of course, maybe only I'm a cheap SOB! :-)
> - If we end up not being able to afford the $50 at the beginning of the
> annual cycle, we'll need to move the wiki to another platform.  Moving the
> pages isn't fun, especially if we've counted on features that are not
> available on other sites.
> - Another option is for one of us to host a wiki ourselves.  The bad thing
> about self-hosting isn't the bandwidth or server space - they were both
> offered, it's the management headache (backups, spammers, DoS attacks,
> upgrading, user management).
>   

see below


> - If you have a complicated page that isn't suitable for wikispaces, but
> wikispaces is sufficient for 95% of the pages, then it may make sense to
> host your specific page somewhere else and place a link in the wiki.  For
> your sake, just make sure that it's well backed up and protected from hackers.
>   

After I sent my email, I taught about this. I could definitely setup a 
wiki on my personal external server
and put a small page on wikispace to redirect the user on my personal 
page. I do have
internal wiki, for the job etc. I'll have to look about wiki hacking and 
see if I could have something
secure on the internet. I'm open to install the MH wiki on my website, 
if we could be sure we have something
secure.

I know at my job, we implement login, but it's internal website, so no 
big risk of hacking.

> Now, I'm not saying that I'm against paying for a better wiki experience,
> it's just that I'm not sure that it's justified.  If there is agreement that
> we need a better experience, then I would be happy to contribute $5.
>   

I agree, and my email was only reflecting my personal experience, 
probably wikispace will
fit 99% of our need. Jocelyn document contains a lot of table/images, 
and I only
got frustrated trying to reproduce a similar wiki page.

> Matt
>
> Gaetan Lord wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'd like to share my taught about the new wiki, to see if I'm the only one
>> having some frustration using it. First, I'd like to thanks Matthews about
>> this initiative to bring back the misterhouse wiki.
>>
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John,

I'll give them a test drive.

Jim
  "John Murphy" <jo...@wy...> wrote in message =
news:544...@ma......
  I have updated the misterhouse versions of Connection.pm and Device.pm =
to support hubs, but I don't know that my implementation is all that =
great.  It works, and I'll share it if anyone is interested, but it just =
doesn't 'feel pretty' (tm). :)



  On 3/31/06, Jim Duda <ji...@du...> wrote:
    I've recently purchased a bunch of one-wire sensors from =
hobby-boards.  I'm
    in the process
    of deploying temperature sensors through my house, using a star =
network from
    the one-wire hub.

    I'm looking at the iButton.pm code.

    Can anyone tell me if iButtons.pm will work with a hub?  It doesn't =
look
    like it does.

    I have owfs (owfw.sourceforge.net) installed and it appears to work =
well=20
    through the hubs.
    Owfs has a perl interface to the owfserver using swig.  It's a very =
simple
    interface.

    I'm thinking of creating a companion owfs.pm to access the one-wire =
devices=20
    through the
    owfs code instead of the mh one-wire driver.

    Does this make sense?    This would only be applicable to linux.

    Maybe an xPL front-end to owfs might be better?

    I 'm going out on a limb and thinking Gregg might prefer the xPL =
front-end=20
    option.

    Jim





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Jim

I do have the Hobby-board hub, and many sensors  (9) in star configuration.
You will notice that to scan all of them, it take quite a long time.

The way I end up doing it, is the following.

I have a cron job running every 5 minutes and collecting iButtons data.
I  use OW::get to collect the data and put in a file.

Then every 5 seconds, inside Misterhouse, I check if the iButton data file
was changed. If so, I parse the file to get the new data.

This way, no matter what happens with Ibutton collection, it doesn't hang
misterhouse. Probably a workaround is to run a mh proxy for this. I 
rather prefer
the other way.



