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Hi,

I hate to step into this at this point, but what the heck...

First off, let me state for the record that my .NET experience is measure in
days (approx. 1 week at this point), and that although I am always open to
solid alternatives, I do find I get more done with MS products than with any
others.  (I've done the Linux/BSD/QNX thing, tried Corel/Sun (StarDivision)
and a handful of other office apps -- I've tried Borland/Metrowerks and a
veritable mountain of free/open development tools, but in the end...).

Now let me say... it's going to be a long post, but hopefully worth a read.
(If you were worried about being long-winded Mac... 8-)

(Oh! Please _reply directly_ to me.  The list doesn't need three months of
C# discourse, unless it becomes a Dev-C++ option...)


I'd like to clarify a few things at this point... I'll give you my read, you
tell me if I'm right/wrong/or just have a differing opinion.

First... enough of this real language crap.  I've been working developing
business-oriented systems for the past 3 years, and I've found VB6 does what
I need to get things done.  It's not considered a "real" language, but it
gets results, and it runs in plenty of real-time, round the clock (even
mission critical) venues.  Want to see some hardcore, top-notch VB
programmers, stop by VISBAS-L/VISBAS-BEGINNERS on peach.ease.lsoft.com.
You'd be surprised what you can do with any language if you take the time to
figure out what you should be doing, and how it can best be done in that
language...

Next, the whole C# syntax.  Yeah, it looks like Java (it also looks like C,
and it's got a hint of Delphi... as I understand it, the lead language
designer was a Delphi designer at Borland before joining MS...).  The point
here, is does it have what is needed to be a useful programming language?

Well, it's got all the standards.  There are decision structures (including
a switch statement, that doesn't require goto, though it's used as to
illustrate what MS are referring to as a jump-statement in the SDK docs...
_break is there_, same as it is in C... if you don't use it, you'll drop
through... same as C/C++/etc.).  There are loop structures.  You can declare
functions (and classes --- with easy property (set/get) function setup).
You can declare variables in a rainbow of types.  There are trendy, and
useful things like namespaces, and self-generating documentation too...
It's a modern programming language folks.  It's really not that ugly, or
tough when it comes right down to it.  It even protects you from mucking
around in memory (pointers are powerful, but dangerous...).  However, if you
really want unmanaged stuff... apparently it's there.

For those worried about platform independence... well, great thing is this.
Write your code in C#, and you can integrate with anybody writting in any
other .NET language (loads of 'em thus far as I understand it... even COBOL
if you like... <shudder>).  According to the Mono project, you can currently
use Mono on Linux, Windows and Solaris.  Even MS were going to port .NET to
FreeBSD if I recall properly...

As to what can be done with C#... well, I'm taking a leap of faith here and
saying you probably can't write drivers with it (or an OS)... at least not
exceedingly easily.  However, compilers... sure.  Will they produce native
executables?  If you like... an executable is just a chunk of binary data
with a specific format, like a lot of other data formats.  There are
variations (ELF, COFF, etc.), right.  If you know the spec., and had the
desire, you could right something to generate an EXE.

Finally, regarding APIs, and virtual machines, etc.  No, none of these are
particularly new.  Does it matter.  OOP has been around since SmallTalk
(late 70s, early 80s)... is it cool today?  Why?  (hint... it's useful).
Besides, if MS decided not to do any of this stuff... they'd be blasted for
being out of touch with what reality; if they change things too radically...
it's too much change.  Why do you think VB programmers were ticked with MS
over VB.NET? (which was tweaked to avoid some unpleasant breaks in
compatibility)  If you wanted something completely different (and
innovative) you'd have something filling a niche (like Lisp).

MS are out to make money (aren't you?), and they do that by offering a
quick, easy tools to folks who have to go out into world and use those tools
to meet the ill-defined nature of turning human behaviour into solid
partially (or fully) automated systems.  It's not about the code, it's about
the people who use it (programmers and _especially_ end users).  I still
program for fun, but not when somebody is paying me to protect their
livelihood.  (It's one of the things I didn't think about on the road to
becoming a programmer, but it's something I strive to keep in mind every
waking moment now!)

