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Dana =C4=8Detvrtak 15. januar 2004. 21:25, Michal Molhanec je napisao/la:
> Michael C Urban wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I would start with the wxWindows toolkit. It's cross platform, and easi=
er
> > to learn than either the Win API or GTK. GTK also is somewhat buggy on
> > Win32 yet, and its widgets look rather out of place since it draws its
> > own widgets instead of using the native Win32 ones.
>
> GTK+ can look nearly native:
> http://gtk-wimp.sourceforge.net/
>
> > wxWindows is probably your best bet. Easier to learn than GTK. Better
> > Windows support, and more cross-platform.
>
> IMHO is GTK easier to learn than wxWin. But IMHO it makes much more
> sense to compare wxWindows to gtkmm and I think that gtkmm + glademm is
> really simple to use. glademm uses much modern C++ than wxWin

Gtk is easier, and I suggest you to try GTKmm and glademm. It is very good =
GUI=20
toolkit and it is not buggy at all.

On the other hand, you can get a window in FLTK in 5 lines of code! It is v=
ery=20
fast, tiny and ... GUI toolkit, but it is not to be used with so called=20
"mainstream windows applications" as it donot support native windows look.=
=20
eFLTK on the other hand support some way of theming, so you can try to make=
=20
it more Windowish...

wxWin is big MFC like GUI library and I donot feel confortable when using i=
t.=20
I donot know why, I simply donot like that style.

Goran

In MS code, you see "__stdcall".  After looking this up on the MSDN site, 
I'm still not sure how to "convert" code to compile on Dev-C++, rather than 
with this VC++ specific compiler directive.

I'm having a similar issue with the __declaspec(dllexport), but if I had to 
guess, I'm guessing that I have to manually create a ".DEF" file, whatever 
that is.

Thanks,

Patrick

P.S.  Thanks for all the opinions about where to start with the GUI.

JR -

> I have a problem when trying to compile one of my CPP project, always the
same, concerninig the following declaration in the concept_check.h template
file:
>
>                      #define __glibcpp_function_requires(..)
>
> The message  I have is the following :
>
>                      badly punctuated parameter list in '#define'

In my copy of the concept_check.h file, the line reads: #define
__glibcpp_function_requires(...)

Try using three dots for the ellipsis between the parentheses.

For some fun, you might also turn on some of the extra warnings available in
Dev-C++.  Project > Project Options > Parameters > C++ compiler:

-Wall
-W
-pedantic

and even

-Weffc++

Chuck

Michael C Urban wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would start with the wxWindows toolkit. It's cross platform, and easier
> to learn than either the Win API or GTK. GTK also is somewhat buggy on
> Win32 yet, and its widgets look rather out of place since it draws its own
> widgets instead of using the native Win32 ones.

GTK+ can look nearly native:
http://gtk-wimp.sourceforge.net/

> wxWindows is probably your best bet. Easier to learn than GTK. Better
> Windows support, and more cross-platform.

IMHO is GTK easier to learn than wxWin. But IMHO it makes much more 
sense to compare wxWindows to gtkmm and I think that gtkmm + glademm is 
really simple to use. glademm uses much modern C++ than wxWin

generally speaking, there isn't really good C++ GUI library, for each of 
them you can create list of disadvantages

Hi (again)

My apologize for not having written my question properly.
Here it is:

I am running version beta 8 (4.9.8.0) on NT4.0.
I am starting to study Dev-C++ cos we want to move our Visual C++ code 
to such a nice freeware IDE.

I have a problem when trying to compile one of my CPP project, always 
the same, concerninig the following declaration in the concept_check.h 
template file:

                     #define __glibcpp_function_requires(..)

The message  I have is the following :

                     badly punctuated parameter list in '#define'

Any help would be very much appreciated...

Thanks

JR

> But wxWindows is broken when the Win32 API goes away too, unless it is
> completely rewritten on the Windows platform to use the WinFX API. All


What is WinFX?


Mohammed 

Hi,

I would start with the wxWindows toolkit. It's cross platform, and easier
to learn than either the Win API or GTK. GTK also is somewhat buggy on
Win32 yet, and its widgets look rather out of place since it draws its own
widgets instead of using the native Win32 ones.

As far as the Win API, it's good to have some familarity with it, but most
people don't program with it directly anymore except for when the toolkit
can't do what they need. The main problem is that it is just too time
consuming. For example, it can literally take 100 lines of code using the
Win API to do what you can do in 10 lines of code with a toolkit like
wxWindows. Using the Win32 API directly is also more error prone.

wxWindows is probably your best bet. Easier to learn than GTK. Better
Windows support, and more cross-platform.

Mike

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, P.T. Waugh MA wrote:

> Hi,
>
> As a new programmer targeting the Windows environment, am I better off
> learning the WINAPI, wxWindows, or GTK?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Patrick
>
>
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Hello everybody !

I am starting to study Dev-C++ cos we want to move our Visual C++ code 
to such a nice freeware IDE.

I have a problem when trying to compile one of my CPP project, always 
the same, concerninig the following declaration in the concept_check.h 
template file:

                     #define __glibcpp_function_requires(..)

The message  I have is the following :

                     badly punctuated parameter list in '#define'

Any help would be very much appreciated...

Thanks

JR

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Oliver Brandt wrote:

> looking forward into the future microsoft=B4s winapi is dead. Because
> "Longhorn" has no winapi anymore. I don=B4t know what comes then
> but you have to learn a new api. So I think wxwindows is very easy
> to use, it=B4s a crossplattform toolkit and is=B4s very mature.

Well, the Win32API is depricated. But it will be around for awhile yet.
Microsoft can't just get rid of it with Longhorn because that will break
Legacy apps.