Jim Duda wrote:
> I've recently purchased a bunch of one-wire sensors from hobby-boards.  I'm 
> in the process
> of deploying temperature sensors through my house, using a star network from 
> the one-wire hub.
>
> I'm looking at the iButton.pm code.
>
> Can anyone tell me if iButtons.pm will work with a hub?  It doesn't look 
> like it does.
>
> I have owfs (owfw.sourceforge.net) installed and it appears to work well 
> through the hubs.
> Owfs has a perl interface to the owfserver using swig.  It's a very simple 
> interface.
>
> I'm thinking of creating a companion owfs.pm to access the one-wire devices 
> through the
> owfs code instead of the mh one-wire driver.
>
> Does this make sense?    This would only be applicable to linux.
>
> Maybe an xPL front-end to owfs might be better?
>
> I 'm going out on a limb and thinking Gregg might prefer the xPL front-end 
> option.
>
> Jim 
>
>
>
>
>
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Gaetan,

User control was definitely one of the key attributes of wikispaces that
made it the right choice at the time.  Free was also a nice attribute.
Getting people to pay for a better wiki is an interesting idea - here are my
2 cents:

- It may be difficult to get $50 out of the community, especially if it is
an annual cost.  Of course, maybe only I'm a cheap SOB! :-)
- If we end up not being able to afford the $50 at the beginning of the
annual cycle, we'll need to move the wiki to another platform.  Moving the
pages isn't fun, especially if we've counted on features that are not
available on other sites.
- Another option is for one of us to host a wiki ourselves.  The bad thing
about self-hosting isn't the bandwidth or server space - they were both
offered, it's the management headache (backups, spammers, DoS attacks,
upgrading, user management).
- If you have a complicated page that isn't suitable for wikispaces, but
wikispaces is sufficient for 95% of the pages, then it may make sense to
host your specific page somewhere else and place a link in the wiki.  For
your sake, just make sure that it's well backed up and protected from hackers.

Now, I'm not saying that I'm against paying for a better wiki experience,
it's just that I'm not sure that it's justified.  If there is agreement that
we need a better experience, then I would be happy to contribute $5.

Matt

Gaetan Lord wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'd like to share my taught about the new wiki, to see if I'm the only one
> having some frustration using it. First, I'd like to thanks Matthews about
> this initiative to bring back the misterhouse wiki.
> 
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I have updated the misterhouse versions of Connection.pm and Device.pm to
support hubs, but I don't know that my implementation is all that great.  I=
t
works, and I'll share it if anyone is interested, but it just doesn't 'feel
pretty' (tm). :)


On 3/31/06, Jim Duda <ji...@du...> wrote:
>
> I've recently purchased a bunch of one-wire sensors from
> hobby-boards.  I'm
> in the process
> of deploying temperature sensors through my house, using a star network
> from
> the one-wire hub.
>
> I'm looking at the iButton.pm code.
>
> Can anyone tell me if iButtons.pm will work with a hub?  It doesn't look
> like it does.
>
> I have owfs (owfw.sourceforge.net) installed and it appears to work well
> through the hubs.
> Owfs has a perl interface to the owfserver using swig.  It's a very simpl=
e
> interface.
>
> I'm thinking of creating a companion owfs.pm to access the one-wire
> devices
> through the
> owfs code instead of the mh one-wire driver.
>
> Does this make sense?    This would only be applicable to linux.
>
> Maybe an xPL front-end to owfs might be better?
>
> I 'm going out on a limb and thinking Gregg might prefer the xPL front-en=
d
> option.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
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I've recently purchased a bunch of one-wire sensors from hobby-boards.  I'm 
in the process
of deploying temperature sensors through my house, using a star network from 
the one-wire hub.

I'm looking at the iButton.pm code.

Can anyone tell me if iButtons.pm will work with a hub?  It doesn't look 
like it does.

I have owfs (owfw.sourceforge.net) installed and it appears to work well 
through the hubs.
Owfs has a perl interface to the owfserver using swig.  It's a very simple 
interface.

I'm thinking of creating a companion owfs.pm to access the one-wire devices 
through the
owfs code instead of the mh one-wire driver.

Does this make sense?    This would only be applicable to linux.

Maybe an xPL front-end to owfs might be better?

I 'm going out on a limb and thinking Gregg might prefer the xPL front-end 
option.

Jim 

That RooTilt motion control module is cool.  There is video to show it 
off.  Awesome. 