Simply put... Easier language = more time to figure out how people work (and
translate that into "their" software... as opposed to producing something
and then telling people how they have to behave to use "my" software).

So, I've said my piece and I'm feeling better about it.

How are you after having read it? 8-)

Wait!!!  Before you answer that... respond to me directly (see below for my
email).  This is a Dev-C++ mailing list!  I'll respond as best I can (I
expect to be out of the loop in the next little while... becoming a father,
and all that jazz...).

On a side note (or to bring things back to around to Dev-C++).

Why not make the IDE more generic?

Should just be project files that are somewhat proprietary.  Syntax
colouring is available for a ton of languages these days... There would have
to be a way to plug in the languages (to keep things simple), or maybe just
default to MinGW C++, and allow the user to specify the compiler/make
tool/etc.  (Already done in part, I'm using Dev-C++ on my own installation
of MinGW... not the one bundled with 5... works like a charm.)

In fairness... I know.  It comes down to time, and energy.  So, maybe a
vision for the future (haven't checked the Dev-C++ page in awhile, it could
be, and very likely is, that this is, in at least some degree, mentioned
there.  I've even heard you can find out how to unsubscribe from the mailing
list somewhere there too! 8-)

Take 'er easy folks.  I look forward to hearing from you.

---
Matthew Hickson
mhickson AT sympatico DOT ca  (you know what to do)

In the previous message I said copy and paste don't work in resource
editor, they work, which does not work is replace.
Sorry for the mistake.

As mentioned in an answer, in the resource editor copy and paste doesn't
work, and it should.

Daniel Glenfield escribi=F3:

> This is while your program is running yes? This is normal behaviour - y=
ou've
> got to use the debugging mode to review the code while the program is i=
n
> action.

This is not my case, when I am running it I can see Dev. A couple of time=
s I got
frightened because I did not close the application and it did not compile=
, just
because it was running and the app could not be modified.

>
>
> >From: Adam Vardy <an...@ro...>
> >Reply-To: Adam Vardy <an...@ro...>
> >To: dev...@li...
> >Subject: [Dev-C++] Can't review code
> >Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:12:27 -0230
> >
> >When I hit execute, program runs. And when I click on Dev C++ in the
> >taskbar, it refuses to appear. What can I do about that?
> >
> >
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In the resource the archives like hand.cur, or icon.ico are typed
folder/file, and Dev does not find it, since it is a folder out of the
folders it searches, you must substitute folder/ with the full path to th=
e
file. In my failed trials first appears this error I solve that way, that=
's
the problem.
[Then come the linker errors! (Posted some days ago)]
If after this the program compiles rigth, tell me, I want know if I try
something more or delete wxwindows.

This remembers me that in the resource editor you cannot copy and paste,
something that shall be implemented.

I suspect my problems with wxwindows are due to a bad building of it, I m=
iss
somethig. I make -f makefile.g95 in wx/msw, then it seems to compile
everything, when I try other makefiles (for other parts, libararies of pn=
g,
tiff, etc) it says there is nothing to do. Can you e-mail me a short
description of how did you build it?

Flavio de Souza escribi=F3:

> I am trying to compile a wxWindows program with Dev-Cpp and I get the
> following error:
>
> [Resource Error] can't open cursor file `hand.cur': No such file or
> directory
>
>   C:\Dev-C++_b\mysource\wxWindows\joytest\Makefile.win
> [Build Error]  [WxWindows Project.res] Error 1
>
> This error happens when I try to compile wxWindows programs that use
> resource files.
>
> My resource file is the following:
>
> aaaa                    ICON    "mondrian.ico"
> joyicon                 ICON    "mondrian.ico"
>
> #include "wx/msw/wx.rc"
>
> I look for the file `hand.cur' and it exists in the wx.rc folder. So wh=
y
> do I get this error?
>
> When I do not use resource files I can compile wxWindows normally.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> tks,
>
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There is no problem. There is a project under linux to
compile c#. It's name is mono and is places at
www.go-mono.org

Like everything in linux world, a great effort is done
trought many, many people over internet.

So the problem now is make any adjustment to devc for
use the new compiler.

C# is easy, c++ is better.