But wxWindows is broken when the Win32 API goes away too, unless it is
completely rewritten on the Windows platform to use the WinFX API. All
wxWindows does is wrap native Win32 API functions in classes and such.

>>As a new programmer targeting the Windows environment, am I better off
>>learning the WINAPI, wxWindows, or GTK?

looking forward into the future microsoft´s winapi is dead. Because
"Longhorn" has no winapi anymore. I don´t know what comes then
but you have to learn a new api. So I think wxwindows is very easy
to use, it´s a crossplattform toolkit and is´s very mature. In com-
bination with Dev-C++ you have a very powerfull environment under
windows and linux to develop cool apps. Not to forget: FOX-Toolkit!
Look here: www.fox-toolkit.org

Regards Olli

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: dev...@li...
> [mailto:dev...@li...]On Behalf Of P.T.
> Waugh MA
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 12:58 PM
> To: dev...@li...
> Subject: [Dev-C++] Offtopic: Advice on GUI to learn
>
>
> Hi,
>
> As a new programmer targeting the Windows environment, am I better off
> learning the WINAPI, wxWindows, or GTK?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Patrick
>
If you learn wxWindows you'll be able to compile programs for Windows,
Linux, and, I believe Macs from the same source code. Everything you need is
opensource and there are inexpensive tools to help, too.

Instead of limiting yourself to "Microsoft" Windows users, you'll be
expanding your potential to include Linux "Xwindows" users too. And,
possibly, helping to provide the public with OS choices. "We can't use Linux
(or Mac) because it doesn't run Patrick's "Spectacular Can't Run Our
Business Without It Software", Oh, I see it does" ;-D

Just my 1/2 cent worth; off my soap box now.

Ken Bradford
Alpha II Service, Inc.

The windows API seems a good idea. I'm a windows programmer but I've never 
touched wxWindows or GTK


>From: "P.T. Waugh MA" <pt...@ea...>
>To: dev...@li...
>Subject: [Dev-C++] Offtopic: Advice on GUI to learn
>Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:57:50 -0800
>
>Hi,
>
>As a new programmer targeting the Windows environment, am I better off 
>learning the WINAPI, wxWindows, or GTK?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Patrick
>
>
>
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Hi,

As a new programmer targeting the Windows environment, am I better off 
learning the WINAPI, wxWindows, or GTK?

Thanks,

Patrick

Maya wrote:

> of the GTKmm installation? furthermore, will Dev-C++ be aware of the 
> installation and therefore create Makefile.win[s] for GTKmm programs?

simply link it with:

-lgtkmm-2.0 -lxml2 -lgtk-win32-2.0 -lgdk-win32-2.0 -lgthread-2.0 -lgdi32 
-lole32 -luuid -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lpangowin32-1.0 -lgdi32 
-lpango-1.0 -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -lglib-2.0 -latkmm-1.0 
-lgdkmm-2.0 -lglibmm-2.0 -lpangomm-1.0 -lsigc-1.2

or if you're using glademm:

-lglademm -lgtkmm-2.0 -lglade-2.0 -lxml2 -lgtk-win32-2.0 -lgdk-win32-2.0 
-lgthread-2.0 -lgdi32 -lole32 -luuid -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 
-lpangowin32-1.0 -lgdi32 -lpango-1.0 -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 
-lglib-2.0 -latkmm-1.0 -lgdkmm-2.0 -lglibmm-2.0 -lpangomm-1.0 -lsigc-1.2

First, a pressing problems with GTK. After installing FLTK, I could 
select GUI->FLTK when opening a new project. That's not the case with 
GTK though, what can I do so that I can select a GTK+ project?
Second and most importantly, I'd like to thank you Michal for directing 
me to GTKmm for MSW, I am doing the down load as I am typing this email, 
so I have not done any reading on what is in it, thus perhaps a rather 
ignorant question, is the Dev-C++ installation of GTK+ going to be aware 
of the GTKmm installation? furthermore, will Dev-C++ be aware of the 
installation and therefore create Makefile.win[s] for GTKmm programs?

TIA

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Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone knew of a good forum to get questions and answers 
on Managed C++ questions apart from Tek-tips.com and codeproject.com . Any 
ideas?

Thanks,
Daniel

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Michael C Urban wrote:

> Personally, I would stick with Swing, because it is not subject to
> Microsoft's whims of changing the API. Why? Because only the lowest level
> functions for creating a window actually use native API calls in Swing.
> Everything else, including buttons, lists, internal frames, etc., are all
> written in Java itself, and have no interaction with the underlying
> Windows API.
> 
> That means it is going to be a lot safer when Microsoft decides to make
> the Win32 API go away. It's going to come depricated in Longhorn in favor
> of the WinFX API, which basically means the Win32 API will gradually be
> phased out of service.

that will never happen, because:
1) MS never changed behavior of an officialy published API (even WinXP 
still supports Win16 or os/2 1.0 apps)
2) there are thousands of application written for Win32 API
3) MS is not more interested in this API as they are focused on .Net GUI API
4) using SWT you are sticked to SWT API not Win32 API
5) you can use SWT/GTK+ on Win32 version if you don't want

but OK, if you think you have enough power for Swing (e.g. Pentium 
XXVIII HT 1233THz, 32423423GB RAM or something like that :-) )

Maya wrote:

> Is there a GTKmm.devpack?

not a devpak, but self-executable installer for MinGW is here:

http://www.pcpm.ucl.ac.be/~gustin/win32_ports/index.html

hi,everyone.

would you like to tell me  where i could find the code of the functions of
library?(devc++)

thx in advance.





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