Ralph Mitchell wrote:
> I don't have a Roomba (yet :) but I just saw this:
>
> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=684
>
> Basically, it's a Bluetooth module that plugs into a Roomba serial
> port for cable-less control, for $100.    They also do a wireless
> accelerometer/tilt controller for steering the Roomba.
>
> Disclaimer:  I have no connection with Sparkfun, but they do have cool stuff.
>
> Ralph Mitchell

Rob,

You may want to look at this site
http://www.hacs.com/index.html

You may find what you want either now
or in the future.

Cheers
JCT

Le 2006-03-31, =E0 16:05 GMT+0200, Robert Rozman =E9crivait :
>Hi,
>
>
>I'm implementing my whole house audio system (low cost variant -
>multichannel sound card outputing to 4 amps - each amp would then be
>assigned to each group of speakers - each pair of speakers would be=
 switched
>to amplified signal).
>
>Currently I have device similar to this one :
>
>http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=3D9325&doy=3D30m3&C=3DSEO&U=3D=
Template
>
>and it works ok (no cracks on switching). Now I'd like to have similar
>device that could be controlled from automation system (digital output,=
 i2c,
>rs232, etc..).
>
>Anyone aware of such devices ? Any other advice to solve this ?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Regards,
>
>Rob.

How about build one with a relay card and some resistors?


-----Original Message-----
From: mis...@li...
[mailto:mis...@li...] On Behalf Of =
Robert
Rozman
Sent: March 31, 2006 9:06 AM
To: mis...@li...
Subject: [mh] Looking for digitally controlled speaker switch


Hi,


I'm implementing my whole house audio system (low cost variant -
multichannel sound card outputing to 4 amps - each amp would then be
assigned to each group of speakers - each pair of speakers would be =
switched
to amplified signal).

Currently I have device similar to this one :

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=3D9325&doy=3D30m3&C=3DSEO&U=3D=
Template

and it works ok (no cracks on switching). Now I'd like to have similar
device that could be controlled from automation system (digital output, =
i2c,
rs232, etc..).

Anyone aware of such devices ? Any other advice to solve this ?

Thanks in advance,

Regards,

Rob.



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I just remembered something else - my communication reliability with X10
protocol went way up with misterhouse being the only transmitter - all =
my RF
signals come back through the W800RF32A module rather than RF -> X10 =
over
the powerline. As a result there is no opportunity for collisions, and =
no
need for collision detection - something the protocol lacks.

-----Original Message-----
From: mis...@li...
[mailto:mis...@li...] On Behalf Of Joey
French
Sent: March 30, 2006 7:56 PM
To: mis...@li...
Subject: Re: [mh] So, tell me about the CM11A...




Thanks a ton, everyone. I will give the "all off" test a try and see =
what
it's looking like.

I will also report back as soon as I see a problem with mine, and try to =
see
if it matches anyone else's problems, troubleshooting, how to fix it, =
etc.
Just out of curiosity, what type of module is say, more reliable than =
the
cm11, any of the Insteon, smarthome, etc? How easily are they =
implemented?
How about the MH code for these other modules?=20

Joey French

Hi,


I'm implementing my whole house audio system (low cost variant -
multichannel sound card outputing to 4 amps - each amp would then be
assigned to each group of speakers - each pair of speakers would be switched
to amplified signal).

Currently I have device similar to this one :

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=9325&doy=30m3&C=SEO&U=Template

and it works ok (no cracks on switching). Now I'd like to have similar
device that could be controlled from automation system (digital output, i2c,
rs232, etc..).

Anyone aware of such devices ? Any other advice to solve this ?

Thanks in advance,

Regards,

Rob.

That will work.  Thanks Matt!!

"Matthew Williams" <mat...@us...> wrote in message 
news:442...@us......
> Jim,
>
> I too have suffered from random lock-ups on and off over the years.  I use 
> a
> WatchDog type of functionality that I describe in the wiki to make a 
> lock-up
> much less painless:
>
> http://misterhouse.wikispaces.com/WatchDog
>
> I can't seem to nail what causes the lock-ups as they are rare and don't
> seem to be tied to any external events that I can detect.
>
> Matt
>
> Jim Duda wrote:
>> I've experienced 3 lock ups of misterhouse over the past 2 weeks.  For no
>> apparent reason.
>> The log file stops ( I get Saving Object States entries each minute, at a
>> minumum ).
>> The linux perl process is still active, and not spinning, because it 
>> isn't
>> taking over the CPU.
>> The http server stops.
>>
>> I haven't upgraded in a while ( I'm currently on 2.100 ).
>> I'm always making some code "tweaks", but nothing major recently.
>>
>> Has anyone else experienced such a thing?
>> It's obviously stuck or blocked on something (socket, I/O, etc).
>> How do I debug this?
>>
>> I have a cron deamon which will restart MH if it crashes and disappears, 
>> but
>> I don't have
>> any means to detect when it's "stuck".
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
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I need to create a generic serial port that uses odd parity. I am currently
using something like this to define the port:

codefile -

$lorex=new  Serial_Item(undef, undef, 'serial3');

and in my mh.private.ini serial3 is defined as:

serial3_port=/dev/quad1
serial3_baudrate=9600
serial3_handshake=none
serial3_datatype=raw

What do I need to do to set this to use odd parity? It looks like everythign
everyone

Thanks,

Brent

On 3/27/06, Neil Cherry <nc...@co...> wrote:
> Matt wrote:
>
> > Its fun that effort was put into creating Control of RoboSapien,
> > ESRA, and ER1 robots. However, control of the Roomba could go much
> > further to taking MH to the next level.  I am not at the level to
> > create the module but really its not if but when someone creates the
> > module so that MH controls a roomba.  Laptop with MH on it placed on
> > a Roomba with a camera could be a very feature filled robot.  With
> > the discovery model it could even recharge the roomba portion of the
> > robot or telepresence robot.  This guy already has it working in java
> > so how hard would it be to control it with perl?
> > http://todbot.com/blog/2006/01/25/roomba-hacking-via-serial-tether/
> > Roombas are much cheaper than the ER1 and if one breaks not a huge
> > outlay to buy another.
>
>
> Why bother with a serial tether? This is a good place for a wireless
> (900 MHz maybe) serial connection. It is more expensive but probably
> a good choice for this application. Someone else suggested Bluetooth
> (web site blog commenter) probably not a bad idea. I don't know
> which would be cheaper.


I don't have a Roomba (yet :) but I just saw this:

http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=3D684

Basically, it's a Bluetooth module that plugs into a Roomba serial
port for cable-less control, for $100.    They also do a wireless
accelerometer/tilt controller for steering the Roomba.

Disclaimer:  I have no connection with Sparkfun, but they do have cool stuf=
f.

Ralph Mitchell

Hi,

I'd like to share my taught about the new wiki, to see if I'm the only one
having some frustration using it. First, I'd like to thanks Matthews about
this initiative to bring back the misterhouse wiki.

Over the last 3 days, I try to put Jocelyn document, about the DSC5401 
module,
online in the new wiki, but that's a PITA. I understand clearly the 
rationale
behind the choice, and I agree with it (free, user control etc.). This is
good, but I believe it's the only good things about wikispace. When come
time to write nice web page, or long document with images, tables, there is
no flexibility. I agree the  GUI editor is nice, but lack of wiki feature,
even when using the manual editor.

- no center possible
- very basic table structure
- no embedded html
etc.

I try to look myself at other alternative, I haven't found free site 
with the
same user control. I went back to old email, to see what was discuss about
the Wiki, and there was talk about pbwiki. I did try the site, and yes, 
there
is a lack of user management but there is way much more flexibility in 
editing.

better table handling with pure html code

+-----+-----+-----+
|     |     |     |
+-----+     +-----|
|     |     |     |
+-----+-----+-----+

box around text
etc.

If we would like to have user management, we have to subscribe. I believe we
should investigate this route. The annual fee would be 50.00. I personnaly
believe that if we find 10 persons paying 5.00 we could have a wiki 
online for
the next year. Sourceforge allow members to receive donation, this might be
an easy way via PayPal, to collect money to a single person (Matthew/Bruce),
and have him subscribing to the site. If we are not please after 1 year,
the site provide a backup procedure, so we could get an archive of what was
done, and move to a other site. Oh, and by the way, when we contribute for
this silver service, you get ad-free wiki. :)

I don't have any problem contributing $20.00 for the coming year, 
Misterhouse
being free, I believe it's nothing for all the pleasure I get using 
Misterhouse
the whole year.