--- Bob Wilson <bo...@ph...> wrote:
> Teodorescu,
> 
> > Is anyone interested to port  c# on dev-c++??
> 
> While that might be an interesting project, it would
> pose some problems, not
> so much for dev-c++ but for the mingw compiler.
> C#.NET does not compile to
> native code and the .NET framework requires an
> intermediate code which the
> mingw compiler does not produce. The compiler would
> have to be redesigned to
> accomplish one of two things. Either it would have
> to produce the .NET
> intermediate code or it would have to parse and
> compile C# code and pass it
> to the linker to produce executable files. Both
> approaches, while they might
> be very interesting exercises, they would require a
> tremendous amount of
> time and intellectual effort.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Bob Wilson
> 
> This has been cross posted to the mingw news group.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Teodorescu,

> Is anyone interested to port  c# on dev-c++??

While that might be an interesting project, it would pose some problems, not
so much for dev-c++ but for the mingw compiler. C#.NET does not compile to
native code and the .NET framework requires an intermediate code which the
mingw compiler does not produce. The compiler would have to be redesigned to
accomplish one of two things. Either it would have to produce the .NET
intermediate code or it would have to parse and compile C# code and pass it
to the linker to produce executable files. Both approaches, while they might
be very interesting exercises, they would require a tremendous amount of
time and intellectual effort.

Regards,

Bob Wilson

This has been cross posted to the mingw news group.

Adam,

> I have C++ .Net.  It is real complicated, couldn't figure it out. So I got
Dev C++.

If you are having trouble with the IDE, you might consider "Beginning Visual
C++ 6" by Ivar Horton. The entire book uses VC++ 6.0 and it greatly
simplifies the Visual Studio learning curve. Admittedly, C++ .NET, or Visual
C++ 7.0 if you prefer, is a little bit different, but the differences are
not that great in terms of the user interface. The book lists for $49.00,
but you can get it for much less. Amazon.com lists the book for 34.99 new
and 29.99 used. You might find it at your local library, but I doubt it.

Regards,

Bob Wilson

Hi,
I would like to use a control in my win32 app written in C++ using ONLY
win32 API (i.e. not MFC) that lets me write text in different fonts or
colours to the screen, but is read only, i.e. is for output only, not input.

Before implementing the functionality of this control, i had made it a
simple edit control, because the simple edit control for my input window is
working fine, but it seems this will not work for output as edit controls
set their text all at once (i need to be able to send text to the control as
i need to, and have it appended) and edit controls cannot take text of more
than one font.

the next thing i thought of is to use the TextOut function, but i fear this
will not be very easy, and may not be a complete solution, because i'll need
the text to be scrollable after there is too much of it, and it needs to
word wrap to the size the user makes the window.

what i have been looking at tonight is the richedit control, which may do
the job, but i cannot find any information about how to use it using win32
api calls in c++. is richedit the way to go? if so, how do i use it? can i
create one using CreateWindowEx and send it messages using SendMessage or
specialised functions?

this is what i would like:
HWND hOutput = CreateWindowEx(special edit control thingy details);
HFONT hFont = CreateFont(... whatever)
SendTextorSimilar(hOutput,hFont,char* text,etc...);
GetTextorSimilar(hOutput,&text,etc...);

something along those lines. is there a control for me? is there
documentation? by control, obviously i mean a window which is going to be a
child window of my app. also, all the functionality of the control has to be
already written up so i can just call the functions, so does this mean it
has to be a common control (i don't know how many of these there are)? my
biggest fear right now is that there is no common rich text control (like
there is no splitter control) and i'll have to write something myself like i
wrote my splitter bar window, but it won't be so easy.

so, anyone know how to use richedit in win32 api?
thanks
ramana
p.s. i will probably not reply to (nor receive) any replies to this message
for the next 14 days or so, because i'm going away so, yeah, (if anyone is
interested lol)

I think I'd rather write a function, even a one-liner and call it than 
use GOTO.