Anyway, this is just comments, and I'm looking forward to see if I'm the
only one being frustrated and if so, I will not go further in this debate.

Comments are welcome, and also other constructive idea to get a better
misterhouse.

Thanks

Hum, not sure if I understand your question.

When MH do your scan, which I believe should be every few seconds,
your while(</commands/*.x10>)  will do a sort on the filenames
and run the script for every files in the /commands directory. After =
it=20
did process the file, the unlink
will erase the file, so I  would  use a filename like "x10.#####", wh=
ere=20
##### could be the value
returned by the time(), in perl, or the value from the command date=
=20
"+%s". This will return
the number of second since 1970. You will never get the same number=
=20
unless you have 2 events
happening in 1 second. Doing so, you will be sure the sort will done=
=20
=66rom the oldest to the newest,
because the sort done by the while command is done from the 0 to 9=
=20
(ascending). Remember the file is erase by the unlink,
so once it has been processed, it will not be again. Instead of doing=
 an=20
unlink, you could rename the file
like "Done_X10.######", so you could keep a trace of what was handle =
by=20
MH, and also this name
will not be catch again by the while loop.

Hope this answer your Q, if not try to be more precise.


Kurt Andr=E9 Selbach wrote:
> Hi!
>
> This sounds like a very nice idea, and it's well expandable.
>
> Now i have a program which reads the /dev/cm19a fifo/device file, a=
nd
> put's these into /commands/*.x10
>
> Misterhouse now sees these files and scans them via your code, and
> gives me the external input. /just what i wanted.
>
> But there is one thing. if i expand this system, how can i be sure
> misterhouse allways opens the last files first?(date checking)
> "while (</commands/*.x10>) {" <--is the only thing i modified in yo=
ur code.
>
> I think a problem might occure if i get
> +b1
> -b1
> within the new "scan" - and since it's going to control heating - i
> want it to be as reliable as it can :)
>
> once again, thank you all for reply!
>
>
> On 3/24/06, Gaetan Lord <mis...@ga...> wrote:
>  =20
>> Hi Kurt
>>
>> As Matthew said, telnet is a solution, but I will  suggest you ano=
ther one.
>> I have many systems in my house that have message to be speak on t=
he
>> speaker. I have a mechanism to
>> send them on my misterhouse system, and put them in a file, then
>> misterhouse detect a new file
>> and speak the content.
>>
>> What I would suggest, is to use the same things to achieve what yo=
u want.
>> If your external apps could write the value in a file, let say you=
 put
>> this information
>> in /tmp/extinput.
>>
>> Then the following code will set $Input to the content of the file
>>
>> my $Input;
>> if ( new_second ) {
>> while (</tmp/extinput>) {
>>       my $File =3D $_;
>>       open F, "$File " or  print_log "Can't open file $_ to proces=
s
>> external  input";
>>
>>       $Input =3D '';
>>       while (<F>) {
>>          chomp;
>>          $Input =3D  $_;
>>       }
>>       close F;
>>       print_log "Receive external input : $Input" if $Input ne '';
>>       unlink $File;
>>    }
>> }
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Note, the new_second will allow you to scan the directory once a s=
econd,
>> to reduce load. This
>> could be set to a bigger value, see the doc.
>>
>> Also, this assume that extinput will not be written more than once=
 a
>> second. If you write more,
>> than a slightly different version of this script need to be use.
>>
>> Hope this help
>>
>> Kurt Andr=E9 Selbach wrote:
>>    =20
>>> Hi misterhouse users!
>>>
>>> First i need to say that misterhouse is very amazing, and works g=
reat.
>>>
>>> I got one question.
>>>
>>> When misterhouse is looping my perl scripts, X times a second, i =
want
>>> it to be able to get data from an external process.
>>>
>>> the $input (in this case the string A1ON) should be set from a
>>> terminal, for example:
>>> /opt/misterhouse/bin/misterhouse A1ON
>>>
>>> if ($input eq 'A1ON') {
>>>  print_log " A1ON MOTION DETECTED";
>>> }
>>> elsif ($input eq 'A1OFF') {
>>>  print_log " A1OFF Silence ";
>>> }
>>> else
>>> {
>>>  #No input.
>>> }
>>>
>>> There might be other ways of doing this, but since i know how to =
get
>>> these messages from my cm19a, and i havent found much information
>>> about cm19a, and misterhouse. i think this would be the easiest w=
ay:
>>>
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floorplan.pl doesn't seem to include the case of the user not using 
the Door_Item, Light_Item, etc. modules, and just using the RF items.