Rob
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original message:
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Teodorescu Cristian wrote:

Ioannis Vranos wrote:



<snip />



Bad and good
Bad becuse they called goto.
Good beacuse it help you to define a way a good one in a switch 
sometimes i have to write smth like
switch (x){
     case 1 : code_1 ;break
     case 2 :    code_2 ;break
     case 3 :         code3+code 1:break
     case 4 :       code 4+code 2:break
     default : break;
};
so in C# :
switch (x){
     case 1 :code_1;
     case 2 : code_2;
     case 3 : code 3 goto 1;
     case 4 : code_4 goto 2;
};
more simple [:-)]


It was something like:

switch(x)
{
case 1:
            x=2;
            goto 3;
  case 3:
           y=4;
    case 5:            z=6;

  default: // something

}


As i said something *like* that.


So if you want to do the same job for some range of values you have to
use gotos!

e.g. in C++ you would do:

switch(x)
{
  case 1:
  case 2:
   case 3:
          cout<<"Get lost loser!\n";
          break;
// ...
}


in C# you have to do sonething like:

switch(x)
{
  case 1: goto case 3;
  case 2: goto case 3;
  case 3: something_java_like.writeconsole_something("Get lost
loser!\n");
// ...
}


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: dev...@li... 
> [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf 
> Of Santiago Palmier Campos
> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 1:44 PM
> To: dev...@li...
> Subject: RE: [Dev-C++] C#
> 
> 
> Hi Mr. Cristian,
> 
> I'm not sure if this is the best solution for your 'problem', 
> but.. what
> about this code?
> 
> switch (x){
>     case 3 :         
> 	  code3;
> 	  // NO break!!!
>     case 1 : 
> 	  code_1;
> 	  break;
>     case 4 :       
> 	  code 4;
> 	  // NO break!!!
>     case 2 :
> 	  code_2;
> 	  break ;
>     default: 
> 	  default_code;
> 	  break; 
> }
> 
> Just my 2 cents,
> Santy
> 
> BTW, using inline functions is at least as good solution as 
> this or even
> better, thanx Ioannis for pointing it out!! ;o)



Yes, your solution is the best. I just got confused by all those gotos
even in C# simulation mode. A sign of what will happen to me when i will
start using MS languages. :)



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On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 12:30, Ioannis Vranos wrote:
> 
> You know Hongli, i think this will make you somehow happy. C#
> competitor, Borland's Charlotte has Delphi/Pascal like syntax.
> 
> If i recall correctly it is something like:
> 
> 
> somefunc(x as some_.net_type):some_.net_type
> begin
> 
> 
> end
> 
> 
> I hate in my guts this syntax, but i know it will make you happy.
> 

I don't know, the namespace.type thing seems stupid to me.

But I'm more worried about wether .NET will stay an open standard. It IS
created by MS, so nobody knows for sure...

STRICT, like WIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN tells the compiler (or maybe windows) to 
set a load of variables and the environment before beginning the program 
properly. Rather than you writing loads of code the STRICT macro will do it 
in one go.

i think it is just #define STRICT


>From: "Napoleon Ahiable" <nah...@so...>
>To: <dev...@li...>
>Subject: [Dev-C++] Defining STRICT in Dev-C++
>Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:50:12 +0100
>
>Hello,
>
>To be able to compile a win32 API program, It is recommended that I define 
>STRICT. Can someone explain what STRICT does and how to define it. Is it 
>just adding a Line like
>
>#Define STRICT ?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Napo.
>
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Hello,

To be able to compile a win32 API program, It is recommended that I =
define STRICT. Can someone explain what STRICT does and how to define =
it. Is it just adding a Line like=20

#Define STRICT ?

Thanks.

Napo.


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Hi Mr. Cristian,

I'm not sure if this is the best solution for your 'problem', but.. what
about this code?

switch (x){
    case 3 :         
	  code3;
	  // NO break!!!
    case 1 : 
	  code_1;
	  break;
    case 4 :       
	  code 4;
	  // NO break!!!
    case 2 :
	  code_2;
	  break ;
    default: 
	  default_code;
	  break; 
}

Just my 2 cents,
Santy

BTW, using inline functions is at least as good solution as this or even
better, thanx Ioannis for pointing it out!! ;o)


-----Original Message-----
From: Ioannis Vranos [mailto:no...@ho...] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 12:25 PM
To: dev...@li...
Subject: RE: [Dev-C++] C#


-----Original Message-----
From: dev...@li...
[mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Teodorescu
Cristian
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:32 AM
To: dev...@li...
Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] C#


  
Bad and good 
Bad becuse they called goto.
Good beacuse it help you to define a way a good one in a switch sometimes i
have to write smth like 
switch (x){
    case 1 : code_1 ;break 
    case 2 :    code_2 ;break 
    case 3 :         code3+code 1:break 
    case 4 :       code 4+code 2:break
    default : break; 
};
so in C# : 
switch (x){
    case 1 :code_1;
    case 2 : code_2;
    case 3 : code 3 goto 1;
    case 4 : code_4 goto 2;
};
more simple :-) 



Perhaps a bad design issue? My first solution to this is to make small
inlining functions for code1 & code2.



Ioannis

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: dev...@li... 
> [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf 
> Of Hongli Lai
> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 12:16 PM
> To: Teodorescu Cristian
> Cc: dev...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] C#
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 09:33, Teodorescu Cristian wrote:
> > Hongli Lai wrote:
> > >Microsoft doesn't innovate, they just take old technologies, put a
> > >marketing campaigne around it, and claim that it's theirs.
> > >  
> > >
> >     fasle .net is not an old tech.
> > 
> 
> "XML web services"? XML has been around for a while now. And so have
> "web services". .NET runtime, virtual machine, or whatever 
> remind me *a
> lot* of Java. Write one interface and be able to use it in every
> language? Can't you do that with CORBA too?


It is the concept of Java, improved in many concepts. And if you hate a
bit ms, you can think of it as the java concept, "embraced and
extended", which was ms internal slogan before the court.



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> -----Original Message-----
> From: dev...@li... 
> [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf 
> Of Hongli Lai
> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 12:17 PM
> To: Teodorescu Cristian
> Cc: dev...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] dev -c# ???
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 09:43, Teodorescu Cristian wrote:
> > Is anyone interested to port  c# on dev-c++??
> > 
> 
> We didn't write the compiler, only the IDE.
> And unless Mono gets ported to Win32, I don't think we'll ever support
> C#.


You know Hongli, i think this will make you somehow happy. C#
competitor, Borland's Charlotte has Delphi/Pascal like syntax.

If i recall correctly it is something like:


somefunc(x as some_.net_type):some_.net_type
begin


end


I hate in my guts this syntax, but i know it will make you happy.



Ioannis

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Eheheheh. :)  Perhaps to write a C# to C++ convertor? I am sure someone
will do at least this someday.



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> -----Original Message-----
> From: dev...@li... 
> [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf 
> Of Teodorescu Cristian
> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:43 AM
> To: dev...@li...
> Subject: [Dev-C++] dev -c# ???
> 
> 
> Is anyone interested to port  c# on dev-c++??
> 
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-----Original Message-----
From: dev...@li...
[mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf Of
Teodorescu Cristian
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:32 AM
To: dev...@li...
Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] C#



  

Bad and good 
Bad becuse they called goto.
Good beacuse it help you to define a way a good one in a switch
sometimes i have to write smth like 
switch (x){
    case 1 : code_1 ;break 
    case 2 :    code_2 ;break 
    case 3 :         code3+code 1:break 
    case 4 :       code 4+code 2:break
    default : break; 
};
so in C# : 
switch (x){
    case 1 :code_1;
    case 2 : code_2;
    case 3 : code 3 goto 1;
    case 4 : code_4 goto 2;
};
more simple :-) 
 
 

 
Perhaps a bad design issue? My first solution to this is to make small
inlining functions for code1 & code2.
 
 

Ioannis

* Ioannis Vranos
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i was aware that there is information available on the internet, however, it
was more practical for me to ask my specific questions in the mailing list
and information from microsoft's web site will be steered more towards
promotion of C# rather than helping me decide whether i should learn it and
how it compares, realistically, to C++.
thanks for the sdk site though :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Zodiaq [mailto:zo...@ac...]
Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2002 7:36 PM
To: Ramana Kumar
Subject: Re[2]: [Dev-C++] C#


Hello Ramana and all Dev-C++ users,

Tuesday, July 2, 2002, 9:42:46 AM, Ramana wrote as follows:

RK> THANKYOU so very much to Ioannis and his many posts demonstrating his
much
RK> appreciated wealth of knowledge.
RK> Well, I have now concluded that I will stick with c++ and not bother
with
RK> c#, although i will consider getting some info about the .NET API, as I
am
RK> currently using the Win32 API and am finding all the reference for this
in a
RK> dated .hlp file (but it works, so hey :))

I wander why you do this... don't you know that you can get full
platform sdk form online microsoft services? In platform sdk you have
EVERYTHING - documentation, samples... just visit this link and
download apropriate SDKs...
http://www.microsoft.com/msdownload/platformsdk/sdkupdate/
or get from somewhere MSDN... good place to start is eDonkey...