This should improve that. It should go after the 'Door_Item' elsif case:

         } elsif ($p_obj->isa('RF_Item')) {
                 # Not setting $l_state because MH can't transmit it 
to Security.
                 if (lc($p_obj->state) =~ /^arm/) {
                         $l_image='fp-alarm-armed.gif';
                 } elsif  (lc($p_obj->state) eq  'disarm') {
                         $l_image='fp-alarm-disable.gif';
                 } elsif  (lc($p_obj->state) eq  'panic') {
                         $l_image='fp-alarm-panic.gif';
                 } elsif  (lc($p_obj->state) eq  'alert') {
                         $l_image='fp-door-open.png';
                 } elsif  (lc($p_obj->state) =~  /^normal/) {
                         $l_image='fp-door-closed.png';
                 } else { $l_image='x.gif';
                 }

It also needs images (attached)

Hope someone finds that useful!

Enjoy!

Rick


Rick Steeves
ri...@si...                               http://www.sinister.net

In the /ia5 interface, under "Light/Appliances" > Floorplan View, 
there are instructions that say check the FAQ at 1.20, yet the FAQ 
has been updated, and that information is no longer there.

The link in /ia5/lights/menu should probably be
<a href="/https/sourceforge.net/bin/floorplan.pl"><img src="images/floorplan.gif" 
alt='Floorplan' border="0"></a><br>


Rick



Rick Steeves
ri...@si...                               http://www.sinister.net

Hi!

This sounds like a very nice idea, and it's well expandable.

Now i have a program which reads the /dev/cm19a fifo/device file, and
put's these into /commands/*.x10

Misterhouse now sees these files and scans them via your code, and
gives me the external input. /just what i wanted.

But there is one thing. if i expand this system, how can i be sure
misterhouse allways opens the last files first?(date checking)
"while (</commands/*.x10>) {" <--is the only thing i modified in your code.

I think a problem might occure if i get
+b1
-b1
within the new "scan" - and since it's going to control heating - i
want it to be as reliable as it can :)

once again, thank you all for reply!


On 3/24/06, Gaetan Lord <mis...@ga...> wrote:
> Hi Kurt
>
> As Matthew said, telnet is a solution, but I will  suggest you another on=
e.
> I have many systems in my house that have message to be speak on the
> speaker. I have a mechanism to
> send them on my misterhouse system, and put them in a file, then
> misterhouse detect a new file
> and speak the content.
>
> What I would suggest, is to use the same things to achieve what you want.
> If your external apps could write the value in a file, let say you put
> this information
> in /tmp/extinput.
>
> Then the following code will set $Input to the content of the file
>
> my $Input;
> if ( new_second ) {
> while (</tmp/extinput>) {
>       my $File =3D $_;
>       open F, "$File " or  print_log "Can't open file $_ to process
> external  input";
>
>       $Input =3D '';
>       while (<F>) {
>          chomp;
>          $Input =3D  $_;
>       }
>       close F;
>       print_log "Receive external input : $Input" if $Input ne '';
>       unlink $File;
>    }
> }
>
>
>
>
> Note, the new_second will allow you to scan the directory once a second,
> to reduce load. This
> could be set to a bigger value, see the doc.
>
> Also, this assume that extinput will not be written more than once a
> second. If you write more,
> than a slightly different version of this script need to be use.
>
> Hope this help
>
> Kurt Andr=E9 Selbach wrote:
> > Hi misterhouse users!
> >
> > First i need to say that misterhouse is very amazing, and works great.
> >
> > I got one question.
> >
> > When misterhouse is looping my perl scripts, X times a second, i want
> > it to be able to get data from an external process.
> >
> > the $input (in this case the string A1ON) should be set from a
> > terminal, for example:
> > /opt/misterhouse/bin/misterhouse A1ON
> >
> > if ($input eq 'A1ON') {
> >  print_log " A1ON MOTION DETECTED";
> > }
> > elsif ($input eq 'A1OFF') {
> >  print_log " A1OFF Silence ";
> > }
> > else
> > {
> >  #No input.
> > }
> >
> > There might be other ways of doing this, but since i know how to get
> > these messages from my cm19a, and i havent found much information
> > about cm19a, and misterhouse. i think this would be the easiest way:
> >
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Thanks a ton, everyone. I will give the "all off" test a try and see what
it's looking like.

I will also report back as soon as I see a problem with mine, and try to se=
e
if it matches anyone else's problems, troubleshooting, how to fix it, etc.
Just out of curiosity, what type of module is say, more reliable than the
cm11, any of the Insteon, smarthome, etc? How easily are they implemented?
How about the MH code for these other modules?

Joey French

Joey,
=20
I have a CM11A and I don't have any lock up problems - I have written in =
the
past about layout of the X10 network for better reliability - but the =
bottom
line is that the X10 protocol has very simple redundancy - it sends the =
data
twice, and uses a very simple error check - but there are no two way
communications that the message has been received - it is not really =
upto
TCP kind of expectations - but hey it was conceived in the 1970's with =
the
objective of cheap receivers.
=20
I have seen occasions when the message hasn't gotten through - even in a
well designed network - I think maybe about 2 to 3% of the time. Those
things that I care about - I send the message twice a few minutes apart.
Pool pump off, 2 minutes, pool pump off. For those things I can live =
with -
garage lights off - sometimes (<2%) they just stay on until the next =
time
around to turn them off for inactivity. I have my irrigation system =
running
off of X10 with a home built module to receive the messages - once it =
gets a
turn on signal - it sets a hardware safety timer to turn off after 80
minutes unless it receives another valid X10 command - because I can't
afford a flood!
=20
If you are controlling life and death things for your fish I would do =
one of
two things:
=20
1) Equip Misterhosue with some kind of sensor to know if a pump / light  =
is
on or not - you can use other than X10 for feedback loop, or
=20
2) Use some isolated relay board, or theatrical lighting system that is
directly connected to the PC to control the vital things. (Since they =
are
all close together you really don't need to send X10 protocol to remote
places in your house).
=20
If you have others - such as lights and what not - that if they stay on
longer than programmed - and the fish just get tired because the day is =
long
- maybe X10 is ok - still I would use dual send off, or  on commands on =
top
of a reliable network.
=20
On your electrical circuit - it sounds fine - check to see if the power =
bars
have surge suppressors that can interfere. Also I would try to put the
sendor (CM11A) in the middle of the receivers - rather than at one end. =
You
could write a module that turns something on and off every 5 seconds for =
say
10 minutes - grab a beer and watch it for a missing pulse - that would =
give
you an idea of reliability - however you might need to repeat with each
hardware module. The hosue code that the module is on is irrelevant but
different modules have their detector circuits tuned not that accurately =
so
you might want to verify the important modules you need to trust.
=20
Jim Serack
=20
 Message-----
From: mis...@li...
[mailto:mis...@li...] On Behalf Of Joey
French
Sent: March 28, 2006 1:08 PM
To: mis...@li...
Subject: Re: [mh] So, tell me about the CM11A...



Okay, so on the test system at home, I am running the cm11a with one =
lm14a
and a full capacity of eleven three prong appliance modules. All of =
these
modules are on one "bank" type power strip, 48" long with 12 vertically
aligned outlets I got specifically to use the modules with. I have none =
of
the two way modules (yet) sending anything back to the cm11a. I have
entertained the notion of putting the MH box (soon to be an old headless =
hp
evectra series mini-itx running linux) on a battery back up.  Could this
configuration be made more foolproof? Maybe a noise filter on the =
"outlet
bank" strip? I am really thinking that I may try to use the cm11a to =
control
the one lm14a for the all-important % function, and use the cm17 for the
other modules (opinions?). =20
Keep in mind all of my modules are within four feet of each other, on =
the
same circuit. Maybe I could attempt to isolate this circuit in some way? =
It
seems like it will take some trial and error. Thanks again for the =
advice,
everyone. If anyone has any more experiences, good or bad, I'd love to =
hear
them.=20

Joey French