RK> I might even switch to .NET for
RK> this thing i'm writing, but it won't have to be platform-independant
RK> but anyway, you people are probably not interested
RK> thanks again
RK> ramana


--
regards, Zodiaq

----- Original Message -----=20


Microsoft doesn't innovate, they just take old technologies, put a
marketing campaigne around it, and claim that it's theirs.
 =20
      fasle .net is not an old tech.

=20
You're wrong, .Net is just a VM like java, with nothing new as JavaVM=20
isn't limited to be used with Java (more than 100 different languages/
compilers use it). A big API with classes for doing everything you need
isn't a new thing too, Java already had it, and before Java other =
platforms
got it too, If you call "new tech" the fact that you can use the API =
from=20
different languages, there're lots of precedents too. Finally, the =
famous=20
(and now rooted to death) Hailstorm autentification service is not a new =
thing,
Kerberos could have done the same, and it has existed for years. I think =
Hongli
Lai is right, Microsoft doesn't innovate, just puts a big marketing =
campaing with=20
too much hype so it feels it's a new thing they're doing (like the 3d =
desktop for
longhorn, when there was a running one for XWindows for years) but =
without any
supporting fact behind. They don't innovate, just copy what has been =
done before.
If you look at GUI evolution you'll see that their only REAL innovation =
(and I guess=20
I've not searched enough to find a precedent) was the taskbar (a minor =
tweak of Apple's
task drop down menu) everything else already existed. C# has some good =
things (namespace=20
being one of them), but big drawbacks (it doesn't exist a good non =
propietary implementation=20
yet as momo still has to grow).
=20
My 2cents
=20

On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 09:43, Teodorescu Cristian wrote:
> Is anyone interested to port  c# on dev-c++??
> 

We didn't write the compiler, only the IDE.
And unless Mono gets ported to Win32, I don't think we'll ever support
C#.

On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 09:33, Teodorescu Cristian wrote:
> Hongli Lai wrote:
> >Microsoft doesn't innovate, they just take old technologies, put a
> >marketing campaigne around it, and claim that it's theirs.
> >  
> >
>     fasle .net is not an old tech.
> 

"XML web services"? XML has been around for a while now. And so have
"web services". .NET runtime, virtual machine, or whatever remind me *a
lot* of Java. Write one interface and be able to use it in every
language? Can't you do that with CORBA too?

THANKYOU so very much to Ioannis and his many posts demonstrating his much
appreciated wealth of knowledge.
Well, I have now concluded that I will stick with c++ and not bother with
c#, although i will consider getting some info about the .NET API, as I am
currently using the Win32 API and am finding all the reference for this in a
dated .hlp file (but it works, so hey :)) I might even switch to .NET for
this thing i'm writing, but it won't have to be platform-independant
but anyway, you people are probably not interested
thanks again
ramana

-----Original Message-----
From: dev...@li...
[mailto:dev...@li...]On Behalf Of Ioannis
Vranos
Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2002 2:34 AM
To: dev...@li...
Subject: RE: [Dev-C++] C#


> -----Original Message-----
> From: dev...@li...
> [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf
> Of Daniel Glenfield
> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 3:09 PM
> To: ra...@my...; dev...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] C#
>
>
> I'd be interested too if anyone can give a good definition of C#.

C# is a C-style language (at least advertised as such) which permits to
do the basic programming stuff (which is not a bad thing), like VB.


>
> I know that you have greater control over memory management
> than in C++,
> that's about it.


And not only of memory management, and also you do not need garbage
collection with C++. Also in C++ it is better to avoid explicit memory
management and use standard library containers instead.



Ioannis

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